You think that the movies that made the I don't f*cking like sand meme is a mother f*cking masterpiece

@@YSL8704 They aren't perfect. But they sure as hell aren't as bad as people let on.

You can't just ignore flaws and say it's better than the ot.

@@malcolmjenkins3585 I never did

@@burniejarvis9298 Yeah I can see but there still not masterpieces

I agree. With all her political scenes cut, her role in RotS is reduced to "sad pregnant wife."

I thought the same, I would’ve loved to see more of her history & personal life, I feel like it would’ve made the movies a little better too :/

Well it had to be expected , in episode 1 the most disliked scenes were the political scenes and unfortunately george lucas does listen to his fanbase so he decided to ut short on these , unfortunately most of padme 's fight is inherently political .

Cinematically though, they contributed nothing, and made the pacing grind to a halt. The only way past that is to cut. That's why the Prequels, should have been, an HBO series. The Mandalorian and Game of Thrones is what the Prequels wanted to be, which is why the Clone Wars & Rebels animated shows did so well too. The universe of Star Wars and the stories its trying to tell are book series length and deep. They need room to breathe, and you can't do that in a movie format. It's just not enough room to buildup and deepen threads.

@@BrandanLee I agree. I actually feel there is still a chacne to do that with the PT story, since there are such important gaps between both 1 and 2, and 2 and 3. They could fill those with further stories and characterization (they would need new actors for certain parts obviously). I feel that is what this new Obiwan show is trying to be, kind of a redemption to the Prequels.

Then you're not a real Star Wars fan dumbass!

@@MichaelM28 ok disney shill

@@MichaelM28 George Lucas and his vision is Star Wars. He completed his story with episodes 1-3.

I agree.

same!

It's no coincidence that tons of games and dozens of seasons of clone wars exist now.

Exactly especially that it tells a better clear story than the sequels, and to be honest I find that the prequels and the original expanded universe along with the original trilogy, especially the latter two actually focus on world building and its heroes and its villains like with Star Wars Legacy which I actually find pretty good and interesting as Cade Skywalker is his own person as he is the opposite of both Luke and Anakin, along with Darth Krayt and I find that unlike Kylo Ren, he does have a interesting backstory, especially when it turns out that in a twist that he was a Jedi from a issue of Star Wars Republic and he only appeared in just one issue, but it turns out that he is the main villain of the story the whole time, along with the prequels giving Darth Vader reasons why he turned along with showing Obi-Wan Kenobi though heroic and noble a man with his own flaws, and the fact that in the third films of the two trilogies that the end of the era is set by two heroes one that is fallen and the other who is not, and that it ends with Anakin’s fall at one end, while the other ends with his redemption and death as well.

@@andrewpye2114 Finally someone who agrees sure the expanding universe can be weird but I can live with that it helps expand the universe the galaxy and the world.

the world building is insane. i think the casual viewer would find that kinda boring though and nerdy. lowkey it is nerdy though but i dont think it's boring lol

No just no. World-building means providing a setting and interesting lore that fleshes out and makes the world feel real. Not simply putting cgi shots in the background that hold like garbage today. The plot makes absolutely no sense and the politics are more confusing than anything because they repeat the word trade and senator a million times thinking that is interesting politics

Everything alright?

I fell in love with a woman I couldn’t be with. I’ve felt all the rage he has. I relate to Anakin more than any character I’ve seen.

Don't be bad like Anakin

I didn’t like that Luke barely reacted to his aunt and uncle being burned to death. Already he felt kinda inhuman and emotionless. But he got way better in the second movie when he reacts to learning Vader was his father.

Once you lose about 6 close family members in your life you'll get used to it

He never got a sympathetic original story in the garbage prequels. He was written to be an unlikeable brat instead of the hero he was described as to Luke in ANH. We hate the prequels because George Lucas fucked up nearly every character in it!

@@MichaelM28. Someone hasn't watched the Clone Wars. During the Clone Wars, Anakin become more mature.

@@MichaelM28 people like you are the reason G Lucas sold Star Wars. The same types of people pumping out that garbage you're proliferating got to give it a go and it was a disaster. So thanks for helping turn Star Wars into a dumpster fire

@@MarioLandscape The Clone Wars animated series (the second one with Ahsoka) didn't exist when the prequel trilogy came out. It's good planning, but poor execution. They could have been amazing but were closer to meh, and a missed opportunity.

@@MichaelM28 a kid who grew up as a slave, had to be seperated from his mother from a very young age, being doubted from pretty much everyone. He wasnt able to save his mother and she was brutally murdered after being tortured for god knows how long. He gave up his entire life for a chance to not lose his wife and child the same way but in the end, it all turned out to be for nothing. He lost his friends, his life, his future, his body, his soul and in the end, it all counted for absolutely nothing but a life of agony and misery. Anakin was not a bad person. He was flawed in countless ways but to many he was also the hero of the Republic.

I've always wondered what these fans actually expected. What preconceived notions did they have going into it?

@@s4mpson A copy-paste of the classics, maybe? Anakin being cool instead of hotheaded? The Jedi being more heroic and less narrow-minded....?

@@keithwilliams88 People don't like seeing real depth and nuance in their movies. They only want lip service to that sort of thing, which is why idiots jerked off to The Last Jedi. Most people have realised that the Disney Trilogy is complete garbage but many are still in denial about how good the Prequels actually are.

Lots of people would have been happier with Vader in the suit hunting down and killing Jedi, but that would have missed the point.

The prequels had badly written dialouges, clunky story, and bad characters. But it had lightsabers, so the kids still liked them. And people who grew up with them, have their nostalgic bonds to them.

Yes! Exactly!!!!

Indeed, Padmé also was a kind of tool for Palpatine. He used her for creating instability and war (Ep1) so he could get more political power.

Yep, love those deleted scenes, but I can still understand why they were cut

The worse part is that Padmé never really had a chance to process what Obi-Wan meant when he said that Palpatine was the Sith Lord. As the audience we know what Kenobi means, but Padmé didn’t understand that. But what if Padmé had the chance to process that information fully? Or what if she had the information that we knew from the Darth Plageus and Darth Bane books, as well as the Clone Wars series, and went through that entire information inside and out, top-to-bottom? How would Padmé feel, realizing that the Republic she loved was a sham for the past millennium?

True

I think what makes the prequel trilogy so special is that George wasn’t looking to invalidate or even compete with the original trilogy. He was trying to pay tribute to it by thinking of a story of what came before his own story. So even regardless of the execution of the prequel trilogy, his intent was always to honor and give weight to the originals

Agreed

Shmi Skywalker is a giant favorite of mine. She's such a lovely and heartwrenching character. I never understand why she's always on the short straw of folks talking with her.

Back when ROTS came out, lots of writers noticed the parallels with Sidious' rise to power and the Empire and fall of the Republic with the Iraq War in 2005, and it is more relevant with the Trump era. The fact that the Disney sequel films totally omit any political commentary is a huge failing.

@Kristopher Prime guess he sorta looks like biden idk biden has a thinner face

@@richardkim9952 Haha, well the Last Jedi certainly had some political commentary... *cough cough* Canto Bight *cough cough* Admiral Purple hair Holdo, they just arent the good kind, that covertly makes us draw connections and THINK as opposed to "This thing bad, feel guilty"

@@richardkim9952 But because a couple of lesbians kiss in the final film it's groundbreaking!

That proves why Anakin/ Vader is my favorite Star Wars character of all time period!

They lovely 🥰

It's why I hate the butthurt "you made Vader a bitch" fanbois. They never understood that Vader has ALWAYS been a tragic character. He's always under someone else's thumb in the OT, and the only time he actually uses his own agency is when he throws the emperor into the Death Start at the end of RoTJ. Some people would rather have shallow and one-dimensional "evil" instead of a very complex, nuanced villian that you get the sense is always actively struggling to snuff out that little ember of good that's still smoldering inside. The Prequels turned Anakin/Vader into one of the best-written and truly tragic characters ever created.

Underrated? Good one!

@@malcolmjenkins3585 yes underrated

@Sarah Carroll Oh it recontextualized the OT all right... While I haven't seen the OT, as someone who grew up on the prequel, when I saw a clip of Luke and Vader's conversation in the elevator to meet Palpatine, and Vader told Luke it was too late for him to turn from the dark side...? That moment alone broke my heart, because the prequels caused me to understand who Vader was. So watching that scene had me like:"It's not too late Anakin. If your son believes in you, then darn it, so do I! ;_; And if that resulted from the PT, I can't imagine what watching the OT in full will be like for me.

@@caseypayne5138 I'll go even further. Vader was always a tragic character but the Prequels didn't make him a little bitch. He's ALWAYS been a little bitch. In the Original Trilogy, people just didn't see it because of the cool suit, the Force powers, the lightsaber and James Earl Jones' awesome voice. Even his body language in the Original Trilogy - no disrespect to David Prowse because it actually fits Vader - tended to be that of a weak man pretending to be strong, like when he jabs his finger at people whilst telling them off. I remember seeing at least one comment about Rogue One which claimed that he "walks like a priss" even though Vader's walk in that movie is completely in line with his body language in the OT. The reason it worked was because the suit made him look intimidating and he had powers that only a fellow Force user could resist.

I'm starting to wonder if the media hit pieces on the Prequels were due to fear that they would help people wake up to how shitty the American government is. It wasn't only the fans that tore into them and considering the shit show that America is right now (thankfully, I don't live there), the Prequels were definitely a potent warning about what can happen when people manipulate the system. Biden's nowhere near smart enough to be Palpatine - I doubt he was even before his mind started to collapse - but his puppeteers might be and they don't want people to catch on.

@@tomnorton4277 Lucas always pulled from history and recent events to plunk things into Star Wars. The fighters are reminiscent of the dogfights in WWII, same with the trench run (dam busters, and there was a b/w movie that he drew from heavily for the entire sequence). Return of the jedi has the ewoks overcoming the empire, which was drawn from the US experience in Vietnam. In the lead up to RotS, the war on terror had just started, presidential powers and the security state were expanding at a rapid pace (the patriot act, department of homeland security) and GWB the US president famously said "either you are with us, or you are with the terrrorists." and Lucas took that and plunked it into star wars "if you're not with me, then you're my enemy." Nobody really _hated_ the prequel trilogy when it came out. It was just kind of meh. A lot of hard core star wars fans vehemently defended it against detractors, who were mostly casual fans who just didn't like them as much as the originals. It took the rise of social media in the late 00's for the vitriol to really get going. This can be epitomized in redlettermedia's tongue in cheek and deliberately over the top critique of the phantom menace. A lot of people took that as gospel and ignored the good things about the trilogy, and then took it to the nth degree. Add to that the polarization of literally everything in the US, and here we are.

@@nocrtnameexactly I'm pretty sure the prequels were always recieved well by the majority of fans when they came out. It wasn't until KZfaq started becoming a thing and all the pea brained whiney fans got on these platforms and went hardcore with this narrative.

@@tomnorton4277 ooo speaking a firey truth my friend!

@@tomnorton4277 the best thing of the prequels is jar jar Binks

YES!!! Could not agree more with "The Sedaiv." "This deserves more views."

It does

Patience, this channel will be huge

You’ve basically summed up why TLJ’s moral complexity always rung hallow for me

You sir, are a delusional fanboy. The movies are trash. The points on why they are trash are out there, so i wont get into it (watch the red letter media review for reference). Even Lucas would tell you that much. I mean, did you see the making of the Phantom menace? Everybody in that crew knew it was a bad movie including Lucas himself. When they previewed the movie and everybody in the crew had a face of utter disappointment and bewilderment is as much proof you can get that they weren't pleased with how it came out. The documentary was a truly sad, but laughable at the same time, such as the movies where. Anyone defending this either is really, and i mean really biased, or doesn't have any clue on what good cinema is.

@@AgentLemmon. You sir, are a delusional hater. The movies are great. The points on why they are amazing are out there, so I won't get into it. (A bunch of nonsense) Anyone hating this either is really, and I mean, really biased, or doesn't have a clue on what good cinema is.

Excellent analysis

@@MarioLandscape Strong rebuttal... Also, Anakin was considered to be whiney and bratty because the script was lazy and he acted childish, not because he is a conflicted deep character LMAO. There is a difference between hating a character because of their actions in the movie and hating a character because his dialogue is shit ad he acts like a six year old having a fit. Coolness has nothing to do with it. You'd probably would want him to get an Oscar or something for his portrayal of a deeply flawed and tortured character lol, come on son. You don't know movies apparantly

I used to be a huge Star Wars fan up until 2015 I was born in 2003, I watched TFA and my interest just fell of as a child. I always grew up loving the prequel era as that was my childhood, and just like you I had got back into it just before the real ease of TROS, I had gone in with a blank slate basically as I could barely remember a thing about the prequels and OT but I could vaguely remember the amount of hate the prequels got. I watched the prequels first (as you should) and was sort of hearing the hate till I watched ROTS and realised that this is phenomenal and the fact that it gets hate and is deemed a bad movie is unbelievable. Nothing made me feel like the prequels and how genius that story was and I am now a huge Star Wars fan again and a prequel fan for life

These stories were wrritten in the novelizations

@Kenobi Revenge of the Sith has NO flaws.

The ONLY thing that bothers me in ROTS is how quick the other 3 jedi get killed by Palpatine. That's it.

@@dontturnaround9592 well Palp was a SITH LORD, so what would you expect? My only even minor flaw l would say Ep 3 had was l wanted to see Ani do more damage at the jedi temple. We see him walk in there looking like a badass, and then all we get was a few secs of security footage later showing him fighting someone, but thats it.

@@KoolKeithProductions I agree Palps would have won the fight in the end no matter what but its four of the most powerful jedi against 1 sith. And one guy palps literally winded up and stabbed him in the chest which a real jedi master would've easily blocked. Still my favorite Star Wars movie tho.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/arqmh82FtJjMcX0.html Go to 0:22. Mans literally facing the wrong direction

Forget that, I want the original Lucas version planned for the sequels instead of what the Disney boards and committees came up with in 3 hours and a lunch break.

Well did you?

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Well, that's the point, it shouldn't be intricate, it shouldn't be a political drama epic, it shouldn't be boring, it shouldn't have the most one dimensional characters ever. It shouldn't look cheap. Describe one of the characters to me, you can't because every character has no character.

@@AgentLemmon to show the magnitude of how evil and destructive the empire was, the prequel and clone wars eta had to be broad and expansive to demonstrate the contracture of the empire and their dominance.as well as to illustrate how little hope the was in the galaxy to ever escape it. “Before the dark times, before the empire” - the contrast of the PT and OT eras is summed up in this line.

@@AgentLemmon eh imma do myself, a strong magnificent warrior who is perfect at everything (this is a joke btw, i'm really a cowardly robot who tries to put on a massive show to make myself look majestic, ya know the 4 lightsabers but even with 4 lightsabers there is no chance against big boi kenobi)

@@AgentLemmon "shouldn't be intricate/a political drama" George Lucas told the type of story he wanted to tell, not everyone liked it and that's fine but "shouldn't" isn't the word to use here. It has many flaws but tons of people love it anyway for what it attempted. While the characterizations could have been stronger they're not that hard to pick up if you're actually invested I'll describe Qui-Gon. He's generally gentle-mannered. He's extremely outspoken. Has a "things happen for a reason" attitude. Does what he thinks is right even at the expense of his friends' approval and feelings, but is not cold. Is very spiritual and respects what he perceives as the will of the universe, single-mindedly focused on fulfilling what he sees as his purpose at any given moment. He acts irreverent towards other people as often as not, can be a bit rude or inconsiderate, but is essentially a kind, empathetic man doing his best to help those around him. Values truth over convention. Seems to reserve most of his patience for when he's teaching lol. Not afraid to tell it like he sees it but is not forceful except in words. Seems to like kids. I wish we'd gotten more about him, but that's just some stuff I pulled off the top of my head from the one movie he was in. Anakin, as another example, has I think the strongest characterization of all as an arrogant, headstrong, highly idealistic boy who wants to do good and help people but is ultimately too emotionally immature and so afraid of things not going his way that he turns into King Murder. It's very compelling, if you like that kind of story. Not every story is everyone's cup of tea but that doesn't mean it's bad.

i was shown the OT as a kid, but I got to see the PT in theaters and I even now I still love them.

@@TheFirstOkiro the prequels have a great story but it's just poorly told

@@winglessmecha I hear that a lot but I still can't really figure out what that actually means

@@VibingMeike the prequels were about characters/story and not agendas or subverting expectations. Thats what I meant when I said "back when it was good"

@@winglessmecha Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about TPM and not about Star Wars as a whole, my apologies

It helps that George Lucas knew where he wanted to go in the trilogy. He had a series of plot points he knew he had to hit and he did a great job.

Now we know what it's like when they don't have a plan. Thanks sequels

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Especially Obi-wan! How he went from this young, sort of brash Padawan in "The Phantom Menace" to the wise mentor we see in "A New Hope"

@@MelonTartVA yes ! That intergalactic coming of age arc alone would have filled numerous seasons in streaming these days

Oh, come on! "PERFECTLY"? Even the most starry eyed fan boy can't possibly really believe that! Have you ever seen any other movies?

​@@jraelien5798have you?

@@jraelien5798 When you actually look into what ANakin's life is like, the cringe dialogue makes it better, as you can tell ANakin is broken, uncertain, not getting the proper care and raising he in his unique situation needs. Being manipulated by others. Anakin is broken.

@@TheZamaron Your mind is broken

@@jraelien5798 No it’s pretty rational.

Glad I found this video. Those scenes would've been great to see in theaters. Mother of Rebellion indeed.

Thank you so much! I agree. The characters of the OT and PT are vastly different and are thrown into different situations. Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme are thrown into a conflict that the OT characters just weren't in. I can't ignore Padme's arc because honestly the deleted scenes in ROTS and especially AOTC make her into a vastly more interesting character and I wish we could get them remastered and put into the films on Disney +. She's a really underrated character

"...but in a way she represents the spirit of the republic dying (the implication being that that spirit lives on in Leia..." This is something that the EU also understood, hence why Leia was so involved in the political sphere of the New Republic and Luke wasn't.

There is an argument that Palpatine is THE greatest villain in cinema. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gr6jjMaVvcfFZ30.html I personally agree with this take. People push themselves to make the most psychologically complex villains and this is a great way to flesh out an antagonist but it can also lead to the audience sympathising with them. George Lucas is more than capable of doing this, as shown by Darth Vader and, despite his limited screen time, Count Dooku. With so many varying motivations, backstories and psychologies among villains however, there's always going to be a degree of personal bias when it comes to choosing the best one. Do you prefer a tragic villain like Joaquin Phoenix's Joker? A man who truly believes he's fighting for the greater good like Thanos? A sociopathic narcissist with mommy issues like Azula? With so many to choose from, the only way you can find the best of all time using anything that even approaches objectivity is by looking at how well a villain achieved their goals. And in that regard, Palpatine is unparalleled. I challenge you to find any other villain who had an entire galaxy bowing at his feet. Palpatine is the Star Wars incarnation of Satan himself. This isn't just an interpretation, this comes directly from George Lucas who outright stated "Palpatine represents the Devil." He has no complex psychological problems, no traumatic past, nothing that is designed to make you root for him or sympathise with him. The Devil himself waltzed into the Republic, tore it apart from the inside, eliminated the Jedi Order, and corrupted their Chosen One, which was little more than a side project because he didn't NEED Anakin to achieve his goal. He already had it all planned out before Anakin turned up so turning him to the Dark side was just a bonus. Darth Vader was just Palpatine's trophy and he waved him in Obi-Wan, Yoda and the other surviving Jedi's faces to make his victory sting them just a little bit more. Palpatine is the worst of the worst, the ultimate evil in the Star Wars universe and the most terrifying thing about him is that he WON. It was a victory that only lasted for 2 decades but no less legitimate than it would be if it had lasted as long as the Republic's 1000 year history. Palpatine ripped the government apart from the inside and showed how fragile democracy is when evil people take advantage of it. Hell, the Disney Trilogy is complete trash but in a weird way, The Rise of Skywalker solidified Palpatine AKA Satan's victory. It was done through sheer incompetence because Abrams and Terrio had no idea what they were doing, not to mention they completely butchered Palpatine in the process (he would never announce himself to the Galaxy because 1) he has absolutely no concept of fair play so he wouldn't give his enemies a fighting chance and 2) he thrives when he's operating behind the scenes), but at the end of the day, Rey did EXACTLY what the Emperor wanted her to do by killing him. If you apply simple logic to the moronic setup that Abrams and Terrio provided, Palpatine is now hanging out in his granddaughter's body, basking in the glory of finally destroying the entire Skywalker line.

I'm sure your father would've loved ROTS. It's always been my dad's favorite for years of the PT. Anakin and Obi-wan's arc flowed well in ROTS, but yeah, Padme's arc was always the weakest link, and there are other deleted scenes that I didn't even put in the video. It's actually ironic, with all of Padme's deleted scenes put back into the film, she has more agency than even Obi-Wan and carries the world-building aspect of the trilogy. I'm still lost why so much was cut there.

Damn... Your comment legitimately just got me teared up, mate. My dad died when I was five, but I really enjoyed watching Star Wars with my mom. She passed away in 2003, so she never got to watch Revenge of the Sith either.

RIP if only he lived a bit longer or better lived far longer

@@alexbastos6960 I'm sorry for your loss, both of you

@@HideousSideous I appreciate it, mate.

Don't forget the SOUND of his podracer. The scene where he's directly behind Anakin still gives me chills

I’ll die defending Mace

I like Mace Windu because George combined every flaw of the Jedi Order into one character. Arrogance? Check. Hypocrisy? Check. Inflexibility? Check. Lack of faith? Check. Mace Windu embodies every single flaw in the Jedi Order whilst also having enough good traits to be seen as a good guy - he went out of his way to rescue Obi-Wan in AOTC and in TCW, he was conflicted about the extermination of the Zillo Beast - and he does all this whilst looking badass. Also, I'd argue that Windu is Samuel L Jackson's most iconic character. Jackson was already a celebrated actor before Star Wars and has remained a celebrated one since, but Windu is the only character I know of in his filmography that is completely unique from both the other characters he's played and Samuel himself. If you watch the behind the scenes of the Star Wars Prequels, he's actually a laid back guy who has fun on set. He's also made a career by playing characters who yell "motherfucker", which is so well known as a Samuel L Jackson word that Nick Fury tries to say it before he's snapped out of existence by Thanos. With Mace Windu, Jackson was actually allowed to do something different and set the character apart from all the rest. He's cool and calm but also inflexible, arrogant, hypocritical and has a dark edge which is represented by his purple lightsaber and manifests while he's fighting Palpatine. Just look at Jackson's eyes when he holds Palpatine at blade point. Windu is teetering on the edge of the Dark side, he is legitimately ready to kill Sidious, and unlike Anakin with Dooku, he's past the point of caring about the Jedi Code.

Very true however mace windu most likely set anakin off to the dark side. I'm not saying he wasn't close already but before he saved Palpatine he begs windu to give him a chance to stand trail. This is a list of multiple instances where he saw the jedi order break its own rules. This and the need for Palpatines power to save padme set him fully to the Dark side.

@@Mattchu.the.Pikachu Well, I mean, Windu was right. Palps was too dangerous to be left alive since he had control of the Senate. And I don't really see how that flies in the face of Jedi values either since one of their tenets is "don't sacrifice a thousand lives to save one" 🤷‍♀

He was still responsible for putting anakin on the path to the dark side

If you like the garbage prequels you're not a real Star Wars fan dumbass!

@@MichaelM28 you know you're the problem not the prequels you are aloud dislike them but leave your toxic hatred out of it

I'd say the Originals are actually slightly worse than the Prequels. For example, implying incestuous feelings between Luke and Leia, which I know was a mistake but that doesn't excuse it, is far worse than any of the flaws in the Prequels.

@@tomnorton4277 I always said Luke and Leia being siblings was the worst recon in SW.

In 20 years, people will say the same about the sequels I think, despite how meh they were.

@@arveduim8024 In 20 years, people will either hate the Disney Trilogy or will have outright forgotten it. That train wreck will age terribly, unlike George Lucas' Star Wars movies.

@@tomnorton4277 But the prequels are often fondly remembered by those who saw them as children, we can now acknowledge what was wrong with them, but like them still. The same will happen with the kids that grew up with these films I think. Nostalgia is a powerful weapon.

@@arveduim8024 It won't work with the Disney Trilogy. They used up their Nostalgia by ripping off so much from the better movies instead of creating new memories that people will look back on fondly.

A lot of it too has to do with how fans and haters go about talking about Anakin's character too. I hate how if they say mainstream bs justifications as oh he's inexpierenced and doesn't know how to flirt and the jedi supress everything it's just simply not true and they miss everything. All of that is simply not the way to go about talking about Anakin's character. It cheapens, stereotypes, and undermines the character and lore. It makes it waaayy less interesting and generic and it's simply not how it's meant to come across at all and it's certainly how I don't interpret it as. The more things like this are said it never goes away and keeps propagating dumb bullshit and justifications smh.

@@anthonygarcia8749 Kind of disagree about Anakin not knowing how to flirt. It can be seen as a character flaw and I think it's something that humanizes him, not cheapens his arc. But that's how I choose to interpret it because it makes sense to me regarding his backstory and I think it falls within the realm of possibility. And it's canon that the Jedi taught themselves to repress their emotions. Of course, that doesn't mean that there wasn't more going on than that, multiple things can be true at once sometimes.

@@AnimaVox_ but it's simply not true to see in that light and I can disagree with that interpretation. Multiple things can be true sometimes from a subjective point of view and how one chooses to see it. In other words, why must this always be heard and given validity? it's annoying and paints a bad picture. And Anakin often speaks to Padmé in a sophisticated and eloquent manner. Anakin and Padmé are both mature in their own ways. Anakin is sincere and direct and open about his feelings but respectful. Padmé attempts to be professional and responsible and not encourage this since it's forbidden and deny her desires. Things are taken at face value and twisted and put into this stigmatized and stereotyped box. It's not about flirting or any of those when it comes to Anakin and Padmé. Also, it's not that they repress their emotions, they must control and not let it cloud them. Jedi still express their emotions and they all have flaws but a good jedi overcomes these flaws and they believe in compassionate love, not possessive love which is selfish and tends to your own desires and not accepting people have their own fates. Compassionate love means helping and being in service of others and keeping the peace, that's what they believe. Anakin was stuck in between both of that and both of them in general were in a conflict of love and duty. In scenes like the lake or fireplace she ALREADY likes him a great deal and genuinely cares for him but chooses to not encourage this relationship for the reasons mentioned above. Also where would Anakin find the time to focus on love when he's training all those years and going on many adventures and exploits with Obi-Wan and can't sleep well due to nightmares of his mother. All this takes a toll on him but thinking of Padmé calms him down and soothes him. He only had eyes for her and only thought of her she left such an impression on him. He knew what to say to her exactly and compliments her and goofs around with her and they connect because he ignites a feeling in her that no one else does and allows her not take herself so seriously and they just have fun and chatter and everything. At the same time you can't impose dumb social norms or put any sort of cultural standard on it. Just let it be. But by saying that.type of stuff just denigrates it and paints a bad picture and perception that keeps getting propagated and then people wonder why the subtlety and nuance and overlooked and underrated aspects don't get talked about enough. It's because of discourse like that. It just sucks and feels like I'm the only person who hates seeing in that sort of context because again it just feels generic and cheapened and stereotypes into some whatever type of teen romance smh. Also the certain things that Anakin says are misconstrued as "oh he doesn't know how to flirt" or whatever when it's not meant to be seen in that light at all. There's certain things that he says that are meant to be taken sincerely and not tongue in cheek. Shakesperean in nature and with Padmé as well. Most fans fail to defend the romance and explain because they misconflate and misconstrue the intentions and meaning of the characters and what they're and saying and doing themselves.

@@anthonygarcia8749 I understand what you're saying, and to a degree, I agree. Do I think George intended those scenes to come off like Anakin was socially awkward? Probably not. It's like you said, the dialogue is very Shakespearean, which is not something many people realize because they also fail to understand Shakespeare. It's supposed to be melodramatic and Shakespeare wrote Romeo & Juliet like that on purpose, since it was meant to poke fun a bit at how fickle young love is. So I get where you're coming from. I personally choose to interpret it slightly different because I think it fits with his Jedi background and is a reflection of how the Order treated him specifically. At the end of the day, I prefer a blunt, slightly socially awkward Anakin to the cookie-cutter caricature we got in TCW, which was further off-base from his film and comics counterpart. And him using flowery prose and it seeming silly to people (again, Shakespearean language) doesn't devalue his feelings for Padmé at all; if anything, it makes me realize how far he went to win her over. Anakin's flirting being interpreted as awkward does not take away from the character's sincerity in expressing his feelings, and I can actually see it as adding authenticity to his development. Besides, it's not like he seemed awkward all the time: the only scenes I could even consider to be awkwardly flirty with them are the sand and confession scenes. Which makes sense that they'd be nervous in those scenes because they're expressing their feelings for each other for the first time and they're probably both new to the whole experience considering how busy they've both been kept for most of their lives. The beauty of art is that it can be evaluated both objectively and subjectively, and things like this can be open to interpretation while also taking into account authorial intent. All that being said, it's obvious that George was going for a specific style of speech and simultaneously wanted to place more emphasis on the visual side of filmmaking than the dialogue. The Shakespearean-like fashion the characters speak in is just meant to be how they talk in the Galaxy. This doesn't necessarily contradict the interpretation that Anakin might not know how to flirt, I think both can be valid ways of seeing things. Yes, Jedi are supposed to be all those good things you mention, but the reality is that they were just as flawed as everyone else and were blinded by their hubris. Hence why Luke ultimately rejects the aspect of their teachings regarding emotions to save his father. Qui-Gon was the only example in the prequels of the ideal Jedi, but he died and with it, so did his approach. This is something that was done deliberately too. The other Jedi put too much emphasis on control and not enough on what to do when someone finds himself losing control. They weren't the bad guys, they were simply flawed people with a few flawed ideals. Just my two cents.

@@AnimaVox_ I agree on a lot of what you said but still disagree with the whole flirting thing and I also wanna add to some great stuff you brought up. In terms of the flirting I'll frankly won't and never wanna see it like that and again gets misconstrued and misinterpreted as such in certain scenes. Also that's just the thing like you said he is not awkward. He's direct, sincere, charming, fun, reckless, stubborn. But he's a flawed human with genuine fears and concerns and vulnerabilities and pain and frustrations. Very complex and nuanced. Also why does a teen have to be depicted as some awkward kinda dude who can't flirt. Like he can still be and just in general you can be naturally charming and know what to say it's not rocket science to feel for someone and express feelings for them to which he does do quite openly and with Padmé alone. But why does a teen who (not saying this is Anakin. Just saying in general for teens) may stumble on his words or not know how to articulate his feelings for whatever reason around the girl he loves or cares for why does that have to be seen as awkward and somewhat shameful by some? It's just human and natural and this goes for teen or young adult or adult. But moreover, that lake scene gets misinterpreted like crazy. That line "I don't like sand. It's course and rough and irritating" carries huge subtext that is often missed. He says this in response to Padmé talking about her upbringing on Naboo and as a kid she would dry her feet on the sand and hence why he says that line because he's relating to what she's saying and telling her his upbringing and how shitty it was but in a tongue in cheek kinda way he wasn't taking himself so seriously here and he said it cheerfully and with a smile. How tf is that misinterpreted as nervous or whatever? But he resents his upbringing on Tatooine and lowkey masking the guilt he feels from leaving his mother behind on a desolate planet covered in sand and full of unpleasantries and intense heat and sand storms on top of being born into slavery. He conveys all this with that. It's the little things and the subtlety and nuance that must be payed attention to. But he proceeds to say "But not like here everything feels soft and smooth" he's talking about Naboo and how beautiful it is and how different it is than his home planet of tatooine and also within saying that is meaning Padmé and how beautiful and nice she is and so he caresses her because he wants to pursue his own desires and engage in a relationship despite attachment being forbidden according to the jedi which gets misinterpreted and misconstrued as well and Padmé here who ALREADY is into him and genuinely likes and cares for him a great deal is reluctant to repond to his affection because she doesn't wish to encourage this further and resist her desires and resist falling in love but she loses herself here in this moment and they both share a passionate kiss but then stops and breaks away and Anakin respectfully apologizes and doesn't force himself and then they just look onward at the landscape and were a bit unsettled in a normal human and natural way. Each step closer means a step backwards because they can't engage in a relationship. It's a conflict over love and duty. I absolutely hate and don't care for TCW Anakin. It's not Anakin it's like an entirely different character. Matt Lanter's voice is just jarring and offputting compared to Hayden and Matt Lucas' soft spoken yet fierce and stern voice when need be. TCW Anakin is devoid of all the complexity, warmth, and nuance of Hayden Anakin and Matt Lucas Anakin. He's cheapened and again stereotyped into some typical jocky kinda character that just has an anger issue and kills whenever he feels like that and walks away like it's all good. George said in casting Hayden he wanted someone who can convey the light side but also have the undercurrent of the dark side to work with as opposed to someone who's just lighthearted all the time. When Hayden killed the sand people, the very people who kidnapped and tortured his mother he was in tears and trying to process what he'd done and it truly affected him and you understand and sympathize with him yet he truthfully admits he hated them, again understandably so. Even with killing Dooku he was conflicted and reluctant prior to beheading him but that nudge from Palpatine tipped him over and part of him wanted to do it anyways and so he goes through with it and is again lowkey unsettled but remains objective on the task at hand and proceeds to lead them out and save them all. Even with killing Mace Windu he expresses remorse and regret and even after all he had done with order 66 he still shed a tear and was in internal anguish. Do we see any of this with TCW Anakin? Nope. So yup agreed he's inferior to the og Anakin.

Or extended edition like the lord of the rings trilogy.

I wasn't even a child.

It’s a beautiful, compelling story and a modern tragedy. It’s something I love to go back to and watch because it makes me so emotional to see it. It’s just a good trilogy. It doesn’t need no other labels

Let’s not forget episodes 1 and 2 and especially 1 almost nothing happened for an entire movie. I’ve grown to appreciate the prequels (especially after the completion of the sequel trilogy which has its own almost parallel problems of its own) but the prequels will always have bad dialogue, awkward direction, outdated CGI, confusing motives, goofy moments, blah blah they’re no masterpiece lol

@@Buttcakes15 Exactly. Nowadays people treat these movies like they're the Godfather trilogy and Lucas is Scorcese. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that people find good in them - these were my childhood, I love them to death and there's a good story underneath the garbage but I also recognize how shitty they are. These movies don't care about continuity: countless OT plotholes/inconsistencies are created. While groundbreaking at the time, the CGI looks horrible nowadays - the emphasis should've been on practical effects like in the OT & ST to make sure it'd age better. The directing and cinematography are mostly bland and uninteresting & the screenplays aren't great. The writing isn't good, there's a ton of exposition dump scenes where the characters are just walking around. Most of the villains suck and some of the fights aren't well executed and lack emotion. Duel of the Fates is the best in the franchise though. The only thing that saves this trilogy from being a complete trainwreck is that there's great worldbuilding and ROTS is actually a decent film. It's still not great, but it's like a 5/10 while the other two are like 2/10's. What saves ROTS are the gut-wrenching emotional scenes. Order 66 is tragic because we know from the trilogy that despite their flaws the jedi are good people. Seeing them killed by their own soldiers is extremely tragic. Anakin vs. Obi-Wan mainly works because Obi-Wan works well all throughout the trilogy and their relationship is well established. But then the first two films are completely lackluster. Anakin's character is all over the place: in TPM he's a good willed kid and doesn't really do much, in AOTC he's an unlikeable, whiny, creepy brat and then suddenly in ROTS he's the hero he's described to be in the OT. Anakin's and Padmé's romance is terribly executed. I get that Anakin would fall for Padmé but there's no reason Padmé would fall for Anakin because as I mentioned Anakin is just an annoying shitbag for the entire second film, he's creepy and he's quite a few years younger than Padmé. If he was treated as a heroic, yet conflicted character all throughout it'd make sense that Padmé would like him and it'd make his fall all the more tragic. Which leads me to the fact that his fall to the dark side makes no sense. He goes from being a heroic & well-intentioned but conflicted jedi knight to murdering children in a matter of hours. There's like two scenes that lead up to this in the trilogy. You could argue Palpatine manipulated him, but that just makes Anakin look like an idiot, especially since he still trusts him after he admits to being a sith lord. Film is of course by nature, subjective. But what I'm talking about is fairly objective criticism. Anyone who's knowledgeable about film or writing would probably agree that this trilogy has a lot of issues that completely tear it apart. Also I am aware TCW fixes a lot of the trilogy, especially ROTS - and after seeing TCW ROTS actually doesn't have many issues for me besides the dialogue. However I'm judging it as a trilogy. I'm not taking the outside content into perspective because that's an unfair advantage and without TCW these films are much, much worse. TL;DR: The trilogy is fun to watch and I love it, but it can be broken apart very easily and it's not a masterpiece - they're mediocre movies that we're all attached to due to nostalgia. Something like Godfather, the Dark Knight, LOTR or Logan I could consider to be a masterpiece but the prequels are most definitely not.

@@SWFT_edits Wtf have I just read?

@@dasmeepus1420 You just read an essay of pretentious notes passed off as objective criticism. The prequel trilogy does not deserve half the hate it gets. The dialogue is not half as bad as they think: it is flatly utilitarian and not stylistic, but it works. Notwithstanding grand delusions to the contrary, most do not come across as any better while mustering the courage to ask out girls, and engaging in their first conversations, than the awkward-appearing Anakin from Attack of the Clones. That ropey-appearing dialogue is what makes him appear realistic. The only point which I think had some ground was why Padme would fall for Anakin. But even that provokes debate, a final answer though it may not afford. Perhaps, for all her mental maturity, she is still youthful, and just gave in to the charms of the young Jedi assigned to protect her. It could have been better executed, but one must recognize the constraints of the medium of a movie. Had it been a web series, perhaps, there could have been more room for depth and exploration.

The Last Jedi is complete garbage. Even if it wasn't part of Star Wars, it's a terrible movie on its own. However, I will give Rian Johnson a little bit of credit for one thing. At least he made something that's authentic to who he is as a human being. It's objectively shit but you can see Rian Johnson's fingerprints all over that movie. JJ Abrams' only halfway authentic finger print is his mystery box bullshit because he has absolutely no idea where he's going in ANY of his projects, never mind Star Wars, and constantly changes his mind. Rian Johnson went in a completely retarded direction but at least he COMMITTED to going in that direction.

@@tomnorton4277 well taste is subjective of course. Fair enough, if you don't like it, but imo JJ did waaay worse

Thank you for not being one of those fans that tries to ram down our throats why we shouldn't like the prequels haha

Mike Stoklarsehole is jealous of George Lucas. I don't need to be a psychologist to figure that out.

The Originals and the Sequels

@@thegoodreylo4749 The sequels are absolute garbage.

@@traviscunningham7062 Nothing is worse than the Prequel Trilogy.

@@thegoodreylo4749 Have you even paying attention or you just screwing around.

@@jaieregilmore971 Have I even paying attention? Get some sleep. You don’t want to be late for your first day of kindergarten!

dvd ? you mean blu ray

@@babalarassrah No, I didn't, but maybe it's on there. I wouldn't know.

I still read all the comments to these And I appreciate your warm words 💛