Years of the Lamps & Trees in Under 5 Minutes

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Here is the main history of the Years of the Lamps & Trees (the Valian Years) in under 5 minutes! Thank you so much for watching, let me know your thoughts on these ages and if you would like to see more videos in this format! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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@MenoftheWest Жыл бұрын

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@yodaslovetoy Жыл бұрын

Melkor was like the spoiled child who kept destroying everything his siblings built

@ImperatorPenguin Жыл бұрын

Well, he was based on the Devil.

@eldermillennial8330 Жыл бұрын

All because daddy wouldn’t let him play with his nuclear reactor.

@CoinSlotKitty Жыл бұрын

More like Rings of Power showrunners.

@thorshammer7883 Жыл бұрын

@@ImperatorPenguin Except in real life Satan doesn't have the power or capability of destroying or changing the foundations of the Earth because Yahuah and Yahusha prevent him so and brought him lower then the beasts of the fields and Michael leader of the Seven Archangels restrains him.

@ImperatorPenguin Жыл бұрын

@@thorshammer7883 Not. The point.

@orrointhewise3913 Жыл бұрын

"And I strayed out of thought and time." I know the trees get the most publicity but I would loved to have seen the two lamps in their peak brilliance. But with both sources of light; the actual creation and formation of them would b completely jaw dropping to see. Gotta love the first age, full of so much wonder and out of this world splendor.

@LightingbladeShen Жыл бұрын

man imagine what Yoisten (sorry if the spelling is wrong) could do with 1 billion dollars... The stories he'd be able to bring to the screen

@mrmittenns5728 Жыл бұрын

Damn you're condensing 1000s of years into 5 minutes and you're still able to take chronological order into account. How refreshing!

@shadowofchaos8932 Жыл бұрын

I love how casually you breezed over the Helcerxe and kinslayings.

@sarahluchies1076 Жыл бұрын

*Helcaraxë. But yes, I agree.

@johns1625 Жыл бұрын

I saw another video a few months ago that was trying to create a visual timeline of Arda and it showed the Years of the Lamps being roughly 55% of the total time Arda existed until 200 of the 4th age, and then the death of the two trees left all other ages in the final 25%. I had never seen it visualized like that and man do I thirst for some stories of the Wars of the Powers!

@stefandebeer9375 Жыл бұрын

Quite the speedrun of a video that actually covers a HUGE amount of time(when converting from Valian- to normal years)😅

@shadowofchaos8932 Жыл бұрын

Hundreds of man hours to create in Tolkiens world, summed up on 5 minutes. Lol

@mikegillettify Жыл бұрын

Facts! Yoystan did well for the Lamps and trees elevator speech

@Alexs.2599 Жыл бұрын

While Melkor was the most powerful of the Valar, at the same time he was the weakest of them because he could not create anything of worth. All he could do is destroy and corrupt. Mock everything of worth that was in Arda. He commited the greatest of sins: destroying the Lamps, defiling then anihilating the Two Trees and of course creating the Orcs by kidnapping some of Iluvatar's first born children the Elves by torturing, mutilating and corrupting their very beings. That was his weakness, he wanted to control the fate of Arda by defying Eru's will for it. He truly belonged in the dark void because that is what his essence: dark nothingness. Great video Yoystan thanks once again.

@glennross85 Жыл бұрын

Named one of my daughters Laurelia after the tree Laurelin 👍

@Count.Saruman Жыл бұрын

Something I found in HoME which was incredibly creepy as far as the Valar are concerned was that the ban of the Valar was perhaps not laid on the Noldor due to any crime, but because the Noldor were actually the perfect weapon to keep Morgoth contained in Beleriand and dissipate his powers over the course of wars instead of destroying the landmass of Middle-earth by confronting him directly. The Valar therefore needed to provide the Noldor some incentive to remain and keep trying instead of coming back defeated. To summarise, from one possible perspective, Valar played everyone like a fiddle.

@thorshammer7883 Жыл бұрын

Eru Iluvatar gave Melkor too much power and capability in using it if you ask me. Even allowing him to hurt individual human beings himself. Yahuah and Yahusha never gave Satan Gadre'el that chance and made sure to restrain and bring him lower then the Beasts of the fields preventing him from hurting human beings directly through himself. Nor allowed him or any other angels like the Watchers to marr and change the world's shape as Morgoth did to Arda.

@unclejoe7466 Жыл бұрын

Cool. I like that interpretation as an alternate narrative put forward by the Valars' enemies -- it could have been part of the reasoning behind Sauron's seduction of the Dark Numenorians into the cult of Melkor.

@ryansmurda1552 Жыл бұрын

A few years ago when Amazon released screenshots of the two trees of Valinor from their new series I got so excited. Little did I know of the disappointment that awaited. Its a shame ROP could have been such a great series if done right and by the lore.

@emtiger3 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@francoaguilar2251 Жыл бұрын

You forgot that part where Melkor looked upon the Silmarils and they were so sexy he almost stopped being evil..because like, it turns out he isn’t the source of evil in Arda.

@Thomas.Wright Жыл бұрын

"Aule the Vala of Rock and Metal" - He did create Wind Rose.

@Kolious_Thrace Жыл бұрын

So much Tolkien lore and History in a 5-minute video👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Amazon guys watch this video before you start your crap again…

@Liquidsback Жыл бұрын

If Morgoth used Ungoliant to destroy the Two Trees, did he use a Great Moth of Shadow to destroy the Two Lamps?

@eldermillennial8330 Жыл бұрын

Nah, the moth would have burned up.

@philpetersen4477 Жыл бұрын

That moth had already died in the irresistible secret candle

@Count.Saruman Жыл бұрын

The original story was that Morgoth filled them with ice, which burst and cracked the lamps' shells due to their heat and light. Tolkien abandoned it eventually because he 'thought it fanciful'.

@Phoenix-King-ozai Жыл бұрын

Although Ungoliant destroyed the trees after Morgoth stabbed them, he only needed her to hide him from the Valar with her unlight Specifically from tulkas and orome He could have destroyed them on his own no problem

@PleaseNThankYou 12 күн бұрын

Always so happy to come here. I feel smarter now.

@Mark723 Жыл бұрын

You know - you had an extra second there at the end. Fascinating information succinctly rendered. You are a master of your craft and are greatly appreciated. Until the next one,,,

@MenoftheWest Жыл бұрын

Lol very true! Thanks Mark!

@Huskytabby Жыл бұрын

Solid video as usual, Yoystan!

@thorshammer7883 Жыл бұрын

*(Beleriand is left in ruin and sinks below the seas)* Valar: "We did it Eru! (or Ainur!) We saved Middle Earth!"

@Talion-jv1zp Жыл бұрын

Great Video, its amazing how much information you can convey in only 5 minutes while also maintaining your calm and pleasent way of speaking. I have a question though. At the end of the video you say, that the first age begins with the first rise of sun and moon. Is that really the case? I always thought that the first age began with the awakening of the elves at cuivienen and that part of the first age takes place during the years of the trees and part of it takes place during the years of sun and moon.

@WhisperingJackass Жыл бұрын

You tell a better story than Rings of Power.

@chaeyeon9187 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video 🙏 Cleared a lot of my doubts! Fan from India!

@theodore5540 Жыл бұрын

LETS FUCKING GO, MORE YOYSTAN YEAH

@Dare_To_Game Жыл бұрын

Fantastic summation of a great deal of events.

@radagast7200 Жыл бұрын

Pretty soon they're gunna putting those little youtube information disclaimers on your videos, but linking to Amazon's new lore.

@MenoftheWest Жыл бұрын

I would fight against that tooth and nail 😬

@Comicnut64 Жыл бұрын

Under 5 minutes sweet you even talked fast

@SunnyLovetts Жыл бұрын

Woah I didn’t know Arda use to be symmetrical! Morgoth OP!! :0

@Count.Saruman Жыл бұрын

'Morgoth OP' -Sauron, in his letter of resignation from Aulë Forges Pvt. Ltd.

@jordank316 Жыл бұрын

I was fully expecting for you to make a normal video and then just speed it up 3x as fast so it’ll fit inside 5 min and then at the end go “see there is no crash course on Tolkien’s beautiful work, there is no short cut”.

@Epic_Kingdom Жыл бұрын

Great video!

@wheresjc Жыл бұрын

Nerdrotic sent me here for good deep lore that didn't shill out. Great videos!

@Jayjay-qe6um Жыл бұрын

In Tolkien's latest writings in which Arda was a round world from its beginning, the Sun and the Moon (and the Two Trees for a time) had always given light to Arda, and the Two Lamps never existed.

@quixotiq Жыл бұрын

Which writings were those ?genuine question

@Guh_roomer_Gravedigger Жыл бұрын

New subscriber here. Just wanted to say Hi to the men of the west, I have been looking for a channel like yours for a while, huge shout out to Nerdrotic for recommending you guys.

@istari0 Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@mikegillettify Жыл бұрын

Well done!

@mrjasonsinco Жыл бұрын

Wow that was... really condensed!

@kaidorade1317 Жыл бұрын

Ah the years of the Lamps and the Two Trees! Wondrous times; until Amazon Prime’s Ungoliant came and gorged herself upon the light, extinguishing the the light and killing our beloved trees

@Uphier Жыл бұрын

Reduced intros and outros D: b...b...but they leave me with a positive feeling. Breaking my heart over here. An other great video!

@majorianus8055 Жыл бұрын

THIS SHOULD BE THE INTRO FOR RINGS OF POWER!

@hughgedney3393 11 ай бұрын

A very great video as Men of the West, and Melkor is such a petty entity.

@rickythe2nd63 Жыл бұрын

Excellent

@joshbailey4124 Жыл бұрын

Maybe you could do a second age in under 5 mins video just in case any non specific show runners need to brush up on their knowledge :DD

@Nealikus Жыл бұрын

All those years condensed into 5 minutes? What is this, Rings of Power?

@Ryan-vl2nn 8 ай бұрын

I’ve always wondered if there are any remaining traces of the Two Lamps from the Valian Years within Middle-Earth. Same with Utumno, as Utumno was basically within the north of Eriador (and a bit more east) if I’m correct.

@markstott6689 Жыл бұрын

After reading another comment below it set me thinking. So Yoystan, if Amazon gave you a $1Billion which story from the Legendarium would you choose to tell? Personally I think that I would choose Beren and Lúthien. There's much there to build upon. Plus it's a lot less sad than much of the First and Second Ages.

@MenoftheWest Жыл бұрын

That’s a great tale to start with! For me, even with access to everything in the legendarium, I would start with the Angmar War I think!

@markstott6689 Жыл бұрын

@@MenoftheWest I wasn't expecting that you would choose a tale from the Third Age. Even so, I think it would be interesting. The fact that the Witch King is involved pretty much guarantees an audience. Plus some second peak Glorfindel is always a bonus.

@MenoftheWest Жыл бұрын

Here is a link to the Timeline of Arda for the full telling of these events! kzfaq.info/sun/PLziriZRzCYwv50j0jRjZ37w5CrdXNre1o

@atanaszarkov9442 Жыл бұрын

Keep these vids coming, mate, to purge our brains from the Rings of Prime abomination.

@scrotusmaximus3043 Жыл бұрын

Melkor...Morgoth was still an aspect, a portion of Iluvitar itself...the strongest one at that.

@thorshammer7883 Жыл бұрын

Too strong and given too much reign. Thanks Eru you gave your angelic entities you made in your thoughts to be capable to create and form things including change the structure of the land within the world. Let's see how that went out. *(Continents are in ruins and their foundations fail and they sink into the ocean and the entire landmasses are eroded and collapse and the whole cosmology of Arda gets reset again and again.)* Didn't end well. Yahuah & Yahusha: "You gave your angelic creations the power to create and have thoughts of beings their own little gods and they forsaken and look down on mankind?!" "That is not how I made my cosmology or set the time span I made the world and heaven! And I made sure my angels would not marr the land at all through sheer physical might without my guidance or approval! I do not allow Satan such authority or power on the earth! And only I can create, and there will be no other gods before me, and I will judge those who defile and destroy my creation when the right time to comes like pulling thorns away from the wheat! And I do not abandon those who are righteous and have faith in me!"

@hitrapperandartistdababy 9 ай бұрын

Imagine if we could get a peter jackson styled show or movie franchise about the first age and just seeing Melkor destory the two lamps and the epic showdown between Ungolianth and Morgoths Balrogs

@WasabiSniffer Жыл бұрын

Man that Lorax was piiiiiiiiiissed

@markmicco1005 Жыл бұрын

How many years were The Time Of The Lamps followed by The Time Of The Trees? These two periods are so interesting to me though I can never understand why most don't consider those specific ages just like the ages to come after the Sun and Moon....

@Longshanks1690 Жыл бұрын

3:28 Melkor; certified creator of misinformation.

@thorshammer7883 Жыл бұрын

Satan/Gadre'el (the fallen Cherub of the Garden of Eden): "First time at decieving?"

@mustlovedragons8047 Жыл бұрын

Dis-information is deliberate. Mis-information is accidental. The more you know.

@Thomas.Wright Жыл бұрын

So we're doing one of those Time Compression things like in Rings of Prime?

@JM-jj3eg Жыл бұрын

3:58 I didn't know that "Kinslaying" was an oversea route.

@vikingodin1986 Жыл бұрын

I wish you would do longer videos on the lore instead of the rings dross ...but still enjoyed 👍👍

@jackbaccarat4084 Жыл бұрын

What if Pippin went with Frodo and Samwise stayed with Merry. Had the Frodo taken one of the other hobbit companions with him to continue the path to mordor. How would his choice in companion change the course of the journey.

@eticacasanova Жыл бұрын

Melkor's essence is not the void, he chose the void; and he can't create, because he rejected Iluvatar's music and tried to produce his own music, which was horrible, but Iluvatar seized that power and made something bigger and more grandiose. Obviously, that great scene is a prophetic and symbolic expression of what was to come in Arda. And that is, obviously, a metaphor for the work of creation, the power to be a second cause collaborating with God's work, the rebellion of satan, the product, in the total history of creation, of the evil and the good fighting each other, in Catholic theology. It's very big, wonderful, sublime, deep, grandiose, overwhelming....

@mikes7504 Жыл бұрын

Quick clarification, did Melkor betray Ungoliant or vice versa?

@Extys Жыл бұрын

Melkor promised Ungoliant any treasure she might ask for as payment for her part in the destruction of the Trees. Seeing the purity of the Light coming from the Silmarils, she demanded that she be given them so she could consume them. Melkor refused.

@aidanhart9871 Жыл бұрын

Good very :) ...a tough task trying to cover this in 5 minutes haha.... wouldve been a better introduction than ROP rubbish

@Vasious8128 Жыл бұрын

Is anything wrote of the Ainur who did not enter Arda?

@Extys Жыл бұрын

No, nothing at all.

@AugustusR Жыл бұрын

If only someone else had the IP (and the funds!) to bring into our screens the Glory of the First Age... alas we live in times as predicted by Aragorn upon the Black Gate, and all that is beautiful is best left to rest, lest it be spoiled.

@eu4um Жыл бұрын

You can see how much of a fan of Tolkien Kirkbride is with his TES lore with how he has the Merethic Era be as wondrous and mystical as the Years of the Trees in Tolkeins works.

@PugrillaEggy54321 Жыл бұрын

@jimmieglass3744 7 ай бұрын

His name is not Fingle-Fin. It's Fin-Golf-Fin.

@Extys Жыл бұрын

Lol you just "jumped" >3,400 years between "the Eldar came to Valinor" and "the flight of the Noldor" basically the entire Noontide of Valinor

@chazz30000 Жыл бұрын

Well that's not how Rings of Power tell it /s

@MatthewFura Жыл бұрын

First!

@thorshammer7883 Жыл бұрын

I must say when making the foundations and form of the world of Arda Eru Iluvatar is too laid back and slow and prefers to have his own creations to do the structuring after showing them his intended wanting designs compared to how Yahuah of Spirits and Yahusha the Son of Man in the Bible personally made the structures of the world and their set short time in books of First Enoch, Jubilee, and Genesis and made sure their creations the Angels including the Angel of the Preseance on the first day he made them would see and witness every work their creator had done each day before ending it all with mankind he made in his image and intended all thay laid on the earth perfectly at the start to be their's to rule and care. While Melkor ruined it all the minute he personally marred it with his power's essence. Something which angels like Gadre'el/Satan cannot do themselves because they do not hold such authority or power and can easily be restrained from directly physically hurting anybody by Yahuah himself showing he takes what intentions his creations do seriously and cares about mankind's safety alot. Plus the world's structure would remains mostly unchanging and nobody outside of his will can reshape it's form and that there will be no other other gods but him. Which many angels like the 200 Watchers did not heed. But atleast in his cosmology evil spirits and beings cannot rise in physical might and power to be as gods to avail against his true righteousness and holy ones. The Valar are honestly not as good as the Seven Archangels are in their purpose, positions, and duties bor fulfilling them all the way righteously and faithfully either.

@marcusdupree3517 Жыл бұрын

I love you bro but you are slipping a little bit. I've had to correct you twice this week..... I've never had to correct you before......Meliorate DIDN'T Betsy Ungoliant, she betrayed him by wanted every single gem and jewel... including the silmarils which was not part of the original agreement. He did he's part and gave her everything except the 3 silmarils... she she attacked him.

@jackiepaper6464 Жыл бұрын

Melkor is Tolkien s Lucifer. Eru is God. Valar are the archangel s.

@avanichi Жыл бұрын

Why is you channel called "Men of the West" and not "People of the West"? Does it have a certain meaning or is it a reference to some text? I am not offended or anything, I also don't mean to offend you, I am just curious since I am a woman and a fan.

@avanichi Жыл бұрын

Also I am aware that "men" can also refer to humans in general, I am just not an english native speaker and find this odd haha.

@Thomas.Wright Жыл бұрын

It comes directly from Aragorn's speech at the Battle of the Black Gate: "Sons of Gondor! Of Rohan! My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, MEN OF THE WEST!"