Will EIGHT Tires Make This FASTER?

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We put EIGHT tyres on this Caterham in an effort to make the world a safer place. More wheels means more tyres which, obviously, means more safe.
We tried F1 tyres, but they weren't very practical and they were probably a little bit illegal. So, to prevent everyone from getting thrown in prison for using F1 slicks on the road, we headed back to the drawing board.
We then immediately realised that the theory was much simpler than putting it into practice - but after hours of research [types in ‘put 8 wheels on car’] - we figured it out.
All we had to do was: buy four extra wheels, weld them together - or rather have Richard do it, buy. 8 tyres and then fit them to a car.
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@OVERDRIVE.studios 2 жыл бұрын

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@pdjames1729 2 жыл бұрын

balance those double-rims and this is a long way from silly. not on the k7, wtf is going on with the steering? :D

@karolinaC1997 2 жыл бұрын

Have you guys tried F1 inters? They’re not slicks, hence technically legal 😂😂😂

@giordydaversa7759 2 жыл бұрын

Should’ve tried 2 pairs of tyres on the rear and 1 pair on the front

@tturi2 2 жыл бұрын

you guys should attempt to make your own f1 style ground effect venturi floor out of cheap abs sheets

@tturi2 2 жыл бұрын

@@importanttingwei7747 cheap abs diy style

@nightshade4873 2 жыл бұрын

try motorcycle tires on cars next? i kinda wanna see how the 7 would perform in those kinds of tires.

@Atsu100_ 2 жыл бұрын

Yea that would be interesting!

@someonecalledeulogio2280 2 жыл бұрын

I support that idea

@JohnnyWednesday 2 жыл бұрын

It's crazy, possibly stupid and wouldn't be easy to do - I love it!

@GewelReal 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds dangerous

@razghost2 2 жыл бұрын

No that is stupid, the contact patch would be tiny and the additional load will cause them to overheat.

@Saltience 2 жыл бұрын

"British lads do dumb things with cars" has an forever will be a treasured genre of entertainment

@lingtondaniel 2 жыл бұрын

TG4LYF

@piccalillipit9211 2 жыл бұрын

Its as iconically British as a cup of tea

@bageltondinglequandaleseba6928 Жыл бұрын

"Running over cup of coffees because tea is better, with 30 psi tires"

@rightrightrightuhhuhuhhuh6516 Жыл бұрын

"So why not just have four tires with twice as much width though?" "But... this one goes to Eleven"

@shadywhisper8455 2 жыл бұрын

This is peak Top Gear Golden Era vibes and I'm absolutely loving it

@Matty.Hill_87 2 жыл бұрын

Only thing missing was Jeremy Clarkson shouting "POWER" 😂

@flynnrod1268 2 жыл бұрын

@@Matty.Hill_87 And "SPEED"🤣

@gilius 2 жыл бұрын

My God!!! Its true!!!

@osumbuckeyenut 2 жыл бұрын

100%

@roidroid Жыл бұрын

heh i noticed it too, the casual dishonesty - which will inevitably lead to them being fired for being racist/fascist **achem**s within the decade. MEANWHILE: Real people in other channels are drive-testing ELECTRIC cars, which don't sound like a bus full of chav kids farting their entire way to school 🤷🏼‍♀. edit: nah that seems overly harsh, lets see what these people are *really like.*

@gameboyterrorysta6307 2 жыл бұрын

I imagine discussing engineering side of this solution: - Are you sure this scrub radius won't make this car undriveable in everyday commute? - What's a scrub radius?

@jlco 2 жыл бұрын

Important information for all the people worried about daily driving in their Caterham Seven.

@rightrightrightuhhuhuhhuh6516 Жыл бұрын

"So why not just have four tires with twice as much width though?" "But... this one goes to Eleven"

@MrROTD 2 жыл бұрын

dual tread tires actually were a thing, they had two separate contact areas on one rim but werent dualies.

@xBruceLee88x 2 жыл бұрын

There are also "double wide" tires, though mostly for larger trucks

@jadewalters8273 2 жыл бұрын

EA Falcon Twin Tyre system had them 1988 in here Australia

@deborahberner5569 2 жыл бұрын

The dual tread tires were originally designed for better traction in the rain.

@hackdaniels7253 2 жыл бұрын

JJD Twin Tyres was the firm who had the idea. I remember the car magazines tried hard to make it happen, but I know I never saw any in the wild.

@kylereese4822 2 жыл бұрын

The rat rod on " The Late Break Show " has wire wheels 4 on the rear 2 on the front...

@henkkaj73 2 жыл бұрын

So if the dual tire setup actually was half a second faster than original wheels then you should try with a very wide "single" wheel setup as well and see how the time on that track compares.

@bradwiller7706 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, some wide Micky Thompsons

@ahyaan2552 Жыл бұрын

335 section

@davidshamiri1448 Жыл бұрын

Or 16 tires

@Echiewel 8 ай бұрын

Most vehicles that use double wheels/tires only use them on the back axle. That would probably remove most of the steering issue, and much of the wobble. Still impracticle probably, and prone to damage, but worth a try if this was a serious idea rather than a funny video.

@PetrolHead_Works 2 жыл бұрын

Feels like new generation of Jeremy Clarkson, James May and Richard Hammond are finally emerging

@guycha0s380 2 жыл бұрын

Except this is not scripted

@filippivonka5181 2 жыл бұрын

same feeling from this episode

@AgentBacalhau 2 жыл бұрын

@@guycha0s380 I mean I know the majority of top gear was scripted but I have no doubt *some* improv happened and when it did it was funny

@SwainixFPV 2 жыл бұрын

glad you guys are getting it in English, we've had 2 blokes all over the french youtube for a while now ("Vilebrequin" they're called) and I think they're even better than Top Gear ahah

@dopecutza 2 жыл бұрын

Serious top gear vibes in the best way possible!

@kmonk101 2 жыл бұрын

The search for the perfect combination of tire performance and safety is truly some of the most important work being done on the internet today. Also keeps me laughing my fool head off. Please continue the great work!

@OddBawZ 2 жыл бұрын

Next on Driven Media: "We put a Caterham on our Caterham to make it faster!"

@fastandfhurious3213 2 жыл бұрын

Hey man didn't expect to see u here

@arcticwolfxxii9236 2 жыл бұрын

i see the motor vehicle world is quite small, been enjoying alot of your content recently odd lol

@fritzdaddy-135mmgetstagger4 Жыл бұрын

Next we put twin caterham engines in the the caterham

@Pyrethrumzilla 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like it would make more sense to do the dual setup in the back with singles in the front. That should make it drivable in tight areas.

@calebmanche6455 2 жыл бұрын

You guys have really stepped up your content lately and are quicky becoming one of my favorite channels on KZfaq!

@xjserpent7665 2 жыл бұрын

This gives me some old Top Gear vibes

@DocWolph 2 жыл бұрын

For normal street cars, not large commercial vehicles or "Dually" trucks, multiple tries has been looked at, experimented with, and occasionally made custom for one-off show cars. The idea was to have tires that gave a LOT more channeling for water on the road, differing treads could be stacked for varying road conditions, and it was harder to be stranded or otherwise stopped with a flat. It is still doable but the cost of it may be more prohibitive than going with top performance tires. Still it is a good idea.

@hackdaniels7253 2 жыл бұрын

Not just one off show cars - commercially available briefly in the 80s. JJD Twin Tyres marketed them.

@DocWolph 2 жыл бұрын

@@hackdaniels7253 You learn more everyday. Thanks.

@UnitSe7en Жыл бұрын

Do you guys think that dual rims no longer exist on new vehicles or something?

@pkomarek Жыл бұрын

@@hackdaniels7253 So clearly the next step is eight F1 tyres mixed between wet and dry compounds?

@tylervanorman492 2 жыл бұрын

This is the glorious genius of a couple guys raised on Old TG!

@kitsune.u4ea 2 жыл бұрын

To improve steering, maybe you could use double rear wheel but single front so there is less tire rubbing

@fritzdaddy-135mmgetstagger4 Жыл бұрын

Umm ...the point of the video was 8 wheels ..are you blind

@123marijn321 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoy the direction this channel is going, hilarious content!

@MotorStonder 2 жыл бұрын

basically a wide grooved tire with an extreme middle groove also this video is if Top Gear was KZfaqr edition

@olivialambert4124 2 жыл бұрын

I remember watching the tutorial videos years ago. I never thought I'd see the day when Driver 61 became Garage 54.

@BrendanEvan 2 жыл бұрын

Probably needs active ground effects and 12 tires for max grip and safety.

@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294 2 жыл бұрын

But sixteen would more better plus.

@farmerstephen 2 жыл бұрын

We used to put double wheels on to reduce compaction on our tractors when going on the fields but that isn’t a issue on the road. Double wheels also puts huge strain on the drive shafts. Now we have given up with double wheels and just put 1 extra wide wheel on

@klo1679 2 жыл бұрын

One step further is tracks or half tracks. Like on the case row tracks and quadtracks. More surface area, and less rips up the ground a little when turning. At least on the bigger ones. Honestly I haven’t seen any difference driving them between tracks and wheels, but driving on triples hurts my soul

@farmerstephen 2 жыл бұрын

I’m from the UK and we don’t have triples here. Also our tractors are below 300hp so not on tracks either.

@fritzdaddy-135mmgetstagger4 Жыл бұрын

@@farmerstephen yall dont even have flavor so im not surprised

@danieljryba 2 жыл бұрын

Every time I see that Caterham, it makes me sad that they're not easily available here in the USA...

@drnerd 2 жыл бұрын

I love this mad content, keep it rolling fellas!

@michaelantonius321 2 жыл бұрын

I've just realized this is the same track Car Throttle use for their testing, Very nice.

@ericwilkins8809 2 жыл бұрын

Do variable ratio tire. Cute the 17" tire and 20" tire in half combine these tire. The 20" outside bead 17" inside tire. Do this to all four tires. You could retain the soft ride with the 17" and use the 20" for aggressive turning. Good luck

@custommotor 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think that would work like you think it will since all 8 tire should always be in contact with the ground. It will only flex as much as the 20 in tires and really with both the 17 and 20 it would probably be stiffer since each tire is handling less weight.

@ericwilkins8809 2 жыл бұрын

Tire is a variable ratio tire. That means we are making a new design tire. Outside diameter 20" inside diameter 17". Tire size could be 225/45-20R:65-17

@dwiesch 2 жыл бұрын

"Double up on tyres, double up on grip" 😆 This probably wouldn't have been such a disaster if you'd only done the rear (and if you'd done a propper twin rim setup where the tyres don't rub each other)... but putting twin tyres on the front... there's a reason this is just not done. From the camber and toe causing ungodly tire wear to the steering kinematic just being completely fudged. Fun to watch tho. Suggestion for another video: Tuners always go with harder and lower shocks to look track ready. What if you were to take this to the extreme, fitting solid shocks to that caterham? (It'll obviously be a disaster, but would be entertaining and show just how important a good suspension is, could be right up your alley)

@PePe_FIN Жыл бұрын

Search youtube for MasterMilo Steel tube suspension TEST (no suspension at all). From same channel "Driving without shock absorbers" is also quality entertainment.

@philipegoulet448 2 жыл бұрын

I got some strong top gear vibes from this, and i loved every minute of it!

@romanfambach9692 2 жыл бұрын

This content is really enjoyable! maybe try like a 25 minute video with you guys also showing the workshop process of making these things. show the banter you guys are having designing and making the stuff. I dont know anything about being a content creator, you guys know what works, but i would like to see stuff like that! Keep it up Driven Media! I am really liking the vibe and banter and all the funny ideas you guys come up with!

@jimr5703 2 жыл бұрын

Hope you lowered the tire pressure accordingly. Better grip, smoother ride. The welding could have been more precise, I think....

@sghsdhdkfh Жыл бұрын

And they become a semi truck too

@HybridMiranda Жыл бұрын

This genuinely feels like a new, younger version of the old Top Gear, as well as the chemistry between the hosts... I adore it, please keep it up. This is amazing content, I can't believe it's free... I feel like I should be paying for each episode.

@zqzj 2 жыл бұрын

Throw some Corvette ZR1 rear tires on the front and back. Hey rid of that extra sidewall weight, and increase the contact patch.

@luisvilleda4616 Жыл бұрын

1:31 "I'm all about peak of performance as you can probably tell" best line ever.

@AujiTheSquirrel 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think you guys may be the only suitable replacement for Clarkson, Hammond, and May. Not that I want them replaced, but for when that unfortunate time comes. You guys have that perfect amount of comedic bickering.

@lgeethakumary7802 2 жыл бұрын

Now this series is actually better than current day topgear. Loved it. Wanna see more of this stuff.

@Sa3vis 2 жыл бұрын

I love how committed they are to the bit

@davidmanning1474 Жыл бұрын

Scott's face looking at the tires "I should have tried harder in f1"

@swecreations 2 жыл бұрын

Wait, you did the single wheel testing on lightweight alloys and semi-slicks but the double-tire testing on regular tires and steelies? Wouldn't that skew the results a lot?

@zackybinantara3292 2 жыл бұрын

Its so op with slicks they nerf it with normal tires

@Andresroman12 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe leave it as a 6-wheeler, only increase the grip in the back?

@jeffthompson9887 2 жыл бұрын

Understeer could become a problem though...

@AnimalzyNL 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely loving this channel, keep it up guys! On a side note, I think just double rears could be pretty sick on one of those

@sugershakify 2 жыл бұрын

You've nailed the Irish Gypsy vibe with it now. 🤣

@arboris 2 жыл бұрын

Not taking into account the performance or anything, but putting extremely wide wheels on the Caterham really does wonders for its look

@namenamename390 2 жыл бұрын

This is slowly turning into Top Gear 2.0 and I'm all for it

@Spedley_2142 2 жыл бұрын

Tyre pressure is very important here. Suspension geometry means the wheels will often not be perpendicular to the road, especially on corners. Tyres need to be at half the pressure (10-20psi) and then adjusted (inside/outside/front/rear) to provide maximum traction.

@EdwardVarner Жыл бұрын

I just found this channel yesterday. The 4th video in the series between the Subi and the Lambo was suggested. Watched the entire playlist and it was awesome. Tried this video today just to see if it was a one hit wonder with the Subi showdown and ... it wasn't! Ya'll earned a sub so its now 5.000001% subbed lol

@RonnieBlum 2 жыл бұрын

I love how silly this channel is, I am always looking forward to the new ways to get more grip

@Endless-River Жыл бұрын

This really feels like an old Top Gear episode, nice job lads!

@Ash14760 2 жыл бұрын

This gives serious old top gear vibes

@danielneeland2034 Жыл бұрын

I saw something like this about three decades ago. Guy in an Audi (maybe) was upset that he couldn’t keep up with a 2CV in sloppy weather. He mounted 8 2CV tires to his Audi with stunning results. The total load per tire was about the same. Paired skinny little tires versus wide stock tires. That experiment had much better execution. They allowed space between the paired tires so they didn’t rub under load. They allowed for axle load in comparing contact patch. The paired 2CV tires shed water better than the standard (high performance) tire though they did weigh more at each axle. The paired tires couldn’t beat stock tires under normal conditions, but outperformed in wet “real world”. Thanks for the video.

@Matty.Hill_87 2 жыл бұрын

Tyrell already proved more wheels equals more better

@BobMonkeypimp 2 жыл бұрын

Love the content but don't be afraid of longer videos. The F1 tyre videos were disappointingly short.

@deccas2020 2 жыл бұрын

Please keep making more videos like this, this is amazing.

@SirDaffyD 2 жыл бұрын

This reminded me of back in the 1980's when the great Aussie racing driver Peter Brock (R.I.P) did something very similar to a Holden Commodore. It handled better, had better grip, and the tyres run cooler. The suspension had been modded to handle the package. He even had it made legal in Australia. He tried marketing it, but it didn't take off. To extreme and expensive for the times. Another great entertaining video guys. Looking forward to what strange idea you come up with next.

@hungryutkarsh Жыл бұрын

If Scott keeps going like this, he'll turn into Jeremy. 😂

@THEAilin 8 ай бұрын

crazy how much Scott hated those tyres but then put them on his KA when offroading!

@Ssibs647 2 жыл бұрын

the interplay between the guys is really good. not quite old top gear but still great

@JCarinus 2 жыл бұрын

"I am the HR department". XD Had me in absolute stitches.

@DetroitMicroSound 2 жыл бұрын

Back in the early car racing world, dual wasn't uncommon in the rear, because all tires were narrow...

@Mighty_Atheismo 2 жыл бұрын

Loving these videos boys. Yall should call the series like... Knob Gear: Oops All Ornagutans.

@fuzzymonkey87 2 жыл бұрын

It's basically four wheel drive now. Pure genius.

@arcticfoxpi 2 жыл бұрын

A few companies made an alloy wheel set called "JJD Twin Tyres" years ago. Would be good to see how they compare to your DIY versions here.

@bossphone1029 2 жыл бұрын

The only thing missing is Jeremy Clarkson shouting: "Poweeerr, & Speeeed" 🤣🤣 brilliant wallah

@nickrudd2568 2 жыл бұрын

My old boss tried boosting the weight our van carried by fitting bigger tyres to the duely back end, The Tyres rubbed at the bottom when it was loaded and it dint take long to get a side wall blow out which took both tyres on the driver side out. BIG BANGS

@WestCoastRacingLeague 2 жыл бұрын

I really like this series. Also what the heck do Caterham make their axels out of?! I thought it was game over with the F1 tires and was sure for these....

@liampettican9750 2 жыл бұрын

Okay doing this to test myself but I reckon they will come to conclusion the material matters more than the contact patch and the the extra weight at the hubs offset any gains in grip

@302ci1968 Жыл бұрын

You do for us what we talk about with petrolheads friends (when drunk). So much fun, thank you!

@VEETEEARR 2 жыл бұрын

Great experiment, have you thought about trying tyres with different profiles on the inner and outer front tyres?

@edgarbeat275 2 жыл бұрын

In the 1980s there was a twin tyre accessory two were fitted to the Sbarro Challenge of the 1980s. I forget the name of the twin wheel tyre. It has two valves on the outer side of the wheel.

@julianthuraisingham9617 2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of old school top gear! Keep it up.

@jeffarcher400 Жыл бұрын

There's so many benefits to the dual dually design. First it's trucker tested and approved but there's more. Run flat of course,no need to stop in a dangerous spot and get dirty. High speed blowouts should be stabilized. Double sidewalls should resist cornering loads better. Good rain groove should resist hydroplaning. That same groove creates a cup for flotation in sand and in snow could form it's own rail. Aluminum rims would be lighter and power steering is a must. I've been thinking about a concave center motorcycle tire. It would be less pizza cutter, have two high pressure contact patches per tire and wide spread with low rolling resistance. I'm hoping it might drift instead of wash out.

@vonvolfen 2 жыл бұрын

You guys crack me up, good stuff! Maybe this would work better with stock wheels on the front and the doubles on the rear?

@phoenix_plays_3515 Жыл бұрын

This is the best channel ive discovered lately!

@imissvine6737 Жыл бұрын

i love how scott is just the stig but with a personality

@Tweej 2 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna be honest, I didn't expect this pairing to become a great comedy duo. Pleasant surprised.

@ALBA-ku9pq 2 жыл бұрын

PLS MAKE THIS INTO LIKE A SERIES OR SHOW

@peterschmidt1453 2 жыл бұрын

The concept is sound for improved safety, just like dual wheels heavy trucks. The tyres definitely need to be thinner, too little weight over a large contact area can also reduce the road grip, especially in the wet.

@hackdaniels7253 2 жыл бұрын

Trucks have dual wheels for reduced ground pressure - the load is spread over a greater area.

@titanli4411 2 жыл бұрын

would love to see a series of these, gives me old top gear vibes.

@Duck-ns6cp 2 жыл бұрын

Lol, your videos now looks like grand tour episode, and i absolutely love it

@marcns007 Жыл бұрын

I once bought some narrow wheels with snow rally tyres on for my old Caterham with BL stud pattern and it spun the wheels in every gear. It was for one of those trails events with my local motor club. I got disqualified for not having road tyres :)

@victorblakey4260 Жыл бұрын

During the 1980’s, a company called JJD Performance tyres sola dual tyre setup that could be made for any car. It was a single alloy wheel set up to take twin narrow tyres (as any truck driver will tell you, you need a gap between the tyres to allow for sidewall flex, otherwise the tyres will overheat and catch fire). The idea worked reasonably well by all reports, but was poorly promoted, and eventually disappeared.

@TC-V8 2 жыл бұрын

4x4 tyres to turn the Caterham into an off road monster!

@tomcardale5596 2 жыл бұрын

It's not surprising the braking was worse, you add width which means (for the same pressure) you're reducing contact patch length. Therefore you're reducing axial traction.

@dragancrnogorac3851 2 жыл бұрын

So we are catching up with garage 54 at this point 🤣😂🤣 I love it

@JohnnyWednesday 2 жыл бұрын

You're a far more entertaining "upper sprocket" than the other ones - from my perspective :)

@AngelAndTheWolf Жыл бұрын

Try it again, but with skinny wheels and tyres. It's the Tyre edges that grip in corners. You can solve bulge rub by using spacers between the wheels. There once was a tyre called Twintire that had a deep groove in the center to simulate two skinny tyres on one wheel.

@yt_Ajay_ 2 жыл бұрын

The Top Gear influence on these KZfaq channels is so delightful to watch.

@Kacpa2 Жыл бұрын

Callum is orangutang of this trio xD With bit of the hamster.

@fillman86 2 жыл бұрын

okay, for people not understanding, I had this explained to me a while ago. Double the contact patch, half the weight pushing down on each tyre, meaning half the traction per tyre. Meaning it doesn't give more traction. Doubling the load spread like that also keeps the tyres cooler, because they aren't being worked as hard. This would be not great, but it means you can run softer tyres, and they won't over heat. This is why race tyres aren't just soft, but also really wide :)

@fillman86 2 жыл бұрын

@Leonardo Dias yes, but real world it's so minimal that you probably wouldn't notice, and any benefit would probably be outweighed by the weight. Though you are right, soz

@AngelFloyd27 2 жыл бұрын

Mate, this is brilliant.

@stacksmalacks8826 Жыл бұрын

These videos are better than modern topgear or the grand tour. Absolutely fantastic

@sleep7.5R 2 жыл бұрын

This series is hilarious. Love it

@overlived 2 жыл бұрын

More of this! Great stuff guys

@SrPequenoRato 2 жыл бұрын

this video really feels like a top gear episode. I LOVE IT

@Bigglesworth_OWeezer Жыл бұрын

I like the tea party you all were having at the begining.

@donovanpeters5764 Жыл бұрын

Not to mentioned on this creation, your differential is not adjusted for two tire on the back even if its listed slip,remember out wills always move fast than inner wheel when making a turn so having two wheels together, would have to be configured different in the differential(e.g. the differentials gears).

@falcongamer5867 2 жыл бұрын

Very impressive, now add an extra axle

@richardtickler8555 2 жыл бұрын

How about conical wheels to work against the loss of contact patch when the suspension is pushed further in?

@lordflufffluff Жыл бұрын

I know that they are rc drift cars with wheels like that.

@bugheman 2 жыл бұрын

isn't 2 normal wheels/tires the same as one wide tire?

@zezarusgaming9286 2 жыл бұрын

Dually trucks and tractors(semitrucks) Have a gap between the tires to prevent rubbing. Your brake test was contending with increased rotating mass. Aluminum instead of steel would help a lot. Additionally you can safely run lower tire pressure since the load is spread out across more tires. You should try it again, but try a bit harder.

@Cloxxki Жыл бұрын

Such a cheap solution. I want it. And I'd do it with a (relatively) heavier car and tyres made for a light vehicle, run them at low pressure. The extra sidewall should HELP for side load. Heck, I'm having bespoke carbon rims done and fitting semi slicks. The channel between the tires can channel any water on the road surface into the ambient air.

@Mr_Bedlam215 2 жыл бұрын

I love how Scott, while he has a healthy sense of humor about it, he also is visibly in emotional distress lmao. It's top gear all over again. A good time was had by all, me included.