Either way the fire chance is going up by 3%

True, but a going from say 11 to 14 is a greater percentage increase (27%) than going from 17 to 20 (17%). The point behind this is that even if you loved to spam HE in BBs, it would be almost pointless to get demo expert since you already have such a high chance of fire. As your base chance goes up you get a diminishing return for that 3% increase.

It also becomes more effective the faster the guns fire, on most cruisers and destroyers it is a nice option to have.

yup

For ordinary players 18 points is pretty much the max since the 19th skill point takes something like 999999999 cpt xp

from my experience, Last Stand with the -50% will make being hit in the rudder or engine less hindering. So it will feel you are inbetween LS and no LS. :)

Well, during retraining LS does not seem to work at all

That's how it works. Every skill with numbers works at half effectiveness during retraining, anything that is a single effect (Like Situational Awareness before it became default or LS as you mention) will have zero effect until retraining is complete. It made playing DD's with untrained Captains a humongous bitch at higher tiers because you'd never know when you're spotted.

chanbulgin You fire constantly in a Russian dd and your guns give you a higher detection range flare up than other dds. The tier four skills just do so much more for your ship than having ce

well, i had the fortune of being last one left with a baltimore vs 2 CVs. i was in a nagato, and i think i took under 10k dmg from both of them, while capping 2 zones. so that thing has insane AA. but really, no. US cruisers are underperforming

That assumes that the next ranked season will be tier 7 ships again.

Doosh Bagg Well, any tier it would be, it is going to be Usefull. I only hope I won't see any full strike carriers this season

Yes. You retrain when switching ships no matter if you going up or down a tier. Only exception is premium ships.

Demo

Harrison Fisher Demo is a good skill. Mahan has a pretty decent fire chance on its own, and the Demo Expert will just make it borderline ridiculous. But my question here is why you'd pick Demo. What does demo have that makes it just that little bit better?

SE increases ur durability in matches and vs other DDs while demo increases ur overall damage output so its just personal preference and how u play it

To contest caps, SE. To farm damage on BBs, DE. I ran the former.

In my Mahan I run Demo expert. I used to run AFT (off topic, sorry) but found the rainbow not worth it. Survivability Expert is something I would either not get (the extra HP isn't as worth it as you may think) or I would get it if I loved my Mahan and had a 19 point captain in it. I feel like the only time SE is useful is either on Russian DD (they already have the most HP, widening the gap makes it really hard to beat one in a US DD) or as a throwaway skill. My two cents.

Ya it works great. For example I take my Jap BB Captain and retrain him in a Yubari since I usually need to grind credits anyway when moving up a tier. So you don't even need to use the same type of premium ship to retrain...unlike WoT

Yep it does retrain (but doesn't add skill points until fully retrained). I love my Tirpitz and Scharnhorst since they can retrain both my Cruiser and upcoming BB captain without penalty and without feeling off place since I'm basically using the exact same build (BFT/AFT, SI, EM, etc...) Where they'll differ is manual secondaries for BB and probably concealment for the CA once I get there but still it won't really screw my premiums to put the cruiser captain in since the secondaries aren't that amazing on the Tirpitz and concealment isn't a bad skill... Actually it'll give me the opportunity to see how it affects BB playstyle :)

Concealment most likely

def not concealment. you don't get concealment for soviet DD because they get concealment penalty. instead of getting concealment, get demo expert after aft.

u dont get a tier 5 skill on a RU DD there is no need just get more tier 4 skills

When you're in a Khabarovsk there's no need for a 5 Point skill, you will be better off with 3x 4 Point skills. AFT is an absolute must have and you should definitely get it first, then get either DE or SE next. Comes down to personal preference though. I went for SE as Second 4 Point skill because, unlike with Cruisers and Battleships, +4000 Hit points is quite a lot. It buffs my Khabarovsk's Hit Points to ~27000 which is A LOT for a DD, especially considering Khabarovsk has 50mm of Armour. Having a 3x 4 Point skill Captain on your Khabarovsk buffs the ship to a point where it is ridiculously powerful.

its great for ships sitting in a smoke... like usn dds...

yea its useful, but it seems more smoke is better :P

+cobrazax many times i didnt use all of premium smoke+super int, so i took vigilance. suits me fine with prem. smoke

i dont use prem consumables, i need every credit. i hope they allow us to buy a lot of prem consumables so we can buy on discount and store them for later use, like the depot and store on WoT. then it might actually be cheap enough to be worth it. right now i buy upgrades on discount so when i sell the ship, its a full refund. its the most cost effective way.

i dont feel 22.5k credits is that much.

Secondaries, my friend. Secondaries. ;)

its all personal preference but the general rule is to buff stuff thats already good on the ship

The gap between a 19 point captain and a 18 point captain is huge 999999 exp I think. Most people won't get this so this is done off a 18 point captain.

Thanks :)

Yeah, demo works, AFT works too, but I think with how bad German HE is, demo can probably help

It just gives you options, the Iowa isn't a full tank of a battleship. The tanking battleship is more reserved for the German and certain IJN ships. I'm not saying it can't be done but I would rather be in a German bb or some of the IJN bbs.

What options would that be, apart from letting your team tank damage for you? Sure it can be useful in very specific situations, but Jack of all trades always is effective. I really dont see the point

Mattias True It lets you relocate if you come under heavy fire, due to its blistering speed you can get out of there and help your team by staying alive

cleveland benefits from the fast rate of fire. i have a full aa build (aa mod, bft, aft) and de. it works just fine.... i wish i had longer range tho ;)

Sorry, I should have been more specific. High tier US cruisers, tier 8 to 10. The New Orleans and Baltimore have some of the worst performance per game stats in the game now. AA isn't really worth going for since carriers are quite rare. Playing HE spam vs IJN cruisers does not usually end well too. AP can be made ineffective against any captain with a brain.

*Kaiser

Nassau. Kaiser is tier 4. Konig is tier 5. Sorry, I don't meant to be rude. *Edit: Do you mean the Konig Albert? I can't remember if that's tier 3 or 4, if you mean that then sorry.

yes the konig albert

for cruisers its the most useful skill on T2, and it makes u an impossible target unless u r going to melle. many BB salvos all miss, even when i show broadside LOL. u seem like an easy target but when they shoot u, u turn and slow down immediately and they NEVER touch u, over and over again. works against many enemies that shoot u even from different angles, invisible ships that are behind cover, and in a cruiser u can use that info to better use. information is always the most important thing, just like detection alert is useful.

because the 19th point takes 999.999xp to get. which is rather impossible.

Nolynox Oh, ok...

It is useless on saipan but there is not really good t3 skill for her.

Dogfighting Expert buffs lower tiered planes, meaning that it's almost exclusively useful _against_ a Saipan, never by her. Anyone planning on keeping their Ranger may find decent use from Dogfighting, though not if they're running strike. Wouldn't bother taking Dogfighting in a Hiryu. It's too situational compared to Torpedo Acceleration, a skill that helps in every match.

I also have one for every ship. only ships that I don't is the Donghorst and Konigsberg, I just swap one between the two.

Also if you agree or even if you just think it is a step into a right direction please make a video about it and post in this forum threath so that wargaming will consider changing the current skill tree. If there will be enough of us, who want a change, there will be a change. Really please make a separate video about this rework of captain skill tree PLEASE :) Love your vids, keep the good work

I love this idea, that actually give us more options and there are no more no brainer skills :)

too much BB-advantaged skill. IE, dispersion expert, shorter reload time, which will buff BB's ability to shotgun people furthermore. I was expecting some kind of skill for high tier ships other than BB to partially heal non-citadel damage and overpens/fires/flooding, by around 5~20% for durability. Survability expert skill: the rate of HP pool increase should be uniformative (everyone should get same percentage buff), by few percent (say 1.75% or 2%) per tier. this skill should add more HP to ship section pool, not hull; otherwise it might turn high tier battles into a zombie. also, what the first and second reply said on topic. anybody with 15-pts captain can pad stats on lowtier, and current SHITTY MM can't put 15 pts captains with other 15 pts captains, and WG will probably (if ever) never add it. apart from fact, most potato scrub userbase seems to hate longer MM time for some reason, because they think this game is a joke and potato shit CVs should be able to match up with unicum CVs, ultimately driving team into torpedo clickbait by enemy CV (see lowtier CV match). quality post, though overexaggerated use of cpt skills. captain skills are fine as is. if you are getting HE spammed in your BB, go behind an island and invis fire your fatass BB shell without being detected. you deserve to die if you sail into open water with 0 plan on how to mitigate/hide from incoming fire. (protip: STOP FIRING FOR 20 SECONDS FOR INVISIBILITY). thanks for reading a long post, if anybody read my feedback.

+Kopa Hitlerious IGN name: KopaZ, NA server. you're welcome to throw me feedbacks if you wish to. great game in atago btw, chase.

I disagree with your arguments @Kopa Hitlerious! He moved strong BB skills like Basics of survivability to 2 or even 3 row, therefore BBs will have to decide whether to take Basics of survivability, Dispersion expert or Dispersion camuflage. Also Dispersion expert and shorter reload time can benefit CAs too. If there is such a problem that CAs are underpowerd, you can also make so that shorter reload is -10% for CAs and only -5% for BBs. He also did not gave clear stats about each specific skill, but rather he gave a wide window of options and said that stats should be determined by further testing! You are afraid of sealclubers having 15 point captain? But they are doing it right now! Also the current version of skill tree is stupid, because you have a lot of no brainer skills, that you are forced to take in order to be competative! He wants to make a skill tree where you can spec your captain by your own preferences and where there are different options and choises!

Like a chief engineer and those guys?

You know why that would never happen, right?

No, why would that never happen?

Because kids these days don't like depth in their games, and if it takes longer than 30 seconds to set up your skills these ADD raddled kids will to go to the next game? Seriously, even WoT's crew mechanics were better.

J_Eilonwy Because many ships have 800+ crew and giving every crew member a skill tree or face/name and WG is never going to integrate a crew member that has no use or no particular skills. Besides ships with smaller crew would have an advantage. I could go on and on but your comments is toally not thought through and basically immensely moronic.