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By george! You cracked the code!

Zeriam 7 + 1 + 2 + 3 (Main Games) = 13 As in thirteen seekers of darkness.

And kingdom hearts 3 will supposedly release 13 years after KH2 (released in 2005 btw)

"2 + 2 is 4, minus 1 that's 3 quick maths"

10000000% yes agree

KH is not poorly written. You just don't fully understand the lore like everyone else. Everything makes sense, even the parts that don't make any sense. Jokes aside though, yeah. We're most likely in a love and hate relationship with the series, but no matter how we feel about it, the story is a complete mess and SE is doing everything in their power to milk it as much as possible.

SkyPG beat all the games, still had to use outside sources to understand it all. KH fans take more pride in understanding the story then actually beating the game.

That IS beating the game.

I really don't see how it's written poorly... Yes it's confusing but the only game that really had plot holes or anything was Dream Drop Distance.

She did actually. It was hilarious. Here watch it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/atyHiayTt-DZl58.html

I was looking for this comment lol

@@recess7 damn i guess it took you 3 years to find this comment

Noir Lilbomber comment of the year right here XD

Now at the end of 2017 we know that we got the release window of KH3 and a promise that it will be the next KH game. Thank god

Why isn't superbutterbuns on your top 10 waifu list? Disgusting.

one day my son

Indeimaus w

Did you know that Po is a german word for butt? Like Popo, Hintern, Gesäß. But yeah: Your PO Box is technically a Butt Box.

Indeimaus do you really wanna know? Ugh is so confusing

Norman Gervacio *cough*

No I understand it. It's just that there are mgs level plot holes in areas.

Norman Gervacio Nobody's i see what you did there...

"Nobody", huh? ;)

I feel like im one of the only people to understand the plot of theses games

I have one more idea about that, did you still remember Chain of Memory effect that made Kairi and other forgot about Sora? That's it, it's the most make sense possibility.

Erikthedood Also correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't the Realm of Darkness slowly eat away at your memory?

Okay, next explain why Mickey spent 12 years never mentioning or even thinking about Terra, Aqua, or Ven, especially when he had bumped into Aqua at the end of KH1.

@@MidnightKoi Didn't Mickey say he knew Sora and Riku would try and save her,but in the end they may have both gotten stuck in the Realm of Darkness without a way out

@@SlyNeonHusker Yes, but that doesn't stop HIM from going, not does it explain when they get mentioned and he practically says, "oh, my friends! Right!"

UltimateCarl they're actually pretty detailed and yeah they do sometimes look like plastic but if you want true plastic look at the E3 demo ._.

They still do look like 3D rendered Baby oiled up action figures, and make it so hard to suspense the disbelief when trying to immerse yourself into the scene/story. In last year's KH3 TGS trailer however, when we see Sora do the Buzz Lightyear summon surprisingly enough he had No "gloss" whatsoever, and looked completely normal so here's to hoping they're going with that for KH3. Cause you said it best when you said " Uniform quality to the textures where every different material kind of looks the same". Unreal Engine 4 is great for world design, not so much for characters.

Friendly reminder that this is *demo*. In a recent Nomura interview, he said that they've been reworking character models for KH3.

I know! What is this Sonic Adventure?

Oh totally! I fully hope it improves, and even if it doesn't I will still love the series! Just musing. :D

according to who? do you have a linK?

Mikeyoshi27 According to Nomura. Read his interviews

Mikeyoshi27 Nomura said that was going to be the prologue to KH 3. You can look it up in his interviews. I think it was revealed last year around E3

+Mikeyoshi27 Nomura stated it in an interview. According to him, it ruined the pacing of KH3 so he cut it off and made it its own thing.

the reason i heard was that KH3 was too big and they had to cut something out so they cut the prologue out to make it its own thing.

How does she only have 4 likes

@@VulturesNest ??

@@VulturesNest ??

lol

Nimdonomuskid at least we got 2.5 hd. ground zeros didn't even give us mgs 3 hd when it release

At least 0.2 is released in a compilation instead of an obviously overpriced $40 standalone.

At least they were honest about 0.2 being short and intended to be a preview.

"and Knuckles"

that was the first thing that came to mind when they first announced 0.2

same

I never really thought about the way the story was constructed. I just went with it with no second thoughts, just like all Japanese media.

an artist that loves screwing over everyone

Hah. Imma try to not take this out of context.

AM no that’s Yoko Taro. But he does it intentionally

If Nomura is an artist, that makes Trump the next Einstein.

Sam Fisher ok let’s not get carried away here. He’s not THAAAAAAAAT bad

Oh my god please no

Calm down guy with an interesting name, it's just the name of the cutscene. It literally just proves there is nothing between that and KH3.

Gaius, 2.9.5

(post kh3) it was 2.9

@@KaimArgonarEyyyy hehehe

Twindle 07 Guess Nomura wasn't kidding when he said he's going to explain everything

But then it leads to the question of "Why didn't Aqua's clothes disappear?"

1NameGoesHere you're a dumbfuck.

1NameGoesHere I believe that's where Rule34 comes into place.. and well you have Google for that

What a silly, trivial thing to complain about.

Mines was Re:coded.

Irfan Fakhrianto Oh god, 3D was my first game...if I had started with 1, I would be a lot nicer to this series.

DDD was the first game for all of you? How the hell did you withstand that? How did you all survive?

Ivan21234 I deluded myself into thinking the story was good at first.

I think we all have.

It fits kh1s ending but fucks up the bbs ending because aqua isn't supposed to know about sora and riku saving the world until she meets ansam

It didn't really fuck it up considering the fact that both Aqua and Ansem were in the realm of darkness for too long especially Aqua. Even Ansem mentioned it in the Blank Points that a lot of his memories were gone and the title of the scene itself is self-explanatory, *BLANK POINTS*, means she already forget about a lot of things. Even in this game, there were various of flashbacks, the memories that Aqua tried to hold on from the darkness corruption. When Aqua fell into the darkness again at the end. She's willing to accept the darkness which also affected her memories. When she heard Sora's name, she shed tears. A sign of hope and for her not give up. If she didn't know about Sora save the world before, it wouldn't really affected her emotion that much but hearing the same name again for the second time, it gives more impact to her.

***** um i guess

Actually there is no indication that aqua looses her memories. Don't forget how ansem the wise got blown into the RoD by an explosion. More likely that that is the reason for his amnesia. The more logical reason for her asking abou Ven and Terra is the fact that there is no time in the realm of darkness, for all she knows, several centuries couldve passed. Think about it, from when she fell into darkness in BBS to the end of 0.2 10 years have passed, but Aqua said it felt like shes been in darkness forever. And in all that she hasnt aged a day.

+tehsunBro Ansem blowing up in KH2 was the second time he got sent to the RoD, and he said he had already forgotten his memories.

And be scarred for life by it . . . the eye bleach it does nothing.

Kirusei Nagisa gtfo

it was a joke, calm down

Or watch some of the movies. Like "Mickey's twice upon a christmas" features all the main characters and is animated in a 3D/CG style. Seriously. Sitting in my living room while my little sister was watching those lame Disney Junior shows made me lose braincells. Go for the movies instead. ^^

hot dog, hot dog, hot diggity dog

yeah, the X blade "'χ'... A most ancient letter. Some say 'kye,' but the meaning is the same. Death... A letter that spells endings." -Master Xehanort

- Nomura, Master of Bullshit*

Keyblade Xemnas if your Lenard Nemoy it’s the Keeeeeblade

Actually, the letter χ is pronounced "kai" in english (I use it a lot in physics for fields). So technically speaking, the correct english pronunciation would be "kai"-blade. If you go with the original greek pronunciation of the greek letter χ, it is like the German ch sound, a mix between the ch in the German words "Buch" (book) and "ich" (I). So, if you go by the original greek pronunciation, it would be "chi"-blade. I am a huge KH fan, but I really don't understand why they chose to pronounce it like "keyblade". Maybe they wanted this ambiguity so that it actually sounds like an ordinary keyblade, but that might only work in Japanese (it certainly does not in English, German or Greek).

i hate the pronunciation of kai, but its almost necessary to make it so for a distinction between it and the other lesser keyblades. I feel like they couldve done something else for the name, but since it CAN be pronounced Keyblade, its not a big deal.

Spacious Wheat Well you were right. We’re gonna be slaves to this franchise forever 😂

K-Rez the thing is, KH 2.8 was also a beta test at the core. They've actually patched it in response to fan complaints

Or maybe 2.8 shouldn't exist but 0.2 supposed to be in Kh 3 main games as prologue (also shitty 2.9)

Possibly, not only that but by "Sora and riku are saving the worlds" it could be in the middle of their adventure and they just happen to cross paths at a good time

Yes. A big beautiful mess.

@Magnus Von Braun Everyone recommend the newcomers who don't have the game or just want to know the lore to watch this KZfaq channel name Everglow. This person almost complete the lore through timelines. It's called KH Timelines. From almost all of the kh games include mobile version. This person is amazing as heck! :O But actually, many kh fans are tried to fix the story of what's wrong with His bad writing and rewrite them into a theory even though Nomura don't confirmed that but the theory often make sense that his absurd writings XD

Yea they fucked up when they had Micky mention sora and riku

She will be back in KH3. She has to.

@@LobGamer she's on the cover so hopefully she's back and not just in a cutscene as like a memory or something and they just slapped her on the cover so fans will buy it

Eesh, if that happens, then I'll do a reverse swan dive into a pool full of chainsaws.

WELLLLLLLL

Re: mind DLC: OH that Kairi! Here she is kicking Master Xehenort's ass

@Magnus Von Braun she's a plot device for Sora to be stronger

Finally, someone gets it!

SaberRexZealot but this is 2 games and a movie

Don't put that Kojima level voodoo on this game. Don't do it.

I'm from the future, you fucking called it.

Kingdom Hearts 1 hit the sweet spot for depth in conjunction with its premise. After that, the series starting shitting the bed. It's find to have a story being made up as it goes along. What's infuriating is that Nomura tries to have his cake and eat it, too. He makes it up as he goes along, but then tries to retcon and come up with meaningless convoluted plot points whose sole purpose is to make it seem like everything is thought out and connected. It's phone, jarring, and not at all fun to try to sift through. The fact is, each self-contained game (except DDD) is fun and interesting to play through, but when the series tries to be this big interconnected epic it just gets to be too much.

@@ShadowMuppetX nah, it's literally you just personally not having an open mind. Many people love the story. Many people don't. But if something is this successful, it's safe to say that considering it "bad" is a personal opinion. Just like how fidget spinners got super popular. Many people hated them and many people loved them. Just like vaping, emojis, etc... Learn to accept your opinion doesn't matter to others and keep it to yourself. Discuss things objectively.

Bergonath they are 1.5 and 2.5 are remasters so it makes sense KH1 came out in 2002

I'm talking about the new graphics, mate.

That's not a fact, that's subjective

Bergonath like 2.8

Cause if not 1.5 and 2.5 are just upscales for the most part

1 year passed in real time, in realm of darkness time it isnt that long, thats why.

We don't even know how long it is in the realm of darkness if it's 1 year in real time.

Actually, time doesnt exist in the realm of darkness. For all she knows, several hundred years couldve past in the realm of light. She definately says it feels like shes been in darkness forever. And her not aging proofs that no time passes in the realm of darkness. Her hair hasnt grown at all. Nomura probly did that so he can ship Aqua with Riku.

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

Xenthro Unfortunately, you're very alone on those thoughts friend. Just one look at the comment section here can tell you that much. The story is definitely complicated but as someone who's played the entire series out of order, I'm lost on everyone else's confusion. Maybe its a sign the story is bad or maybe people are simply impatient and want everything explained to them now rather than later. Perhaps its a combination of both or neither at all. Who can really say at this point. All I can say though is that you wasted your tume commenting since its quite obvious most people here think the series is bad for myriad of reasons. Its not worth even attempting to say anything here

Cesar Pena I don't see how that can be an indicator of the story being bad. I think it's more just too complicated for people. most people do prefer really linear plot lines over stuff like Metal Gear and Kingdom Hearts. It is really surprising how much people don't get.

Xenthro I just feel like someone would say that KH story is so convoluted that playing the games out of order shows how much of a ness it is. But I agree with you to an extent. Major complexity within stories are often not for eveyone. Actual convolution is definitely not what KH is because if that were true then literally nothing would make sense at all from any of the games and they would probably try to pretend that it does by using something mundane like references or just simple mentions instead of what the story actually does whichbis interweaving key plotpoints from each game into one big giant ball of crazy weird goodness. I think people just call it convoluted because its simply too complex to invest time in for them. Nomura himself likes to make new things as he goes so everyone saying that its points off for story makes no sense since that's how he likes to write. His main problem as a writer is not finishing what he writes. Ironically enough though, KH is proof that he is finishing what he started for once so people acting like all these new things are just simple BS plot holes is weird to me. Its obvious the man has always had a very general idea for KH main story and kept the first game somewhat simple since the very idea of Final Fantasy and Disney together was the riskiest crossover anyone could think of. Nomura is known for making stories much bigger than what they were intended to be and sometimes they work out while other times they don't. He was taken off FF15 because of this and I think it made him realize that he needs to finish an idea before moving onto a new one, something that we see has progressed interestingly throughout KH, his baby essentially. And this is coming from a guy who started the series with Chain of Memories as his first game(gba version too). Despite not knowing the the first game, I was still invested because the writing was unique and the characters felt like they had so much to them. I never felt confused because I simply said to myself, "They'll probably explain it later" or "must be from the previous game so I'll just roll with it" and in most cases, I was right. Unlike most, I chose to focus on the current events to each game instead of puzzling myself with endless questions that I knew I had no right to ask. Overall, KH is a ride essentially. Why ask questions when you'll get what you need from it if you just sit back and let it take you where it wants to go. From what I can tell, that's how the story want to be seen and many other lengthy series do this as well so why do people not show the same amount of patience and understanding with KH? Hell if I'll ever know

I don't think people are really saying that the story is bad, that they want it to be linear, or that they don't understand the complexity of it. From what I can tell, people are tired of the *unnecessary* convoluted plot points that Nomura adds to "set up" for KH3. Personally, most of the side titles feel so unnecessary with the exception of a few that significantly added more to the universe without keeping you in the dark if you've only played the main titles. Just because you make your story convoluted, doesn't make it good, well planned, or organised. Someone has argued that if people need to reference so much in order to understand your story, then you might have a problem with how you're explaining it. It's one thing if you HAVE to play the main titles to understand what's going on but CAN play the side titles to get additional information, but a lot of people are arguing that Nomura likes having his cake and eating too by saying, "Hey, guys. You know those games that feel like fillers? It turns out that you need to play it in order to understand what the hell is going on. Give me money."

Xenthro i agree oh so whole heartedly

He can simply be the last to be saved not saving him kinds ruins the whole point of saving the ones xheanort hurt

oh well. he was a dumbass anyway

i'm not saying that we shouldn't try and save him, but we technically don't need him to get the 7 warriors of light.I'm all for trying to get him back, but if how we get him back just feels like it was put in there just for the sake of "everyone needs to be happy", then i kinda would prefer he either stays gone or sacrifices what little bit of his heart remains within Xehanorts to help fight him from within, then at least he was there and helps, giving him closure, but they don't have to find some bullcrap way to bring him back. just kinda depends how they do it. if done well, i'll be glad to have him back. but it's better for him to have closure than to come back "just because"

Unnamed Protagonist it's not bringing him back just cause coded, ddd and even 0.2 have been leading up to everyone xeahnort hurt being saved that's the whole point of course he's not going to be a guardian but he will be saved

Kevin Carroll ok i'm not explaining myself very well. by reason, i meant more HOW we get him back than WHY. i understand that all these games have been leading up to saving everyone, but i really want the way we get him back to feel good, like going into Xehanorts heart and fighting alongside the bit of Terra that is left in there, not just "oh hey he came back because of reasons that just kind of happened." i would rather us get a touching story of him sacrificing himself and staying gone rather than that. i still feel like i'm not explaining myself very well.

the tales of series is nothing like kingdom hearts in terms of combat.

Kaito Bloodedge It is a fact that they are both real time action RPGS with a focus on combos and special moves with different attributes, elemental or otherwise. the execution on that concept is what separates the two series, but the core idea is very much the same.

Kingdom Hearts has very little focus on combos compared to the tales series. Kingdom hearts is more like a really slow hack and slash, with RPG mechanics thrown on top.

Kaito Bloodedge You mean sora spinning around like a ballerina on acid half the time is "slow hack and slash combat"? I really don't get that line of thinking.

you might want to play a bit less cookie cutter hack and slahes.

I agree, the plot is pretty simple and clean.

Galactic Donutz the plots not hard to follow at all, it's when you get to pro nouns,and meanings is where some people get lost. same with mgs

yeah but wasn't coded, days and bbs prolouges to ddd which is a prologue to kh3

Galactic Donutz it's definitely simple, not complicated at all, but in an attempt to make it more intense while still making it child friendly they went the 'complex' plot threads route=convoluted. they try to make so many small things meaningful and unironic, and it ends up making the whole thing a little cheaper.

Galactic Donutz same

Mark Johnson the "card" one (chain of memories) is definitely a main entry and has an incredible battle system, i highly recommend playing through the (oooh wee this is gonna be a mouthful) remaster of the remake of the ps2 game on ps3 in the 1.5 collection.

Mark Johnson literally every game is canon. Even the phone game

Mark Johnson there are 9 games and 3 makes 10. 1 sets up characters, chain of memories sets up characters, 2 finishes the nobody plotline, 358/2 is all about characters, birth by sleep sets up the last few characters and the final conflict, coded sets up one item, unchained χ and back cover continues to set up said item, and dream drop distance finishes setting up 3's conflict.

Noah Jordan wow that was strangely concise.

itchy tit I think a lot about how to explain kingdom hearts to newcomers concisely.