Let's go!! Thank you for another art piece king!!

When the video is this good it doesnt matter how long it takes

very interested, what would you suggest as a starting point in the Legends? I have just finished the "Heir" trilogy and the "Hand" series and now I have no clues to where to go. Love your videos

My friend this video is one of the most heartfelt and brilliant summaries of what makes the EU special and why it’s still relevant to so many fans.

Yes please do! These stories are amazing!

They will not erase history

They dogpile her, people who never read the books, yet ignore when Filoni does the same damn thing. He's just a lot sneakier and more insidious in how HE buries the past.

@@saberiandream316 Because he at least actually takes from it.

@@austinreed7343 except he shouldn't be just "taking" from the movies should he? Or do you casually ignore that as well?

@@Jiub_SN What do you mean?

Haha, right there with you, my SW sister. :)

Mara Jade started my interest in red head girls😂😂😂 I've nvr told that to anybody b4🤣 it's nice being part of a community that understands my secret level of nerdiness lol

Heir to the empire and the Thrawn trilogy were awesome I recently read it for the first time and it rocked? Mara is awesome too such a great character

Do you still have it

Mara Jade. 😍

SWTOR is an embarrassment compared to what Kotor 2 was setting up for Kotor 3 and beyond. Wish we got to see the follow through of Kotor before the Revan book.

@@lordrevanz16same I wish we could’ve seen obsidians KOTOR 3 and how they envisioned the true Sith rather than the Revan novel and SWTOR retconning it into vitiate

He literally fell to the dark side at one point

@@lipartist For me, Luke's defining characteristic is his unwavering faith that there's always hope, even at the darkest moment. He may fail, but he will always get up and start again. That's what is missing for me in The Last Jedi. He just dies without, at least to my mind, a good reason. For me, him dying during the fight would have been much better, as he deserved a warrior's death. In contrast to the situation in the cannon, Luke does fuck up in Legends from time to time, but he always manages to bounce back. This is precisely the quality that I appreciate his character for. He went through hell but never lost hope.

This has always been my mantra. I didn't like everything in Legends (EU), but I took what I loved and ignored what I didn't, and it worked out well. Other than Dark Empire, there was nothing I loathed. It's fiction--the only canon is what is in your head. No one can dictate to you what to accept or not accept. Sequel Trilogy?--not in my canon.

Heavily agree, this fandom desperately needs someone to explain the concept of headcanon and to realize that canon doesn't really matter at all

I just read this as he said the line lmao

@@nagger8216 That simply just false for several reason, canon is anything that is the based on what has happened in a story,film, book, etc( this not just about star wars, but other properties in general) If it's no longer canon, then majority of people won't watch, read, or play the game of meaning over time less and less people will care or even know about it vs canon which will get tv shows, games, merchandise of its timeline frequently constantly talk about, parks built after it, etc. ( overall In the end legends will be simply overlooked by many for simply reason it's not canon and doesnt hold weight in overall story anymore) it will be forgotten or barely known overtime/ to make matter worse today most people don't read books over other entertainment options so it only going to get worse. You and the other guy saying somehow canon doesn't matter is just so wrong and head canon is pretty much just another word for denial and low ball at worst fanfiction. The reason why people are pisst, because people know what I'm saying is pretty much true. ( note I hate the sequels, but even I know that garbargr is canon while legends isn't/ in fact their pulling stuff from legends into the canon timeline)

​@@thealexgundam5006 "If it's no longer canon, then majority of people won't watch, read, or play the game of meaning over time less and less people will care or even know about it" Tell that to all the Thrawn and Revan fanboys that are still going strong. " ( overall In the end legends will be simply overlooked by many for simply reason it's not canon and doesnt hold weight in overall story anymore) it will be forgotten or barely known overtime/ to make matter worse today most people don't read books over other entertainment options so it only going to get worse." I very much doubt that, those stories have existed and influenced Star Wars for decades and still do. It's kinda hard to claim people are going to forget about them when the canon regularly reincorporates ideas and characters straight from Legends. You also act like they're banned and aren't being sold and read regularly, I doubt anyone's going to give a shit about some "LEGENDS" label on a SW book besides neckbeards. "You and the other guy saying somehow canon doesn't matter is just so wrong and head canon is pretty much just another word for denial and low ball at worst fanfiction" I guess, but no one's going to break into my house and beat the shit out of me just because I consider Heir to the Empire and Knights of the Old Republic as canon, at the end of the day it's my interpretation of Star Wars and no one else can change that. Not to mention those kind of decisions aren't made by artists and writers, they're made by business men that couldn't give less of a shit about Star Wars if they tried. There's not much reason to care about their business decisions because that's all they are at the end of the day, business decisions, not artistic ones.

You could have stopped at Disney doesn’t have the balls

Filoni worked on all of Disney, Star Wars, even created the backstory for the sequel trilogy. Imo he is a large part of the problem of what’s wrong with Disney Star Wars.

​@@TheFirstOkiro HE DID WHAT? Then why so many fans lick his boots if he's part of the reason why sequels are so bad? How the same guy who made Clone Wars and Rebels help make such trash?

@@user-yq9im9dk9z because they grew up with the clone wars. You can 100% see disneywars in TCW: mischaracterization of almost all of the prequels characters (it's insane), destroying the plot of both the prequels and ot for his OC ahsoka, it's kinda crazy. I'm too lazy to fully explain, but I know there's a video out there about it on KZfaq

@@Jiub_SNYES!

​@Juniper_Wippersnachebro literally introduced time travel just to save ahsoka....

If you want some "new" Stat Wars Legends content then check out the WIP novel "Supernatural Encounters." It'll be the largest novel in the franchise and have dense world building akin to The Silmarillion.

@@blackshogun272 Ah, neat, I hadn't heard of that.

I just recently started my journey in to the EU and after finishing the Thrawn trilogy I can't believe I never read any of these books. I was blown away by that story and how well written it was. And God all the interesting characters, Talon and Mara were my favorites. Definitely a breath of fresh air after the derivative garbage disney had put out. In a way I'm thankful that the disney star wars is trash because it forced me to start reading these awesome books and comics set in my favorite fiction of all time. Currently reading The Old Republic comics and then I'll be starting the Jedi Academy trilogy and keep going all the way to the Legacy of the Force series. Fell in love with star wars all over again.

@@nicolasacosta1673 Aw hell yeah. Hey with your pfp of a Mando emblem, I gotta also recommend you read Blood Ties and some of the Boba Fett books. It's not all gold, there's very little that quite reaches the heights of Thrawn Trilogy, though there is the Thrawn Duology which is also really excellent. I'd recommend you also check out the Revenge of the Sith novelization as something you might overlook, it's really excellent.

@@pubcle Thanks for the recommendations dude. I've actually been eyeing Blood Ties and it turns out it's like $10 off on amazon right now, so I'll be picking that up this week. And yea I've heard about the ROTS novelization being really good and expanding on the movie, definitely on the list. At some point I also want to delve into some clone wars stuff too, especially after finding out that Filoni essentially deleted all of it and replaced it with his cartoon. I thought he only retconned some things here and there but nope, turns out he took a dump on all of it. I personally hated his depiction of the mandalorians. For me they've always been a culture not a race. Making them all human was so boring. But for now I'll try to focus on post ROTJ stuff as much as I can otherwise I think I'll never be done with so many books to read. 😅

Hadn't Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, the sequel trilogy would have probably been about the Yuuzhan Vong war, as there was an X-Files style Clone wars arc planned about a Vong scout ship abducting Jedi.

@@Stryker98 If George retired or sold star wars but to someone else like WB or Fox (it wasn't disney at the time) or if even disney owned lucasfilm made other decisions than maybe yeah, but he had other ideas. His outlines were about Darth Maul training Darth Talon as his apprentice and raising a crime underworld against the new republic. Luke would loose his mind becouse his jedi students turned against him and Leia would strugle to rebuild the governmant with the help of her and Han's jedi children. I guess that later Feloni used that idea in TCW. But that doesn't matter, like i said, EU would still be fine, we'd have new stories in both universes. Disney doesn't ignore legends timeline but either they're too afraid of continuing it for now.

@@Stryker98 that would never happen in any timeline.

@@_vakas Canonization of the Yuuzhan Vong would have been more likely than you think, Lucas even approved of the Vong in the Clone Wars as long as they weren't force resistant like they were in legends.

But, it was non-canonical.

With excellent continuity, i might add

Yes but unless they produce tons of Hollywood woke movies, they get ignored. The SW EU era was one of the most amazing periods for any franchise, ever.

Before that we had Stephen King novels.

@@juresaiyan it's insane that George gave his magnum opus to Disney. I get why he did it, getting old and wanting to spend time with his daughter, but ironically he gave it to the very thing he hated when he started Star Wars, corporations who just want money.

The clone wars multimedia project and plagueis are mine

Palpatines return was set up in the Disney Star Wars Novels. Just it was so ambiguous. Like Dark Empire. Still despires Rise of Skywalker. But he was set up.

they can have their Disney canon but the sequels ARE a trigly of retcons that don't fit into the universe of Star Wars like turning the force into a generic superpower that u can pull all kinds of abilities out form ur ass without having to work for it. Also ruining the conclusion from the OT which is the true conclusion of Star Wars. The sequels are a giant wound in the fanbase and thus no further damage will happen if they're gone but reverting the franchise back to its former glory.

@@medalgear654 While I personally agree with you with you, we have to accept that not everyone does

@@medalgear654 that’s not even true though, legends had plenty of force abilities that were ridiculous and seem like “because the force and stuff”. Luke making a force projection, or Snoke setting up a force bond between Kylo and Rey isn’t really that implausible for the universe of StarWars. Not counting Rise of Skywalker (because even diehard sequel trilogy enjoyers like myself will admit that one sucks), continuity isn’t broken. Also, whether you like them or not, just retconning everything isn’t going to fix anything, it’s just going to rip apart the still healing fan base. There is no former glory to go back to, we have to move on.

@@cantthinkofaname5046 The EU also has it's share of flaws. I have seen people vehemently hate Darth Krayt's Empire and even the Yuuzhan Vong war. But I love the EU for both it's pros and cons. The EU has reached immortality. I don't like the Canon lore and vastly prefer EU lore. But I am very happy that the EU happenned. But if some poeple actually like the Disney canon and enjoy it, more power to them and I wish them the best. I couldn't find enjoyment in them.

@@TheNamelessScholarOfficial I understand, I just think that people calling force projection something ridiculous for the continuity while also sacrificing their firstborn child to get the EU back are hypocrites.

How about Young Jedi Knights? It tells a great story about how you have to learn to live with a disability. Disabled representation! And her accident could be seen as gun-control allegory. Or, and this is still relevant today, the dangers of how easy it is for an otherwise decent fella to be drawn into a radical splinter group. That's chilling when you look at the shit going on today. And I find it hilarious that both left AND right hard-liners HATE these stories, the left because they think it's an attack on them to show a diverse group of fanatics unleashing a virus (hits a little too close to home), and the right because the word "diversity" triggers them and they'd tune out right away before even reading it. Well, as it stands, this flaming liberal is sticking to Legends over the Disnoids. Fuck the canon crap, they can't even keep it consistent for ten years, never mind forty. I'm choosing what I love.

I really don't care about that gay shit though, and you shouldn't either

good for you! My favorite era is the clone wars multimedia project! However, i started playing kotor recently and it is rivaling it

my favorite by far is the New Jedi Order and Legacy of The Force books

Let’s be honest to me the old republic is canon for me because it decades apart to the prequels and originals trilogy.

No, I think that there isn't a multiverse needed in the lore to allow the continuation of legends. It can be continued as a totally separate story with the same name and simmilar characters. It's like they handled The Walking Dead. Comic book story has its own universe and Tv show has its own. And some games are in one universe and some are in the other. And they're not connected through any multiverse or something, they are just that - separare stories. And that's what I'd like to happen with star wars one day. That someone will just say "Ok, let's allow them to write some new stories ser in legends, let's continue the old timeline as well". As simple as that.

Me too!

No please Multiverse concept has been used to death

@@redzeitgeist854 Yeah, I agree. But Legends can be continued anyway.

I know im a year later to this but i wanted to point out that basically the Emperor, being defeated by the Chosen One. Will Forever be destined to fail whenever he returns in even the far future of the EU. Because the BLOODLINE from the Chosen one will forever keep a leash on Palpatine since the nexus in the force is gone. I think that's pretty cool imo

Oh and don't worry, this would still mean the Prophecy of the Chosen one was never misread in the lore of the EU! 👍🏽

Have you read the clone wars multimedia project? Its a treat

@@clonetrooper2003 i havent can you give me a link

@@AndreNitroX Well its different pieces of media. So i can’t give you a link to it. However, I have a reading order if gou would like me to give it to you!

@@AndreNitroX What I mean was it was a whole different bunch of media in a project like novels an games. here is the order • Attack of The Clones • Clone Wars - Volume #1: The Defense of Kamino • Clone Wars - Volume #2: Victories and Sacrifices • 2D Micro-Series: Chapters 1-7 • Clone Wars - Volume #4: Light and Dark • 2D Micro-series: Chapters 8-20 • Shatterpoint (Matthew Stover) • The Cestus Deception (Steven Barnes) • Clone Wars - Volume #3: Last Stand on Jabiim • Clone Wars - Volume #5: The Best Blades • Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter (While not part of the project, I STRONGLY recommend reading before the Medstar Duology, since a certain character from Shadow Hunter reappears in said Duology ) • Medstar Duology (Michael Reaves & Steve Perry) • Yoda: Dark Rendezvous • 2D Micro-series: Chapter 20-22 • Clone Wars - Volume #6: On The Fields of Battle • Clone Wars - Volume #7: When They Were Brothers • Clone Wars: Volume #8: The Last Siege, The Final Truth • Republic Commando • Labyrinth of Evil (James Luceno) • Revenge of the Sith (+ Novelization) • Star Wars Battlefront II (2005) - Rise of The Empire Story Mode Campaign BONUS: READING ORDER • Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader (James Luceno) • Clone Wars Volume #9: Endgame • Dark Times Comic Series • The Force Unleashed (THE FINALE

@@clonetrooper2003 thank you

Indeed!

Same here! 🥲I think you can tell since I spent the most time on it

That's the great irony of it all. They made a big announcement about how all the old EU content was no longer going to be Cannon so they could make room for their new planned out and cohesive Cannon EU and it quickly became a complete mess as it tried to reconcile with each other and the movies that didn't even work together. The Old Legends could be messy at times, but it atleast had a system for sorting itself out when conflicting stories turned up.

Especially better then the high republic garbage

@Wyatt Koski It's superceded the comics. The comic isn't retconned entirely.

@@AshanBhatoa I remember reading Star Wars X-Wing: Rogue Squadrons by Michael A. Stackpole. The author has creativity similar to your channel's commitment.

@@ShamanMcLamie And they've reintegrated that system, make no mistake, but haven't actually admitted they have to keep the wool pulled over their blind lemming fanbase. "It's all canon, guys! Sure, the cowboy's over there with an ax cackling to himself as he undoes another creative's hard work, but trust us, it's CANON!" "Canon" is just a meaningless buzzword at this point!

Good said.

couldn't agree more

Why are you guys always overdramatizing things so hard, it's supremely annoying. What petty lifes you all must have. Must be tough being that bitter for years now.

@@Lr.Laecro.Lirus3445 The movie is a movie by committee. Story treads set up in The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi either go nowhere or are retroactively changed. Rey’s parents being “nobodies” in The Last Jedi, only to have this movie say, just kidding, she’s the grand daughter of Emperor Palpatine. How there is zero explanation for Palpatines return from the dead. How him being brought back spits in the face of Vader’s sacrifice at the end of ROTJ. How Finn has NOTHING to do in this film. How Rey and Ben are basically the same character by the end of the film. How the Knights of Ren are barely used. How Palpatine is killed by Rey making an X with her lightsaber. How she, a Palpatine descendant is now the sole holder of the Skywalker name. I could go on and on. This movie was absolutely garbage. The idea that the filmmakers had 30 years in real time to nail down a story and THIS was the best they could do is absolutely absurd at best and horrifyingly awful at worst. This wasn’t a film…..it was an ending by committee. You’re more than welcome to enjoy such a thing. But filmmakers in the late 1970’s, early 1980’s made 100X better Star Wars films and had to work 1000X to make it happen, I call low efferent garbage out when I see it.

​@@roc5291 Most of your points have all long been debunked, but to be quite honest, I'm definetely not gonna waste time explaining it all to you. All I'm gonna say is, because a movie has inconsistencies and plot holes, it somehow is not a movie? What? Search the term "movie" again maybe.

Thank god. I need to play that game when I finish the KOTOR duology

Better late than never

Yeah i remember that. The clone wars republic issues are so good. Unpopular opinion: I prefer saleucami to jabiim cuz it is a culmination of awesomeness

"I loved You as a son, a student and as a friend, until we meet again, may the force be with you "

Her and steven barnes. Cestus deception’s main plot might be hit or miss at *BEST* but DAMN, without Jangotat the clone, the foundation for fleshing out these soldiers would never have been made. #RespectJangotat

Eh…Republic Commando was decent but she did kinda go too far in making the Mandos Mary Sues in conjunction with her anti-Jedi bias on a ridiculous level.

@@georgelabe-assimo4365 Wait.....Karen Traviss Hates Jedi. I am getting more and MORE afraid of reading LOTF

@@clonetrooper2003 it is painful, but also inspiring. Traviss may not like Jedi, but I thought she wrote Luke, Mara, Han, Leia and Jaina quite well and respectfully.

Well, legends is already a dofferent timeline. Thise stories are connected and they form one universe. But the issue is, it's freezed. No new stories.

@@emzonik8851 I don’t try to brag about this much but I’m making a Star Wars series that replaces the sequels. I’m bringing in people like Finn and rey(and yes even Rose) and also legends characters like the solo children. I’m trying to unite the sequel and eu fans together

@@nelsonproductions6725 So its kinda legends and canon crossover story. Nice

@@emzonik8851 basically. And I try to add new stories since it felt like the sequels were a copy of the ot

Read the rest of the Thrawn trilogy, then you should go for the X-wing Rogue squadron books next, I'm on the third one myself and they're fantastic. The OT main characters barely feature in them so far and honestly I don't even mind, the Rogue squadron crew and other characters are so compelling I don't feel that Luke, Leia or Han have to take center stage here.

Imagine a dimension where both the sequels and the EU were both canon and all star wars fans could live in peace and harmony

It is the fan's choice. Not just prequels and OT, but for KOTOR, Force Unleashed, Kyle Katarn series and those who has learned the full art of Thrawn.

Yes

@@tyvamakes5226 Actually that's what Pablo and Matt Marrin said. TRUE Canon isn't decided ny them but by each of us. Their official cano is just for them.

It's not "legends"... It's the EXPANDED UNIVERSE

@@rcdune7132 that's right. I refuse to use any term besides "EU", "the real star wars", and sometimes, "what really happened" Hey y'all there's an EU book club we're trying to start on discord. If you're interested reply your discord name and tag and I'll invite you tonight

Agreed this video really inspired me to continue fanart of the EU and to never give up defending it on its relevancy

Kyle Katarn >>>>>>>>>>>> Finnn

No shit

But hey at least its safe from disney’s writers am i right

​@@clonetrooper2003Yes. Still, we'll never get a Dooku novel from Luceno in the mold of Plagueis, thanks to the Disney buyout. We won't get books about Operation Durge's Lance or actually interesting Dark Times books either. We won't get anymore good games, or comics.

@@fiddlesticks7245 YEah, all we have are to rely on HandOfThrawn45's fan fiction to keep us happy

@@clonetrooper2003 Who?

And a 2 houre retrospective on the clone wars multimedia project plz

That microseries was great. You should check out the rest of the multimedia project

@@clonetrooper2003 oh I have the novel tie-ins but not the comics. I’m not really a comic person

@@keepmovingforward1722 oh you *have* to read the clone wars era republic comics. Quinlan Vos is a fantastic character, Jabiim and Saleucami are awesome arcs, and Anakin’s already great character is geared up into a true war hero for rots

Clone wars micro series. Killed by grievous

I do. Same applies to ajunta pall for me tbh

The bong were lazy as villains imo, as you said they're orc aliens. but they were kinda cool tho 😎

Disney might bring the Vong back in a future film or project but without the biotech. Their new name is the Grysk.

It's a crime to not name Darth Zannah ya know.

@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk The best female non-Jedi is obviously No Jedi, both in terms of actual character and looks.

Indeed

Han solo trilogy is great ngl. Muurgh is one of the nost underrated star wars chatacwtrs ever. It would have been badass if he met cheiwe

Thrawn trilogy and njo indeed

Its doing well! So chances are pretty good!

Thank you 🙏🏾!

Amen, mi amigo

Yah to bad most sold out.

Ah yes, Darth Crate. I wonder how many people call him Darth Crate, it'd be quite funny.

Darth Krayt.

What ab tcw?

@@Jiub_SNtcw doesn't fit into legends

Juno Eclipse??

@@clonetrooper2003 was she in the books?

@@Jiub_SN she was in the force unleashed novelizations

Awesome

That's what head canon is for. Only your canon should be true for you.

Ysanne Isard and Kirtan Loor were the best part of those books ngl

Yeah, I know he transferred his essence by for the sake of the video I didn’t want to get into a long analogy on what had transpired. I probably will do a video on dark Empire this Sunday

@@TheFirstOkiro Nice. You could also bting up the topic of the chosen one in regards to that story.

He likes to retcon to trigger nitpicking fans. Same Hollywood mockery as anyone else.

Multiverse sounds ok though

No But the only good thing to come out of Disney is rogue one

@@saberiandream316 I can't tell who's side your on lmao, but filoniwars is definitely terrible. He'll completely retcon a film characters while personality for a pay off

@@Jiub_SN I was condemning it, same as you.

Legends was always its own thing that was always going to be retconned by the films. George Lucas’s sequel trilogy retconned legends

​​@@BuzzingMeatNot true. There were 6 tiers of canon. And before you try to handwave that fact away, go look it up.

I also DON'T want the universes crossing over. Please, just no.