Xeno is out here farming like it's Stardew Valley and you know what, i'm here for it.

Man, if Pyro had just kept his fucking head down, did the MSQ and some of the more involved side quests, and did Lore videos... He'd be eating so good right now. There's a massive hole where Ethys Asher used to be just evaluating references, story inspirations and deeper lore.

All this farming, you sure you aren't a top level gatherer Xeno?

Xeems the reason you get all the Pyro aggro ia because you have tank stance on

Everyone: Beats a Dead Horse. Zepla: Eats the steak.

This is literally going to be a netflix series

I was intrigued by his enthusiasm towards the lore. But relatively early i saw him ban someone for a small comment. The comment wasnt even in bad faith or spoiling or being really sassy. It was minor. I noped out relatively fast. From then on i watched all his apologies and all this drama from the sidelines. Easily one of my best decisions lmao

Pyro seems desperate and backed into the corner, acting like a scared cat trying to claw his way out. He pissed me off when he claims he’s using “having autism” as an excuse. I AM autistic, and I don’t use it as an excuse when I’m seeking attention and forgiveness. And using FFXIV as a scapegoat is extremely petty.

What's always funny to me is the people who constantly mention how they watched his lore videos and how they were excited for that kind of content for FFXIV. Hell he even took notes on the lore as he played through the MSQ, taking sometimes a half hour or more just jotting down notes in his booklet... what has he done for lore content? He does react content, he watches the MSQ and he takes notes and he screams at his audience for every little thing and since picking up FFXIV he's done 2 'lore videos' both based on the Twelve Raid. He's not even performing his main selling point, the guy went from a giant lore and speculation nerd for WoW to a purely mid-tier reaction channel gawking at the MSQ. Is it any wonder no one cares about his content anymore?

I've subbed to Pyro a few times. I've defended Pyro. Felt bad for Pyro. I was even subbed to him when he tweeted all that bullshit and shrugged it off as Pyro misspeaking out of anger again. It wasn't the outbursts themselves that did it. No, I'm used to those at this point and so is the rest of his community. It's just something you roll your eyes at with him and move on. This time it was how he attacked other streamers and his "apology/explanation" videos. I was in the middle of learning about all this drama going on when I saw he was live streaming. I was curious if he'd be able to bounce back and cover the new lore/content with the patch dropping because lore is what I watch him for usually, or if he'd be covering the drama going on. so I swapped over to see him crying while watching a video about ADHD and how people just don't understand your condition... Bro. Just stop streaming. I unfollowed him that instant. I've never felt so guilt-tripped into supporting someone before. It felt absolutely disgusting. This coming from someone who spent 7 years supporting dead beat boyfriends because their "situation wasn't their fault". I'm done feeling like I owe people shit to be worth their time.

i would like to point out that pyromancer messaging mr xeems has caused what is sort of a form of the "Streisand effect."

Zepla really goes off when she wants to but with really solid truth behind the words, it's so funny

Pyromancer has gone hollow, he used to be someone I watched for his wow lore theories. But he has dug himself into this ditch and has no one to blame but himself.

Every google search is sayin she is 42. So can probably confirm that she is probably a vampire that gets sustenance from sunshine and giggle/cackles.

It actually inspires me when Xeems and Zepla talk about how they struggled back in the day. Me as a microscopic streamer rn, is actually going through what they just said and that makes me wanna try harder seeing where they are now hahaha

Pyro's stream today was titled "No Drama" so I peeked in out of curiosity and the first thing I heard was drama about him refusing to stop using someone's emote when they requested him to.

I don't understand why Pyro doesn't double down on KZfaq videos. When he was going through the story with his little notepad I was excited to see what he would come up with and the lore deepdives we would get. None of that has happened when I felt like that was the most obvious thing to do.

"How did this make you feel?" like I made the right decision when I unfollowed him during the last drama. I started following his content because I thought he'd finally get into the lore but actually he just writes notes in a book all stream and is so focused on stroking his ego with guessing the lore and scribbling notes that he literally loses track of facts unfolding right in under his nose.

aint no fucking way zepla is actually 42 years old

If this was Island Sanctuary strummer would already be Rank 16 with how much farming he's been doing

To answer Xeno's queestion on how someone who used to watch Pyro feels about seeing that: it's not surprising he's been far gone for a good while now. I used to like his lore videos back in bfa and when he decided to go over to FFXIV I saw it as a good opportunity and that maybe we'll be getting those kinds of lore videos in a new game. Then he went on to do msq streams like everyone else and pretty much did nothing lore-wise (despite constantly taking notes lmao). Then.... DRAMA. We got into the pyro drama arc and we never left. I honestly see him as a clown and love everyone pointing their fingers at this self-righteous would-be community guru. It's like he sees streamers like some sort of gods and believes that he has also attained godhood therefore he deserves respect.

What Pyro doesn’t understand is that people who happen upon his stream might actually sub if they like what they are watching. But if all they see are annoying ads and miss out on content, they will move on to other channels.

Xeno's react game has improved so much. He's going places.

People need to learn that Subs are gifts from the viewers to the streamer. It is a thank you from the viewer for the streamer.

As a former mod from his WOW lore days, can confirm none of this is new

The funniest thing to me, regarding Pyro putting ads at important moments in the story to try and make people sub, is the fact that his giant meltdown about WoW was (at least partially) rooted in Blizzard taking parts of the lore of WoW, putting it in a book and then selling it as a novel instead of putting it in the game.

I vaguely recall Pyro saying his stream money paid for his wedding and house. Now now a new car too? Tin foil hat time, but I wonder if he took out loans thinking the money would keep rolling in at a steady pace, but now that it's not, he's freaking out over his new debts.

I'm usually not one for drama that much; I'll watch some clips, point & laugh and that's about it. This, however, is pure gold! It should probably end soon-ish, but I kinda want it to keep going... I still have popcorn ready!

Strummer’s farming like there’s no tomorrow, WE WANT MORE lmfao!! And Zepla continues to encourage pyro to fuck up more for content, amazing content

When Pyro showed up it was great watching him go through the story, and people kept saying he made great warcraft lore videos and he kept taking notes throughout msq but none of that content really... Materialized?

10:38 with a burn like this zepla deserves a title like "Pyromancer" way more than pyromancer does because shes' casting straight fire.

the drama that keeps on giving, thanks pyro for making the study break that much enjoyable

I come from WoW and have known about Pyromancer and his content for about 5ish years. I remember a few years back before he moved over to FFXIV, he had posted a video that was him literally begging for money from his audience while he put on a massive sob story; the level he takes being a content creator for granted and only wants money has always been there. Dude needs to get a 9-5 at retail and then pretend like he wasn't given a golden ticket to life.

Xenos I can't believe you ended the stream on NatsuDragonSlayer and didn't kiss the homies goodnight >:(

Pyro's ego was a problem through the entirety of his msq playthrough. I was there for his 2nd msq stream onward and his entire 2.0 playthrough was him yelling at different people in chat and getting stunlocked for 45 minutes at a time. First time I took a break from his streams was when he was in heavensward and started talking about auctioning off his "lore notebooks" (the notebooks that he would basically just copy down msq dialogue that he thought was important) and when someone in chat said that they didnt think anyone would pay for them he got super defensive and aggro about it. it was so cringe i stopped watching him until he was late in stormblood. It seemed like he was doing better at the point but then he started doing the ivalice raids, where he decided to just skip through all the dialogue, for someone who claimed to care about the story and wanted to refer to himself as a "lore master" this was weird as hell to me. On top of that there was the ridorana lighthouse meltdown, where he got so mad that he kept dying to mechanics that he refused raises and left the room for the rest of the fight, only to come back and call people in chat the R slur just for typing "kekw" when he would die. I decided to come back again when he was in shb patches to see how he was doing, but finally noped out for the last time when he boosted dark knight and white mage. I'm not against people boosting alt jobs but again, someone who claimed to care so much about knowing the lore skipping through job quests rubbed me the wrong way and i never looked back. The fact that its been almost like?? over a year since he skipped those jobs and he still had the dark knight quest locked behind a sub goal is absolutely hilarious. Anyway sorry for the essay, just figured i would give context to some of the stuff that went on during his msq playthroughs for anyone who wasnt there

like asmongold said, every drama gives him content 😁

Holy shit! I had to google it, Zepla IS 42! I would have guessed late 20s early 30s

Oh no it's inception time (Edit: React to Ginger Prime's pyro take? Apparently there was Pyro talking about LAWSUITS (WTF???))

“Cause if ur not subbed, you’re watching an add!” -Gets an ad Well damn. He was right

More viewers -> more people chatting -> more interaction -> less people leave -> more people are likely to sub or give bits -> Streamer benefits More viewers -> Twitch puts you higher in that category -> more interaction ^

ngl this whole fiasco and watchign ur and other streamers thoguhts has given me so so much insight on streaming .. actually perfect timing when im trying to start up lolol

Pyro knows better than to go after Zepla. She is the wholesome heart of the community, even when she is on break and streaming other games. He's on a career death spiral. Going after her is just going the Quintis route

It's true, I don't give a fuck about streamers as far as I'm concerned they're all just monkeys there to entertain me and when they don't anymore I move on.

Every time i see an ad on your channel, i dip and come back a few mins later and poof, no more ads

xenosys be farmin for all the gainz. LOL although I have to give pyro at least some credit cause there's some wrong information in this & zepla's video. he doesn't have a house. he's renting it. the main problem with money he has is that his wife almost died from miscarriage when he found her bleeding on the floor, few days after they got married. i remember they were in the process of setting up health care properly but miscarriage happened before so the cost has been ridiculous. some comments also asked where are his parents. his dad was a meth addict and his step dad used to beat and his brothers so i think his mom divorced him. guess he only has his mom now.

lmao why is xeno's laugh so infectious??

Bro the timing to have an ad immediately after saying "if you're not subbed, you're watching an ad" is insane

29:00 It's actually an impressive chris-chan impression unironically possible unintentionally. I'd encourage going that route if it wasn't for how his online career ended.

hell yeah, on that content grind

Pyro is flexing his stats as if he got top dps in a fight. But the stats he is really flexing is a gray parse.

I cant remember last time I've seen an ad anywhere. So many free adblocks out there

I’ve been playing 14 since 2016 and I am just now finding out about your content. I feel like I’ve missed out on the gem that was perfectly created just for me. You rock

I remember him attacking Zepla for playing that evil wizard game. Good thing she didn't gave in and did what she wanted to do. Pyro on the other hand tried to get some good boy points and came of as a total bully. If Zepla wanted she could have ripped him a new one after that but he is lucky she is still nice about it.

Yo real talk, when Xemo is reacting to the Warhammer 40k Lore?

I haven't even played FFXIV past the character creation and here I am watching you vs Pyromancer content 😂

He's not gonna fuck with Zepla since his fake irl issues dont compare to her real irl issues that she doesnt throw into people's faces.

I wish Zeno would add an anime-vein to his beard in the thumbnail to really emphasize his distaste 😂

i was a huge pyro fan back when i watched his WoW lore youtube video's but he has always been a hot head when he streamed even back then he isn't a good streamer he is a good lore enthusiast!

from day 1 I could sense this fake sense of "positive vibes guys, it's all love and we love everyone and the community, this is the best game ever" like ... the whole thing is so fake that it's kind of sickening, I have probably watched 50 different people going through MSQ, but just could not stand Pyro

FREE CONTENT! And 100% justifiable. As long as pyro keeps releasing absolute bangers, why the hell not!

Lmfao!!!! The comments about his chat got me dead, lmfao!!!! Love the xeemz

I didn't watch Pyro's live streams or VODs until FFXIV so I didn't really witness his non-scripted persona until then. I effectively played through FFXIV with him; I'd level and watch his stream, stop playing and wait until he catches up/stop watching him until I caught up - eventually realized that was a dumb way of playing so I'd get to the expansion cap and f**k around doing stuff until he caught up. And I brushed off his attitude as one offs or "he's got thousands of people pushing his buttons it's understandable that he grumps here and there". And then it kept happening and I just gave up religiously watching him. I remember once, he saw an AST weapon - I think it was one of the Bozja ones, Solstice? It's, like, 3 rings overlapping with a blue sphere in the center; and he saw it and was having a lore moment pondering if the blue thing was the planet, but he was saying Eorzea. and the chat-collective wasn't correctly communicating the issue to him (That he's thinking of Hydaelyn as the planet (this was prior to us learning the name of the planet is Etheirys iirc), and Eorzea is the continent). And the situation just dissolved and turned sour really quickly. Honestly, I'm glad I never game him any of my money. Not that he doesn't deserve it for the viewable content he gave me. Just, to me, it fees like he was making BANK and was just so reckless with his money. He was able to pay off his wedding completely, and there was absolutely no way they could have known Ariel's medical incident would occur - but they are renting. Surely it would be a smart idea to save towards a permanent form of accommodation rather than pay for a wedding, you don't need to spend tens of thousands of dollars to cement you're love for someone - get together the money for a house/apartment, have a small cheap ceremony if you need to be married for insurance/house reasons, then have a big faux-wedding later once your settled. Just feels like he's continuing to be reckless with his income while they have this insane medical bill to pay off while also renting. He knew that his numbers would cave once MSQ finished, he could have set up merch, worked on KZfaq videos, ANYTHING to supplement the stream revenue. And now he's fucking around with his viewership, and still claiming that he's making more than he did in his previous job - let's see how far that goes before he realizes he needs to get his act together and put together the non-existent pieces of the broken mess of a brand he destroyed. I hope Ariel is doing ok.

just get a better adblock guys.

I genuinely laughed so hard at 7:08 when Xeno started cracking jokes about his chat LMAO

Xeno standing beside on the shore watching a ship slowly sink drinking some OJ with some crackers .

Love you, Xeno. I'm just from the youtube side, but respect. Especially the farm game.

10:25 Zepla becoming the real Athena Savage... holy shit lol Still, damn he really could've just done lore, been some lore buff, and would've boomed again come 7.0 sucks because he was so in love with the change from WoW to XIV and it felt great to see, oh well

I will watch every single Pyro drama clickbait video. Gotta farm the clown while you can.

I had no idea who pyro was before this drama At least we get more Xeno content lol

Make hay while the sun shines, but don't blow up the sun for not shining Pyro.

I'm new here what does xffing and up enter mean

I found and followed pyro when he started msq. I enjoyed him, but I'm also very casual and found his long pauses in his streams boring. After ew I expected to see lore videos or something from him, but I haven't, and with all the drama I just don't see any content for me to watch from him. I sympathize with him, and wish he wasn't so self destructive. It's painful to watch. Initially i enjoyed his attemps at progressive critiques, but he says stuff in such clumsy ways, or straight up puts way too much emphases on something (chair) without ever actually having a nuanced conversation about it. Just a trainwreck. I empathize for the person as I said, but damn he really puts me off supporting him. :(

Please get that money-wig, man. That's brilliant!

Pyro making Xeno so much money, while Pyro is bleeding from his savings account lmao

I love how the editor just reuses thumbnails for all of these

The burber phone 😂 I love this bald genius.

Xeems needs a farming equipment sponsorship at this point

I’ve never subbed to anyone in my life and for some reason I’ve never seen a single ad, is that weird?

ohhhh gona try finding his punching down video

Farmer should be the next gathering class. Give ‘em a class-specific beard and strummer will main it

Bruh how tf is this stuff still going on 💀

I remember when I said in the unsub message that I was unsubbing because twitch was making it really hard to watch your stream. I still feel a bit bad because I like supporting a streamer I enjoy watching but if I literally cannot watch the stream I sub for then I'm basically not getting a service I pay for, kinda. I don't know if Twitch changed it so that having a sub hard locks not getting ads but like, I remembered getting ads on channels that I subbed to on twitch and it was infuriating. It's perfectly fine for a consumer to make a choice with their money where they will put it especially if said service is basically doing everything it can to lose their money. Also since I'm no longer really watching twitch at all, the money not given to them is completely justified at this point.

I just wanted to see someone enjoy and experience the MSQ for the first time, hear their thoughts, etc. But I was constantly put off by this attitude of his that did shine through even early on. It was about making mad money as quickly as possible.

VOLUME EQUALIZATION PLEASE

I don't even get the Zepla 42 meme, her entire brand bleeds 00s kid

The last time I watched pyromancer was on his last 6.0 msq stream. He made a promise not to do intentional ad breaks during the stream. He then, when pressed about what he meant by that, told the stream he actively puts as many ads as he can during the highest interest moments to increase his sub count. He talked about how smart he was, purposefully destroying his audiences experience to hopefully get them to sub. It's not twitch screwing him with ads. It's all intentional. He has always been only after the money.

"he ran ads during important cutscenes to motivate people to sub to make an experience so horrible that people pay to stop it" the apple don't fall far from the tree, mf straight up learning from blizzard

I unfollowed him after I seen the tweet. I felt like I wasted my time and I wasn't part of a community.

That's wholesome. I always say bye now.

i thought he said manfest and was like "wtf does he have a convention?" xD

I really don't mind ads if they help out the streamer i watch, even more so if its a smaller streamer. I just open a new tab and browse etc till they are over, np.

Since you were asking about Pyro viewers, I wouldn't call myself one, but I did briefly follow him when he came to FF 14. I unfollowed the moment when I heard him disparage his viewers. F that guy. I'm with Xeno, that guy is never gonna change and he is milking those viewers for short term gain. He doesn't have that long of life left on streaming, I believe.

Zepla's looking cute af with that blonde hair, I haven't watched her stream in ages lol. Anyways, it's funny how Xeno's just like "fuck it, you asked for it" and is watching everyone shit on Pyro. At this point, I no longer feel bad for Pyro at all

Man there was a point there where I was watching a youtuber watching a youtuber who was watching a youtuber.

man is out here pulling an MGK and murdering his career

Everyday are days that end in Y. So does Pyro's drama.

I like seeing Xeno talk about drama with people I know nothing about

I'd be extremely grateful If I was a streamer that even had 100 viewers regardless if they gave me money or not. Maybe I'm actually lucky though, and something like streaming would also turn me into an egotistical asshole that shamed people for not giving me money. People don't owe you money because you decide to stream, you owe those people for giving you any success if anything. I really enjoyed his old lore videos and actually liked some of his early ffxiv videos. I recommend he just do youtube videos and nothing live so he can at least go over what he said in editing before posting it.

lmao. ppl think Zepla is 42 😂 because yes, if it's on the internet, it must be true

Man I miss Ethysis the OG lore dude for XIV