Why Panasonic UB9000's HDR Optimiser is Such A Killer Feature

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We explain and demonstrate why the [HDR Optimiser] function on the Panasonic UB9000/ UB820/ UB420 4K UHD Blu-ray players is such a killer feature, extracting the best picture quality from 4K Blu-rays for most displays.
Note that the level to which the feature performs the tone-mapping is controlled by the [HDR Display Type] settings in the player menu. [HDR Optimiser] can only be applied to HDR10 (the majority of 4K Blu-ray titles) & HLG content, and not to HDR10+ & Dolby Vision discs which already benefit from dynamic metadata.
This majority of this video is filmed using the Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 4K (BMPCC 4K) to capture higher dynamic range.
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@hdtvtest 5 жыл бұрын

Note: [HDR Optimiser] can only be applied to HDR10 & HLG content, and not to HDR10+ & Dolby Vision discs which already benefit from dynamic metadata.

@marcorasero6003 5 жыл бұрын

HDTVTest And Oppo udp 203 vs Panasonic UB9000 ??

@DrCrYz 5 жыл бұрын

Please consider doing some work on which TV's are best for use with a gaming PC. For example TVs with real 10bit panels and not 8 with frc, what settings to use in the PC with nvidia colour modes RGB, 444, 422 etc and if any TV's support adaptive sync that is compatible with gsync or any smart tvs with display ports. There is such a lack of info out there. Thanks for your great content.

@mattgiunt 5 жыл бұрын

So the Optimiser has no effect on regular Blu ray or sd dvds? Does it have any use with a Netflix app on the UB 9000 if it is displaying 4K material?

@macmacsk 5 жыл бұрын

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@macmacsk 5 жыл бұрын

Can they update the xbox one x to do the same?

@Boyer316 Жыл бұрын

I know this is an old video but I just got myself an 820 and the difference between it and the X700 and PS5 I was using is staggering.

@dj_houdini7766 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review, I am thinking of upgrading from my X700 as well after getting a QN90B since Sony doesn't process HDR10+. With most 4k movies with Dolby Vision only, I think the HDR Optimizer could be very valuable with a Samsung display.

@kevinselzer1669 3 ай бұрын

same as well

@davidobutt 5 жыл бұрын

This is the best explanation of hdr tone mapping you will ever see

@richrams4683 5 жыл бұрын

This guy is amazing, he reveals all issues from new tech that i would spot and the average retail seller would not.

@stugtodd2778 2 жыл бұрын

It's very good.

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@Androidonator 5 жыл бұрын

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@niro750 4 жыл бұрын

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@UltrafineDeluxe 4 жыл бұрын

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@davycarr7026 24 күн бұрын

A brilliant explanation of how the Panasonic works and the benefits of tweaking settings on both the TV and the player to get the best experience Please keep posting, very informative

@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY 5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely criminal that you don't have more subs and views especially on vids like this! Great job as always!

@RedBird77 3 жыл бұрын

This was so helpful. Ordered 820 today. Thanks for the video.

@ericlanglais 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for this video! I have an Optoma projector and a Sony X700 player and had been contemplating on buying the 420 or 820 only because of the optimizer. You saved me a few headaches by indicating that those options for projectors are only on the 9000.

@MovieViking 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome, competent and straightforward demo and explanation!

@bogroll1881 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much my panasonic 820 can now feed my new LG 810 projector 500 nits and now HDR is sorted really useful information thanks Vincent:)

@Ianochez 5 жыл бұрын

There is soo much to learn, you are explaining well... just wonder how your demos are in person

@jasonbuxton1260 5 жыл бұрын

Nicely explained. It makes a change for a feature to just work with the press of a button without degrading something else.

@BizkitBoy86 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another informative video, Vincent! The auto dynamic tonemapping done by the player is indeed awesome, it's really amazing how it manages to analyze the picture and tonemap only what needs to be tonemapped from each frame without touching the overall APL. Panasonic strikes again! Now comes the million dollar question: will we see this killer feature within the Panasonic OLED's menu? I'm mainly interested in the 2019 range but I'm sure others will like to know if previous models may receive a software update including this feature.

@matthewnguyen6961 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video.I have a 77 inch Sony a80j and just got the panny 820 yesterday.I think following your guidance here will give me a great viewing experience with my 4k uhd movies.Appreciate your videos and I just subscribed.

@remicochi8310 4 жыл бұрын

Wow... Thank you very much for this useful informations. You are the best !

@twosawyers 5 жыл бұрын

Wow! This is impressive! Hopefully other manufacturers will follow process!

@Monster-Abee 2 жыл бұрын

Just revisiting this excellent video after playing with the settings on my LG CX and the UB820. It's true that the Panasonic optimizer even now in 2021 has better handling of tone mapping on HDR10 than the LG CX in my experience. I turned off the dynamic tone mapping on the CX and enabled the optimizer on the UB820 and got fantastic results. Thanks Vincent for an excellent video.

@ChrisDaytrader 2 жыл бұрын

I love the optimizer, and i am using cinema home hdr pre-set on my cx, but i find it looks better with dynamic tone mapping on, on my cx, when i disable it, the whole scene darkens, or is that how it should be ?

@CrumbandLian 5 жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Thank you Vincent. Mine is sitting in a box waiting to be plugged in. Lots of love from Sprinkles, Chris and Crystal xx

@methlokaijufan9729 4 жыл бұрын

The colors are dull and washed out when I turn the HDR on . Why is this happening ? Panasonic DP-UB420 connected to a Philips 436M6 hdr monitor . Can someone please help me ?

@aguanervioso3306 3 жыл бұрын

Love your videos!!! I especially love the wagyu beef analogy. I remember the first time I had wagyu, it was Miyazaki. After eating that, I started comparing everything to the beef. “If I don’t buy this amp, how much wagyu could I get‽” 😂

@remic2902 5 жыл бұрын

Hello, one more question about video projectors and HDR optimizer please : is the “basic luminance lcd” option on the ub 820 (500 nits) is that much different from the “Basic luminance projector” (350 nits) on the 9000 ? Or will it be very subtle? Thanks again for your work and for your answer.

@coyley72 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks. Question: if you enable HDR Optimiser will it remain on at all times, even when changing disc? Or do I need to enable it each time I watch a disc?

@abu1950 3 жыл бұрын

This is why I subscribe to this guy 12:15, look at the difference in the flames. I was about to buy a Sony UBP 700 yesterday as I have a Sony AG8 tv and StrDn 1080 receiver only to switch last minute to the Panasonic DP-UB820EBK. I can't wait for it to come now.

@DarkKnight-gw4gw Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video. Very thorough and well-explained. I wonder, for TVs like the Sony X950H which only has player-led Dolby Vision, is the HDR optimizer on the Panasonic players the answer to get the very best DV possible out of discs? I currently have the Sony X800M2 player and I don’t think it has this type of feature.

@avelinooroisfernandez605 Жыл бұрын

Excellent (and fun) explanation of a, indeed, killer feature. Actually, as the owner of an Epson EH-TW9300W, this was the final nudge I needed to buy this player. Cheers! :^)

@dickiefears5832 4 жыл бұрын

Anyone know if the optimiser stays on when you've switched it on when playing an HDR disc or do you have to switch it on manually each time a new disc is loaded?

@Brecksvids 3 жыл бұрын

I love your videos! I have a Calman Calibrated LG C9 and the UB820, should I be using HDR Optimiser on top of Dynamic Tone Mapping (included in the calibration)?

@nyquil07na38 Жыл бұрын

I am playing around with this and to be honest this tone mapping looks better than DV. Will continue to play around with it.

@dudesuppenkopf8047 5 жыл бұрын

Another question: Does this function do anything on Panasonic OLEDs? Theoretically player and TV should apply Panasonic tonemapping and there shouldn‘t be a difference, right?

@Anthony-ex6hq 4 жыл бұрын

How does this feature work with the LG C7 active HDR? It’s my understanding that the C7 active HDR was a different approach than the current dynamic tone mapping found on the C8/C9. Would it be best to use both the hdr optimizer on the player and the active hdr setting on the C7?

@ssranon 5 жыл бұрын

@HDTVTest What demo disk and scene are you using for this demo (actors with sun behind them)? Thanks

@hometheaterman1424 5 жыл бұрын

Hi HDTVTest under HDR Display Type on the Panasonic DP-820 I have a Samsung Q90R TV which would I select for my Qled tv?

@Ocharles3148 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this very interesting video. Would you recommend to activate the Tone mapping option on a LG C9 when watching TV or Netflix directly from the TV (it is clear that it must be disabled when watching bluray with the UB9000 or UB820). Thanks for your help !

@scottnorris9079 5 жыл бұрын

Would this feature be beneficial when used in conjunction with jvc nx9 auto tone mapping? Or is that redundant and detrimental?

@Slyder695 4 жыл бұрын

Will the optimizer work if being passthrough a receiver like the Denon 6500? Or does it need to be wired directly to the tv.

@michaelmcgehee5932 4 жыл бұрын

I have the lg c7 oled. Through my Sony X700 uhd player, when I play dolby vision content, it is quite dark and/or has little if any peak highlights. When I turn off dolby vision in the X700 and force hdr, the highlights come back to a large extent. So being that the X700 doesn't tone map dolby vision, what's the solution to make that mode come through currently? Just only use hdr10?

@davidreynolds1732 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Vincent. Would you think it is better to set the player to output SDR BT2020 rather than HDR BT2020 when paired with a projector like the Epson HC5040UB? I keep hearing that SDR BT2020 is better for projectors since they can’t get close to the nits needed for HDR even with the player set to low light output projectors in the settings.

@lossratioband 4 жыл бұрын

Is the hdr optmiser utilized during usb playback? And also is there much difference in playback between the 3.0 and 2.0 usb ports? I have the Panasonic dp-ub420p thanks

@darthdank1993 5 жыл бұрын

Is the calibrator option bot in the ub820 make a substantial difference in picture for an oled?

@alessioscoda5839 4 жыл бұрын

Cani ask you if i use this type of player with a jvc rs45 1080p projector, can i benefit of hdr iven.if transduced to sdr ?

@FrankVila 4 жыл бұрын

Do you recommend the DP-UB420 for a basic luminance projector? does it have those same options?

@steven2809 4 жыл бұрын

So if I understand correctly...with my LG B9 I would be better to use the Basic luminance LCD setting rather than OLED setting?

@danibluray 3 жыл бұрын

Hello. How about SDR TV? any particular option on this blurry to improve performance quality or sound? Thanks.

@Squishmallows24 2 жыл бұрын

So would this apply to a tv like the a80j? On the a80j gradation preferred is used by default for HDR. Can the Panasonic HDR optimizer be used with the gradation preferred?

@demonreturns4336 5 жыл бұрын

So if you have the UB820 and want to use it with a projector which of of the options do you go with? Basic Luminance LCD?

@mrpmj00 2 жыл бұрын

Hi. I'm using an Epson 2250 projector (2700 lumens, 1080P resolution). When playing a 4k movie, which Panasonic (ub420) setting do you think would look better: 1. Panasonic set to 1080P output (let the Panasonic process the picture) 2. Panasonic set to 4k (4:4:4) output (the Epson would have to downconvert the 4k to 1080P). I would think the first option looks the best.

@harta_1509 3 жыл бұрын

What about if I have JVC N7. Will this help more ? Cause option already has it on jVC ? Thanks

@Shadow-bs1iu 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Vincent I have the UB820 connected to Panasonic GZ1500. Which device would you use to process HDR, the player or TV. Unless mistaken I think the TV has the same processing capabilities as the player…? Thanks for your help

@timdlr 5 жыл бұрын

I’ve noticed that the UB-9000 has a high luminance projector option and the UB-820 does not, is this significant for people that own an HDR projector, or will the existing settings on the 820 serve?

@asiboy2912 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, I have a Samsung QLED Q80T which one I need to choose? Is it the Super Luminance LCD?

@Squishmallows24 2 жыл бұрын

I have a question and maybe someone can help me. So dolby vision and hdr are set to 100 oled light but what if I find that too bright in a dark room setting, is it ok to lower oled light on hdr content or no?

@paulallenMacca 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this video Vincent,i have the Panasonic UB820,do you remember the Sony DVP S735 dvd Player i really loved this dvd Player have you ever seen one before.

@jacobsteele7138 4 жыл бұрын

I just ordered this player to go with my Epson 5040 projector. I have a silver ticket grey screen. Any suggestions?

@Dave30867 5 жыл бұрын

Ahhhhh Mr Vincent you good man keep up your hard work ✔👍

@nathanhughes4394 Ай бұрын

Hi there, great video. I just got an LG G3, should this setting be off or should it be set to Super High Luminance? Thx

@marcmainguet3556 6 ай бұрын

Hello Vincent, Thanks for the excellent video. How do you compare the Panasonic ub9000 to the Magnetar 900 and Reavon 200 in 2023? Thans in advance for your input !

@ladislavsimek3536 5 жыл бұрын

Vincent its looks very intrested this [HDR Optimiser] function on Panasonic if you have video projector. Old JVC projectors already show some information about MaxFALL and MaxCLL will this upgrade his function for bether tonemaping? Can you explain me if there are some of function SDR BT.2020 on this Panasonic? Thank you

@ninohowald627 2 жыл бұрын

When i turn the hdr optimizer on the 9004 on , must turn the hdr optimizer on the lg c9 off or on? Thanks!

@Renerator 4 жыл бұрын

Is the HDR Optimizer another name for Tone Mapping? I’m trying to turn off the Tone Mapping feature in my Panny 820 as I’ve just updated my Firmware on a JVC NX7 and the Tone Mapping on the Panny is no longer need. Any help is appreciated.

@fbanget 4 жыл бұрын

Cool video. I own the sony x950g. I believe the peak luminance of my tv is about 1250 nits. Should I set the player's "TV Type" setting to "Medium to High Luminance (1000 nits)" or "Super High Luminance (1500 nits)"?

@irokez85 5 жыл бұрын

Ok, so I have 75Q9FN calibrated by Maciej Koper from HDTVPolska, I see in my calibration report that measured nits on tv is 1890,5cd/m2. Super high luminance on panasonic is 1500 nits, also Q9FN has his own eotf curve which overblowns a little bit hdr. Should I be still interested in UB9000's?

@TroyAllenSr 2 жыл бұрын

What if your LCD has Max Nits of 750? Should you choose the 1000 setting (MIddle or High) or the 500 setting (Basic)? My TV is a TCL 55P605

@FFKpar 4 жыл бұрын

Vincent I have a Sony x900f and currently using the Sony 800x UHD Blu ray player. I watch in theatre dark so I can't stand blooming. SDR looks great at brightness 1, but HDR has lots of blooming. I can lower the HDR brightness, but then the whole picture looks to dark. Would the Panasonic 820 HDR optimizer help with this? Like if I were to set it to the low luminance lcd, the peaks might not be as big of an issue with blooming right?

@moonunitdaily1445 3 жыл бұрын

I have a Panasonic UB420 and just bought a sony x900h 75". What would you set the hdr optimizer to. I have it at its lowest setting 500nit. Ive seen that the sony can produce 730nit. Should I have it on the next setting up 1000nit? Thanks For any help.

@eternalbeing3339 2 жыл бұрын

So i need to turn dynamic tone mapping on and hdr optimizer on as well?

@cartman050579 10 ай бұрын

Can you help me select the right Display type for Sony X93L? Would it be super high luminance?

@lorysize 4 жыл бұрын

Vincent sorry,is it possible to activate both hdr options on Panasonic ub9000 and tv Oled Lg?

@FM-qq2kk 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do a video on the proper use of RGY and B buttons on the remote? Thanks

@vincevirtua 11 ай бұрын

Which is the best hdr picture mode on a tv set eg LG C line with this player? Filmmaker mode? With Dtm off.

@CrashCarson14 3 жыл бұрын

Can you explain how this may be different than the HDR -> SDR conversion by Sony players? Is that just an even more exaggerated version of this Panasonic player, or like the Panasonic’s “basic LCD” mode? I don’t have HDR tv (upgrading soon) but where do I set this at on my current tv? It’s got a slider bar but I don’t know exactly what is correct.

@paulk9534 5 ай бұрын

So if i have a 4k projector with 2400 ansi lumen, how many nits is that and what setting do i choose on the panasonic for the correct hdr optimiser setting?

@64garrett Жыл бұрын

Does anyone know if the Sony 930e should be super high or middle luminance for the HDr optimizer

@arunadayananda3551 3 жыл бұрын

I have a Samsung Q80r. It's rated for 1500 nits but according to Tech Radar it does "1200 cd/m (aka nits), using a 10 per cent HDR window.". Based on this should I use the High Luminance or Super High Luminance setting?

@saulgoodman2930 4 жыл бұрын

Why is the LG not picking up Dolby Vision playback when the disc is started? It goes to regular HDR? I've had this problem, when I load Netflix on the panasonic the LG automatically changes to Dolby Vision HDR yet I play Bladerunner 2049 and LG reckons it's playing back in standard HDR

@mous3y490 Жыл бұрын

if i have a lg c8, do i pick OLED or middle lcd luminance?

@larsv6144 Жыл бұрын

Would it have this added value when used with a JVC NP5 (RS1100) projector With JVC’s great HDR?

@86scar86 3 жыл бұрын

Are HDR Display Type option also available on the UB450?

@najibs 4 жыл бұрын

I have a Samsung KS8000 (QLED) and Sony X800 UHD player. Will I notice a difference If I get this or a UB820?

@andreassouth1523 Жыл бұрын

So if you have a 2009 plasma tv like me you must choose Basic Luminance LCD??

@jarodreddig63 5 жыл бұрын

Is the Ub9000 the US model number too? Sorry if you said and I missed. Wanting to pair this with my JVC RS540.

@seversheen3044 4 жыл бұрын

What’s the difference between this player and the step down model ubd820?

@julianmorgan5994 4 ай бұрын

I have the UB820 and the LG C3 and I have no idea if I should use the TV dynamic tone mapping or the ub820’s. Obviously I want the tv’s one on for other content but for 4k Blu-ray Discs what would actually be better?

@oldschoolbluesplayer5319 5 жыл бұрын

* * * I'm trying to decide between the Samsung Q70R and the Sony X950G. As per your Reviews The Sony has a "Blooming Issue" which a scene with a dark back ground and a bright object will Bloom sometime even into the Black Bars and the Samsung does not do this but instead has a "Blach Crush Issue" where where there is a dark background and a bright object there is no "Blooming" and the Black Bars stay Black but it loses some Shadow Detail. Question: are there any Setting on the Panasonic that can Help either TV with their Issues or in the Sony TV Menu (to darken the Black Bars or on the Samsung Menu to Brighten the Picture just a touch ?

@lawrencehudlin 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent excellent excellent video... on a side note my mrs bought my UB9000 from Richer Sounds Sheffield and I do use them for cables etc for my high end audiophile hifi setup. So I've switched on the optimiser on my 9000 and watched Warcraft in 4k DV, yes I can see the difference... in the bright areas how much it retains detail, wow what a difference... Thanks for the tip. Great video and you have inspired me to put a background onto my setup page... now to see if my mrs will let me lay our neighbours wife across our bed while get that perfect snap shot 😂😂😂 just kidding.. or am I...🤣🤣🤣 Vince we need a full vid when you can about this player... there is much I'm yet too learn about the best way to run this unit hooked up to my LG B755v keep doing what you do...

@s9209122222 5 жыл бұрын

Does HDR really have benefit on a PC monitor or lower luminance LCD TV?

@steevo124 3 жыл бұрын

Has anyone figured out how to get the TV control buttons on the 9000 remote to work? Specifically with a Sony A9G?

@321Mhulsie 4 ай бұрын

@HDTVTest Does "Dynamic HDR Effect" on a Panasonic OLED essentially do the same thing?

@kenestra123 4 ай бұрын

Should this be set on a 2024 Lg 65” C3 OLED?

@richardknott2021 4 ай бұрын

Excellent tutorial..

@gildragon 3 жыл бұрын

If I have a TV capable of a peak brightness of close to 3,000 nuts would it make any sense to cap the peak brightness to 1500 in this case for the ultra high luminance panel? I think it would be better just to turn this feature off. or just get a player that costs less because it doesn't have this feature? like I have the Vizio p series quantum x which at least advertises a peak brightness of 3,000 nits

@tonywalker5746 4 ай бұрын

What setting do you use if your TV does 1500 nits.. Just got the Panasonic MZ2000

@ozarkbagger1380 Жыл бұрын

I know the 9000 has more bells and whistles but is the hdr part different than the 820 and 420?

@akhtarhamid3634 5 жыл бұрын

Hello, i did not realise you were based in Manchester. I would like to ask how much do you charge to calibrate a tv ?

@undeadson8119 9 ай бұрын

So should I now disable HDR tone mapping on my tv(LGC1)and turn HDR Optimizer on or what?

@amitdey8916 5 жыл бұрын

Can you kindly upload some calibration technique or settings for my Sony A9F please if I can do it without any hardware or expert by just tweaking the settings from menu. In my country Bangladesh we do not have any talent or engineer for TV calibration I mean no one has that skills to do it searched from Sony Bangladesh and other sources but no. So can I get some advice for this Specific model pls. I have already watched the review of yours for Sony A9F but that is not detailed in calibration. Thank You

@Pagaugezero Жыл бұрын

My TCL 8 series LCD has a peak brightness of 1379. Should I use Super High or Middle High Luminance.

@heydon2012 Жыл бұрын

It's 2022 when I write this and wish you could have done a video about the DP-Ub820 going in depth about its features as you have done here, is the HDR optimizer, exactly the same on all three $K DVD players?

@aaronwilson1677 3 жыл бұрын

I'm looking to get a new 4k player. I'm using a UBD 8500 Samsung player . I want to get the ub 9000. Should I wait for new stuff to come out or get the ub 9000 ? I have LG Cx 65" with LG SN11RG

@isak6626 5 жыл бұрын

@HDTVTest Are you sure that the picture looks more realistic? I've tried this feature myself, and I'm not convinced. If you stare into a spotlight, do you really see that much details in the light, or are you blinded (i.e. are the details blown out?)? I am worried that the HDR optimizer takes away the punch of explosions, lights etc. How would the sane content be represented on a Dolby Pulsar? What are your thoughts?

@Geoff_Dearth 5 жыл бұрын

It's a shame that the Optimiser induces some slight posterisation (which I noticed even when using the Optimiser with a 1000-nit UHD that didn't need tone mapping, i.e. the mapping itself didn't change but some banding was introduced) but then I can smooth it out with the Smooth Gradation on Low on my ZD9. For content that's been encoded well enough then it's slight enough not to notice, but for stuff that's already a bit more fragile e.g. the bright sky in the final shot of Exodus on UHD disc then it can make it look worse.