WIYB Toolmakers Collaboration Machinist Vice Part 2

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Abom79

Abom79

8 жыл бұрын

We're continuing on with the machining of the machinist vice for Keith Fenner's What's In Your Box giveaway.
Not only is this a cool project to work on, it is allowing me to get familiar with my newly repaired machine, and making some heavy milling chips in my shop. We'll use some large roughing mills, and even show a big HSS shell mill being used.
More milling to follow in next episode.

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@garyc5483
@garyc5483 8 жыл бұрын
Great to see the K&T doing what it was made for. It was hogging off some nice chips there. The rebuild was a great success.regards from the UK
@SDCustoms
@SDCustoms 8 жыл бұрын
Great work Adam! I greatly admire just how good of a machinist you are! I've been trying the past few years to start my shop up with basic metal working hand tools and a couple drill presses. I finally started looking for a good mill and lathe to buy last week and was blown away by how expensive they are! LOL! After almost accepting the fact I would never have a machine shop, my neighbor told me someone in his family has a lathe and mill I can have!! I'm pretty exited and am going to watch your videos more often so if I get them, I will soon be a true metal worker! Thanks for all the work you do in your videos!!
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
+W.Co.VIDS That's great! Your soon to have your own machine shop!
@hopper1
@hopper1 8 жыл бұрын
+W.Co.VIDS I was in your situation not too long ago. Searching for machines takes patience. They're out there. It took me a little over a year to find the lathe I wanted in decent condition and at a price I could afford, but it was worth the wait. And let me tell you, once you have an operational lathe you'll wonder how you ever lived without one ;)
@craigleemehan
@craigleemehan 8 жыл бұрын
Great to see the K&T working. Since you got it, I have been excited to see it repaired and working. While I sit here on my rump, you get things done. Great job Adam.
@jeffstowasser4575
@jeffstowasser4575 6 жыл бұрын
You're a bad dude Adam! As the wise senior machinist at my work has told me... "laborers work with their hands. Craftsmen work with their minds and their hands, but an artist works with their hands, mind and heart". I am not a machinist by no means, but I can definitely relate and see you put all your pride into your work, and enjoy doing it. ESPECIALLY considering the cause.
@yanwo2359
@yanwo2359 8 жыл бұрын
It's not even my birthday and I get THREE Abom videos today. Yea!
@jerhalco
@jerhalco 8 жыл бұрын
Great vid Adam, it's cool to see a project come together. I'm a farmer/maintenance tech with a lathe, mill, shaper etc., nice to see someone come up with solutions to problems like we do everyday!Jerry
@swarfrat311
@swarfrat311 8 жыл бұрын
Adam, The K & T is doing its thing! That's some hard stuff -- all those blue chips -- those suckers are HOT! Thanks for sharing and for another great video. Hope you don't get flooded off the map over the weekend! Have a good one. Dave
@Wyllie38
@Wyllie38 8 жыл бұрын
Love see the old machines in use and being restored and well looked after. With being a CNC operator/programmer I don't get much manual machining work which is a shame I think. Keep up the gd work Mr Abomb
@aaronmeredith5453
@aaronmeredith5453 8 жыл бұрын
That was so pleasing to watch. Awesome!
@travnturner
@travnturner 8 жыл бұрын
that mill is a beast....i would never guess you could hog out so much metal that fast and be so smooth....nice
@wb8ujb
@wb8ujb 8 жыл бұрын
Really great video Adam. I appreciate all that you have taught me. You Keith and Keith and the others. I am only a hobbyist, and only dream of having some of the stuff you have. I have an old Duff vertical mill, and soon to have a Logan Powermatic 13" variable speed lathe. Keep them coming, I agree though, the "old school" stuff is still valid and should be kept alive. Thank You again!
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robert! Old school machine shops and the repairs they make will always be useful and valuable.
@davidclement2783
@davidclement2783 6 жыл бұрын
Hi - face mills with the carbide inserts like that sometimes require each tip to be set with indication. This way you wont have a high tip. So much fun to watch your shop stories brings back so many memories. :) I was able to achieve a .375 inch depth cut but a low feed ~0.004 to 0.005 chip load per carbide insert. Mild steel. Yield point of your material will definitely make a BIG difference in machining rates. Please keep the videos coming!!!!!
@sheminger
@sheminger 5 жыл бұрын
I enjoy seeing r those heavy cuts. And the stills in the slide show has taught me a thing or two about the heat generated during the cut just by what I can see. I thought it was fascinating to see the metal get to glowing heat as its sheared off and curled. I imagine on smaller lathes and cuts it still happens even if it can't be seen because it too small. But still there. Thanks for the video and pics. And education.
@Squat5000
@Squat5000 8 жыл бұрын
Use a dial indicator to see if the bore on the spindle is aligned. Both the HSS and insert mill had the same vibration. You can see things lunge as well. Me thinks something up top is out of alignment/ not centered. Beautiful machine though! Glad to see this piece of history running again. (Hell, anything older than '93 is history to me). :-D
@aryesegal1988
@aryesegal1988 8 жыл бұрын
Oh boy you're spoiling us well Adam, three videos this weekend! Thanks for taking the effort to share with us, much appreciated! :)
@ryana2652
@ryana2652 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome job Adam! In Awe! you do such great work!
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
Glad to see this video, Adam! Sorry it took me so long to get those measurements to you. Looking forward to seeing the current status as well. Best wishes, Tom Z
@staciedziedzic8706
@staciedziedzic8706 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam! Seems like a couple of the cutters that you are using are old and maybe they don’t work like they used to so you just have to adjust and you did a great job with that! Great job!
@johnfry9010
@johnfry9010 8 жыл бұрын
That machine is a Beast , nice video !
@SKOGOROJ
@SKOGOROJ 8 жыл бұрын
Good to see someone who have balls to take heavy cut
@RyanWeishalla
@RyanWeishalla 8 жыл бұрын
Good progress. I can see a vice starting to come out of it.
@azuritet3
@azuritet3 7 жыл бұрын
beautiful blue chips. they look like little fire works shooting out onto the table.
@DougHanchard
@DougHanchard 8 жыл бұрын
Adam's nick name should be Hot Rod. Fastest passes in Florida on a Mill .. Learned allot today. Thanks.
@papaike2
@papaike2 8 жыл бұрын
Adam, the K&T is sure a great addition to your shop and she runs great too.
@turnmaster1754
@turnmaster1754 8 жыл бұрын
hi Adam, i have seen 6" face mills like that take full insert cuts at crazy feed rate but its turning at like 2000 rpm, u need to triple your spindle speed. thanks for the video
@Alanbataar
@Alanbataar 8 жыл бұрын
I have a B'port clone, but lust after a big horizontal like yours. No room in the shop for it, sadly. Like the old saying about speeds & feeds goes: "Turn'm blue, then back a few." You're definitely getting nice blue chips!
@taystew
@taystew 8 жыл бұрын
that mill is a beast
@stensonlindal7929
@stensonlindal7929 8 жыл бұрын
excellent video!
@andymandyandsheba4571
@andymandyandsheba4571 8 жыл бұрын
slinging some nice big chips there adam
@o.bessonov
@o.bessonov 8 жыл бұрын
tooooo many chips, Adam, too many :) i like it
@southjerseysound7340
@southjerseysound7340 8 жыл бұрын
I know you've got a bit more experience than I do but I prefer flood coolant over the spray setups.With a hand feed where you can ease things up they do good but on a power feed I really think you'll like the results from using the flood setup.
@rockityrock
@rockityrock 8 жыл бұрын
Can't beat power feed!
@61066clocks
@61066clocks 8 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy Your videos Adam, have You ever thought about teaching a machinist class, at a trade school, or even starting one up?, Your abilities to explain and show various steps and techniques of the machining process is excellent, just a thought, You would make a great Teacher. Have a blessed day Adam
@lorenlieder9789
@lorenlieder9789 8 жыл бұрын
Hey now that is what you call making chips!!
@JRD77VET
@JRD77VET 8 жыл бұрын
Nice to see the K&T working. I sent you an email with some surface footage charts ( copy and put them in the shop ). I think the K&T would do much better bolted down. You could have roughed in the vise with the roughing endmill since you have coolant mist. That would have worked well too. Jeff
@johnnyholland8765
@johnnyholland8765 8 жыл бұрын
Were it me I would have used a one or one and one half inch roughing end mill and roughed it out then switched to the shell mill to finish up. Really need flood coolant moving that much material. I am sure the K/T can take it. I know I used to really abuse some of the Cincinnati convert a mills at Boeing co. Had to keep the head checked as it would rotate out of position in the flange mount. Also never took a heavy cut in Y axis. Just more rigid in X. As always there are many ways to do a job. The end result is always the same. A part done to the requested dim. with a good finish. Keep them videos coming....... JHolland MiddleGa
@donfinch862
@donfinch862 7 жыл бұрын
Man, I luv how you're predicting you are possibly not going to be happy with the finish milling the end with that tool - go and have a look in your collection for something better. Not a lot of people would be bothered Watching someone machine a block is usually **** boring, but your chat and explanations make it interesting. What black magic is this? haha
@Barefoot3us
@Barefoot3us 8 жыл бұрын
Adam, You know sometimes you can't beat old school and the high speed worked well. Of course that's not to say if you didn't have a new shell mill cutter it wouldn't work better. I'm wondering if cutting oil would work better with the high speed rather then the cutting fluid spray? The K&T is really working well you did a great re-build. You will be back on track once you get a new shell mill cutter for your arbor. I'm sure enjoying the videos and thanks. Best, Jeff
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
+Jeff Bernstein Thanks Jeff. Flood coolant would be best, but I havn't finished hooking it up yet. The High speed roughing mills are the way to go, I'll show in the next video.
@CompEdgeX2013
@CompEdgeX2013 8 жыл бұрын
The ole K&T is doing great. She's the right machine for that job for sure. Hearing a little squeak near the end on each pass using the HSS shell... some possible work hardening goin on?? Colin ;-)
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
+CompEdgeX That cutter is pretty dull, so it's really taking some tool pressure there, plus add to that the tough tool steel it's cutting.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 8 жыл бұрын
Hey at least you tried! What mill is that? Is it a lovejoy? if so I may have some seats for it. the nice thing about those cutter bodies is the seats are inserts as well, just loosen the other screw above the one that holds the insert and you can take the whole seat out. Sounded like it was still running out a lot though as even after it lost the one insert it sounded like there was a high one.
@johnbazaar8440
@johnbazaar8440 8 жыл бұрын
Love that heavy metal. Need some Ozzy Osborne with that. I've been looking at some 6" indexable cutters and have been turned off by the condition of many of them. I guess I need to pay attention to the available inserts too. Thanks as always. John
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
+John Bazaar The APKT style insert seems to be the most popular.
@johnbazaar8440
@johnbazaar8440 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Adam
@_Mettie_
@_Mettie_ 8 жыл бұрын
Nice Videos, gretz from Germany ;-)
@ndlsjk
@ndlsjk 8 жыл бұрын
The insert seats (the carbide backers for the cutting insert proper) are so hard to find for older face mills. I run a 3" Mitsubishi and have piles of inserts but the seats have been broken clean off. I only run it in aluminum these days where it can go 10k rpm at 150ipm and .1 DOC (could go higher but I don't like beating my machines to death).
@gibbsey9579
@gibbsey9579 8 жыл бұрын
Great job Adam, Buy or build yourself a tool and cutter grinder, you won't regret it. Ken
@ernestrhoades5147
@ernestrhoades5147 6 жыл бұрын
That new shaper would make short work of that hunk of iron
@byejason
@byejason 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Adam, i'm a hobbyist woodworker and know nought about metal work. That said, if i was doing this with a piece of wood I would have sawn the bulk of the waste out and then come in and finished it with facing tools. Is that not possible with a big chunk of metal like that? Great videos by the way, I always watch them all. You would make an awesome teacher.
@nathanielharms9931
@nathanielharms9931 5 жыл бұрын
looks like you're going to be doing a sharpening show
@theslimeylimey
@theslimeylimey 8 жыл бұрын
Adam you should keep your eye out for an AP style insert end mill around 1-1/2" to 2" . They work really well for hogging off material. The smaller diameter reduces the load on the machine so you can use a high RPM, high feed and deep cut. I'm sure you know this already but others might not. A lot of people (myself included) have made the mistake of using too big of a cutter or not positive enough geometry for a machine's rigidity so you can't use the cutter as intended. Those flat faced low shear square inserts require a lot of horsepower and a rigid machine to take a decent cut. (I realize the damaged cutter was the problem here, not the machines rigidity which looks really quite good) The 45° lead angle high shear face mills like this work really well on smaller Bridgeport style machines. www.kennametal.com/en/products/20478624/57493250/556247/46610642/46708769/46789059/100000630.html
@Opinionator52
@Opinionator52 8 жыл бұрын
That HSS shell mill was right at home taking those big cuts.......... ;o) O,,,
@Jack_Mehoff_
@Jack_Mehoff_ 8 жыл бұрын
Adam try a much higher rpm for the milling cutter, if you are using carbide inserts it should go through it like butter.
@Jack_Mehoff_
@Jack_Mehoff_ 8 жыл бұрын
At work I would run a cutter like that at between 700 to 1000 rpm no problem, I had another at work who would run it too slow and it use to make the same type of noise.
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
Yep, I'll be working on that. The speeds the charts tell me in insane, gotta work my way into the insert speed world. LOL
@Jack_Mehoff_
@Jack_Mehoff_ 8 жыл бұрын
True LOL we don't use a lot of HSS anymore in the last few places I have worked but I enjoy watching it on your channel . A couple of other things I would do is either run flood coolant or no coolant, I have not used mist coolant at all but I think it may cause thermal cracking in the insert. The other thing I would do is offset the center line of the cutter to the center line of the part, it may not make too much difference but the idea is to have the insert in the job as long as possible because inserts don't like intermittent cutting.
@gusbisbal9803
@gusbisbal9803 8 жыл бұрын
Adam, you're finishing with conventional milling. Is there a reason for that instead of using the climb milling for a better surface finish?
@rickyretic
@rickyretic 8 жыл бұрын
Speaking of Keith Fenner..........where the heck has he been ???? I miss him, going into Keith Fenner DT's.
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
+rickyretic He's had much going on this year and seems to be focused on other things. he does regularly post short videos and updates on his Facebook page. He'll be back.
@IamVince1aa
@IamVince1aa 8 жыл бұрын
+rickyretic He explains where he has been in his lastest vid
@rickyretic
@rickyretic 8 жыл бұрын
+Vincent Williams Thanks' Vincent, just noticed a new vid this morning in my e-mail.
@gbughy
@gbughy 8 жыл бұрын
Nice work Adam. Just wondering why you didn't you cut a basic profile on the band saw and them just mill it to final size?
@IamVince1aa
@IamVince1aa 8 жыл бұрын
+Bogdan Genis Thats what I was wondering also
@willywgb
@willywgb 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam Look like your Mill repair was successful. What HP is it? Do you like the Noga Coolant Mister? What are you using for coolant? Do you mix it the same as if you were using A Flood Coolant setup? Always enjoy watching your Videos. Take care. Willy
@roylucas1027
@roylucas1027 8 жыл бұрын
Great video. Looks like you have a ton of metal to remove from that vice. Could you have removed the bulk of it with a bandsaw? I'm not knowledable enough to know right from correct. Thank you.
@billdlv
@billdlv 8 жыл бұрын
Adam looks like you will get the K&T dialed in soon. I'm sure the new tooling you showed in SNS will help with heavy cuts. If this job was one you had to do at work, which machine there would you use?
@robertkutz
@robertkutz 8 жыл бұрын
adam the k&t is cool.bob
@billyc2572
@billyc2572 8 жыл бұрын
Adam, for the finishing cuts, how come you don't climb mill
@Emogregerful
@Emogregerful 8 жыл бұрын
Hey! I wonder if you ever worked with tool steel from Uddeholm? I work in large milling machine with a 130kw engine.
@imanoleonardo6902
@imanoleonardo6902 8 жыл бұрын
Adam do you know a place in Florida that can do regrinds on cutters?
@jimzivny1554
@jimzivny1554 7 жыл бұрын
Now we know what killed the old shop vac!
@Dwarfracer88
@Dwarfracer88 5 жыл бұрын
Does the roughing end mill leaving a serrated finish allow the finishing end mill to leave a better finish? (Wow, that sounds like a tongue twister.)
@MrSteveodle
@MrSteveodle 8 жыл бұрын
Great videos,many thanks. I taught h.s. machine shop and love the shop. Trying to be friendly with this advice Adam, but every 2 years pilots have to take a Bi-annual flight review with a more advanced instructor and be signed off as safe to continue to fly, (basically). I NEVER reached close to the moving spindle, or allowed our students to do that out of fear and respect, but mainly because it would pass bad habits on to the students in the shop and could alter their life forever. Again thanks for all the videos and advice over the years, I bid you peace.
@donaldpruett852
@donaldpruett852 4 жыл бұрын
I have watched many of your videos and enjoyed all of them. I don't see that you have a end mill sharpening appliance. This shop-made machinist's vice episode indicates you have a dull end mill. In my youth I had a side job at a machine shop sharpening end mills three to four days a week. My youth was in 1970-71. Is it cheaper today to just replace the dull mill cutters than spend time sharpening them?
@T3hderk87
@T3hderk87 8 жыл бұрын
Alright, two simple questions for you Adam; 1. why are the metal shavings coming off of the billet colored blue, 2. how much does that milling machine cost? I see that there is a notable deficiency in brand new hardware, the old stuff must still be good!
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
+Derek Frankovich The chips turn colors because of the heat generated as it's being sheared off. Sometimes the colorful chips can help indicate that it's an alloy metal. Machine costs are all over the place. They can go from scrap value on up. I have seen these machines like mine upwards to 12K, just depends on the condition and how well it's equipped.
@T3hderk87
@T3hderk87 8 жыл бұрын
Abom79 Thank you sir!
@licustoms5605
@licustoms5605 8 жыл бұрын
how much fog does the Noga unit put out into the shop? or did you adjust it until it's real minimum? i hate when it fogs up the garage
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
If you blast it hard it will start to fog up the shop, but I keep it regulated pretty low and it does a good job at not fogging. The Noga mini cool is a good tool.
@FrankRathmell
@FrankRathmell 8 жыл бұрын
K&T mills are definitely beasts. What is the model of yours? I've been keeping my eyes open lately for a K&T 2 HL , like the one Keith Fenner has.
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
+Frank Rathmell I have the 307 S-12. It's the later generation, hydraulic feed.
@jakemeredith9861
@jakemeredith9861 6 жыл бұрын
How much HP does the K&T mill have?
@ramosel
@ramosel 8 жыл бұрын
Is there a reason for the hand crank rocking when you are in auto-feed?
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
+ramosel Must be talking about the Y axis handle? It's just the shaft spinning inside the bore making it move.
@mikecwiklinski
@mikecwiklinski 8 жыл бұрын
Not that I know what I am talking about but I did not like the particulars the cutter was feeding at first and when switching to hss.. I think that this cut is not best suited to a Koolmist either.
@JeffreyVastine
@JeffreyVastine 8 жыл бұрын
Old school still can get the job done. It's too bad much of the old ways are being left behind as technology moves forward. What will happen when technology fails and the old timers are no longer around?
@ratman396
@ratman396 8 жыл бұрын
Adam, this may be a stupid question, but why use the K&T as a vertical mill when you have a vertical mill?
@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
+ratman396 Because if the rigidity. You can't make the same cuts on a small vertical mill.
@ratman396
@ratman396 8 жыл бұрын
so the big K&T was well worth the aggravation!
@kennedy67951
@kennedy67951 8 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you just saw all the excess metal off and then use the mill? Your pushing to hard. Just my opinion.
@vdub5818
@vdub5818 8 жыл бұрын
thats what I was wondering. saw cut all but .125 or so and go back to clean her up
@vdub5818
@vdub5818 8 жыл бұрын
thats what I was wondering. saw cut all but .125 or so and go back to clean her up
@viorel21kar
@viorel21kar 8 жыл бұрын
Very interesting project. Please email me those planes ( with dimensions) if you can
@brianankers6755
@brianankers6755 3 жыл бұрын
Dont think you should be using water on your first video facing the block to size can "chill" the tips and fracture them bad practice.Feed too slow.Cutter def needs attention hear the banging noise as inserts run out-Otherwise good work
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