Will The Original Black Sabbath Reunite?...What We Would Like To See Happen. Sabbath Sunday!

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Lair of the Alchemist

Lair of the Alchemist

14 күн бұрын

There's been lots of talk in the press from Geezer, Ozzy and Tony about putting the original Black Sabbath back together. John and Darin discuss if they think it will happen and how we would like to see it done if it does.

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@archie6962
@archie6962 12 күн бұрын
One more album with the original 4 please. 🙏
@kevinturchin
@kevinturchin 11 күн бұрын
I’d be just as happy, if not more, if the original four members just did a speaking tour just talking about their career.
@martymartin2894
@martymartin2894 11 күн бұрын
Ozzy on a speaking tour lol he sings better than he talks and that's not saying much.
@kevinturchin
@kevinturchin 11 күн бұрын
@@martymartin2894 The others could be his interpreters.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
I would love that!
@prosperoeaton8201
@prosperoeaton8201 10 күн бұрын
I agree that live performances aren't necessary. I'd love to hear a studio album. 13 is not one of the stronger Sabbath records. It would be great to hear something less forced and more inspired.
@drewrose374
@drewrose374 12 күн бұрын
I agree with Darin, No Tour but an album with the original guys no outside writers or producers. Sadly John is correct with managers and lawyers will get in the way. I would love a one last album, 8 killer tracks with the original guys and Tony producing! I mean the Forbidden Remix and the remastering of Martin era sounds amazing!
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 11 күн бұрын
The only problem is you still need an album label to put that out
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 11 күн бұрын
That means lawyers to draw up a contract for a record deal it's just hard to do nowadays
@ALTDOK667
@ALTDOK667 12 күн бұрын
I agree that a new album or some new recording with the O4 would be awesome!
@martymartin2894
@martymartin2894 11 күн бұрын
The idea is good but it actually wouldn't, because there would be ghost writers or ai and all sorts of falseness on Ozzie's voice because he's no longer able to sing.
@ALTDOK667
@ALTDOK667 11 күн бұрын
@@martymartin2894 Respectfully, I disagree. And it's Ozzy.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 11 күн бұрын
I don't even know if they can do an album it is taking Tony Iommi 8 years to finally get around to recording a solo album
@mikemilana5329
@mikemilana5329 11 күн бұрын
I saw ozzy and geezer and tony in studio just jamming and it was great. Get BillWard behind the kit and you have got something special
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
agree
@NicholasPayne-uq2rt
@NicholasPayne-uq2rt 11 күн бұрын
Whenever I watch Sabbath Sunday it's like Darin is at Black Sabbath headquarters and is the font of knowledge for all things Sabbath. Great show guys. I think perhaps an EP and maybe a promotional gig with old and new songs like the Stones did with Hackney Diamonds .
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
Darin's great.
@darinmccloskey9906
@darinmccloskey9906 11 күн бұрын
Aw shucks... Thank you ❤
@user-pl2rw5cg7e
@user-pl2rw5cg7e 12 күн бұрын
Thanks guys great discussion
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
You're welcome
@zubrycky
@zubrycky 11 күн бұрын
A new album with the original Black Sabbath produced by Rodger Bain would be awesome.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
Great idea!
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 7 күн бұрын
@@zubrycky well that won't happen Rodger Payne is 80 years old
@Skycladatdusk78
@Skycladatdusk78 12 күн бұрын
I'd love a final album, they're still capable right now of coming up with something good. As for a tour, I'd like to see Tony Martin singing since Ozzy most probably can't do a full set night after night at this point.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 11 күн бұрын
Neither can Bill Ward and Tony doesn't want to leave England and I don't think Geezer Butler wants to do that full-time
@thomasmandeno2776
@thomasmandeno2776 12 күн бұрын
All these other people should just piss off. The fact that Rubin may have approached it like this, really rubs me the wrong way. It’s criminal to interfere with the phenomenon that is Black Sabbath.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
Unfortunately once money gets involved that ruins everything.
@mainzergirl9610
@mainzergirl9610 11 күн бұрын
Fun discussion. I'm w/Darin: collaborate, produce, don't tour. John: apologies for going off topic but ... listening to Opeth's Devils Orchard today, i thought "what are the great, long riffs?"
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
I'll check out that Opeth song.
@Misfitnz8
@Misfitnz8 12 күн бұрын
I didn’t get to see them live and I would love to but if not a proper last album with all 4 original members would the the best
@nickgonzalez4081
@nickgonzalez4081 10 күн бұрын
A few days ago Ozzy cancelled an appearance at a moster movie convention that's happenning this month in Arizona. Doctor's orders they said. He's not able to travel. Ozzy may be in a worse condition than what we know. I wonder if he could still sing. It would be awesome if they reunited for a little something. Even one or 2 songs, but I fear about Ozzy's health and Bill's for that matter....
@stevebasney1423
@stevebasney1423 12 күн бұрын
Yeah 13 was a bit disappionting although I did enjoy it at the time. Now I rarely even think of it. Would LOVE to hear some new music from them--just one more time please! Even just an EP, I totally agree! No tour necessary. Not even a one off show. Maybe a video or minidocumentary, but the time for live shows has long past. Been listening to them since I was a kid in the 70's, sure going to miss them.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
I'm the same way with 13
@durvalrodrigues9741
@durvalrodrigues9741 12 күн бұрын
Thanks guys. I totally agree I saw them in the late 90's with Bill and it was amazing. I went to the final tour here in Toronto and I was a little disappointed, the band was great but Ozzy struggled on vocals. An album with the four members would be great for sure.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
Thanks
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
An album would be the best thing they could do it at their own pace they could produce it themselves and come out with a much better album
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
I Agree
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 11 күн бұрын
Sounds great but they would still need a label to put that out that means a record label lawyers to draw up a contract and then the album would come out
@neuroisis85
@neuroisis85 12 күн бұрын
We don't need it. I would love a Iommi and Tony Martin tour though.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
Tony can't tour though he said he would not leave England
@jimmycampbell78
@jimmycampbell78 12 күн бұрын
I was about to post the same thing. I would be far more interested in a Sabbath tour with a Tony Martin - Tony Iommi lineup performing the Martin material and even Ozzy/Dio material as we know Tony Martin can do it justice. I can’t imagine Ozzy getting through a significant gig nowadays, never mind a tour. Bill Ward has had health problems for decades as well, I just can’t see it and I would not want it.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
I think Bill said he just can't play the drums well enough to power Black Sabbath in a tour but he can still play the drums well enough to do a song or two
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
I agree
@kevinhodgson8508
@kevinhodgson8508 12 күн бұрын
Just forget about tours ... There are huge health issues with 3 of them at least ( especially Bill , which is one reasons he was totally shafted by them in the first place ) ... If they regroup and play together then maybe some live streamed events could be interesting ( this maybe also relevant for Iommi related projects with Glenn Hughes / Tony Martin / Ian Gillan plus respective line ups ) ?! ... Bill's drumming from the first album through to Never Say Die is nothing short of phenomenal . I saw them live at Newcastle City Hall ( UK ) in 1978 , definitely one of the best gigs I ever attended . Bill was also largely prominent in the band's mid to late 70's self management phase ( after being almost bankrupted by former managers and legal firms ) which is why the treatment he has received in recent years is in my view is so particularly heinous . He's also a great artist / singer in his own right who's albums are terrific .
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
Awesome you saw them in 78
@DylanHoff
@DylanHoff 12 күн бұрын
Tony Martin tour would be mind blowing.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
I would rather see Tony Iommi Geezer Vinny and Phil Anselmo and make an album
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
I would love that...call the band Headless Cross.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 11 күн бұрын
They would call that band Heaven and Hell
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 11 күн бұрын
@@LairoftheAlchemist they could call the band Heaven and Hell
@MosoKaiser
@MosoKaiser 8 күн бұрын
​@@mikekeeler6362 They already did...
@jonrhythm3686
@jonrhythm3686 12 күн бұрын
When Johnny Cash covered NINs Hurt he didn't try to hide his age he leaned into it, even made a video for it and people absolutely loved it. I guess it turns out that some people think old people still have value beyond their peak years. We live in a society that chronically tries to hide its flaws because its flaws are always being splattered across the internet. Well old is not a fucking flaw, its a fucking fact of life that we all gotta get solid with IF we're lucky enough to make it that far, imho. So it seems to me that it behooves us to be kind to old people and that we should encourage them to make more art and we should not bitch and complain over our selfish wants but be grateful for whatever we get.
@darinmccloskey9906
@darinmccloskey9906 12 күн бұрын
Age won't prohibit making music but unfortunately it will prohibit Ozzy from physical activity, especially something as strenuous as live performances. Believe me, at 55 yrs old, I have plenty of respect for the elderly :)
@jonrhythm3686
@jonrhythm3686 12 күн бұрын
Agree, personally I don't think playing live would suit them but doing a song or 2 in the studio could be great under the right circumstances.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
It would be cool for them to make some songs that maybe reflect on their years together.
@technodrome
@technodrome 11 күн бұрын
We’ve seen some amazing Sabbath drummers including Cozy himself, but Sabbath is best with Bill Ward.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
Agreed
@purpletemple1
@purpletemple1 12 күн бұрын
A final album of the original 4 would be AWESOME. The 2 Ozzy/ Iommi songs on Ozzy's last album are very good...they can do it, and even better with Geezer and Bill. We need a proper closure. Cheers.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
Agreed
@thomasmandeno2776
@thomasmandeno2776 12 күн бұрын
I don’t think we need it. Leave as it is. I’ve never seen Bill live, but it’s too late for that. The time was the last reunion, and that’s on them for not making it happen.
@martymartin2894
@martymartin2894 11 күн бұрын
I just posted the same thing it's a disgrace the way they didn't include him last time.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
I would agree on the live front, but I wish they had finished with an album stronger than 13
@jonathanlundeen8954
@jonathanlundeen8954 11 күн бұрын
Bill put out a short video a couple of months ago with 3 guys that work with him in the studio
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
I missed that.
@jonathanlundeen8954
@jonathanlundeen8954 11 күн бұрын
@@LairoftheAlchemist I don't think it's on KZfaq, might have been Facebook
@jonathanlundeen8954
@jonathanlundeen8954 11 күн бұрын
@@LairoftheAlchemist It was Jan 1 on his IG
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
Problem is is you will need a record label if you want to put the album out
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
I don't think they would have a problem finding one.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
20 years from now the members of Sabbath would be in their mid-90s and I know I won't be here 20 years from now
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
That's why they need to get it going now
@gerryorangefan6150
@gerryorangefan6150 12 күн бұрын
Just release some recorded music. How about a studio version of the song Scary Dreams.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
That would be cool.
@martymartin2894
@martymartin2894 11 күн бұрын
Too little too late Ozzy, Sharon must want more money. They should have brought him back for 13 and let him play a couple of songs or whatever he was able along side Tommy clefetos who done a great job in my opinion.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
True
@tjp692001
@tjp692001 11 күн бұрын
Would like to see the band do another album and a few shows with Bill and with a singer who can actually sing. That doesn't include Ozzy at this stage, he was flat on every song back on the 2016 tour. Maybe Mike Patton? Is Axel Rose a Sabbath fan? (lol) You know its Ozzy and Sharons fault Bill wasn't on 13.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
Ozzy struggles live, that's for sure.
@jonathanlundeen8954
@jonathanlundeen8954 11 күн бұрын
Ozzy is still in LA and even had to cancel a recent appearance
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
Think he owns a place in LA and England.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
The only problem with the reunion is Bill once more than one show he wants to do like 20 shows
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
I guess we'll see
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
They're not going to do any shows in the US
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
Probably not
@SJ-ty5rw
@SJ-ty5rw 12 күн бұрын
To be honest Ozzy is not in good health to perform any longer . He has a form of parkinsons , and you can hear even when he speaks his voice is different . Tony should tour with Glenn Hughes , Sharon stopped them from touring Fused in 2005 . and both Tony and Glenn wanted to play live .
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
Tony said he can't tour and he's not going to leave England
@TheWolfe666
@TheWolfe666 11 күн бұрын
Iommi solo album, please.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
I'm looking forward to it.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
Ozzy will be 76 December 3rd
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
I actually thought he was older than that.
@brawlmaster127
@brawlmaster127 11 күн бұрын
Play MSG 3 nights
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
Not sure they could physically pull that off anymore.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 2 күн бұрын
I just wish they would forget about it and that Tony Iommi makes a couple of solo albums all that other stuff is just old
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 2 күн бұрын
I'd be good with that.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
Tony still has cancer he still gets treatments the cancer does not go away you have to treat it
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
That would make it hard for him to do any kind of touring.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 11 күн бұрын
He could do a small tour in England and that would be about it
@DylanHoff
@DylanHoff 12 күн бұрын
I have never seen Ozzy . Would be awesome, but I know, at this point, believing in Ozzy is like believing in Biden. Eddie Trunk is a poser. He never heard of Fates Warning. 😅
@darinmccloskey9906
@darinmccloskey9906 12 күн бұрын
Hahahaha
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
I remember Eddie Trunk once saying that he only owned a greatest hits album for the Ozzy years.
@inmyhouse11
@inmyhouse11 12 күн бұрын
I would rather see Sabbath get back with Tony Martin instead. Ozzy is done.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
There won't be another Black Sabbath album unless it's at least three of the four Originals so anything with Tony Martin would have to be a different name
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 12 күн бұрын
I would like that also...call the band Headless Cross.
@martymartin2894
@martymartin2894 11 күн бұрын
​@@mikekeeler6362yes just like with dio because Sharon owns the name.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 11 күн бұрын
@@LairoftheAlchemist Ozzy and Tony on 50% of the name 50% for Ozzy and 50% for Tony
@djacobmadrigal
@djacobmadrigal 11 күн бұрын
Ozzy is way past his prime. Iommi still has it I believe but Ozzy does not. 13 I felt wasn’t that good. A new release would probably be worse.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
I think Ozzy could pull it off in the studio, live is a different story
@Palace-of-Madness
@Palace-of-Madness 12 күн бұрын
why u cut ya hair off???
@luiscardenas930
@luiscardenas930 12 күн бұрын
Must be on a ponytail, or under his cap.
@jimmycampbell78
@jimmycampbell78 12 күн бұрын
He hasn’t, I think its tied back under his cap.
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
It's in a ponytail, it's hot here in Florida so I have my hair up a lot in the summer.
@Palace-of-Madness
@Palace-of-Madness 10 күн бұрын
@@LairoftheAlchemist Cool. Your hair is too cool to cut lol
@akaboo69
@akaboo69 2 күн бұрын
They are too old. But Iommi and Geezer are semi healthy but no live performances
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 2 күн бұрын
I agree
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 12 күн бұрын
I think Bill said he just can't play the drums well enough to power Black Sabbath in a tour but he can still play the drums well enough to do a song or two
@LairoftheAlchemist
@LairoftheAlchemist 11 күн бұрын
I'm guessing that is the case
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