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Rings a bell…

Seems legit😮

Beat me to it sir, whooped my punkass right ti it. Bit much that, maybe? But for real, it's so sad that our institutions were such easy targets for George to use. So sad that our institutions have actually even come to that.

My thoughts exactly

I think we all remember the old "heroes on both sides" piece in the title crawl. There was an interesting chance to have a nuanced villian that's been lost. There's no sense running appologia for the separatists. It's entirely possible there were some lower ranked no names that were brought over by credible flaws in the system. But it's all destroyed when the seperatists have noone that is a no name because the no names are all robots.

Side with the republic Absolutely no way that’s going to bite you in the ass

Hahahahahahaha true

i am for the separatist dooku and its leaders were not evil

@@edwinoers They absolutely were. Wat Tambor ordered the bombing of civilian villages. Nute Gunray established fascistic trade regulations and blockaded planets until its inhabitants starved.

Too true. All people have their virtues and vices, and one rarely ever thinks of oneself as evil.

underrated episode

Agreed. I remember seeing in WW2 movies that Axis are normally considered villains, with Nazis shown as ruthless monsters in the holocaust to Japanese being portrayed as the main antagonists in many Pacific War movies. However, movies such as Grave of the Fireflies are big exceptions, which show the horrors the Japs lived in during the city bombings and the result of the war being lost, as well as some of the interment camps in America that show Americans as basically racist and no different than the Nazis running the death camps in Poland and Germany (plus we didn't imprison German or Italian immigrants, but rather only Japanese, even if they were descendants). And while the Nazis were quite evil in ways concerning the roots to the Holocaust (to the point that talking about WW2 in Germany is quite offensive), the Japanese, despite committing many war crimes, seemed to not be as bad as Italy and Germany. And the Allies were not innocent of war crimes, either. Basically, the war crimes committed by the Allies as well as the racist treatment to Japanese Americans can label both Allies and Axis countries as villains depending on the main characters. No human ever chose where to be born. Not everyone even is proud of the country they live in. And as a result, there is not total evil or total heroism in fights. Wherever you go, there are good and bad people on both sides.

The little musctach 1930s guy had legit grievances

Who? The valkiry worshiping heathen cucks and barbarians that got involved in a matter that didn't concern them in war where government were blamed for a humorous spontaneous event

I wouldn't be surprised if it were all planned socialists from the beginning

@@deemen7132Not even remotely similar but ok

​@@deemen7132 No; a lot of the people following "The little moustache 1930s guy" had legit grievances. "The little moustache 1930s guy" co-opted those grievances to control the populace. You shouldn't need this explained to you.

Exactly. The Galactic Republic was already very Empire-like.

He even agreed to gather up more droid soldiers from Separatist holdouts and join the Rebels in their fight against the Empire. If only we could've actually seen it play out in the show.

You know the first character that flashed through my mind when I read this was Grievous? Dude literally changed his name to represent eternal mourning for a partner lost in war. PTSD extreme

Where might I find out more about those timelines?

​@@Loneguy22 The archives of our own are incomplete... You can remedy this by recovering the tales yourself. Write down your findings and upload them to the database. We thank you for your services, young scholar. I do know some finer details about one such timeline. In it, when Sidious calls on Dooku to betray Ventress, he refuses, putting contingency plans of his own into action. Ventress is alerted by him of Sidious' plans, hard evidence of who Palpatine truly is, is sent to the Jedi and the Republic Senate. Sidious, in turn, retaliates with the claim that the evidence is fabricated, but after a Jedi investigation is launched, he is forced to execute order 66 prematurely, and more forcefully coup the Senate, arresting most senators, and using the clone army to implement martial law, transforming the Republic into the Empire with far less popular support than he had in the timeline we're all familiar with. As a result, those who would have otherwise gone on to join or form the Rebel Alliance, instead join up with Dooku's separatists, including many of the surviving Jedi, including Plo Koon, Anakin, Yoda and Kenobi, while various others die, either trying to confront Sidious, such as Windu, or shot down by the clones during Order 66, such as Mundi. Many more survive than was the case in our timeline, though, due to it still being earlier into the Clone Wars, and the Jedi being more alert and on edge due to the circumstances than they were in our timeline, when the war was already all but won. Dooku, embracing a more grey mindset, allies with Talzin and the Nightsisters too, using Ventress as an intermediary for those purposes. Sidious, deprived of an apprentice, and with Anakin having slipped through his fingers, attempts to salvage the situation by finding and, with cybernetics akin to Vader's, rebuilding, Darth Maul. During a confrontation between Maul and Talzin, however, the clan-mother manages to break through her wayward son' madness, and restore him to sanity, while also rebuilding his body properly. As part of the negotiations between Dooku and the anti-imperial Republic loyalists, the mega-corporations' influence within the Separatist movement is eliminated, their leaders arrested, and their droids incited to rebel against the corporations, and join the Separatists as autonomous, volunteer members. Droid rights become a cornerstone of the reformed separatist movement. As the inhibitor chips within the clones begin to malfunction, an ever-increasing number of them desert and join the Separatists. Before long, a popular uprising on Coruscant, from the criminal underbelly of the city, ascends to the surface even as the Separatists lay siege to the planet, and Palpatine is killed in a duel, confronted by Dooku, Yoda, Talzin, Maul, Kenobi and Anakin. Overwhelmed, he is killed by Anakin, and the Empire surrenders. A new Galactic Confederation is formed in place of the Old Republic, with a greater emphasis on representation for formerly disenfranchised worlds, democracy on the local level, and harmonious cooperation on the overarching level. After a brief war against the Hutts, Zygerrians and the other crime syndicates, peace is restored to the galaxy - not just a negative peace, which is the absence of direct conflict, but a positive peace, which is an absence of systemic violence and injustice, too.

Even so, he was still a willing sith. He wanted power, and he used the sith to achieve power. He may have had a good sense of justice, but he still craved personal power.

Sidious should've kept Dooku instead of Anakin. Way better second in command for ruling an empire than the Vader we know or even a healthy yet still instable Anakin.

Bro....this isn't Marvel. There are no alternative timelines

the communist leadership and modern western world elites are psychopathic as well. the being no pure black and white does not mean there are still lighter and darker grays

Britain and USSR weren't good either.

True, not to mention the real life lessons involved. You can probably learn more from Yodas philosophies than a reality show. Lol

Now they just need to tell these stories in the movie and series formats. Andor was a great start, but they need to do a lot more. Can't believe we still don't have any old republic content.

@@frankdees507 I loved the clone war series not only cause it went through Anakins story more but I loved the quotes at the beginning sometimes it would a dumb one I think that’s stupid but they could have another one and am like damn that hits me

“A long time ago in a galaxy far far away…” …maybe it isn’t fiction 🛸

Its funny that the Jedi claim they are the bringers of peace and love unless they are told to commit atrocities. The Jedi did the dirty work of the republic to maintain their high standing which makes them just as bad as the Sith if not worst.

​​​​@@chiquita683 *Yeah well, you're one to talk after what you've done to South America, just cause someone's parents don't meet your quotas doesn't mean you can chop their hands off, who do you think you are Darth Vader!*

Just like Palp used the clones...

They were tricked like everyone else

Can’t fully blame them

I'm pretty sure that wasn't on his resume` when they hired him.

Believe it or not, Palpatine did have a contention plan should Order 66 not succeed, he called it Order 99. This order would cause the droids primary function to shut down and restart, switching alliances to the Grand Republic, thus gunning down the CIS leaders. We aren’t exactly certain what would have happened if this order had been enacted, but it would have definitely caused great confusion and possibly still got Palpatine what he wanted in a round about way.

They refused to free Anakins mother from slavery and had no problem with using children as soldiers in a war

@@chiquita683 The republic had no authority in the outer rim. so even if they wanted to free them, they couldn't. That's like saying America should free slaves in Africa or Russia. They dont have authority there. Also, what child soldiers? The padawns? While i agree they shouldn't have fought in the war, the republic has no control over what the jedi council does.

​@theshimario253 you obviously don't pay much attention, the Jedi were nothing but lap dogs for their Republic masters.

@@theshimario253 Ignoring the Republic could have militarized to free them or at the very least purchased slaves to free. Also the Republic could have objected to Padawan being used in combat. And that’s ignoring the clones were quite literally a slave army.

​@@kingorange7739 Purchasing slaves would've simply given them the capital to enslave more people.

Heroes on both sides episode

Definitely agreed. Like that little detail

That was the Trade Federation, not the Separatists.

In the show there was some showing of the separatist perspective (still trough the lens of republic characters and allies) but it did give them more depth and showed that they were manipulated by some of the higher up separatist leaders along with Dooku and Palpatine.

just watch the video men....

The Separatist Council certainly was evil, but the movement itself was good. Plus its hard to seperate their actions from the fact that Palpatine was controlling them from behind the scenes. Take Palpatine out of the picture, and it likely would have looked a lot clearer.

Ok? The republic commited numerous atrocities while taxing you and letting pirates and slavers kill you of you weren’t a human from the core.

Because the droid wars were going on for a long time before the clones came in. The Clone Wars were a definitive shift in how the Republic fought the war

Order 65

Yeah I agree, like in the clone wars the separatist parliament clearly wanted peace and were willing to negotiate every time the republic reached out to them.

Except for Palpatine, he was pure evil in every sense of the word.

@@diostaku2 Palpatine is like Voldemort and everything abt him from his upbringing to his uprising as a Sith Lord is jus irredeemable in truth there was never anything good abt him from the start same goes for You Know Who

Thanos: blah blah blah, just let me kill half the galaxy already!

Gunray had no choice. He was forced to make the decision The Jedi, on the other hand, willingly played into Palpatine's hands without any outside interference due to their rabid devotion to the Republic

They tried to and it didn't work and when it almost did bomb droid temporarily disable Coruscant and as a result the war kept going

Episode 1?

You mean Obi Wan and Qui Gon? Also that was the Trade Federation, not the Separatists as the Separatists didn’t form till 8 years after that event

Even taking Palpatine out of the equation you still had a Galactic government that completely neglected the outer rim worlds and exploited those worlds for resources without proper protection, aid, or even fair representation.

I wouldn’t say all, but a great many were

@King Orange I mean, off the top of my head, people make the American Revolution, Civil War, and WW2 to be black and white, no pun intended for the Civil War. American Revolution, England had a lot of war debt, and blamed the war on the colonies, so felt they should bare the brunt of the expenses. Civil War, not only was a core issue Federal overreach, but also ending slavery would upend the economy. Had to be done, of course, just like a meth head having to go through traumatic withdrawals to sober up, but it was a messy situation. WW2, Hitler did what he was voted in for, ending their own great depression, the same way we did, through militarization. Hitler himself was a rabid dog needed to be put down, but the citizens themselves were desperate and Hitler had both the charisma and the plan. Japan was even more understandable, they had little land, most of it unusable mountainous region. Thankfully the found a better path by providing quality products and being masters of trade. The Korean, Cuba, and Vietnam wars are proof that one can not afford to save everyone from bullies, and the Middle East is proof even just by providing weapons and training, it can come back to haunt you. Of course there are conspiracy theories on the economic motivations behind the Middle East wars. And that is just American history. Of course, there are various wars over land and resources, but that is only natural, and one could claim empires like Rome had a beneficial impact by bringing modern infrastructure to less developed areas. A shame Russia had to go this route, this day in age could they have not used subterfuge and economics to force Ukraine into submission? Even assassinations are preferable to leveling the entire land you want to inherit🫠 Ah, well. I do get Russia is like the American Civil War with Lincoln not being fond of the South being it's own nation, it is said that was his true primary motive for the war.

The corporations were not the only party of the Separatist. The council was a body of the CIS but was not the main government nor was it representative of the worlds that actually seceded.

It was a mandolorians woman helmet who disapproved of the mandolorian wars so she was slaughtered

@@panchovilla2505 thank you!!

Agreed.