For a returning player, these were very heartbreaking. Some of the most iconic cards in the game were completely destroyed.

I will never forget how they butchered Chaos Emperor Dragon, the lord of an Era. I wish they kept the effect and left him in the banlist. The only Errata I want is on the God cards that actually make them playable. At least give them better protection I mean come on. :/

Im with you on this one. Im not a fan of Erratas. Im ok with some minor changes, things like adding once per turn, things that seemingly could have just been overlooked during the cards creation. But gutting a card just to take if off the ban list, for it to then not see any play, doesnt make any sense and tarnishes the legacy of the card. Sure its "legal" but most can only be used casually, and even then most still dont make it back into casual decks. You know what else you can do casually when dueling with friends? Just allow the use of banned cards. My friends and I like playing with banned cards/decks from time to time to be able to feel how truly oppressive they were or see of theres any modern "out" for some of these "impossible" to beat cards. Id rather have actual OP god cards that were so good they could never be taken off the ban list, instead we get the weak and pathetic basically unplayable versions, and they see no play. Cards are much cooler when they cant be played because they are too good vs cant be played because they are too bad.

Pot of greed: "Draw a small pitcher of blood to play this card, pay 9000 life, throw your extra deck off a boat and divorce your wife, draw 1 card".

Goyo Guardian the most frustrating OCG mandated errata even though we had unbanned him in TCG beforehand and it did nothing

Erratas are a horrendous idea, especially when you can easily retrain cards. Erratas should only be for PSCT.

They should have never ever errata'd cards like Chaos Emperor Dragon and Sinister Serpent. They should be either unbanned in their full text, or left untouched til the end of time if need be. Those cards were a part of the game's history. It's like vandalizing a historic monument with graffiti.

I love how Brain Controll is a worse version of Mind Controll, which doesnt see any competitive play... And Mind Controll is a worse version of Change of Heart, which barely sees any play... and yet they still felt the need to nerf Brain Controll.

Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End should be reverted. His effect isn't as devastating as it used to be.

Magic: The Gathering has started errata'ing card on their digital only formats ('Alchemy' on Magic: The Gathering Arena) and this has started causing A LOT of confusion since those cards in paper haven't actually been errata'd. So its possible that a digital card with the same name and art as a card in paper has a different effect. This has not been fun. Errata only makes things confusing

It costs litteraly no money to just keep the cards on the banlist rather than comming up with a reprint that ruins them and doesn't sell. Just why? I miss my bro Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon.

As a retro Yugioh enthusiast, it’s so hard to keep track of card erratas throughout the years.

Outside of adding a Once per Turn or Once per Duel when necessary, I don't think Errata should be used to change a card. For the most part, it's effectively a different card when the effect is changed, so you may as well just retrain it instead.

The ones that add HOPTs on stuff seems fine, Substitoad and Mind Master seem like they’d be absolutely fine existing like that. Rescue Cat is pretty fair, and I agree with you about only having the Once Per Duel eff on Disk Commander. The others though, jeez… CED, ROD, CCV, Sangan, Witch, Serpent, DMOC, even Future Fusion.. I’d be happier if they were still banned rather than ruin their legacy like you said. Great video mate :)

Really dislike errata's for a physical game; only creates confusion, specifically when it goes beyond clarification, and especially if it is changed significantly. Just create a separate banlist with permanent bans and print some weaker retrains

That's the thing about card erratas, Now they have to try and re sell you a legal copy of the card and we may not want to buy So just ban it instead, it's cheaper

Feel like small things just to make cards more specific to an archetype, like adding wind lock to terrortop would make the card easy to unban without causing issues and making speedroid a bit more consistent

I'd prefer that they print new cards that are balanced better instead of changing the official effects on old cards. It's annoying to keep track of nerfs like this in a paper-based format because the text on your old card isn't going to change even if it does officially.

The easiest erratas to do are stuff like Verte where it requires one/two predaplant monsters for its link summon.

One of the first sets I bought upon returning to collecting yugioh was Yugi’s Legendary Decks. It seriously irritated me that they printed literal POT OF GREED but also printed the errated version of Dark Magician of Chaos. I was looking forward to a DMOC reprint to play in legacy formats, as that’s the only time it’s ever useful, but the errated version is more confusing than helpful.

I think the best and most needed Errata was the one they gave Firewall Dragon. All they did was give it a hard OPT and limited it's special summoning effect to Cyberse type monsters. I think that's a good nerf.

This list didn’t even take into account the biggest murder of all time: Goyo Guardian

I would rather cards stay banned till the power creep passes them by, then get returned with they're original effect intact. If that isn't possible keepem banned.

I completely agree with you. What's the point of getting a card off the banlist if it's barely even the same card anymore, like with Crush Card Virus. Before Master Duel came along, I spent a lot of time playing Link Evolution, which implemented the Erratas along with the DLC/expansion. As a result, some of the AI decklists became a bit nonsensical. Like Trudge playing no Earth Tuners, so he can't summon Goyo Guardian, and the Torapart he used to use for that now being a dead card. It's one of the two biggest problems I have with that game.

The errata on CED is the worst and absolutely ruined its legacy. Still love the old version tho. It would be like the first piece displayed if you went to a historical competitive yugioh museum.

I think erratas that change one thing to fix a card is good. For example, Goyo Guardian being changed to require an EARTH tuner. I think any card that is banned because it lacks a once-per-turn could be errata'd as well. These two could happen to one card, and the errata would still be acceptable, see Firewall Dragon. I think re-trains should be used when an errata would affect more than that. The Pot series is a great example of this: Extravagance, Duality, Prosperity, and Desires all see play in different decks, but none are being played in all decks. Giving Pot of Greed an errata that would make it not be played in all decks would have to amount to something like one of the re-trains.

I think adding a HOPT on cards that are banned because they cause infinite loops without it is a thing that should be done, but I would stay away from other erratas. As you demonstrated, the power creep in YGO is such that some effects can end up fine after 4+ years. And I do think that the Ring of Destruction errata to make it not cause draws was mostly good too.

Thank you for uploading so many videos recently i love discussions like that!

I LOVED ring of destruction when I used to play. I ran a blue eyes, so you know where it was going. Also combed well with magic cylinder back then too.

Dark Magician of Chaos was another bad one, yeah sure its still playable to a degree, but i'd rather have it at one and have its original effect as opposed to what we were given Same with CED, that was waaaaaaay to far..

Great vid and I'm glade you did this topic

I think the "Pot of" series is the best example for why you should not do major erratas but instead do retrains.

IMO if the effect change to CED was "you can't activate cards or effects for the rest of the turn" it would have been enough.

Hey Paul, I've been thinking about something recently and I'd love to hear your thoughts. Nowadays it seems like every good combo deck is also simultaneously a control deck and OTK deck. I've been playing Master Duel and if you look at something like Adamancipator or Halqidon combo decks, they have big long combos but they end on a bunch of disruptions, negates, and stuff like Buster lock, so encroaching onto control decks' niche. Nowadays to be competitive it seems like control decks have to play oppressive floodgates like Mystic Mine or Skill Drain. They can also put up 8000 damage sometimes even easier than dedicated OTK decks like Crusadia, Numeron, or Cyber Dragon, especially thanks to cards like Accesscode Talker. What do you think about this? What should a good combo deck do in Yugioh these days while having its own niche and not being just a better and more consistent control/OTK deck?

Konami can (Hopium) use Master duel as a way to test erratas, as it updates and is not like players kept the older version of that card Verte, a big target to ban, could be saved with a simple "2 predap" as the link materials, same for Halq (2 monsters, including a tuner Crystron, summons a Crystron from deck and locks to machines like his brothers does, same for "Accel synchro, so no Wonder magician or Riser)

13:18 “Use it as a foolish for like 5 Dragons and you can see where that’s not okay” 😂😂😂 that had me laughing hahaha

Random related question: how do you feel about the idea of Errataing a card to *buff* it? Ive seen people ask for erratas for the Egyptian God Cards to give them more protection from card effects or so to try and make them live up to their supposed legacies and thatd be... Interesting?

an issue I have with Eratas is - there are "so many" nowadays - that I and my friends dont know them all anymore so if you play with old cards - you have to look up if the card still works the same way - or how its used now... sure thats not something that happens often AS NO ONE PLAYS ERATAED CARDS (since they are gutten and bad now) but still annoying for legacy play

Talks about Future Fusion, doesn't mention Chimeratech shenanigans.

I remember the early days of syncro. Sucked for water decks at first everyone had stardust and goyo guardian etc. but eventually I got deep sea diva, Atlanteans, and I ran brionic and abyss soldier. Could use say premature burial over and over again assuming you had the lp and cards to discard. Was so much fun. And brionic abyss soldier penguins, ced was great tech vs stardust dragon and other syncros

For cards that are way too strong I'd rather just see a retrain of some sort, though i think errata a card to make it slightly less powerful is fine, things like adding clauses to a cards use is fine so that the cards still has the same application in a deck but isn't just free advantage or whatever

They need to errata the tearlaments field spell, and it JUST came out!

CED went through like 5 Erratas the 2nd errata (The one that stated you could not conduct your battle phase the turn you activate this effect.) that got it limited in the OCG could have stayed as is, since it basically prevented the user from using the battle phase then CED for game or setup some kind of pseudo yata lock, which was the huge issue for the card.

Sangan and WotBF were errataed before coming to the TCG. In the original OCG they triggered when sent from hand to GY as well, so the principal OP deck in the OCG was exodia because of Graceful Charity and such

I want to see more reprints of all cards and more alternative win condition support. I also want them to print legacy effect/advanced format effect reprints of all the cards that have been errata (similar design to pendulum text boxes; Old top, New bottom.) And bring in a restricted list (duellinks limited system) to have alongside the TCG/OCG lists. Eg. restrict mystic mine to 2 and skill drain to 2 = 2 copies of any restricted 2 cards max. This would semi limit both cards from currently 3 but then you can only use a 1:1 combo or 2 of 1 of them.

Awesome vid learned alot today,thank you.

I remember back in the day, you could use Future Fusion to basically dump all Machine monsters in your deck, then Overload Fusion into a really chonky Chimeratech Overdragon.

this is a very interesting subject because I come from a mostly MTG background where erratas are by the most part not a thing we do have oracle text to clarify a poorly worded card or to make adjustments in case the rules of the game have altered in some way. But in MTG cards are most of the time kept even when they were misprinted such as Rancor, This card was supposed to be printed with a cost of (1)(G) but ended up getting printed as just (G) and has become one of the strongest cards for granting Trample to your creatures. They never plan to correct it because they don't like the idea of someone having a card that says something different on the card then what it does.

Giving disk commander the ability to draw the turn it was sent without the "once per duel", but only if special summoned with a HERO eff? But then I guess you could go xtra crusader + dpe and go +4. But you'd have to use it in full HEROes deck and trade the dpe revival for it.

I want to save errata for cards that are totally fine when it came to the original context of their use, but are broken specifically because of something new, and it's something that can be easily accountable, like maybe stuff like level eater locking you into synchro for the turn or straight up not being able to be used as link material

I get doing it to core cards like firewall dragon cuz they kinda can't leave an anime monster in the banlist but I still agree that we should just wait till the rest of the game catches up in power.

Ryko (lightsworn doggo) is the weirdest errata imho. At first he didn't target, and then they changed it so that he did, and then they changed it so that the effects don't apply in sequence, and then went back on that and made the effects resolve in order.

I loved the problem solving card text errata wave. I found those super helpful. I am fine with erratas to a card's name, for example cipher soldier. Of course I am also fine with erratas for misspellings or those awkward times they gave a card the wrong attribute, type, etc. I like the idea of trying to find a way to get cards off the ban list but I dont think erratas are the way to do it. I dont mind them making changes for the game overall in erratas. For example, they tried their best to stop ties from occurring. I would be ok with a ring of destruction that hit you with the damage first to ensure a tie didnt happen. All the other text should have stayed the same in my opinion though. I am always scared konomi will look at a card with a soft once per turn and decide its too OP and slap a hard once per turn on it to fix it. I feel they destroy the card by doing that. RIP Red eyes darkness metal dragon. (Did that errata ever make it to the TCG or is that still OCG only?)

I’m not really a fan of some erratas more particularly the Crush card errata and hope the next core set has a retrain of Saggi the Dark as support for the virus cards, maybe a new virus card, and monster version of Critias that can fusion summon by revealing a fusion that mentions The Fang of Critias and send the trap that is mentioned from the hand or deck to the GY along with this card and special summon the fusion monster. I’m also not a fan of some cards that had they’re effects changed or nerfed than what they were in the anime like for example Graverobber which would have been fine with it’s anime effect along with the 2000 life point cost and they could’ve added if it is used to summon one of your opponent’s monsters it effects are negated.

Two quick things 1 you can still ring for lethal if their life points equals the monsters attack (and via chaining more burn) this sometimes comes up with nurse burn. Secondly you forgot the original errata they did to our searching duo.... you didn't originally need them on the field. The entire gimmick of their fusion was Sangan+Witch+ Poly = two searches and an okay creature.

It's like the trope of the free spirited kid become the corporation lol

The card I think of most when I think of Errata is Exchange of Spirits / Reversal of Graves. It just made me feel icky to read it when I got back into the game after a long break.

To me I’m on retrain side as well. I think for erratas if they are adding once per turn/duel makes sense. But when you have to super alter the effect you get then yeah just leave card alone and if anything just have a perma ban on it and release a retrain/spiritual successor instead.

In regards to your question at end of video I think Errata's are fine as long as they balance the card to address the problem with the card but not to the point where we get CED or necrovalley who go through 5+ Erratas and subsequently become a brand new card because of all the changes. Necrovalley use to negate effects that activated in the gy or target cards in the gy. Now its a omninegate to anything that interacts with the GY.

Ultimate Offering's errata broke the card as pre-errata it had a nice little clause that both players may activate the effect. But that was subsequently removed, I still have my copy that says both players may use the effect and when i play traditional at the local card shop we now have people call it fake but i point out the Card ID (SDY-050) putting it in the original starter deck (which i had both) and they are surprised that the errata removed the effect. (I've been playing the game for too long)

The funny part is for macki, is that temple.of the kings still works fully. just set and flip

I play change of heart in my going second strats. Brain control can be a decent tech choice vs Floowandereeze though

I like this type of video, keep up the good work

I would love to see a lot of cards like frogs erata with just ones/hard ones per turn conditions.

There's been maybe two good erratas in history; Rescue Cat and Firewall Dragon. Everything else has been unnecessary

What really tickles me about this specific wave of errata was that for YEARS, if not DECADES, Konami was more than okay with letting things be on the banlist and some of the cards got occasionally recreated by retrains and such. But for some reasons, they decided to "clean up" the banlist, but these nerfs either created such useless cards that barely resemble their original counterparts (CED) or they still got back to the banlist (Imperial Order). Not just that, but if this was their purpose, the amount of stuff they did was ridiculously low. It was obviously an experiment, but a failed one and we still have to deal with the consequences. This even contradicts their own legacy support in the sense that they decided to bring in Time Wizard, but how are we supposed to play those legacy formats when the errata'd versions are more accessible and the originals aren't? This isn't an issue with YGO only, though. Card game companies really got tempted by this due to Hearthstone, without realizing that it worked there because that's a DIGITAL platform where the collection is updated immediately when the designers change something. Not just that, but those card pools are much, much smaller even after years compared to a TCG where they nowadays release so many stuff that they add in a year more cards than the whole pool of a digital card game. But here we are, and we have to deal with the consequences, in one way or another.

For imperial order you could change it to negate the 1st spell card or effect that is activated each turn. That would completely kill it though

You can use selene and blue dragon summoner to search exodia and summon another selene using selene blue dragon summoner and another. Then when you run out attach sangan to dark strike using union carrier and tribute dark strike and do e exodia

i used to to Cyber End Dragon, Ring of Destruction, Power Bond OTKs in playground duels all the time :P

About Ring of Destruction: wording it so that it avoids draws is great; but changing it so that you can't finish your opponent with it is bad. Just because of that it's not even a 3-of in chain burn decks, which says a lot.

I completely agree with your take on cards like Chaos Emperor Dragon that were so era-defining. Nerfing CED and Crush Card feels bad because of how iconic they are. However, cards like Future Fusion feel less bad being changed. I used Future Fusion in Dragunities for a while and oh boy was that epic hahaha. That said, it would have been easy to retrain the banned cards and be almost exactly the same + a drawback

Here’s a good one , what do you do with master peace so I can come off the ban list

I remember activating Ring of Destruction and then flipping Pikeru's Circle of Enchantment and feeling like a GOD. I guess thise feelings will be trapped in the early to mid 2000s forever. 😔

It’s so weird that state based actions are check on ring in the middle of it resolving.

I'm fine with erratas so long as the change keeps it in line with what was intended. Firewall Dragon is a prime example. Dragon Ball Super had some punctuation erratas, most notably Death Ball, then you have Ultimate Dark Dragon-Slaying Bullet which used to be used in response to Battle Cards instead of the intended Unison Cards and lead to a guaranteed shut down of a turn. There are definitely baffling erratas in that it doesn't follow any sensible game direction.

old future fusion was creeping into custom card territory

Maybe they can undo some of these erratas or buff some older cards to make them better. Also a bit of a tangent but I can't wrap my head around the fact that Change of Heart barely sees play, especially when Link monsters can use just about anything as a Material.

Honestly I hate it. I've been away from yugioh for a long time and I'm starting to pick up some of my favorites that used to be banned, limited or semi-limited, only to find out the card no longer does what the card says it does. Which sucks because stores like tcgplayer give no indication of this so now I gotta look things up just to be safe, including all newer cards because I've been gone since 2013. What a pain.

I think many of the cards can come off the ban list if they added a hard once per turn on them as an errata.

Many banned cards could have a Hard Once Per Turn effect and they could come immediately off the banlist without issue: Mass Driver, Premature Burial, Card of Safe Return, Butterfly Dagger Elma, Smoke Grenade, etc come to mind. And the only 2 cards that could see competitive play is Premature Burial (because you can search it reliably) and Card of Safe Return (just because it could set up an inherent +1 easily, but wouldn't survive past 1 turn).

So can you play other cards before you activate CEDs effect, or if you do you cannot use the effect until next turn?

Theoretically you can finish off your opponent with Ring of Destruction even if there monster would be too strong. The ATK and LP comparison is only done at the activation, not at the resolution, so if your opponent has lower LP during a chain it is in before Ring of Destruction would resolve, it still works.

Meanwhile Necrovalley to the other Erratas: "First Time Huh?" :)

When I was a kid, I didn't know cards got updated texts, and my friend and I would use the same card but it would have different texts. Was very confusing to young me.

I'm somewhere in between on this. Rescue Cat was a good errata, while CED, Ring and Crush Card can get their original effects and they still wouldn't be good because of power creep.

Idk if you're gonna talk about this in the video because I'm not at the end of the video yet but I'm still mad about Brain Control getting an errata just for them to bring Change of Heart off of the banlist

I feel like dimension fusion can use a errata if it ever came off where it’s a hard once per duel but idk 🤷🏻‍♂️

Just for the sake of not running into problems that would come with people having the original and not knowing (or counting on the other player not knowing) about the errata, I'd say doing things like the various Pot cards where there's just a brand new card that sort of spin-offs the original. Like they didn't Errata Celtic Guardian or Gaia the Fierce Knight when they made the Obnoxious and Swift Effect card versions, they're just their own monsters. Erratas to fix typos or clarify confusing terminology on effects is fine, but straight up changing an effect is just begging for trouble situations that easily could have just had workarounds.

When I came back to the game in 2019 I added Future Fusion to my deck because I quit before erratas were a thing so I didn't bother checking for them. I also got DQed my first match because I went first and I drew a card.... oops. But damn did it suck finding out that they changed Future Fusion.

The main problem i have with errata's i have is cards go from from not being playable due the banlist to not being playable beceause they are useless now so what did they actually achieve

FIRE WALL DRAGON is one that got dupped down after his errata

I feel Konami should be willing to errata weak cards like battlin boxer : headgear, switch hitter and sparer. To where headgear and switch hitter can use the effects on any summon and is a hard once per turn. Sparer's special summon can be limited to where you can only special summon one of them a turn and you can get your battle phase the turn you do

Dark strike fighter needed the Eratta, but they got a bit overboard

I wanted Exchange of The Spirit on this list. I once decked out a 500 card deck using the pre-errata version.

Crush card virus that was one of my favorite Traps and I can't stand how they messed the card up

Duel Links burn errata has made cards that nobody would even play competitively worse! Lava Golem could have just been put to Limit 1 along with other stall/burn related cards while keeping the 1000 burn damage in check.

Yup. Chaos Emperor Dragon, Ring of Destruction, and Crush Card Virus are the biggest L’s of this misfortune. Honorable mentions: Sangan, Witch of the Black Forest, and Soul Rope R.I.P. to all of these guys. Any time I play YGO I play with what’s on the card, not with the new rulings.

I can kinda see why they had to errata Ring of Destruction. As it was originally it could kind of function like a harder to use Self Destruct Button, and forcing draws like that can be used in a degenerate way in tournaments to essentially force a draw on your next duel if you ever lose one so you can never actually "lose" a full match. I guess even as it is now you could use it in a SelFTK strategy to farm gems in Master Duel but it hasn't been done enough for them to really care.

dark magician of chaos technically got a little buff tho. before it was a when, now its a if effect

Major Valid Points. On the same note; for a few Anime effects, I do wish Cyberdarks could equip Lv 4 or lower dragons/machines instead of lv3. Luckily we have Cyberdark Invasion, but it's not quite as exciting. Still hoping Cyberdarks get enough support and more versions of Cyberdarks to be able to play even without Cyber Dragon engine. Horn, Edge, and Keel definitely need retrained versions or new cards that speed up their gameplay. The search and destroy aspect doesn't float well. And the Cyberdarks definitely have potential. Potential only goes so far without the right pieces. I'm actually glad a few cards have been errata'd to fit updated versions of themselves, but I understand the identity of the card and card effect.