Wide Open Trigger vs Rare Breed commentary

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Small Team Supply

2 жыл бұрын

The FRT and WOT go head to head while the owners of each discuss.

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@gusbiv8282 2 жыл бұрын

The cyclic rate has more to do with how your system is gassed, buffer and spring tuning than the trigger.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

And your finger speed "wink"

@sstrainingsolutions3832 2 жыл бұрын

Can we take a moment and appreciate Lucas T-shirt for a moment? Great video and thanks for the shout out!

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Ha! yea it took me a moment to see he had a RPG on there! Hey no problem! Had fun training with you guys!

@openmindset1818 2 жыл бұрын

Do you have an adjustable gas block on the rare breed rifle

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Both rifles had "rack grade uppers" fixed gas blocks, carbine gas systems, 16" barrels. nothing special.

@openmindset1818 2 жыл бұрын

How far does your bcg sit over/on the locking bar

@gusbiv8282 2 жыл бұрын

I run a WOT in my 80% lower, PSA FN CHF premium machine gun steel mid length upper with an H-3 buffer and it runs flawlessly, ejection pattern is correct with wolf steel, brass, .223 or 5.56. The H-2 was definitely a faster cyclic rate, but I wanted more controllability with less battering on the upper receiver and BCG, and the H-3 is perfect for that for me.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

With a lightweight build I was able to get the standard h buffer to run with an insanely fast cyclic rate. But when I tried the wot in heavier builds I was having bolt bounce causing light primer strikes so I switched to h2 and that worked fine for me the h3 has like a 1919 thump thump thump speed but my mag catch wasn't engaging. I could have opened up the gasport but I kinda liked the h2 speed in the heavy builds, so that's what I've settled on.

@gusbiv8282 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply I also run mainly M-855/SS109 most of the time except for wolf .223 55gr. for mag dumping, so the pressure runs a little higher on "full semi-auto" with 62 gr. in a midlength gas system.

@gusbiv8282 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply I found my WOT "controllability sweet spot" for staying on target with my rig was an H-3 buffer with Geissele Super 42 buffer spring on my PSA FN HERSTAL preimium MG steel double chrome lined mid length gas system barrel with the PSA premium, nitrided logo'd M-16 auto BCG.

@mikedoubleohdoubleu2135 2 жыл бұрын

I’m confused…was this meant to make an obvious point? Like both systems are familiar to you guys but one of you had issues with one of the triggers on a polymer lower AR that particular day? Sorry, not being rude, just trying to get to the point of the video presentation. What point does it make? What’s it’s message?

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

No, your fine man. The main point was that the triggers both perform the same basic function without issues. The WOT edges out the FRT slightly and if a person was in the market for a trigger of this type he would likely be happy with either at the end of the day. I was hoping the differences would be more dramatic but with the improvements rare breed made to its spring issues, They both just work.

@LoadedToTheMax 2 жыл бұрын

What is the yellow muzzle device on their rifles ?

@kaelinkato123 2 жыл бұрын

It’s a blank firing adapter (BFA). They are shooting blanks.

@LoadedToTheMax 2 жыл бұрын

@@kaelinkato123 thanks for the reply !

@JesusChrist-xk9ee 2 жыл бұрын

The blank fire adapter allows more gases to be trapped inside the barrel so that way it cycles properly as if you were shooting real bullets and also protects if somebody gets in front of the muzzle

@Logan0o 2 жыл бұрын

Frt definitely better Fires faster and it’s company for one actually owns the rights to the patent. Sooo which company do you think is going stand behind their trigger longer. I’d much rather have a FRT in case i ever have a issue because i doubt the wot will last long legally on the market and no longer be produced there for spare parts will be no longer

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

I hope the 2 can work out a deal, like a licensing agreement or something I'd hate to see either one go away.

@Logan0o 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply FRT isn’t going go anywhere unless Congress makes it illegal

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@Logan0o I certainly hope your right.

@jdwojda 2 жыл бұрын

Too late for that. Wot stole the design. Shitty business practices.

@Logan0o 2 жыл бұрын

@@jdwojda that’s fine with me now FRT can just collect the money in court lol. Not sure what WOT thought would happen

@Manning2k23 2 жыл бұрын

I ran the H1 and had strike issues on every steel case I shot, ran the original buffer spring and ran flawless. You just have to tinker around to see what’s best for you.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think you can get away with using a h1 in a very light rifle that you don't plan on using a loop sling with it. Because the rifle is able to move forward ever so slightly when the bolt closes to prevent a elastic collision. But a heavier rifle build or otherwise prevent the rifle from moving forward and you'll have to use a heavier buffer. Like you said just gotta tinker around to find what works best with your rifle.

@phillhuddleston9445 2 жыл бұрын

It looks like you are shooting blanks, this really demonstrates little because they may function differently using live ammo.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

It demos that they work with blanks which is arguably more difficult to get to function properly, but your correct it's an analog for ball, not ball.

@christopherlarsen7788 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I wanted to know! I suspect others would love to see this comparison of the FRT and WOT. This channel need more subscribers!

@lukasgoza4493 2 жыл бұрын

Honest opinions are always good. I like how he doesn't try to church it up and sell it, he shows what it is.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris! I agree, If your not subscribed you might miss out. Their loss I guess.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lukas !

@josephcremeans 2 жыл бұрын

Rare Breed vs. WOT FRT = forced reset trigger HRT = hard reset trigger I'd like to see someone compare the 2 triggers. By either having 2 of the exact same guns, running the same everything (ie - barrel, gas block, gas tube, bcg, magazine, buffer tube, & buffer). Or run both triggers in the same gun.

@LoserJJA79 2 жыл бұрын

That's like when I have a problem with my work vehicle, tell mechanic and they come back saying "could not duplicate problem." Lol Great video nonetheless. I love that we have these triggers. I own a WOT and it runs flawlessly on my Colt SP1.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

LOL exactly! thanks bud! Sad thing was I had to cut some content because the wind noise was just to bad. Right on, the WOT in a SP1 sounds rockin!

@osamaali198 2 жыл бұрын

What kind bolt carrier should I use on my diamondback ar15

@osamaali198 2 жыл бұрын

I got valtor h2

@LoserJJA79 2 жыл бұрын

@@osamaali198 I don't own a Diamondback AR-15 but I imagine any full auto bolt carrier would be fine.

@osamaali198 2 жыл бұрын

@@LoserJJA79 ok just wondering because I do own db15I have WOT still in the box haven’t used because I’ve seen controversy over bolt carrier

@Conky88 2 жыл бұрын

That’s the first blank adapter I’ve ever seen actually work.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I got a pile of bad ones that you can't tell are bad just by looking.

@Conky88 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply I’ll tell ya though. Because of this video I bought the WOT trigger. Don’t know how long they’ll be on the market for so yeah.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@Conky88 yeah that's my thoughts on it too, wring the enjoyment out of them while you can, you'll learn stuff playing with them that you didn't know before and when the time comes, sure you have a decision to make. but in the the mean time your making memory's and learning things.

@TheATFcanSuckmyDicc 6 ай бұрын

I run a WOT with an m16 bolt and a h2 buffer Iv had zero malfunctions with it so far!

@snakeNP215 2 жыл бұрын

Idk why everyone is mad about the WOT, I own both the FRT and the WOT and personally I would buy the WOT over the FRT, after 400 rounds using the FRT I had that pin break and the trigger became useless, took almost 2 months to get a replacement and now I don’t like shooting it because I put 300 rounds wit the replacement FRT and I can see the pin is starting to get damaged again, on the other hand iv put 700 round down with the WOT and zero issues and the price is way cheaper than then FRT, I like FRT and I am glad for everything they are doing, I support them but iv I had to pick I would go with WOT.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for the input! which pin is the one that is breaking on you?

@snakeNP215 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply the one in the back with the spring

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@snakeNP215 ok, yea makes sense thats going to be taking the impact of the BCG

@snakeNP215 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply I am not the only person that has had this issue, i heard there was supposed to be an upgrade or some sort of revision from frt but the second one I received looks like the first one and is getting damaged like the first one too.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@snakeNP215 I believe you, I'm going to give militia state armory a call about it, they been working on an improvement to the FRT trigger. I'm going to relay to them this information kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gspgq5V9t9bOfo0.html

@InternationalCombustion 2 жыл бұрын

I think the most impressive thing was seeing a bfa work…

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, making stuff run on blanks is trickier than ball. I also got a pile of bad BFAs in a drawer that you would be hard pressed to tell their bad just by looking.

@bonquiquihgii6836 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@wm.h.9123 Жыл бұрын

@Small Team Supply did the ATF really show up at your door and take these away?

@SmallTeamSupply Жыл бұрын

@Papasmurph010 2 жыл бұрын

Why are you firing with blank adapters?

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Because we are training with M.I.L.E.S. at One Shepherd. So are rifles are setup for blanks.

@tso115 2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised that both ran with blanks.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think blanks are a tougher reliablity test then ball for sure

@hatchetjack1031 2 жыл бұрын

Love my FRT, Don't like the fact that BIG Daddy copied and infringed on Rare Breed designs after RB did the work, BUT, the more the merrier! Now we need cheap ammo and replacement barrels. Thanks Gents !

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, I naively thought that WOT and Rarebreed had some kind of deal going at first. Unfortunately that wasn't the case.

@WhatAreYouBuyen 2 жыл бұрын

Get some wireless mics, goes a long way!

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

thanks! I'll look at getting some!

@ragscrazy9683 2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@VanguardxGaming 2 жыл бұрын

So this or Fostech?

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Still playing with the WOT. But i can say the biggest advantage the Fostech has is the ablity to strait up select between rapid fire and traditional fire mode. The WOT is much easier to pick up for rapid fire vs the fostech. I"m planning on doing a deep dive an analysis soon.

@EastTexasOutlaws 2 жыл бұрын

Good testing !!!!!!!!

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

thanks!

@hatchetjack1031 2 жыл бұрын

Until ammo becomes more available and less expensive, wearing one out is a moot concern. FRT pin/spring will not deform if BCG does not over impinge on it. Don't care which one, just get one! They are a GAS!

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

agreed! they both run! You might have to play with your buffer weights depending on the overall weight of your rifle and shooting position, But its simple enough.

@justinlance4174 2 жыл бұрын

Frt is not reliable. Buy the wot. Or any other forced reset.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@justinlance4174 I've been having some major ware issues with the WOT after 1,000+ rounds. I'm working with a company who will offer a replacement part for it. I'll announce it once I'm able to run it.

@wholietoads 2 жыл бұрын

That WOT IS THE BEST OF THEM ALL

@huaweijoe6473 2 жыл бұрын

Let's bet on who gets raided first...

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, Its a sad state of affairs.

@jdwojda 2 жыл бұрын

At least rare breed is actively litigating against atd overreach. Wot is pure theft.

@LordPerique 2 жыл бұрын

@@jdwojda copying isn't stealing, especially when you meaningfully alter the design.

@peterau1720 2 жыл бұрын

the new frt trigger they are coming out with is better though select fire haha

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm very excited to get one!!

@KillerKev1961 Жыл бұрын

WTF do you have on the flash suppressor? Oh....shooting blanks????? WTF?????

@SmallTeamSupply Жыл бұрын

Yup, and use them in simulated engagements with the MILES system. To learn small unit tactics and leadership.

@miamisniper6147 2 жыл бұрын

Soo WOT has slower rate ad it doesn't do single shot.. cool...

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Lucas was talking about his piston upper at home, It has a higher rate of fire than the gas tube guns we were testing. He had to throw a H2 buffer in his lower to help tame the piston. The single shot thing.... I'm going to have to explore more, likely requires some tuning to get it to perform.

@jacksin3323 2 жыл бұрын

I seen a dude do singles with a WOT by cranking down on the trigger and not letting it reset right away. Almost the opposite of what one may think to do. Fast, light press. Single, hard press and hold. Not sure if the RBT does the same, or if either would be damaged by this. I forget the dude but hes an asian guy that does nfa reviews.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@jacksin3323 I've had mixed results performing that action with the wot but I was using my home brew polymer lower at the time. I plan on throwing it in a milspec one soon and retesting.

@lokiwartooth1138 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like miles gear on the rifles.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Good eye! one rifle is sporting a 1980s basic miles sat the other is miles2000

@lokiwartooth1138 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply I've been schooled on how they work but never gotten the chance to train with them. Anything that acts as an analog for live fire training in a force on force situation can only aid in learning tactics and maneuvers.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@lokiwartooth1138 Absolutely! They are a great training aid, if you train to benefit from its strengths and don't get sucked into its weaknesses, but OCs are there to help with that. You can engage targets out to 500+ meters for small arms, you can throw it on vehicals and get them in the mix, and you can sleep/eat in the field under the threat of engagement, without stupid face masks or eye pro. But if you game it, you can confuse concealment as cover.

@lokiwartooth1138 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply man I'd love to come train

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@lokiwartooth1138 Yea for sure! there are a few places out here in Missouri and a couple in West Virginia. You get enough guys together and I could bring my toys to you.

@62TomL 2 жыл бұрын

Looking at the latest videos about these triggers on youtube. Looks like the ATF will be knocking on your door soon because you bought a trigger that was (is?) legal.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah plenty of channels trying to get folks wound up over a "leaked" email, seems hardly substantiated. We'll see.

@shawnwillis7561 2 жыл бұрын

Your saying the frt looks cheaper then the wot? You should look again. Frt is EDM and billet and the wot looks like it's cast from a mold of the frt.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

The WOT does look like it was investment cast. I was referring to what I perceived as a coating, and Lucas told me that the trigger pin locations on the FRT didn't match up with his lower receiver and he had to force the issue to make it fit.

@CR055FIRE 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply the tolerances of the frt drop in make it so it doesn't like certain systems (like the MK 18)

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@CR055FIRE ah, thanks for the info!

@tedjones450 2 жыл бұрын

WOT uses cast parts,

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Your absolutely correct

@cpage305 2 жыл бұрын

I think its MIM?

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@cpage305 correct! MIM, Powdered Metal, or investment casting. Either way its not billet and not a forging.

@Simple5.0 2 жыл бұрын

No matter how may triggers I’ve felt, never once have I described one as crisp.

@gutterfightsecrets 2 жыл бұрын

hell yeah

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

yea dude!

@brantingram 2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't hear them , crap audio

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

yeah, I'm sorry man, A lot of firsts for me on this one. I'll do better next time!

@jacksin3323 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply you can always put a wind blocker next to or around your mic. Literally a box will work in a pinch, also some fabric around your mic if its seperate. We used to use a lighbulb cage and pantyhose in a pinch. Just some cheap tips from an old audio guy thats had to make due with whatever was on set at the time.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@jacksin3323 thanks! I really appreciate the tips. This was the first time I had to deal with wind and was woefully unprepared, I shot that whole video and was super pumped about the content, until I reviewed it. Had to cut alot of footage and its still pretty rough sadly

@jacksin3323 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply it happens. Its a journey. Good luck w things.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@jacksin3323 Thanks for the words of encouragement!

@lanegregory6367 15 күн бұрын

They are both FRTs just different brands

@joewearsadroolbib7347 2 жыл бұрын

I can't hear 🦻🦻🦻🦻🦻🦻🦻🦻you!

@tomwilham4692 2 жыл бұрын

Wow just wow

@pilotmiami1 2 жыл бұрын

bravo

@sonnyragland7135 Жыл бұрын

Alamo15. Nuff' said.

@aaronjackson6257 2 жыл бұрын

What...?

@densedrummer 2 жыл бұрын

What?

@talongunter7717 2 жыл бұрын

Need to fix your audio couldn't understand half of what you where saying

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Tried to, was ill equipped for the wind. I'll do better next time.

@gorillamotors 2 жыл бұрын

can barely hear you guys talking.

@samuelflores8596 2 жыл бұрын

Basically it's comparing the real deal to a knockoff 👎

@justinlance4174 2 жыл бұрын

Wot is wayyy better. Doesn't break after firing.

@1LongTallTexan 2 жыл бұрын

WOT's and FRT's last great video's. Has the ATF confiscated your trigger's yet? Look's like it's over.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Alot of hysteria going on right now about it and the facts are unclear ATM. Usually things don't move as fast as what people are reporting.

@jamesa3291 2 жыл бұрын

Dude I understand what you are trying to do with this video but please take it down. You just called and compare it to a machine gun🤦🏾‍♂️ will all that’s going on with it right now The frt guy is fighting to keep it on the market and you make this video calling it a machine gun

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely correct, I was factually wrong, They are NOT machine guns. I was simply excited that these were really good semi auto triggers. I will make some video edits accordingly. Thank you for your feedback!

@LordPerique 2 жыл бұрын

What some guy on youtube says is entirely irrelevant to the pending litigation between Rarebreed and the ATF.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@LordPerique yeah, I thought that at first too. But after hearing rarebreed talk about their legal case that's exactly what the atf is doing

@LordPerique 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply okay so not entirely irrelevant, but still not pertinent to whether or not they're machineguns under the letter of the law.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@LordPerique Agreed!

@TheProHunting Жыл бұрын

Amateur-ish

@SmallTeamSupply Жыл бұрын

I'm needing to do an update to this video. The WOT dosn't hold up to long term use, and Milita state armory released an upgraded trigger bar to solve any long term issues with the rarebreed.

@TheProHunting Жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply All good brother. I didn't really intend to insult you, but should have phrased it better. Willl look forward to the update video. I will subscribe now too. All the best

@SmallTeamSupply Жыл бұрын

@@TheProHunting Thanks man!

@dustinmooring698 2 жыл бұрын

I don't take blank shooters seriously...

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe you should, the US military shoots a ton of blanks. Just sayin

@dustinmooring698 2 жыл бұрын

@@SmallTeamSupply yeah because you're trying to train a bunch of people who've never been around firearms. Holes on paper/hits on steel is how you get qualified.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@dustinmooring698 I shot a lot of paper before I got serious and started training with blanks.

@dustinmooring698 2 жыл бұрын

@Brooke B we used simunition for force on force.

@SmallTeamSupply 2 жыл бұрын

@@dustinmooring698 Simunition is great for across the room engagements, not across the pasture or trying to roll out of your fart sack at 4am.

@jiujitsuforall8627 Жыл бұрын

Dang you guys are sure blessed! In my wicked commie state those are verbotten. I'd love to have one of those FRT IF I could afford it and it was legal. One can only dream.

@SmallTeamSupply Жыл бұрын

Maybe you can solve the puzzle of how to fix it, or find a way to set sail to greener pastures. But like they say...."experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable"