There’s dumb, and then there’s you.

Nice! I don't understand why SilentSolutions hates on the PVS-7. His point about it having the none of the advantages of a mono or bino system is completely null, as it has the cheaper price tag of a mono but with none of the headaches from a mono, among other things. Not to mention parts availability. Wish I could get one.

@@atacorion there's arrogant and conceited, then there's whatever hole you crawled out of.

@@AevisPrime Thanks a bunch, but it's likely out of my range. I am however looking to build myself some digital NVGs, with a powerful IR flashlight. It should be fine for me, as my needs aren't really tactical.

@@cke5417 go for it. Digital is always going to be bottom of the barrel for NV but it still works for recreational stuff. Hell, but some old Soviet NVGs like a PNV-57A and rewire em to work off a 9v.

Sit down boomer. Nobody with half a brain advocates a PVS-7 in 2022.

​@@atacorion I do

@@atacorionI do

@@Goydeluxe like I said half a brain

Only reason why the pvs-14 was adopted was to provide a cheap form of passive night aiming when used inline with the m68 cco for the average infantryman who wasn't issued a dedicated weapon night sight. Even after the pvs-14 was adopted, the pvs-7 continued to be issued to vehicle crews and personnel already issued a weapon night sight. Why someone would choose a comparable pvs-14 over a pvs-7 is beyond me. Even once you spend enough money to make a 14 outperform a 7, youve put yourself in the price range of a good set of true bino NVGs. Can we please finally collectively leave the monocular NVD concept in the early 2000s where it belongs?

I know it has been a year, but do you still like your pvs 7? Looking to getting something and can’t justify the 14

@@Averagejoemk262 yes and I now have 5 AN/PVS 7 setups that we use around the farm. They work great and all have Gen 3 Delta tubes. My 3 AN/PVS 14's just sit in the safe. I've been thinking about getting a bridge or articulating housing kit to transform them into bino's. But it's not a priority.

I'll buy them from you for 700.

I’m getting one and modernizing it

Lol how? Cutting it in half?

@@ipodhty LMFAO

How about that Prometheus 3 ? It looks like a good scope

@@Y0urM0thersH0u5e no, I’m not familiar with it. I’ll try to find some research on it.

For foreign militaries that we don’t give a shit about.

@@atacorion Well looks like parts & pickups will be around for a LONG TIME. : )

Anddd....the Taliban now got them. Bunch of 7s.

@@atacorion ah yes. Allies we don’t give a shit about having decent shit when we do multinational operations with them in the hottest AO in the 2020s, Europe. Fuckin basic dude. Go back to the basement.

I think this guy needs to be in a antique shop mi-am pvs7 bees work just fine and I have ittt tubes upgraded in mine white phosphorus and they blow out in the other tubes that I've or just as good as any other to buy look to buying or goggles and don't give me a headache should I think you might want to check yourself into an antique shop

I bet he did

@@atacorion i tried watching his latest NV video. It was terrible.

@@ChevTecGroup I agree he didn't do his research especially for like a 40 plus minute video lol

@@bdpersha what do you think about his pvs14 video and Trybe as a brand?

@@fluffyrider9467 I actually own a trybe 14 which is optic planets house brand. They use elbit tubes. They spec sheet on mine was fantastic and it has been great for the money spent.

Do you drive a 1988 Monte Carlo? or was you vehicle built in the 21st century? Just becausee you can drive a vehicle built in the 1980's doesnt mean its a good or practical idea in 2023.

​@@atacorion I own 78 El Camino and an 83 AMC that I take out periodically. My daily is a 2018 Jeep, but that doesnt mean it's my exclusive ride. I think it is perfectly fine to buy an older car, provided it is working well. Hell, most of my motorcycles were made in the 80s. I will never shame someone for spending $2k on an old, low-mileage bike in stead of $12k on a new one. Is newer better than older? Absolutely. Does older still get the job done? Absolutely.

@@UncleDon226 Of course you do, if you like old obsolete stuff because you're a collector that's cool, but the -7 is not a front-line NV system and is only around for nostalgia's sake.

@@atacorion Bruh. Nobody who has a pvs-7 is under the delusion that it is a "front-line NV system". We know. "It's only around for nostalgia's sake". Yeah, we know. And when someone with dual tubes tries to rip into them about that, it comes across as someone who is defensive about dropping $10k on nods so they pick on others to make themselves feel better. Not saying you are doing that, just saying thats what it looks like.

I think you missed the point of the video entirely

I have both dual 14s and 7D. 7 is way better than single 14 any night when it comes to dept perception and dual 14s is better than 7. 7 does gives you a headache if you look for side to side peripheral without moving your head as long as you stop looking for peripheral vision the headache stops. It's a habit.

@@bolshoibooze8010 The 7 actually doesn't give you depth perception at all. Both eyes are seeing the exact same image. In truth, binos don't give you depth perception either, it is somewhat of a misnomer because our ability to judge distances is largely determined by the intersection of each eye's sight. With night vision both eyes are looking straight ahead, so we can't actually determine distance any better than we could on a video or a picture. The main benefit of the 7 and the binos is that you see green (or white) in both eyes than lit on one eye and dark on another. This may cause you to have eye dominance in one eye that you may not want (this is the same reason why both eyes open shooting is not always a good thing, especially if you aren't using an illuminated reticle or a high contrast sight picture such as looking through a scope at a bright sandy terrain). That said, just as you can train for eye dominance, you can train to use the 14 as easily as the 7. In my own experience, it takes people about a month straight (~40 total hours) to really have good mental control over the image, which of course is a major time sink that most people don't have available to them.

Both of you boys are the exception not the rule

Glad to hear man.

The M-16A2 has been around for about the same amount of time, and nobody recommends that battle proven system. Just because its battle Proven doesn't mean its relevant, viable, effective. I appreciate your comment.

If it came down to it something is better than nothing, that said that’s not what this video is talking about. With the price of a used half way decent -14 being around the $1500 mark and the advantages over a -7, it’s a no brainer which one to choose.

They're cool, and OMNI VII's have fantastic image quality

Where the hell do you get a Gen 2 for 349?

@@Mr_Glenn he bought Gen 1 Chinese junk on wish and thought it was gen2

@@HaloDude557 well, does aliexpress even stock pvs-7 tubes?

@@CantoniaCustoms if you're buying anything Chinese, it's not going to be ITAR and have anything over Gen 1.

I would love to see you hit a target at 500 yards. This sounds like a @garand_thumb challenge

UPDATE I walked around with the PVS7 for few hours and held it tilted, to mimic a monocular for ~30 min. The ability to see with one normal eye is pretty good in places with streetlights around, like a suburban area. I can "switch" eyes to see, and when there's enough light, I can see with both images which get fused together by your brain. It wasn't as uncomfortable as I thought it is, relative to viewing with both eyes. Didn't get migraines or anything, but I felt some eye strain after 30 min. Slight fatigue would also happen from using it normally. Although in complete darkness monocular wasn't better, and eye strain was worse. With the PVS7 it just feels better, it's like you can mentally focus more. But you do lose awareness of ambient lighting. I found I just had to be aware of how many light sources are around. For depth perception, it's not that bad. The ocular distance is just one of many ways we perceive depth. I had no problems running up to cover. I didn't try stairs though. I'm not an "operator". So I don't really intend to use this device in urban/suburban areas with streetlights. I'd prefer to use flashlights. In complete darkness, where I intend to use this, I think the PVS 7 is better, especially for a long time. Though factoring in compactness, weight, ability to aim, and theoretical durability (moving parts) I think I actually slightly prefer a PVS14. BUT when factored in cost it's no brainer for me to choose PVS 7 over PVS 14 The cheapest Gen 3 PVS 14 is $2800, which is more than doubled $1500 more. Don't even know if it's at the level of Omni VII. I'm already stretching my budget greatly. Also, I have no plans to upgrade anything.

@@Nathan-jh1ho Thank you for your insight! I was lucky enough to throw together an O7 gen 3 pvs 14 for 1500, but I have always wondered what the alternative is in terms of experience.

@@Ashley-1917 Niceeee.

@@Ashley-1917 pm me where to look if you don’t mind 👌🏼

@@bolawdean I'll just put it here so anyone else can see. I didn't get it from a retailer, rather, I asked around on the night vision discord server. (You can find it by just looking up night vision discord). I got mine out of a combination of luck and alot of patience.

I wear many hrs active and could drive just find never ran into anything and gen 3 anpvs-7 B where just fine mount on a go fast hamlet and shooting at night with it laser box and IR illuminator

Brosef. Use your nods. Do not shine the laser in them to see what happens. You will be fine. If you get flashed you are blind.

Not worth it at all. Pay a few dollars more and get their PVS-14 model. A PVS-7 is only worth it if you can get it cheap.

if youre more than the occasional casual user, you'll quickly realize that you just flushed $1500 down the toilet with your 1980's designed device.

Yes many of my technical videos are removed. They will return again in a better format on a different outlet.

Ah was having the same problem. Lots of really good videos I wanted to share to some people. Thought I was imagining watching those videos after I couldn't find them.

The P-51 Mustang was great in it time, doesn’t mean it has a place on the battlefield today.

They’re on Patreon, I re-recorded them with better quality equipment

Hey, it still lets you see in the dark. Pretty damn big advantage no matter how clunky it is.

I heard he was going to post them on trex arms website. Him and Lucas have been hanging out a lot lately working on tactics.

They are on Patreon

If you shop around you can find -14's that are half decent for $1500

@@atacorion The cheapest I've seen a 14 priced at was $2400 for a gen 3 (green non hand select). A gen 3 green non hand select 7 can be had from optics planet for just under $2000. Even if you can't fight with a 7, couldn't you still use it as a NVOD (observation device) to see and avoid others who want nothing more than to get into a fight with the first person they find at night?

@@atacorion where? Cheapest i see is 2,500 from nighthawk vision. Show me where the cheap ones are 😂 i need one

People sell used -14’s regularly for $1500 in FB night vision group

No definitely not.

@@atacorion is that because of warranty issues, ITAR stuff, or both?

@@Rockstar6111 Neither, there is no need to open up an image tube. I consists of 3 basic components.

I think there are videos online of people opening up non-functioning tubes, but its not really something thats meant to be opened. Opening it would break the vacuum seal.

Where do you get them for $750. I waited a long time and found someone selling 2009 Omni VII ones for 1300. Anything below $1000 was broken for parts only.

@@Nathan-jh1ho There were last Christmas I saw a $700 ish PVS7 on ebay, of course it had a huge brick blemish in the A zone, but at that price, it is practically like getting the IIT free.

@@DaveSmith-cp5kj There's a PVS 14 gen 3 on ebay right now for 1600 that has a huge blemish

@@Nathan-jh1ho TBH at that price I'd just pick up an AGM Gen 2 14. Edit: lmao that one PVS-7 at 4k.

@@DaveSmith-cp5kj The SFK one?

Did you watch the video:?

I wouldn't take my word as final, but I remember reading a discussion of this. From what I understand the general consensus was that it should be fine.

Depending on the light, it’s probably better than a PVS-7

@@atacorion HAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

It will be.

You sell it to buy a PVS-14

@@atacorionwow thanks.

@@atacorion someone told me I could buy some off brand pvs14 wannabe in kit form without tube. I have a 14 and two pvs7s that I can't get much money for but if I could make a couple of monoculars out of them I would gladly she'll out a little. Nice clean tubes in those old 7s with low hours.

PVS 7s. They are good to go. They are proven, ready to go.

They’ll be back in a refined form on a different site

Couple of counterpoints to your argument There isn't an M3 HMG that makes the M2 obsolete, so you're stuck with the M2, there are a lot of PVS systems that have made the -7 obsolete. You were issued the gear you used, this is for folks buying into NV, so you missed one of the points I was trying to make entirely. Its not about swapping tubes into a -7, its about swapping the tube into a newer better more modern housing which a lot of people do with 11769 and 10160 tubes these days. Again you missed the point because you probably don't have as much understanding about NV as I do, based on working in and around this industry for a decade now. Your Tacoma's engine is the same engine as the 4runner and some models of the Camry. Again, I am speaking about buying a new PVS-7 not a new one but for $500-1000 more than what you paid, you're in PVS-14 territory and the -14 absolutely destroys the -7 in every way. Given the small price difference save up more money for a little while longer. IF you like the -7 keep the -7, but the people I see with -7's after only a 2-night NV class offload their -7's shortly thereafter. People who use their gear understand this, people who were issued and used it 20 years ago and don't know any better don't. The -7 is the 1911 of NV.

@@atacorion lol I carry a 1911 at times too. I’m not going to re say each point, but to be pedantic there’s no Camry with a 4.0 V-6. You say $1k more as if that isn’t TWICE the cost. The average user isn’t changing their tubes into new housings, or kicking in doors for that matter. I suppose you’d rather people have nothing, but there’s value in the PVS-7. So long as they still turn on they always will have value, btw I could care less if you have ten years of experience, any argument to authority is a weak argument. “I’ve been doing this for years” means I should be quiet because the pro is talking, which is for people like Fauci, not the 2a community. There’s a huge market for people who don’t want to spend used car money on, let’s be real here, a toy they will never actually need.

@@BamaPewPewthat’s cute

@@atacorion better than your elitist attitude.

@@BamaPewPew #stopbeingpoor

Check the Salvation Army store

@@atacorion Why do I get the feeling I'll ACTUALLY find an interceptor and a pasgt there?

Before the pandemic there were people selling PVS-7 with a blemished tube for 1k. I got a couple buddies who were on a real budget to get those and it is serving them well. Right now though the prices are ridiculous. They are going used for the same price as a new 14, so it definitely doesn't make sense to buy a 7 anymore.

Those aren’t people

Neither. Save an extra $150 bucks for a Gen3 -14

@@atacorion I’ll be on the look out for a $1400 PVS-14, thanks. All jokes aside do you think it would be better to assemble a PVS-14 from a parts kit or just buy a complete one?

Ozzy is timeless, -7’s aren’t

And the AR platform has evolved in too many ways to count since the 80's so that it wasnt abandoned. The PVS-7 hasn't. So nice try with an apples to oranges argument that really makes you look educated on this topic.

Spoken exactly like somebody who doesn't run their NODs.

Exactly. PVS 7 with good Omni 7 tube and dovetail adapter is good kit. Says a non salesman. : )

IF you only use it a few times a year, this is a true statement, if you use NV often, this could not be further from the truth.

​@@atacorion how many hours is often?

most people use their NV less than 20 hours a year@@Wabaanimkii

The 7 isn't terrible, practically speaking I don't think you will be bad off if you can find a gen 3 7 for $1,500k or less, which are out there, you just have to scour the net daily for about a month or two. One of the best "proving grounds" that are accessible to a civilian are milsim events. Lots of people still using 7 and they can still regularly spot and take out dual tube users. The 7 is just not a good purchase if you plan to buy one device to be the end all be all. The 14 is nice because it is kind of modular as you can buy one now, and buy another later to have duals which you can split with a buddy if necessary. A lot of 7s are overpriced and so comparing a $2,500 7 that you might find on optics planet doesn't make a whole lot of sense when Ebay 14s are $2k, and TNVC sells really great ones for 3K. If you aren't planning to actually fight IRL with them (like you aren't making a decision for a rapid response LE group like SWAT or something), go for the 7 if you like the charm of it. If in some wild emergency you end up needing to seriously use your 7, you aren't going to be that far behind anyone else. Just having any gen 3 NVD setup is like 90% of the advantage. The rest comes down to training, your tactical knowledge, and the strategy applied to the situation. A game example is a milsim event I took my friend to last year involved him staying behind with other people who didn't have night vision to hold our campground while I and other users went off to hunt other players. The opposition night vision team pimped out with dual tubes came to wipe him out, but rather than splitting their team into two elements, they approached from a single direction and just assumed they were in shadows, and so my friend who only had a flashlight was able to see them coming and mowed them all down before they could react. Night vision is a major advantage, but like anything, the returns on investment taper off past a certain point, and it won't guarantee success in your endeavors just because you buy what everyone else has. So don't think just because you have a 7 that you have a game breaking disadvantage. It's workable, it's just not the best bang for your buck if you can afford better and care only about pragmatics, not just fun.

@@DaveSmith-cp5kj thank you for your answer, well i must say i talked to other nvg owners and they recommended the pvs7 to me, i also tried a binocular and honestly the only difference i noticed it was the perception of depth, unfortunately for me that I live in Italy it is almost impossible to find a pvs7 in good condition for so little, third generation binoculars cost a lot and I don't like monoculars, so even after trying a biocular like the pvs7 I definitely decided to re-evaluate it and buy one and then mount it on norotos facemask.Unfortunately my team plays very little at night but I want it out of pure nvg passion and I will use it at night for walks in the mountains and countryside.

Sick burn bruh