What if I am a bean

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Dude you should get your own character portrait that shows up while your talking you would be more fire emblem ish.

Ghast Having defended story Xander to an extent, let me also play Devil's Advocate against support Xander in this video's comments... What, exactly is the depth of Xander? That he cares for country AND family? The complaint people make when they attack Xander as a cardboard cutout of "Fer muh HONOUR!" knightly stereotypes is... pretty much exactly that. Fire Emblem leans pretty heavily upon archetypes even in the best of times, partly justifiably because, outside of supports, there's little time or room to flesh out the dozens of characters in a single game in the main story, and since characters can die, they basically have to be introduced and removed from all plot relevance within a single chapter. (Which is why the whole idea of permadeath directly conflicts with the type of JRPG melodramatic storytelling that Fire Emblem obviously increasingly is focused upon... but that's another argument.) Xander and Ryoma, meanwhile, are basically the textbook definition of their particular archetypes, which is why it can frequently seem like they're practically the same person simply put in different contexts. Ryoma is THE Samurai, as in the myth that was created in the Edo period after Samurai stopped really being warriors. You know, the one about unceasing loyalty to liege and duty and honor and such. (Actual samurai were more mercenaries, and landless ones could only get paid while actually AT war, and were barred from any job, so they were actually a bloodthirsty bunch of brigands often pushing their lords into war at the threat of mutiny because they'd either pillage the lands of the neighboring lords or pillage their own lord's land because they gotta get paid. Even in war, they were more likely to headhunt enemy nobles with bounties on their heads then flee battle after getting a head than meaningfully contribute because getting paid was their only priority, not honor.) Ryoma is the family patriarch who has to walk the fine line between "Ninjo to Giri" (Duty to liege and family). Xander, meanwhile, is just the western fantasy version with everything about "samurai" and "Japanese culture" crossed out and replaced with "knight" and "European culture, as Japan pop culture sees it" (with the Knight in Shining Armor being as much a myth as the Honorable Samurai was)... plus, you know, the whole being more compromised by his position and the bad writing he receives that forces him to hold the idiot ball an awful lot. Put directly, both Xander and Ryoma are the perfect platonic Jungian archetypes of male virtue in their own respective cultures, (at least as far as Japan understands it, because Xander still comes off a bit more of the embodiment of Japanese virtues than European ones, just sporting curly blonde hair while doing it...). Where is the depth in saying that, "oh, he looks like he selflessly serves only his liege who is his family, but he actually selflessly cares for his family, as well!"? Camilla's supports merely reveal that he's perfect in his Ninjo AND his Giri... which is what a perfect samurai eternally strives to do. Corrin's supports about devoting himself to training just mean he's sublimating his own emotions to fulfill his duties to his liege... just as a perfect samurai does. Xander is a stock-standard Jungian archetype of male virtues, where male virtue is defined as having "cool" emotions. That is, men are expected in traditional storytelling to be virtuous when they suppress all their own personal emotion in pursuit of whatever duty or other specific virtue they are supposed to embody, such as 'honor' or 'courage' or whatever. By contrast, villainous males have "hot" emotions, acting wildly and with naked emotion pursuing their own self-satisfaction, such as Hans or Iago. By contrast, the feminine archetype of virtue, the Good Mother, is defined by "warm" emotions. They use their emotions selflessly to nurture. The feminine archetype of sin, meanwhile, has "cold" emotions, suppressing their emotions to pursue their objectives. And yes, that's the most flagrant double standard one can produce. Male virtues are sins when in a woman, and feminine virtues become sins when a man expresses them. That's why Iago looks so feminine to show he's evil right off the bat, because it's classically trained into audiences that feminine-looking men are obviously evil even when he hasn't really done anything, while Hans has to actually ACT evil to show his true colors. This is also why Leo and Takumi are considered flawed princes in-universe... because they are human and show emotions that are sometimes even "hot", and therefore not as perfect and robotic as their elder brothers. I say this because Camilla and Hinoka make good contrasts by not just being their default archetypes. Camilla is the Good Mother archetype with all her virtues cranked up to such ludicrous extremes that they actually become a subversion of the archetype. She's nurturing to the point of smothering. She's selfless and protective of her family to the point of flying into an insane berserker rage at the hint of disrespect to any of her family. She is focused upon her family to such a myopic degree that she literally does not care about what happens to anyone or anything outside her immediate family and pseudo-family of retainers. And you can see how heavily Fire Emblem leans on these traditional roles when Xander talks to Camilla. Camilla encourages Xander to be more "warm" and nurturing (I.E. fulfill some of the traditionally feminine virtues) the way that he clearly has a willingness to do, and he refuses because he says it's not his place to do so solely and explicitly because he is a male, and he therefore HAS to be a stern, emotionless patriarch that never shows warmth to his own family, whereas it is Camilla's role to be warm and nurturing solely and explicitly because she is female. Hinoka takes the Japanese Yamato Nadeshiko twist upon the good mother. (The Yamato Nadeshiko combines a more militant ethos of the samurai in with the Good Mother's nurturing side to ask of them a similar denial of self and militancy that they ask of samurai, even if to a lesser degree, along with their nurturing side. Basically, it's ironically just a "more masculine" feminine ideal.) Hinoka, however, has basically thrown all her traditional femininity to the wind in pursuit of those more militant, duty to family first side of the Yamato Nadeshiko, becoming a "tomboy" "warrior princess". Militant, physical protection of her family from all direct threats has overtaken her more traditional service to family through emotional support and protection from emotional threats. This is what makes Hinoka's support with Camilla so interesting. The Hinoka who gave up nearly all her traditional nurturing femininity in pursuit of one extreme in actually militantly protective femininity actually stops and feels what she has given up for the first time when she sees how Camilla and Corrin behave together, and she feels a sense of jealousy over how hyper-feminine Camilla can be, resulting in Hinoka trying to learn to sew to try to regain some of that... for lack of a better word, balance in the feminine ideal. It's still playing firmly, solidly in the bounds of what are feminine virtues, but it's actually saying something about how those virtues are a complex balancing act that are nearly impossible to pull off, even among characters absolutely defined by them to the exclusion of all else. Of the four eldest royals, Hinoka is really the only one whose personality actually tries to say anything or seriously deviate from the norm, and the only other one who is close is Camilla. Xander and Ryoma really are just stock characters from Central Casting with all the default responses to every question left intact.

Oh, and one more thing... Xander had to die at the end of Birthright for the same reason as Ryoma having to die at the end of Conquest: It would be too dishonorable for them to live. Keep in mind, these guys are basically the fetishized ideals of Samurai honor (even without Xander even being a Samurai), so it's absolutely demanded that they die in battle before their liege comes to harm or else commit seppukku to atone if they failed to die before that point. Living after having been in charge of a losing army would be a shame greater than they would be expected to bear. Again, pure Japanese values system at play. The reason why they throw Elise onto the bonfire with him is that by that point, Xander has been played as a plot prop for why they can't do the sane thing and not kill each other so many times he is probably completely unsympathetic to the player who has only played Birthright, so his death would likely not have any real impact. Hence, they have to trot out the character *EXPLICITLY* designed to be the single most concentrated bundle of sympathetic traits in the game outside of maybe her Hoshidan counterpart imouto character, and butcher her in the most protracted and melodramatic way possible to milk at least some FEELS out of the scene, even if you personally hate Xander... and the fact that Xander has to apparently both be directly responsible for that AND still spit on her final, most selfless and sympathetic wish just further cements his hatedom is mere collateral damage to the authors of Fire Emblem's writing because FEELS achieved!

Awakening's problem is mostly pacing. With a better pacing, the story could be far better. Fates story is simply bad.

@@deathzexion Also the Valm arch was pretty pointless

@@androxity8615 Yeah, that's true.

FalseZ

Yeah, at least the writing was mostly consistent in Awakening lol

Joel Sasmad I've always thought that Justice is an ilussion was an Assassins Creed reference.

....welp next i be hearing suicide and depression is from vampire story.... YES THIS IS SARCASM

Funny bc in my game... he does :) That's what happens if you befriend Kaze

I really wouldn't say Leo should give that speech, because it would honestly make no sense since Leo not in a position where he could think of a speech like this. Leo's not the type of character that prides himself on justice and honor after all.

I was thinking Leo, because Leo seemed like a character with a more grounded view on reality. He seemed like he understood that life has no true heroes or villains better than everyone else. Then again, since fates' writing sucks, he probably says something to contradict his character. Besides, the character that gives the speech should not pride himself on justice and honor, because the speech explains how there is no true justice, just morally gray decision-making. Thus, Leo seems like the most realistic and practical character to do it.

Vijay C. There truth to that, but to me I've always thought that both Xander and Leo realist. Even though Xander prides himself on justice and honor, he's still aware of the reality around him just like his brother. Difference is that Xander will become the king, so he has the ability to change the way things are in Nohr. The only why most people wouldn't notice this because of the writing that's put into the story.

Vijay C. Not really, Xander's speech is pretty bad even in philosophical viewpoint. You can't say justice is an illusion and then add things "what you know is right" and "evil men" in your speech. The whole thing about the grand ethical question of "what is justice?" isnt something you can easily say "it's an illusion" without first giving a definition to the word "justice". It's a bad speech that only exists to push the notion that Fates is a "Grey and gray morals" story when it's clearly black and white with its heroes and villains.

What he means by the word "justice" is the perfect victory where the bad guys are all killed and the good guys all saved. He's saying that no matter what you try to accomplish, innocent people will end up dying but you can't let that discourage you from fighting for a greater cause. Xander isn't a nihilist, he has values of honor and justice, he just accepts that in real life, good people will suffer despite your best intentions.

The strange thing is, the German version of the game's cover hinted at a rebellion. It stated that there is a conspiracy you would fight from within.

He actually does in the Crown of Nibelung manga

@@jedyzichterman358 Oh Cool.

"Throw the Xander out of the airlock, Commander. There is still time!"

Silence will be your answer.

There would also OF been a perfect opportunity to learn the difference between "could of" and "could have", because this is such a frequent error. "Could of" doesn't mean the same thing even if it's pronounced similarly.

"Could of" honestly sounds like an accent thing. Sort of like it's coming out as "could 'ave."

TheBreakingBenny there would've also been*

Tale of two noodles

So, did you get your wish with Fodlan?

I mean at least everyone makes sense in why they fight in three houses

​@@TrueBladeSoulThree Houses had its own questions, but at least it felt like it was trying

Also, Crown Prince Master Ninja Elise is best Xander. Do not try to argue this.

(Lol didn't read it)

Replying to a 3 year old comment is pointless, but whatever. I do think that your idea absolutely could work, but I'd like my own proposition that I think could probably make both stories way more interesting and gray-er. Have Ryoma be the main character of Birthright, and have Xander be the main character of Conquest. Relegate Corrin to the cast of side characters. I feel like making this change allows for a lot more potential in the writing than restricting themselves by making Corrin the focus. You can still have Corrin in both, heck you could even still do the sibling thing with them, but make them a side character of similar importance to Conrad, Hubert, Lucina, Caeda, or even Frederick. If Fanservice Emblem Warriors taught me anything, it's that Corrin makes for a really good side character. This, I feel, offers better ideas than the heavily restricted way they went about the game by having us only see through Corrin's eyes.

@@simeonrice6047 replying to a 3 year old comment is always a gamble as to whether they reply. As for your idea, it could work, and it could definitely be viable. My main issue is that by doing so, it kinda goes against the core concept of the game, that being choosing between families and the consequences that follow. while it could work, it's hard not to make it look like you're just picking a story, as opposed to making a conscious, ingame decision. Adding Gray to the story would be easier if Nohr wasn't written as a blatantly evil kingdom and Hoshido as a pure and innocent kingdom. Having said that, your idea can work, and in a way has been done in three houses. Byleth is the avatar and the common thread, but each route is effectively the Main Lord's story. Applying that here could work similarly, Corrin makes the choice and we still follow them, but Xander and Ryoma (maybe Azura for revs) are the main character of that route. Tho one issue there is that these are meant to be the big brothers, the strongest of the lot. They can't be that if they're main lords, they need room to grow. Hope I don't come off as bashing your idea, as I said it could work depending on how the story is written. Either way, to make everything work properly, the story of fates needs a little more attention

OwO 'Why Anna is the only waifu option' video or 'Anna's "family" ' conspiracy.

He could also make a video about the “quality” of FE13/14’s avatar-only supports

ZerkMonsterHunter 4 oh don't worry he will greatly!

I think he does, plus there is a memory scene about him (without spoiling)

Don't worry, Berkut is pretty good.

ZerkMonsterHunter 4 Don't worry, he does. Kinda in a crazy way but yeah.

CANT WAIT Berkut is coming bois.....

...Henry doesn't give rat's ass about ending the war quickly. He doesn't care about his own people, he says as much in support in Ricken and the ONLY reason why he warns Panne about the assassination plot was only since he figured it would "waste a perfectly fun war." Did you even play Awakening?

Henry does care for those who he has formed an emotional bond with (hence why all his paired endings say that he was a surprisingly good father), but yeah, he does not care about enidng the war quickly, he enjoys the bloodshed it causes

By his people I clearly meant Plebians.

I really hope you are talking about Peri, at least Henry has a soul

Illusion of Quality that's why he says prolong. Did you even read his comment?

Imagine this....hoshido cant use dragon vein anymore and its a big deal according to the game terraforming especially in strategy in make conquest a walk in the park for garon

I kinda disagree... Sure, they would become martyrs, but the Hoshidans would lose all their remaining royals and commanding officers, that is a HUGE blow and I doubt their army and their nation would have recovered from it

+Lord Tullus 9 [Puffy Sprinkles] Eliwood?? I think you mean Eligood! Yeah, now I'm hyped.

Samus The Goddess *Eliweed

Samus The Goddess El Wood

Can't wait for Eliwood! He's pretty underrated

Eliwood is next.

But Ryoma is the same whether it's Support vs Story (because Hoshido is always on the "good" side). So that seems rather fruitless

To me, Ryoma is pretty consistent as someone tightly tied to the bushido code.

WritersBlah hmm interesting thoughts tbh. a nice food for thought.

First off is the fact that due to the game's *inconsistent ludonarrative dissonance* I don’t know what this means but ow my head. *we don't know for sure whether the Nohrian soldiers under Zola's command were outright killed by Corrin and her army or not* It’s heavily implied they were killed as well. Leo needs to kill Zola so he could not report back to king Garon about their act of treason. Zola had Nohrian soldiers under him, you don’t think any survivors would have gone back to Krakenburg? *but had Zola captured Xander's siblings instead, incapacitating Nohrian fighters would not be something that Xander would hesitate to do* Of Course, Zola would have committed an act of treason. Xander and co. have full grounds to kill Zola and anyone else affiliated with that plan. I don’t see how this is relevant. *Xander is fully aware that Corrin doesn't want to bring harm to the Hoshidan royals, and I suspect that the "honor" shtick was a cover-up to silently affirm Corrin's plan of letting them live peacefully once the war ended. Yes, he should've had the foresight to know that being ruled by Garon would make that basically impossible, but at this point in the story, Xander still believes his father to not be wholly evil* Really? Xander literally witnessed Garon laugh maniacally wanting to make Corrin suffer. Xander knows about the Chevois massacre. Any rational thinker in Xander’s situation would suspect something is absolutely wrong with a man who apparently would never do such things. But I guess that’s story Xander for you, being written to fit whatever scene that calls for him. *And even if Zola's army is Nohrian, Zola is operating outside the army, basically acting as a vigilante. These are Nohrians that have forsaken their government to follow another leader with cowardly tactics (not much better than Garon from a moral perspective, but yeah), arguably making them traitors to the nation* I completely disagree. Zola’s army is Nohrian, yes. But Zola is not operating outside the army in any way that would be condemnable as treason. Zola is acting solely in the best interest of Nohr, which is to conquer Hoshido. I don’t buy that they have forsaken their government if that’s the goal. While Zola may not be following Garon’s footsteps like Hans or Iago, Garon’s orders would never be more complex than “kill Hoshidans and anyone else in the way”. Xander never states that Zola was acting treasonous, just dishonorable. Leo just says he’s shameful. Zola’s Battle Quote is “Why are you fighting this?! I am not you're enemy, those Hoshidans are! I act only for the glory of Nohr! Why is this happening? WHY?!” This doesn’t sound like the words of someone acting vigilante. He’s undeniably serving the state and certainly not abandoning it. There is no vigilantism or treasonous behavior going on with Zola; he’s serving Garon just fine. Zola never disobeyed the crown prince either because he was never even ordered to stop. The royals are the ones literally killing Zola to cover their tracks so he could not report back to Garon. They, for all intents and purposes, killed their own and committed treason. About your last two paragraphs, I honestly don’t know what to tell you. Personally I don't think Xander's acts to make Corrin feel better mean that he doesn't believe in his honor agenda. But that is another way of interpreting Xander’s behavior, thanks for sharing. *Edited to fix formatting*

*It’s heavily implied they were killed as well. Leo needs to kill Zola so he could not report back to king Garon about their act of treason. Zola had Nohrian soldiers under him, you don’t think any survivors would have gone back to Krakenburg?* That's a good counterargument. The fact that Leo is the one to kill Zola gives credence to your theory that the men operating under Zola would have to be eliminated as well. Alternatively, Izumo as a government is a country independent from Hoshido and Nohr, so considering the fact that all the soldiers had presumably been defeated, it's quite possible they could've been incarcerated for breaking Izumo's neutrality laws. Wounded soldiers likely wouldn't be able to move much on their own, after all. Also, the fact that the real Izana doesn't chastise the royals for killing people in his country supports that they were incarcerated, not killed or escaped back to Krakenburg. This is another potential case of ludonarrative dissonance (which fyi, means when the gameplay and story of a game don't coincide with each other. Think being overleveled for a major boss and winning easily, yet the cutscene following acts like your party's exhausted) as Zola's army will always aggro you, even if you tried to stealthily free the royals without fighting instead. Now, if we assume your theory is correct, then I suppose Xander and the Nohrian royals are guilty of treason for killing fellow Nohrians. But then again, the army has already committed various acts of treason in simply trying to help Corrin in the first place. Garon's orders were to have Corrin suppress the Ice Tribe on her own, and yet Jakob/Felicia, Elise, her retainers, Silas, Niles, and Odin all banked on helping her out anyway. Engaging in battle with fellow countrymen is obviously something that would give the army more pause, but their attempts to keep their treasonous acts under wraps so far have all been successful. That's why I presented my alternative above; the fact that we are given no information to the fates of the Nohrian soldiers who sided with Zola is ultimately the game's own fault for not providing something you'd think would be important to mention. I guess interpretation from that point onwards lies in how much you trust or doubt Corrin and Xander's competency. *Of Course, Zola would have committed an act of treason. Xander and co. have full grounds to kill Zola and anyone else affiliated with that plan. I don’t see how this is relevant.* This is incredibly relevant, as it speaks volumes about Xander's character. Xander doesn't like the Hoshidan royals. He just finished having an argument with Ryoma before the Hoshidans were captured. But Xander also knows how much they mean to Corrin. Even if she hasn't said as much, her actions have been very blatantly trying to protect the Hoshidan royals. The only reason why she'd act this way is because she cares for them and still sees them as siblings. This exhibits the fact that XANDER IS EMPATHETIC. He very easily could've told Corrin to shut up, and that letting Zola kill the Hoshidans now would just save their army a lot of trouble. Lord knows he doesn't care for them personally. But he also realizes that Corrin cares deeply for their livelihood, and realizes that to Corrin, letting the Hoshidan royals die would be just as bad as Xander standing by to let his own siblings die. He's helping Corrin fight not because he wants to save the royals, but because Corrin wants to. *Really? Xander literally witnessed Garon laugh maniacally wanting to make Corrin suffer. Xander knows about the Chevois massacre. Any rational thinker in Xander’s situation would suspect something is absolutely wrong with a man who apparently would never do such things. But I guess that’s story Xander for you, being written to fit whatever scene that calls for him.* It's weird to me that you specifically bring up "something is absolutely wrong with a man who apparently would never do such things" as though it's supporting your argument, when I think it actively deconstructs it. You have your answer right there. We, as the audience, don't see what the life of the Nohrian siblings was like prior to the events of the game. Only by listening in on the Nohrian royals' support conversations do we hear about the kind of person Garon was like in their childhoods, but apparently, he was a pretty decent guy. Strong and strict, yes, but warm enough to the point where Xander genuinely loved him. Then, all of a sudden, you see your dad acting really weird and darker than usual. Of course alarm bells are going off in your head that something is clearly not right. But that would make you worried about your dad, not outright distrustful. Xander is still holding onto the hope that there's some kind of reasoning behind Garon's actions that''s ultimately for the good of Nohr and its people, because he wants to trust his dad. He wants to be able to see his father as he once did, to the point where it's now clouding his judgment on the events folding around him. That's not ignorance, stupidity, or delusion; that's hope. Misguided, faulty hope, but hope nonetheless. *I completely disagree. Zola’s army is Nohrian, yes. But Zola is not operating outside the army in any way that would be condemnable as treason. Zola is acting solely in the best interest of Nohr, which is to conquer Hoshido. I don’t buy that they have forsaken their government if that’s the goal. While Zola may not be following Garon’s footsteps like Hans or Iago, Garon’s orders would never be more complex than “kill Hoshidans and anyone else in the way”. Xander never states that Zola was acting treasonous, just dishonorable. Leo just says he’s shameful.* Well first off, I already mentioned Izumo being a neutral party where fighting between nations is prohibited, but let's gleam past that. Zola and Xander have history with each other ("It's been a long time, Lord Xander.") which seems somewhat distrustful, as Xander immediately recognizes Zola and isn't too pleased to see him. No other information is given, which leaves us to question who Zola is exactly. For all we know, he could have just as high a ranking as Iago, or be an underground vigilante who's committing acts of war in hopes of getting chummy with Garon. Again, bad writing over here. In addition... *Zola’s Battle Quote is “Why are you fighting this?! I am not you're enemy, those Hoshidans are! I act only for the glory of Nohr! Why is this happening? WHY?!” This doesn’t sound like the words of someone acting vigilante. He’s undeniably serving the state and certainly not abandoning it. There is no vigilantism or treasonous behavior going on with Zola; he’s serving Garon just fine. Zola never disobeyed the crown prince either because he was never even ordered to stop. The royals are the ones literally killing Zola to cover their tracks so he could not report back to Garon. They, for all intents and purposes, killed their own and committed treason.* Are you certain those desperate pleas for affirmation aren't the words of a vigilante? Imagine if Batman was a cowardly douchebag with a penchant for being a kiss-ass. "Why are you fighting this?! I am not your enemy, the Joker is! I act only for the glory of Gotham! Why is this happening? WHY?!" That, to me, sounds like the desperate grovels of someone who knows what they're doing isn't lining up with what they're legally supposed to do, and are demanding affirmation because "it's what you royals would do anyway!" You're right that even if he was found out, he likely wouldn't be punished by Garon, and might even be awarded for it. But at that moment, he wasn't facing Garon, he was facing Corrin and Xander, who as loyal as they are to Nohr, aren't Garon. Moreover, Xander was willing to concede to Izumo's policies on fighting, to the point where he even (regrettably) sat down for dinner with the Hoshidans afterwards. I honestly feel like you're conflating what should be a confused young man who simultaneously wants to serve his country and his sibling with an ignorant one who is actively betraying Nohr with his lack of logic. I definitely concede that all of the characters are written infinitely better in their support conversations than they are in the main story, to the point where some questionable writing decisions hamper what could've been a fascinating story with very gray morality. I just don't think this specific example is one of them. I don't mean to invalidate any of what you said, as a lot of gaps in the story does demand interpretation that should never have happened in the first place, but you know, that's Fates for you. (P.S., I'm sorry if I've come across as douchey in this post. I don't comment on your other support science videos because I genuinely find them fascinating and tend to agree with your conclusions, but don't really have anything to add to the conversation. It was just specific video that I found some problems with. No hard feelings, I hope.)

WritersBlah Bro, you gotta understand that there is little to no complexity to this story or writing. Your whole argument is based on the possibility that this story is more complex than it is. This isn't a novel, it's a game that really wants you to have fun and buy two more routes.

Luiszerep Okay first off, that's a really dangerous way of thinking. To say that a story is JUST meant to provide context for the gameplay routes makes any potential analysis (like this very Support Science series) devalued. Secondly, just because everyone SAYS this game's story has zero complexity to it doesn't make it true. I agree that there are issues with character writing, missing information, and undeserved player gut punches that make the overall product worth less than it could have been. Nevertheless, I believe that a degree of complexity does in fact exist within the game's narrative. I just pointed out a potential one in my previous comment. And don't come to me with, "I'm sure that wasn't what the writers intended when they wrote that." Death of the author is a popular mode of thought within literature circles for a reason. Individual analysis of a story is important for making sure that public opinion of a work doesn't stagnate, and I feel is especially important on the Internet, where falling into a comfortable position of groupthink is really easy. The popular opinion of Fates' story right now is that it's terrible, a good lot of which is chalked up to "muh Treehouse translation," but I digress. I'm not sure if that's meant in general or in comparison to other Fire Emblem stories. My goal isn't to prove that Fates has a great story (I don't think it does), but that it's not as terrible as most people claim.

Link?

I have it in my sights!

finally. our lord and savior Shawn conory

I think one of the official artists drew that picture of Laslow and Xander.

Change Doll Time stamp? (I listen to these)

Change Doll 4 minutes in :)

A.L Joseph 4:00

Thank you!

agreed i quite frankly see it as a reasonable and support xander would probably do the exact same i think after support xander is just xander who is with people he trusts or corrin trusts.

stefanfr13 They better keep it uncensored.

Oldschoolgamer this also I hope Nintendo never let's tree house touch another fire emblem game or any other game that isn't Mario or Kirby ever again

You know I feel IS actually is pretty attentive to feedback and try to make improvements where they are needed, so they must be aware of the general consensus regarding Fates story. We'll see if they can improve this area. I've been playing Japanese Echoes and have liked how they managed the story so far, although that's not an entirely original plot since it's based on Gaiden of course. Fingers crossed for the story of Switch FE tho

ImmaLittlePip or Pokémon?

dae treehouse ruined everything

Wissenschaft Machiavelli would have chosen the path of less conflict with a quick end to war. He may have been evil and shrewd but he certainly wasn't dumb

Exorion I agree gregor needs a spotlight I love the guy. kinda overshadowed

Yeah but isnt fire emblem always about the crazy people i mean unique heroes....i consider obsession with justice like arthur mental illness so that tells you how i see things

Doug Austin If he does, he would need to check the original due to a change between versions.

I agree, but I find the Japanese version to be Canon. the wiki hits many of the important changed bits last time I checked.

He's a bit more consistent than you think. In Support and Story and in both games he doesn't go against his Father even if he thinks what his Father is doing is wrong. How did you overlook that?

An interesting thought. Though I wonder what would have happened if Xander’s Siegfried didn’t react at all after seeing garon sitting on the throne like that.