Narcissists can't admit being wrong, but have no problem blaming you for everything that goes wrong.

"Manipulation is when they blame you for your reaction to their toxic behaviours, but never will discuss their disrespect that triggered you." -Unknown

The funny part in all this is that they often label other people they abuse as fragile and overly sensitive 😂

‘They will repeat their mistakes to the grave’. True words!

The greatest sadness is they have the power of manipulation. They get away with it because they exhaust everyone else. The only reason they have any relationships is due to manipulating someone. 😢😢😢

"One thing about narcissists is they are extraordinarily predictable." This is gold . 💛 Thank you.

They feel intense shame and take it way too far to hide it. They are ‘never wrong’ in order to keep the facade going. They must portray a higher position to feel in control. You better not do better than they are in anything, or else. 🔨🔨🔨

Its almost magical that the content like this is available for us for free. Thank You.

I like the eject and parachute analogy. I shall remember that one. It's pointless talking to them about anything. They do not care how you feel or think. They're right you're wrong in their heads, there is no nuance. Once you wake up, you cannot unsee it and they won't change. There is no relationship, there never was because they cannot connect unless it's on their terms. You might spend decades in confusion slowly disintegrating and loosing yourself before something breaks the spell and you finally see they don't care about you and they never did. They rationalise everything they do and you're the bad person. Paranoid and defensive and they'll throw you under the bus every time to save themselves.

Even if you had video of what they did, they would still deny it! Don’t let them make you unsettled!

If someone else admits a mistake, they jump on it. They think it shows weakness. Like a predator waiting for the opening to destroy you. And-“everyone is out to get me”-yes! And, they are always out to get others too. Works both ways.

The main issue I’ve seen with narcissists is how inferior they perceive you to themselves. If you can relate to a HOW DARE YOU type of anger when you stand up for yourself, that’s really a telltale sign to me.

As s a non-fragile person, it's kind of shocking to see an abuser act damaged, after physically injuring you to the point of disability.

It's always someone else's fault!

Pushing away responsibility for their wrongdoings! This is the bomb that obliterates the relationship. It reeks of putridity.

Narc mother in law taught her narc son that he can do whatever he wants to whoever he wants whenever he wants. No one told me this 33 years ago! 😩

Their lies are far too shameful towards humanity....it goes above and beyond humane, its as cruel as it gets

“Fragility”. I feel like it always come back to complex trauma in childhood.

My husband’s ex wife is a typical narcissist. They have children and so he has to keep interacting with her. It’s a nightmare. We have decided to do everything in writing with her in terms of the kids so that we keep a proof of everything that has been decided. But even then, she doesn’t “see”/admit the gaslighting, the misinformation she gave earlier, her change of decision etc. And she accuses us of exactly what she does. It’s awful to experience that on daily basis.

Whatever they say you did is more likely something they did wrong.

The Narcissist DOES NOT HAVE a wrong bone in their body. Thanks for this highly educational presentation and then some!

When I admitted fault with my narc sister she added to it..." And you're this and you're that!"

They will not allow for talking anything out or make peace if it involves exposing why and what the reason is they are blaming you for the relationship division. 😢

Dr. Winch was a very good guest, Dr. C. He was very direct and no nonsense. You pick interesting experts.

After a particularly epic fit of narcissistic rage, my father would often say, "That wasn't me who did that. It was someone else." Similarly, my ex-husband (also a narc of course) would verbally or physically assault me in the evening, never apologize, and go to bed in a huff. The next morning he behaved as if nothing had happened. The denial is unbelievable.

What a relief that i am not a narcissist,isnt it a good feeling to be able to say " I am sorry if i hurt you " ,if we were wrong,being a human with feelings towards humankind is wonderful 😊

No matter how logical a person talks, any narc in relation with that person will always find a reason for objection by blaming her/him.

In their delusional reality, "admission" is a sign of weakness. And bullying/blameshifting you into taking ownership for their wrongdoings = a power dynamic shift for lifetime a supply of future devaluation in any narrative they choose. Taking responsibility of something they did wrong is the holy grail of supply.

Though retired now, I used to marvel at decision-makers at the many places I worked through the years who could not admit they made mistakes. That meant mistakes never got corrected. I watched a lot of businesses crash and burn. I never had a problem saying, "I made a mistake, and here's how I'm going to fix it."

I'm in the middle of all this. It's awful. God is with me keeping me safe from my narc bully.

reparenting the inner child means learning to love, nurture, and protect the part of the brain that carries unhealed childhood pain

The Double Whammy is that they do not like being wrong/ making errors, yet their way of approach things often induces these exact errors... NB: Then a scapegoat needs to be found - not them ! Even when they were warned beforehand not to make these errors (brushed aside and waved away at that point), and they knowingly + informedly proceeded down the wrong path, in the end it is still someone elses fault, obviously.... So, in a a step by step timeline : 1) You see the problem coming (even if they dont), which is stress inducing for you 2) You try to have a normal factual conversation with them, about avoiding the problems heading your way, which inevitably turns into a Great Argument (They yell, try to make you look ridiculous, or smear if other people are involved etc.), all of which is stress inducing for you 3) You have to deal with lingering resentment that you dared to have the Conversation with them in the first place which even vaguely suggested that there might have been something wrong with their approach, or they overlooked something, or the timing was not realistic, or they are not the experts on everything involved , all of which of course is a Sacriledge that Cannot Be Forgotten. The constant lingering resentment afterwards is stress inducing for you. 4) ... You see the problems playing out in real life (as announced), with things going wrong/ breaking down. This is of course, inevitably very stressing to be in the middle of. 5) Then the narc panics, and needs immediate damage control : Someone has to manage the stress of this situation (their project is not doing good, and people are watching) + needs to technically fix the issue itself. ... Oh, but they cannot do this themselves (they cannot handle the stress + cannot fix the issue) .. So you end up with a stressed narc who yells + insults others to alleviate his own stress + tries you to work overtime in a bad situation under stress to rectify the issue. Again, all of this is stressinducing for you. 6) If this is not going fast enough/ not possible to fix completely, you get an OD of 5) see above 7) ... And even after things get resolved, now a scapegoat needs to be found.... Guess who will have to take the blame ? UGH So you end up: Constantly stressed, yelled at, and impossible to get some credit even if you worked double shifts under difficult situations. EVEN IF YOU DID A GOOD JOB Typical at work: Narcs do not like the Prep stage of projects : You have to figure out technical stuff, work alone (hunched over things to test/ read up on etc + With no chances to have meetings where you can Sit At The Head of the Table ! No Great Things to Communicate about Progress etc. ) They want to skip over this stage, or short circuit it. And then they start a project, unprepared, with parts missing, unrealistic expectations, .... LEt The Games Begin *

Our narcissistic actually remembers events to fit his narrative. He retells a story in a way that put him in control or totally absolves himself from wrongdoing…I think he truly believes the retelling and has an ‘amnesia’ like episode, where he can rewrite history to match his ego.

My narc husband will never admit fault in anything. He will, in fact, blame me for his fault because of some action, behavior, or confrontation of holding him accountable to his actions that made him do it. If I would just be a mindless doormat that he could walk over we wouldn’t have any problems at all, after all, I’m the one causing all the problems by confronting him, right?

The hardest thing for a person with Narc tendencies to overcome is the feeling of. . . SHAME. The is NO "middle ground." There is NO "balance" in their minds (and mostly likely in their Hearts). Everything is very "Black or White" with NOTHING in between. Thanks for this video, Les! (BTW - to me. . . "Les IS More!" Thank you.

"How can you minimize the damage done to you?" Yes. That's THE question. Expectations ARE the rub. Having no expectations is the sweet spot!

Narcissists remain squarely in their (Self- proclaimed) Superior position even when faced with empirical evidence they are flawed. Don't climb that mountain of shame with them. Remember the movie " The Blob " - don't get any on ya!!

The person I'm dealing with says I'm sorry I was wrong but im not going to stop

I have spent a lifetime of watching certain narcissists “reframe” things so that they are not wrong, so they are the “hero”. I feel this is a kind of blame shifting. Catherine Austin Fitts calls this the story of “I am good” that every person wants to believe.

So, when someone blames or accuses you of something they did, and you appeal to them to be honest, or explain that you did not do it, then you injure their ego, and they feel like a victim and that you are the cruel perpetrator. "They don't perceive themselves as dishonest. They perceive themselves as victimised." Thank you both for explaining this trouble which is so baffling to the person who understands the healing power of taking responsibility for oneself, honest apologies and gracious forgiveness.

I told a narcissist...that he forgot our conversation...being older, was worried..needless to say. I was the brunt of every bad word he could think of....🤔

Love you Dr Guy Winch! I love your direct, blunt and no BS answers. Certainly enhanced my understanding of what is Narcissism all about one and how to deal with one. Thank you Dr C for bringing him on!

I've often admitted I am wrong, just to keep the peace. And then they hammered me more.

The narcissist's ego is a sense of superiority which is an insecure place because it doesn't really exist.

Dr. C - I have an idea for a video if you understand it...something about how narcissists' lack of empathy and delusionality lead them to making wrong assumptions and erroneous judgments. projection probably also plays a huge role, as with everything they do. and say.

Narcissists are full of jealousy. Jealousy, the fear of not being perfect. Their subconscious has been hijacked by a overbearing selfish parent whom has the trap of expectation deeply embedded into an innocent soul (thank you Nicholeen Peck for understanding the trap). Brilliant lady and I wonder what she thinks of narcissists? Parents represent society when a child grows up. Thanks for your guest.

Many GREAT POINTS HERE. The number 1 favorite of mine is that YES - ALL NARCS ARE USING THE SAME BLUEPRINT for their lives of REPEATED destruction. There are variables, but all survivors of NARC abuse all have VERY similar stories. THANK YOU both for your expert exposition.

Bara Schmidt asked a good question. Do narcissists know their true selves? I've wondered this. Or, do they believe the delusion they present to the world?

This is spot on my girlfriend! She was worse, 8 years later she has begun to admit a little give on issues. It's been hell. The irrationality is over the top. I have reached a whole new level of tolerance. If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger. I am strong now and she knows it, and hates it!

It’s tragic I’ll be 59 and finally walked from Toxic family members, I’m almost ashamed that I was so manipulated to engage. I am proud now that I have finally realized the best reaction is no reaction but the grief was hard. Having to come to realize what I wanted for my family was merely a fantasy.

I am always told to APOLOGISE

When you get frustrated you’re accused of being erratic and argumentative 😂 it’s so piece full in my home again it’s been 2 months and I certainly don’t miss all that drama,, I still have vile emails from him but I don’t have to answer him anymore 🙌🏼

The root cause is low self-esteem, insecurity and low self confidence. All because they never felt loved by their mother.

In the mother of all projections, my narc accused me of being incapable of self-reflection. I almost died of derisive laughter. I think a lot of narcissists in their arrested mental development are trying to right the wrong inflicted upon them in childhood by their parents/caregivers by feeling entitled to unconditional love and acceptance. They idealise us as the perfect parent they wish they had, whose love for them would be unyielding no matter how they behaved. When we fail to live up to this expectation, narcissistic injury occurs, we become devalued and they now view us as a representation of their offending parent who they have secret desires of vanquishing to symbolically eradicate their shame.

I think everydody can be fun and loving until challenged. What makes us human is the capability of being loving or at least understanding and reasonable against all odds. Narcissists are not capable of that. Very sad. But if I want a stable, loving and fun relationship, I would rather choose my pup over a narc. Thank you for this meaningful conversation, gentlemen.

I can’t help but delight in the way Dr. C made Dr. W laugh.❤

You can keep it to the fun times IF you are not living with them or in an intimate relationship. But…something not mentioned here is that when supply feels low for them in their daily activities (work or whatever) they will come home and seek conflict so that they can receive the supply their looking for through your disregulation. Also, you will NEVER address an issue without it becoming traumatic emotionally for you. The argument (that you checked out of within the first 20 minutes accepting that it wasn’t going to get resolved as usual) will last the duration of the day you’re in and the next day until they break you down and you allow “reconciliation” without an actual resolution. This is a pattern that repeats itself over and over. Often the same fights same arguments because of course they never actually get resolved in the first place. It’s hell basically.

They always hold us to a standard that means nothing to them and their actions. What do we do when they claim to hold things against you but will not tell us what we did?

I had a friend come to me quite aggressively with accusations of unsolicited advice. I had suggested a movie to her. I was taken aback by the aggression and anger and tried to tell her I meant nothing by the movie suggestion. Then, when I texted her the next day telling her that I didn’t appreciate being spoken to that way and asked on how we could agree on how to treat each other moving forward, she completely blew up. I had no problem for apologizing for hurting her feelings and wanted to understand why she was reacting in such an awful way.

I have degree in chemistry, in chemistry to make chemical bond energy is needed, to break a bond energy is needed. Trauma bonds in order to be broken need interventional energy this where a therapist comes in, needs to be done professionally.

This conversation was fascinating to watch! I learned so much. My narcissistic mother would NEVER admit she was wrong about anything. Yet her favorite line was "I'm the first one to admit when I'm wrong" Yes, very easy to say when you never think you're wrong!

She told me she's never wrong in a cute joking way, in the honeymoon phase. I didn't believe she was serious. I was very wrong.

For the record- just keep successfully running your own race to win ( for yourself) and understand that an imbalance of power ( weighted against you) made it virtually impossible to stay 😅in the relationship

Comments are correct on every level. I have a ex girlfriend who I know now that she is a narcissist. She uses the legal system to try to harass me with accusations for her benefit. It costs me over $50k in legal fees to defend myself. In court next week to defend something that has been already ruled to be decided in my favor. This is the first time we went on offense against her. Hoping for jail time for her with restrictions and sanctions that stick for her. It’s a bloody nightmare. Nine years dealing with this crap and all the lies from her.

I was around such immature toxic adults when I was younger and even still. But I can't even think about them anymore because it's just too painful. Some of the people are so selfish that it's like torment and it like a chore to be around them I still can't see how some people like people like that it seems that the society props up the most toxic people and people while the empaths are hurt more.

Trying to get a narcissist to see they are wrong the argument can go on forever. It is not a hill worth dying on.. .

For a narcissist to admit that they were actully wrong about something would be to admit they have failings or are imperfect, and that is so anathema to their psyche as to be totally unacceptable. A narcissist believes they are perfect and without flaws, it is everyone else who is wrong and the sooner that other people realize this, the better their world will be.

Thank you Dr. Ramani for giving us the space to feel, what we feel - when forgiveness feels almost impossible when the narcs have no remorse, or guilt over how they abused us. Having a professional state this herself, is very validating when other people don’t understand.

You can't show it by reason when someone is unreasonable.

I'm being blamed for others' mistakes as well as their cruel and vile behaviour. I believe that would be called "PROJECTION????"

"I was wrrr.. wrr... I was... not right." 😀 Once when my ex was having some problem with the car, I asked him if it could have had anything to do with something he had done earlier. He got all bent out of shape and informed me that doesn't like being blamed. That's right, in his universe it's against the rules for anything to be even remotely his fault.

"Minimize the damage to YOU!" -- well said

DH is from a military family. The father would force admission that you made a mistake as a humiliation ritual. Just ground them into the dirt. Not a great guy-always had to “win”, force others, especially his kids, into subjection. I think his kids developed great skill with blame-shifting to avoid the humiliation.

My ex wife stated on numerous times during our marriage...... " The words I'm sorry are not in my vocabulary "

18:58 pure gold! "An entirely different narrative of what happened in which their behavior [or conduct] is excused ... and everyone else is to blame."

I’ve been nodding along the entire time I listened to this video. Thank you so much for sharing all these wonderful conversations.

'Really enjoyed Dr. Winch's input! Thanks Dr. C! The Team Healthy community feels like a second home. A healthy one! 💜🐾

"know what (who) you're dealing with & adjust your expectations accordingly" That is some really actionable advice. It could save a person from so much aggravation and wasted time

The only thing you can control is yourself. Once I put boundaries up and kept them up my life becamei refreshing.

They can't admit they're wr,wr,wr er...not quite right 😳 (Fonz from Happy Days)

10:25 ohhh I have THe perfect example for that!! In an explosion of rage, my maternal unit attacked me and strangled me, and than claimed to literally *every* one that ‘she felt threatened and did it to defend herself’.. against someone who was actually leaving, or trying too, after she became more and more agitated as she saw how her full blown tantrum about 37yo me going against her will by divorcing my (ex of 8y now) abusive husband to me and even more the children wasn’t working, and took the decision to gtfo when resorted herself to scream at me that “we’re better than this in our family, we don’t get divorced”, because ‘divorce is ugly’, ‘morally ugly people get divorced’, and because ‘marriage is a serious engagement, it’s a contrat that you made for life” which was what slapped me most, what woke me up from her raging trans, as she should very well know that I know that she cheated on my dad with the neighbour because, as she explained it to me, “my dad had been working too much lately and she was missing on affection and intimacy”, but here’s the *truth* : my dad’s a fed, he was mobilized for a little ~3 months to literally go fight a local war, fighting to contain a crisis that exploded on the limits of a native territory, against ‘North American’ natives, and protect and defend the surrounding houses and citizens.. he still came home here and there to shower and sleep, but went straight back, and I remember those times very well, I remember how physically and mentally exhausted and shaken he was when he came home, but also how motivated he was to go back 6-8hrs later, I remember his tactical gear and his muddy boots, I remember hearing about the intensity of having cocktail Molotovs thrown at them right and left, I remember hearing about some of his colleagues and friends that got hurt, most permanently, and some others that almost got blown up and turned into a human torch, and I remember being so fvcking scared he would get badly hurt. I was 9. So at 9yo, I knew enough to understand that she was full of crap. From before my birth until I was ~7yo, my dad worked away all week - he was the PMs close security detail, and followed them 5d/w and sometimes more - so I wipe my butt with her ‘missing out so much affection’ bs excuse, that unfortunately seems to have worked with my dad. I never saw any emotion on his face related to this. She only gave me her version of events, which was just a petty attempt to get my sympathy, to avoid accountability. To a 9yo girl, that witnessed AP’s wife barging in our house screaming profanities at her mother, that understood what it meant, and saw ‘whatever that was’ that came after. And now she rationally thinks she has any credibility in being *that enraged* to the point of attacking me? She cheated. I didn’t. I said no to violence and abuse on my children. Of course she didn’t. She last all possible remains of any credibility she could’ve still have that day. She crossed my point of no return, that was my epiphany while I was completely dissociated, that and ‘don’t you fvcking move, or you’ll hand her on a silver platter everything she needs to end you, maybe even take your kids away from you, just let her, you know how this usually goes, she’ll calm down after she physically releases all her rage, and from seeing the pain she’s inflicted onto you, which she didn’t get that time, hence it took a little longer than usual.. So me, who completely frozen and dissociated, who didn’t even move, didn’t do anything in self-defense, while she was actively squeezing my throat with both hand, blocking my airways, convincingly screaming that I was crazy and should get my meds changed as ‘I don’t seem to have to good ones’, me who’s been seeing her GP every month for the last 2.5y, me who’s been to therapy, me who’s doing everything she can to not have abuse and violence in her home but his being forced to. It doesn’t even make sense, but I’ve since learned that when things ‘don’t make sense’, it’s because you’re missing pieces… so, I know she went full nuclear with that disgraceful interpretation of feeling her ego threatened, as it’s been 7.5y since I vanished, and no one absolutely no one in the entire family has ever tried to contact me, to know what happened, how I’m doing or ask why they haven’t seen or heard of me in a while. No one. Not even when my 11yo almost died from Crohn’s disease 2y ago. So, I prefer not thinking about it. They don’t know, and I can’t make them want to. They all don’t care to know at least some of the context considering the severity of the event, no one is curious to know if a deposition immediately after the event was made with the local police, which was, if I was hurt, if I needed some help, or worried if my kids were safe with me.. I mean, if I was really that crazy, then how come no one ever did anything for them? To “protect them from crazy me”? And no one cared to hear about the extensive psychiatric assessment I humbly asked for, cause in my simplistic factual world, it’s ok to be bipolar or whatever, as long as you take care of yourself and follow your medical team’s orders, you’re more than fine. So, I really wanted to know if I had something because I’m raising 2 kids that I really don’t want to fvck up just because I neglected myself all while *everyone knew but did nothing*, so yes, I really truly wanted to know in order to get the right treatment and get better, and be an even better mom. (Spoiler - Dx: PTSD related to childhood and recent events, and I’m on the spectrum, which finally makes a lot sense. After meeting with my paternal unit the next day and where that landed, I decided that I was not going to fight this. I had no chance, not much leg left to stand on, he had swallowed and took for only truth her insane version where she interpreted “threats to her reputation” as threats to her safety.. by that man that had said to my att husband that he was right for raging and cursing at me, his 36yo daughter, because of the mess the house was in when he came home from work, that man that believed it wasn’t abnormal that my youngest was 6yo the first time I was able to leave the house alone without any kids, and that man straight up told me “what do you want me to do, throw her in the street? I can’t and will not do this!” when I wasn’t asking for anything but to be heard and believed by my dad, I just needed my dad, I needed him to be my dad, my protector, after I know he’s spent his career protecting and defending others, I thought it would trigger at least something, just enough to be believed. That didn’t happen. But that’s what revealed to me how deeply deranged, dangerous, and completely disgusting she was and is, and that I had to cut all contact and flee to seek safety. I knew it was insanity. I didn’t want to have any part in it. I gtfo’d. My only goal became taking care and protecting my children and myself… which with the ex-husband that I have, I’ve barely been able to. But that’s another story. Sorry for rambling y’all

Dr. Guy Winch really knows this subject. I’m almost 50 and starting to desire the career like you guys. I have never known what to do with my life. I have always gone where ever the wind blows me. My son like me is clueless also. I have been encouraging him to be like you guys. He would be very good at that. He has always had a level head from when he was very young. Talking to him about psychological problems is refreshing because he brings important things up that I would never have thought and have never heard. I played a card mind game with him when he was little called, “conflicted.” He completely amazed me and that is a understatement.

Ughh so used to this behavior from most of the people i was around when i was growing up. I always wished the person would also be strong enough to say “i was wrong” and it just wouldnt happen. Trying to continue to get them to see this was fruitless. “A fools errand” as he said lol.

Thank you for this episode with Dr. Guy Winch. I greatly appreciated his insight. I am choosing to stay married to my covert narcissist husband and it was great to hear the encouragement for what to expect and not expect from the narcissist and how to cope with self-care. His description of the typical argument “I can say X but you shouldn’t say Y” describes about every frustrating argument my husband and I have. I rarely confront him about anything anymore, because it always gets turned around on me and I’m the critical one. The thing is, I finally realized I started believing his projections. But, Dr. Winch is right, most of the time my husband is a pleasant person to be with. I am also hrecently realizing that he’s an emotional amputee and there is so much self-protection going on that I’ll never enjoy emotional intimacy with him. It’s sad to be realizing this after 37 years of marriage. But at least I can find healthy ways to cope with that understanding.

I made the mistake of staying too long with him 🙄😂

I left a 30 year marriage with a narc. Now I have financial worries I never had. Has anyone else experienced this? Do you ever think “I should have learned to live with this without it impacting me so deeply” to keep the financial security late in life? It’s a hard place to stand. I went straight from leaving the marriage to caring for elderly sick parents. No end in site! I’m tired!

LOVE Guy Winch!! Thanks for having him on.

They definitely want you to engage in an argument. Their strategy is to emotionally disregulate you during the argument by gaslighting and other crazy making tendencies so instead of taking responsibility and feeling the shame they would experience, they can raise themselves above you because now you’re completely unhinged and look crazy. Everyone around you will agree with them that you are acting nuts. Now you’re experiencing the shame FOR them. This is supply for them. It’s so gross.

“I may not always be right, but I’m damn sure never wrong” said my ex who has since turned my adult children and grandchildren against me .

Another great one Dr. C. thank you for this.

The game of “I’m important!”. I like that you have both touched on the point of the combatant’s belief in their own self importance.

I joined a support group right before Christmas and am starting individual counseling to heal from the abuse the narcissist brought to me. To this day, the narcissist has not admitted to anything they’ve done wrong and the focus has all been on how bad I’ve behaved. I spent too much time defending myself. It’s always “I know I have issues but you have a SERIOUS temper” Now I just say “Thanks for that insight! Enjoy your day!”

It's part of some cultures - Japan - can't admit they're wrong - loss of face, which is a fate worse than death. The culture there is passive aggressive, covertly narc. It's often been called "a culture of shame".

“You always have to harp on that” was a phrase I heard from my very toxic ex spouse routinely!

THANK YOU SO MUCH for this new video.

Denial means it never happened. When they bend the rules to accomplish a goal, they change the power dynamic giving themselves the advantage to abuse at a greater level. Equality doesn't matter, your value or self worth doesn't matter, just them enacting revenge and winning.

Wonderful, deep conversation. Thank you, gentleman.

Wow. This guy is amazing. My life for 30 years. About mentally and emotionally destroyed me.

Omg TY . As I renew my new life without the narc/addict I come upon such valuable information. I did believe if we could discuss our points of view we could compromise. Well that was wrong. I find my vitality returning these days. Proud @ peace & grateful to be no contact. It’s the only way to soar 💪🏻👍🏻

Brilliant Conversation! My mother fits this description and exhibits these characteristics perfectly. It never gets better. She will never admit to abusing her husband and four daughters. 😢