Amen to that.

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well technically they state it needs shims the WOT so is it a defect ? or just a cheap design...

Could also be stacking tolerances with your lower reciever too, all the factors come together and can make it difficult for some builds

I do agree that the RB is the better quality product. Especially now that they have modified the locking bar on the Gen2 triggers.

I think the problem is you not the WOT ... no brains for installation, equals no funtion

@Gary johns Lol, did that rub you the wrong way? Personally I'm glad he's left his experience for all to see. He's bought multiple of both brands. Sure it could be his lack of knowledge. It could also be tolerance stacking. It could also be poor design.. Imo, that's no reason to be salty with the guy, we need to know ppl's experience. That way we can all make an educated decision. They aren't cheap, and we need unbiased accounts, lest we make the best purchase with the best product.

Awesome. Glad to hear that you didn’t have any issues with it. It’s a great trigger. I hope they can continue to make them. Time will tell. Thanks for watching.

An you are like me...I have seen your comment on EVERY one of these videos.

I thought the WOT needed a m16/full auto bolt to work? Did you swap out your sp1 bolt for an m16 bolt??

@@08lerash Sure did

I got the wot. Loved it so much I bought 2 more for the stache and sold both my FAbfs3 and fostech echo ar2 . I only want rarebreed, wot and graves v2 now. I'm turned out all the way. When I do my builds, it's mandatory that I install nik bor bcg, drop in cmc 2lb 3 gun trigger( bare minimum)Rise armament, fostech,franklin armory bfs3 trigger, with at least a h2 or h3 buffer and flatwire springs. What most people don't understand is the sole purpose of building your own rifle is to make sure the best top tier parts are in the rifle for optimal performance and no ftf , light strikes or jamming up. I hate it when I read about a 80% build that's all mil spec or cheap mil spec parts. When you build, build with the best you can buy. If you don't want to do that just go buy a diamondback or psa and go shoot.

Ye. Imo wot made the superior product. Reliability is a quality of its own

That is great. The pressure on the trigger is the ticket. Muscle memory spreads lead.

@@st9041 WoT needs a bit of tuning though. I have a rifle length buffer system in mine and a Anderson lower still doing some troubleshooting. It could be some user error though too. It is my second time shooting with that trigger. I get full semi auto most of the time but I do have a few jams here and there

Mine ran completely reliably no problems at all.

My rarebreed

Yes. BDU and RB will sort themselves out. We need to do as you say and make these a common item, to make sure these and other products like them stay around. Also, so other companies aren't afraid to come to market with innovative new products.

This. I believe that fighting the ATF in court is one way to win the battle, but the biggest win we can all have is mass non compliance. That's what ended the prohibition.

They recommend an H2 buffer which is 4.6-4.7 oz. But you should be good with the 4oz. T2 you have as a standard carbine buffer is only 3.0oz.

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 I ended up needing a T3. Thanks though!

@@claywilkins9527 Yeah, The Spikes Tactical buffers are weird wights that are kind of between the Carbine, H1, H2 and H3 buffer weights. It's always hard to say what will work with those as they are not industry standard weights.

As long as the BCG has the full auto cut on the back it should make the locking bar release the trigger. However a light weight BCG is generally used to reduce the cycle time of the firearm. Less reciprocating mass, faster cycle time, less felt recoil, faster back on target, etc. So you most likely have to add the weight back into the system some how to slow it back down. The FRT-15 especially, does not like to run super fast. Either with heavier buffers or just get a standard full auto BCG.

I actually sell them through my shop. Would you like one?

They should work. May require a little tuning with buffer weights/springs.

You'll need to use a heavier than normal buffer to avoid bolt bounce in a blowback setup. Haven't tried it myself but I've seen that a 10oz 9mm buffer worked for some people.

An 8.5” psa 9mm upper with their gen 4 bcg works fine. Odin works adjustable buffer running about 6.2oz and a spacer in the back of the buffer tube. Flawless, 2:30 ejection.

It works in an ar-9 set up as well? I did not see that in any of my looking around but that's great with 9mm a little cheaper than 5.56. And more fun some times

LOL. Yes I am in Pownal VT. The shop has been open now for a little over five years.

Not a bad choice. The Fostech triggers are great and you can switch between semi & binary which is nice too.

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 yes unfortunately it doesn't working my colt lower. So had to use a different lower

To fire a single round you've gotta immediately lift your finger off the trigger, which totally sucks for trying to make accurate shots of any kind. Turns out the gen 3 Rarebreed triggers that are coming out will have said capability, so that's super cool.

@@monkeysfromvenusok. You said you have to immediately lift your finger to avoid a 2nd shot. I understand this trigger is different than conventional. But if you pull it once, you get one shot, so if you hold it to the rear after the first shot, it doesn't fire again. I'm trying to understand why you couldn't hold it to the rear as long as you want to, and then release it and you would only have one shot fired?

@@adamr8628 The 'forced reset' deal means that you don't have to release the trigger pressure to reset the hammer for another strike...so holding back the trigger lets the bolt release the hammer with the 'locking bar' which is just about the same as the auto sear in an M-16. I think the ATF is going to confiscate these triggers (of both types) because they DO violate the 'one pull- one shot' rule of semi-auto even though mechanically they might look to be compliant. Whoever agreed to let them build these with an approval made a mistake....and everyone who bought one is going to pay the price I'm afraid. Here's a test for you guys with the FRT's: wrap a rubber band around the grip so it pulls the trigger. (I know....nobody will do this in real life...this is just a demonstration) On the FRT's if you load a mag and drop the bolt to chamber a round the gun will dump the mag all by itself...because the rubber band doesn't release the pressure just as you won't when using the trigger. ANY other semi-auto trigger on the market in ANY gun.....if you pull the trigger while dropping the bolt and chambering a round will NOT fire! You must release the pressure on the trigger to get the disconnector to reset. When I saw these triggers first released on the market I wondered how in the world they got them approved by BATF? Seems they've now had a change of mind and will be confiscating them. Not good for you or your dog. No sense poking the bear if you don't have to...right?

@@recoilrob324 Thanks for the detailed explanation. There is something else I was wondering that you hadn't really addressed, or maybe you did. You said that a rubber band attached to the grip will empty the magazine. Is the rubber band moving back and forth because of it's stretching? How is that different than a finger? And my main question is: Will holding your finger back allow the firearm to continue to fire? or do you have to move your finger back and forth with each shot?

@@adamr8628 I used the rubber band to simulate how the shooter will be pulling on the trigger just to eliminate the possibility of human interference. Yes when the gun is firing the trigger will be pushed slightly forward and the rubber band allows for this movement just like your finger will when shooting it. You just pull until it fires then maintain that amount of force and the trigger does the rest and dumps the mag. The 'Forced Reset' feature pushes the trigger forward a little which lets the hammer reset the trigger sear then the safety block (or auto sear if you will) holds it cocked until it's hit by the full auto carrier which then releases the hammer. Yes...if you hold the trigger back the FRT triggers will continue to fire (and fast!) until the magazine is empty.

You will not be able to pull the trigger. The locking bar does just that. It locks the trigger in the forward position until the portion of the full auto bolt carrier that would interact with the auto-sear in an M4, pushes the locking bar out of the way, allowing the trigger to be pulled. This happens when the bolt goes completely into battery. If you have a semi-auto cut BCG they are cut back further and will not interact with the locking bar. Therefore your trigger will not function. I show the difference between the two BCGs in the video.

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 so will it function as a semi auto or not at all

It will not work. You will not be able to pull the trigger.

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 last question is. I should be able to verify this with a function check right

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 while manually function the bolt. The reason i say this is because my bolt has alot more material than the semi bcg you showed in the video but less than the auto bcg you showed

Brownell's has them

Based & Basednell’s

If they just allowed us to register post 86 machine guns, pay the tax, and be done with it, they'd make a lot more money and we'd all be happier.

Well that is debatable. I can tell you if you go with a well known brand they will stand behind their products. Something like a BCA bolt carrier is absolutely fine. But if you can afford to buy something more expensive and your ok with spending you money on that, then go for a nicer one.

I have used Bear Creek Arsenal bcg’s in my builds and also I have a couple with high end ones like the Faxon Firearms E-BCG Nickel boron coated. They are both very reliable and work great.

Rock rivers bolt carrier works

LMT enhanced, Sionics NP3, Geissele REBCG

How you maintain them would be key too longevity.

Right I’m not a lawyer. They are in litigation for patent infringement. We’ll see how that plays out for RareBreed.

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 Yes. I have yet to read the complaint, but I am an attorney following the case.

@@michaellovin3522 Your name sounds like a name a lawyer would have. 🤣 What are your predictions -if any?!

Not their problem, they shouldn’t have to give you money back on something somebody else says you shouldn’t own. Tell the ATF to F off

I completely understand your feelings on the matter. It would be cool if you could select between semi or full-semi.

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 No doubt.

@@choke666 Stay tuned. I hear Rare Breed is coming out with a select fire model soon.

Umm... Pull and release your finger...viola you are now only shooting a single projectile.

Just out of curiosity, what length gas system is on that one? Good luck with your tuning. Check back and let me know what worked for you.

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732I tried 3 carbine length and the one I did get to run a few rounds was a pistol length. Two guys bailed out and sold em so when I get this one goin I'll let you know what it took.

If you run cheap steel case it will fire 2-3 round burst and fail to chamber another round. This is with a select fire M4A1 With H3 it runs perfect with MIL-SPEC M855

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 the H3 buffer did the trick

@@BM205 Awesome. I'm glad you got it running good. These triggers are really a ton of fun when you get them tuned in and running properly. Have fun sending lots of freedom seeds down range.

Your right. I did. Ment to say Big Daddy Unlimited. It's difficult to keep trach of all the names involved when your talking to the camera. My bad.

Thanks. I usually have that turned off. Guess I didn’t check this time.

right on you are mr short

its ok..you shouldn't worry, they completely will. After they finish going after these they will move on to your legal guns which is how these triggers started just like those guns... perfectly legal and inside any definition of a machine gun on the books.... But you better have a surrender plan like put all your guns in a bag or something, easier to hand over...... put a shirt with a target on your dog, make it easy for them. vs voicing the obvious online.

I'd venture to guess that if you find a store that carries them, walk in, and Cash is King. Don't tell anybody you have it, and you should be fine.

I say if you like your guns and rights dont buy questionable things like this.... unless its cash option.lol

Most customers purchase these with cash from us. There is then no way to track who they were or were they went to, as our receipt would say Walk-In Customer on it. If you were to use a card or a check, there would be a paper trail they "ATF" could follow if they wanted to do so.

I bought mine with a card for this reason. FATF and their jackboots. Treat them like you would any commie.

Yeah. They definitely have some play in the receiver, and your right, the trigger pull is very light on the WOT

What brand?

Just get a fostech

Incorrect. They both have a trigger return spring in the same location. I’ll drop another video tomorrow on how to modify the locking bar for the RareBreed. In that video I show the spring and how they work. Please Subscribe and hit the bell 🔔 so you don’t miss it.

Wrong

Any now they can no longer mfg. and sell them.

They purchased it from Graves. The patents.

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 sure. And the design has been around long enough people can make thier own as long as it's not a 1:1 copy. Like all the different single stage triggers, two stage and even binary.

@@howardwrentworth3359 LOL. now I wonder when Graves had originally filed for the patent as they are only good for 20 years if it was a utility patent. That is only with proper government upkeep and additional fees too.

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 I wonder myself. Now there is an issue in the case of the patent being licensed. It seems it's possible that rarebreed doesn't even own the patent. If memory serves me the first Starfire was about 20 years ago. Give or take. There is also another company with a patent on a forced reset trigger. The atf approved it. It doesn't work as well. Graves is coming out with a version 3. It's a mess. It's why from the beginning I doubted rare breeds claim. Glock comes to mind. A gen 3 can be cloned. A gen 5 can't. Same gun with a few differences.

I’m not sure what you mean. Could you say that again in a different way so I may better understand you comment.

@@equinoxtacticalsupply7732 I guess he is trying to say it’s a semi auto trigger and not a machine gun. That’s my guess on what he is trying to say

I think your right. 👍