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Thanks Scott, never a boring moment in this line of work 😅

I agree but then there are some mechanics who deal with diagnostics as a profession and feel the need to learn which will help them much down the road. That's the difference between good tech's and ones who are better off replacing batteries, alternators etc. There's just no end to these overly engineered computer run cars...its almost insane what they bypass in common sense just to put a lot of things to be managed/controlled by computer modules. Half the problems are in poor quality components that cannot pass a self destruction test in just 3 years or can't deal with the weather elements or simply fail due to poor solder joints. The modules shouldn't fail, period. then we have a long discussion as the the quality of the wiring terminators/connection. Most of these problems are in quality of manufacturing or poor assembly and design/installation of components. It's a complete expense to the public to have to pay to chase down the imperfections in todays cars. By that I mean, there is no room for tollerance, if its not perfect, it won't operate correctly and the more one thing has to do with other tings, the more difficult it is to diagnose.

@@Garth2011 Can you believe that anyone in the future will be able to relive one of these electronic gems like people who restore our older make of cars! don't think so! and we call this progress !

@@garyalford9394 I think its all about control however, many just do not get that could be the plan. The more we hang around, the less freedom there is as our recent history has proven. If you are a slouch dealership who doesn't maintain highly qualified mechanics, vehicle owners are forced to go there for one thing or another.

Interesting thought. Sounds possible 🤔

I was thinking the same I work in the fire alarm industry and have found may times just re down loading its software corrects the issue.

Just like reinstalling a clean install of Windows 7.

@@Garth2011 ...windows 7 ...lol

I write firmware, and I was thinking along similar lines 👍

And independent shops too.

Interesting! Great to know! 👍🙂

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I just posted my issue on the 2019 MDX and yes thats where you went wrong. My issue seems to be a bad can bus circuit preventing communication with the TPMS unit.

@@DIYeverything513 how long do you have to hold down the button? 🤔

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics you have to hold it down for a few seconds but only when you go through the corresponding menu in the scanner. One touch start button menu. It says to hold the button for x amount of time. Mine would beep but then the screen shuts down which leave me to believe it tries to run on ignition but I have another issue somewhere. I once thought the tpms unit need to be brand new but I can be wrong.

Question is, what or why did the firmware get corrupted if thats a fair description for it?

@@Garth2011 Sounds crazy, but cosmic particles can do that. Also nearby lightning hit or some orher source of strong elecromagnetic pulse.

Agreed, and I absolutely hate this type of "no problem" problem!

Ever experience “bitrot”?

It's enough to help someone to start his car with cables for to have some strange problems occuring, but this one was a hard one.

I would agree with this poster... When you went through the relearning of the original BCM when the code was written over you probably corrected the code errors... It only takes one BIT being either being (on/off) to redirect the software to do strange things... Good to hear you both WON on this one...

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Hi I see that you’re a Honda tech, I have a 2022 Honda civic. When I turn off the car the left/driver side headlight stays on and the ignition is on as well(all lights on dashboard) while the engine is off. I’m unable to lock the car due to this and it drains the battery. The low beam also doesn’t work in the headlight that stays on, only the led strip and the high beam. Can you offer any insight?

Scientific method hasn't failed me yet haha

Same here in my area. Skip over the dealer

Imagine that, a specialty business that deals with computer module programming just like meachanics who specialize in diagnosing vehicles. No longer are the days of an all around mechanic or shop. Cars today need a speciasist in transmissions, engines, electrical, security etc. What a complete disaster.

@Hack, yea I think there are several good lessons on this one. First, it's electrical and there is software/hardware so sometimes there are electrical issues like with wiring/voltage etc,. sometimes it's also software related where there could be something "corrupted" and there can also be something mechanical such as components/pins etc., needing to be cleaned/disconnected/reseated just as Ivan mentioned at the end. I also recall a strange oddity occurring one time with one of my old cars and it's key fob. Somehow, being in/near another car and transmitter, a totally different one mind you, my key fob would no longer interact with my car. Nothing got wet, no battery issues etc. I unlocked the car with the key and thankfully it uses an actual key with a resistor to start the car... But I had to go through the rather painless procedure of re-registering my key fobs and the only difference had been the fact that I was driving this other car and had the key fobs, using them together. Never had anything like that happened before so I intentionally put them together again, pressed the buttons etc., and again my fobs stopped interacting with the car.

Great comment Edwin. Yup a hard reset works magic sometimes. Dumb computers lol!

That’s a good idea. That red vintage behind Ivan at the end would be a good one..

I swear down an older model electrical gremlins issue free ride is a must to have as a back up vehicle.

@@018139548 I’m getting closer to completing my 69 beetle restoration , so that will be my backup to my backup when it’s done .

lol yep the manufacturers are money grabbing shitbags.

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My pleasure 👍

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Hey Ivan, I had trouble with copying keys on an Acura in the past, it simply would not let me program more than one key at a time. If I told it to "Make 2 keys" -- it would fail every time. But If I just did it 1 key at a time, it would work great. So try that next time-- only add ONE key and see if it works. You can always go back through it again and copy the second and third keys.

It's not really loss. You just have to think of it as school time. But by the end, you come out the other side knowing how to do it well and if you do 2 or 3 of the same cars after that, you'll blaze right through them fast.

@@calholli agree. What a dealership tech would spend to learn in a month or a year Ivan had to/learned in 3 hours. Fast learner I’d say 👍🏼

you get easy jobs, hard jobs, and somewhere in between. it all balances out in the end. winning that customer for life is the real prize.. going to bed every night knowing you will never be broke because there is a steady stream of income is priceless and you did fair, honest work .

with all of the software, firmware, ect, getting to be proprietary we will see this more and more.. just think what electric vehicles will be like. they are already going to electric steering, braking systems.. nightmares !! multiple processors to run everything. the automatic updates the manufacturers put thru to cars via sattelite, will cause many problems, and that could be what happened to this car.. you think Honda will admit to it? think they will contact customers and say hey, we did some updates to your BCM module, and found out it was corrupted, or incompatible after we did it, so come in, we will reflash your BCM to its original state and your car will start and run again.. NOT HAPPENING!!!!! Alot of the computer systems and programming is done in China, Taiwan ect. do u think they give a rats ass if your car works or not? The stealerships dont even know how the systems work on an intimate level, they just replace parts from a troubleshooting flowchart and hope for the best.. if they cant fix them, they auction them off. I use a still a Garmin Gps independent unit stuck to my windshield and will never own a car with the bullshit infotainment or key in the car sensing system.. if your too lazy to pull a key out of your pocket and stick it in a hole and turn it, you shouldnt be driving. my 2017 caravan has the remote door lock, but if it fails theres a key inside the fob that will let me open and start the van.

I will try this on the next one 😁

Wowww 1700 dollars for a crappy module?? That's criminal!

As an ET for 35 years, I have seen EEPROMS that will flip bits and cause many different problems. By reprogramming it, you have fixed it for now, but it will happen again. The EEPROM is bad and the only way to fix it for good is replace it.

EEPROM stands for Electrical Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory; a chip that is able to store code or program that's kept when the board is powered off. During initializing (start-up or wake-up) it's probably compared with the stored year 2018 of the car's production date in the ECM. Although the original module seems to have a production date of 17/09/2015, the EEPROM inside will have the year 2018 programmed into it before installation in the car. It would not surprise me if the EEPROM error indicates that the ECM will only accept a replacement module that's programmed (not produced!) less than a year earlier. Honda's way of keeping the dealers happy? Date of module production on the label does NOT mean that the program inside is from that same year. They can produce X amount of the same modules with empty EEPROM's and program them when needed; depending on brand, model, year and other specs. Keep that in mind when buying on eBay...

Welcome to the channel! 🙂👍

The Honda motorbike is ok thankfully there quad's at least are still very good at least the 250 is anyway I'm new to these kinds of vehicles so I don't know much about them let's hope Honda won't destroy there small engine stuff.

@@neilmurphy845 I really cannot kick on the Honda vehicle’s, my wife’s has 80k and never had one issue. And also She was QC for a local company that makes a lot of parts for Honda, and they have the most strict specs. In the industry.

@@brianw8963 The older Hondas were generally more reliable and easier to repair up to around 2004.

@@psdaengr911 My main concern is the CVT transmission. Not a fan of those.

Ahhh that was a Honda HRV, already sold, that was fast.

When in doubt, reboot. (from experience in the Tech field)

I once had two identical units with identical controllers - both of which were intermittently unhappy. I was able to permanently fix both by simply swapping controllers between the two units.

@@robarnt6 love it 👌

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He put the original BCM back in and repogragramed all system to talk to each other. The van would crank to start with it may still have the same issue as before time will tell as it was intermediate to begin with.

We need to go back to simpler times! to many touchy electronics, and parts you wont be able to get when the vehicles are older. Yeah I know, E.V's are now here! lol !!

Yep, sticking with older cars is the way to go. The future for these new fangled fractionalized electronic gizmo cars is bleak indeed.