We got away with it by manuevering along with fire superiority. Fortifying land you hold has been a standard since the days of slings and bows. High density troop movements supported by in depth logistics prevents trenches from being needed, like German blitzkrieg. If we had a 1 million fighter army, supported by 2 million in logistics. 12,000 rounds of COAX on M1 Abrams tank, its just sweeping along tree lines, hedgerows and drones confirming clearance.

@@1truthbegettingtold275 If you don't mind me saying but you seem to be overestimating how effective maneuver warfare can be. The Battle of France is often touted as an example of how effective blitzkrieg can be but there were a lot of factors that gave the Germans a success there not least of which was surprise at how unexpected the attack was. As a basic tactic the Germans were never able to repeat that level of success later in the war against prepared forces. Bottom line is, even when you are doing maneuver, you're not just doing a mad calvary charge. That's what got the British and Germans both in trouble in North Africa when they outran their supply lines and then had to fall back hundreds of miles. It was the same for the Americans in the early days of the Korean War when they thought they could just chase the Communists right out of Korea. You have to deliberately move your troops, set up a defensible, dug in position so you have a base you can fall back to when you finally hit a established defensive line. I know that some people point to American successes in the two Gulf Wars but they weren't exactly dealing with a competent command structure. Saddam Hussein couldn't allow competent military leaders as those would have been a threat to his position. Assuming the enemy you're going to be fighting is that stupid may be a bit of wishful thinking that could get troops killed.

Manoeuvre warfare is great if you get it done before the enemy is fully entrenched. Once they have miles of these trenches, bunkers, mines, wire etc it's nowhere near as effective.

@@meme4one worst thing is, it might just make someone look at the TOG

@@Elenrai the whole conflict is as s show. Until Putin decides to withdraw or put in one giant push forward, this will be the status quo for a good few years to come.

When politicians agree on a stalemate

​@w.s.2102 we have trench warfare now and and a stalemate in Ukraine. What do you have to say about that Mr.Big Brains 🧠 🤔 😅

Don't write 'and' twice dummy 😊

Not when one side gets air superiority over the other, those trenches would be turned into graves.

@@w.s.2102 All politicians care about is money in their pockets.

I dunno corporal Kentucky fried chicken looks ready

if it is grim to you then you will be one of realities first of many causalities

Such a tough guy comment.

depends, god always has a plan for ya mate, says so in the book@@Berserker3624

@@viktor7712damn what’s with all the random hating?? He didn’t even say anything that bad you absolute clowns

anyone who is a layman saying some of the most well funded armies in the world are stupid should probably not be taken too seripously

The problem is most modern militaries haven't fought another conventional modern force in like 75 years. They have been fighting insurgencies. Trench warfare never went anywhere. It was just most people thought we wouldn't see another conventional conflict between two modern or semi modern forces in our lifetime.

It’s a pretty unique environment geographically - it’s the steppe. Unless we’re fighting in Ukraine, on the Russian border, these are not broadly applicable skills Why they’re being taught in the BA, is bc our force is a force of trainers and consultants. Nobody is fighting in trenches here. We’re training decent men to fight slightly better in trenches there. End of. If you don’t think the MoD is a consultancy and training organisation, you aren’t looking mate. Time served. Almost career (Ret.). Now gtf

@@TheGonzogibby Most of Europe is flat, and last time Iran was in a war it was also Trench War

@@TheGonzogibby Armenia and Azerbaijan have gone to war several times in the past few years and they too went heavy into trenches. And Bunkers when they couldn't dig down

Even in the Animatrix the war fought between man and machine over a hundred years into the future has trenches and giant laser artillery defenses

Till the plowshaped deployable shield makes a comeback, protecting and deflecting incoming fire.

Good observation, yeah it is pretty basic

When you have a very long frontline and not static or you meet huge disadvantage or huge advantage in war you will not use trenchers like it was in the Russian civil war 1917-1921

Were there a lot of trenches cleared by hand in Iraq and Afghanistan? Lol at people acting like militaries were silly for de-emphasizing trench combat the last few decades.

Ironically, that trash rifle works ok for trench warfare... range at distance, compact for tight quarters.

Right arm only for confined spaces? Good luck with it!

You weren't infantry then.

We always ended each big exercise with an assault on a Russian trench system (they only went up to waist height). You literally had to fight your way through in a crouched position. Very hard back breaking work, especially once clear of the trenches you then assaulted buildings.

​@jairustheadventurer3935 Trash rifle? I've fired thousands upon thousands of rounds and never had a stoppage. Its incredibly accurate and manoeuvrable. I really don't get the hate

"Person" the trench, you bigot!

Just remember on the outbreak of WW1 Britain had a regular army of 80,000 today its 72,000 plus just over 200,000 reservists. If worst comes to worst, I honestly think Britain would be able to field an infantry force of over a million. Just as they had from 1914-1916 recruitment wise. Then having 5.5 million in the army alone served between 1914-1919.

They just preparing how to face the Russians in the trench.

@@Liverpool-1892. Yeah and unlike then the people who ran the country weren't arresting people for displaying the union jack down the street. Or importing and catering towards the boat people. Their military is in a recruitment crisis same as the U.S. No young men want to sign up for a nation that continues to talk about how they are the problem of society.

@@Liverpool-1892. Maybe with the manpower but providing an army with support ...In the current situation, we would probably last 10 days!

He’d be thinking why the hell am I being led by a nineteen year old girl that can’t carry a GPMG

@@willfletch5871a 19 year old girl who was born as a male who now identifies as a 19 year old girl but because of the new 2027 laws she’s able to identify as 19 but she was actually born in 1979 as Bob who at the age off 45 decided to become 19 years old Sara so as to join the SAS and become the youngest girl ever to overcome the new tests to be chosen for the SAS, im actually a 12 years old kid but i identify as a 70 years old as I want to collect my pension

​@@user-td8ls5mn5q.. if I didn't know better I might think you were pulling our leg :o)

😂😂😂😂quite crafty there mate​@@user-td8ls5mn5q

​@@user-td8ls5mn5qI'm a sloth. Don't tell me to work faster. I'm a sloth.

Tell him there are some buckshee rations in there and standby for action.

Pogybait on fishing rod.

😂

He’s Csjt Pisstank of the Yorkshire Pudding Regiment

😂😂

Bojo closed 10 London fire stations and removed 400 frontline firefighters from duty

In fairness if you saw NLAW ripping through Russian tanks you’d think the same

He was a Traitor, who lied to get in power and done nothing but implement WEF agendas.

​@@bhante1345Why surrender to Russia?

@@bhante1345 only because he had no choice, Boris said he’d support him, Z changed his mind

42 years ago is a bit

@@notnotadev Seems like yesterday. Same close fighting, with the added fun of drones.

Bayonets were used in Afghanistan.

The freakishly rapid and endless development of technology will only make the past seem further and further away

@@zoiders correct, a British position was pinned down, but within sight of the gunmen, so they were ordered to fix bayonets and charge. The British won.

Seriously lol. Looking at the trenches in Ukraine some of them been exchanged hands and bombarded so many times they're like knee deep. New ones are straight up holes dug in the ground.

@@Russ92thatsvhow war trenches are, ukraine they were digging while being pushed and artillery

Might put down a deposit

I watched a video showing the differences between Russian and Ukranian trenches, the Ukranians were clean, organised, resourceful. The Russians were lined with litter and had rats.

Ukraine isn’t trained in our warfare, they are working with no air support

@@cjjk9142 We won't have air support either. Remove that notion. AA weapons are so good that running aircraft will be so risky and on the front the only things flying will be drones

@@mikechedzoy4866 AA weapons?

@@AlchemistOfNirnroot anti-air, are you a bot. couldn't you figure that out, since we are talking about aircraft.

@@mikechedzoy4866 Are you an A-hole?

they will still continue joining foxholes into trenches to make supply routes etc. how else would they deliver supplies from one foxhole into another

Yeah you probs did more than your lads in ww1

@@deeeeeeeench1209 I served in the British Army not the Yank Army 🤣

@@ghostwriter2031 well 🤣

and why don't they just link BMI/fat %/lung capacity to pay, with the higher/too low BMI for example linked to progressively lowered pay?

@@CR-rm4iythere is fat people in the military special in infantry unit , the old you are run time is longer time and fitness relaxed ,

We just dug a very basic trench in the Artillery because we never stayed in one location for very long due to sound ranging & counter bombardment. Obviously the infantry will did more complicated trenches for longer stays. The Royal Engineers or Pioneer Corps back in the day helped out too with digging our Guns in which was a bigger job. No doubt the Royal Engineers will help the infantry out too when digging out more long term positions

They are built that way as they are going to be needed year after year for training so need to be robust. I remember reading a trench warfare textbook written after WW1 (there were quite a few written post war) and they basically said that the more chaotic and covered with debris the trench looked from the direction of the enemy, then the better it was, as it made life difficult for the snipers. No doubt something similar might apply today with drones, although with thermal imaging now getting more common different camouflage tactics will be needed.

@@Pesmog Hey, what was that book you read? It sounds interesting

They were not deep enough and without a firing step , this would cause many unnecessary casualties . We fought and perfected trench warfare in WW1 and need only read the hard won doctrines of the time on trench building and warfare such as bite and hold . These trenches were not only too low but were straight not the sawtooth type in WW1 to stop explosions moving along a trench. The Ukrainians are losing badly so I don’t think we need to take tips off them.

Give it time, the trenches there were condemned last year. This is a rebuild

Lmao

Half are extras from Albert Square.

100 if you count in kilos

That's a terrifying though: all the effort Ingsoc goes through might just not be necessary.

Humans have been doing that well before the Mesopotamians. War isn't something modern politicians invented

I know, It must suck to be ruZZian

I didn’t see any women with lesbian moms in that exercise. What are they thinking? Don’t they want to win the next war?

What are you talking about

The Dutch Grebbe Line during ww2 comes to mind when reading this. Even though the Dutch already lost to the initial stages of the Nazi Germany invasion they were still able to commit to some crucial delaying actions involving trench warfare. The Finns during the winter war and well into the continuation war used trench warfare and was able to retain independence from communist influences thanks to that too, even though they lost the war they did not lose their identity and anymore of their territory since the soviet-suomi treaty of the continuation war only led to Finns reverting back to the borders of post-winter war treaty.

One war and everyone thinks it’s like that. US fights by bombing bombing bombing until there are no trenches or drone controllers left. Play what you think is modern war all you want until the gorilla enters the room.

Dude have you seen WW2? Just because Ukraine and Russia both have a nonexistent airforce, doesn't mean the rest of the world does.

Every single FOB/COP/PB and other types of bases had trenches and raised ground foritifications. Trench is a type of fortification. Hesco barriers are like a trench.

@@1truthbegettingtold275 Yeah they are still used everywhere but really a lot of people say that entrenchments don't exist anymore and that a lot of modern warfare has just been urban or patrolling around on foot or in armored vehicles. That is of course more predominant now but there's still been literally trenches in every conflict the world over to varying degrees. A conventional war is going to generally see them used to a greater extent which is what baffles me so much with peoples "shock". Even if war becomes almost completely autonomous in the future with drones, there will likely always still be human boots to varying extents and they'll be building trenches.

No lol

😂 if they build trenches a bit skinnier me and gav will be in retreat

Haha was gonna say that Gavin’s a bit fat to be a squaddie? 🤣 sums up our armed forces really. The people of Britain believe our army is great but in reality it’s awful

The army is still great

He's British so SBS (Special Burger Service)

it's the new anti bayonet and trench blocking padding

Holding the barrel these days seems quite common. PT definitely, these guys are all too heavy to move quickly for long periods.

Holding out in front is a current technique for quick transitioning between targets at short range.

There is people willing to join the military, but if constription started people got no choice to Join , you got drones worried about them trenches warfare

​@@danielbailey5849Public sentiment towards the government in the UK is already horrendous, if they try and institute conscription it's not going to go down well.

@@danielbailey5849 Those willing to join up are alienated by the Government, most would not fight now.

That's what I came here to say ..🤦🏻

He wasn't exactly built for speed either.

It’s been like that for ages now. No more capbadge in the centre of the head 🤣

look at the mans weight...some leader he is. where will he lead his men? form the front of the buffet table?

@@Berserker3624 he probably fits inside a trench like a cork in a wine bottle...

No.

The orbital tech card is apparently only worth revealing on allied civilian infrastructure.

😂😂

The big man likes a pie.

Warms your hands up. Very quickly.

Same lols

It's absolutely shocking looking ...

Modern Anti air weapons means no one will have air superiority.

You will never achieve air superiority in a war against another country. AA systems just too good nowadays. So the trench warfare is the reality.

The Royal Navy has fewer men than the US Coast Guard.

While the politicians line there pockets

Planes just get shot down now. They aren’t what they used to be.

Why not?

​@@heycidskyja4668 because that's where the hot gasses come out 😂

@@Osama-Bon-Jovi-01 hand warmer

How are you doing there? Take care

Sorry can say that again, learn what exactly, Ukraine troops got no military training, it mostly volunteers who been in the military, nato need learn drones and man power , equipment is need ,

I wouldnt recommend learning from Ukranian troops. Unless what you want to achieve is a total Volkssturm annihilation. They did surprisingly well in the early stages of the war holding off the 200k strong RF, unfortunately for them Russia can make their own aircraft, tanks and shells, meanwhile UA relied on their soviet stockpiles and now on foreign aid. NATO doctrine is not compatible with the UA war, the most we learned from this war was how 2 evenly matched armies return to trench warfare and the terror of drone warfare.

@@danielbailey5849Ukraines volunteers would crush the U.K. military today.

you mean get mud and misfires

1991 wants its joke back@@user-us5cl7xu5x

​@@user-us5cl7xu5xrarely happens tbh

He thinks BFT means burger fries to - go

Colour Sargent

@@liveuk Colour Sergeant

@@adamsully5779 :P :)

@@user-be1lo9zd7o Here we go again. Everyone arguing over spelling not the utterly pathetic state of our useless armed forces. It's cut to the bone!

Surprising isn’t it.

Unfortunately there will be more people at this year's FACUP final at Wembley, than the British Army can put boots on the ground tomorrow......

not for 30 years

That's a worrying thought ​@@martinthomas2759

in what way?

@@BreakingWhiteour army size is pathetic.

@@joeynyesss1286Sgt. Gavin is doing his best to make up for that!

@@BreakingWhite No National Air defence and a small army and a cost of living crisis !!

@@paulmint1775 what defence spending is ideal then? 2.5%?

Mis gendering?Have you not heard of the Geneva convention. In these worrying times with the threat of WWW3 looming and the Kremlins constant nuclear saber rattling. It really is a dark day when such brutality is considered to be a part of the modern arenas of conflict 😢😢😢

this n'wah ain't seen grass since covid

Not terrain but the nature of the enemy forces. We've been fighting civilians not a standing army. They don't sit in trenches they pop out the house for a bit of shooting then go back home or back to the ploughing in the field.

new cannon fodder is born every minute

Exactly. Air power is the NATO way of war. Or at least the US. Russia wouldn’t have a chance if they fought the US.

you will always need men to do the dirty work. We have been used to fighting unconventional insurgencies. fighting a country that has the capacity to counter the air support means this is necessary training.

If you think you'll always have air superiority, you probably need a reality check because we're not expecting to be conducting counter-insurgency in the jungle or desert. Although it does beg the question whether conventional warfare against countries who you cannot gain air superiority over is even worth the price when you can produce small drones en masse.

​@@TheBoobanPerhaps Russia alone might not. But how about Russia and China? I'm sure the last thing China wants is to be surrounded on all sides by the US.

@@mckendrick7672 with their entirely of nato and a war on the boarder, air superiority is guaranteed

Understand the job above you in order to facilitate and enable it correctly. Always one round away from a promotion..

@@jaysea4705Sure but when I was a LT, I had to have one conversation with the Tp Sgt as to whose Troop it was. The issue disappeared after that. Telling CPLs (aspiring SGTs) that its "their" Platoon will not prepare them well for their return to the Battalion.

@@whya2ndaccount Obviously you were not Infantry Sir (we don't have Tp Sgts). We do things differently. A Pl Sgt is the bloke who takes over if the Pl Com gets hit - so obviously those training to be Pl Sgts get taught to lead a Platoon. In fact even L/Cpls get taught the Pl Sgt job AND the Pl Commander role. Being Inf is dangerous.

@@badgertheskinnycowWe do similar Tp SGT understudies Tp Ldr and runs the Admin side. If the Instructor had said "in your role of supporting the Platoon Commander (i.e. understanding the tactics and plan) then it would have been fine for me.

​@@whya2ndaccountGet over oneself !