Guerin had to buy them out because of the expansion draft. Both Suter and Parise had no move clauses so the Wild were forced to protect them. So take the cap hit now to ensure you don't lose a good player of the future.

Mad respect to Guerin for this move. Very gutsy but he knows it can only get worse by hanging on.

Is the cap hit from the buyout only one season or is spread out to all years that would have been remaining on the contract?

@@cjsawinski spread out. It's also important to know that if either retired before the contracts ended the Wild would have paid a salary recapture penalty

@@cjsawinski it actually spreads out for twice the length but for half the amount per year. It’s more complicated than what I described but this is close enough.

Suter was an Elite defender

@@rv2167 True, way too much expectation and pressure for both, unfortunately, Z had it all in NJ with Lou, they say never go home after leaving for good

7 goals in 45 games ain't gonna cut it, especially not at 6 million/year.

Suter was elite in Nashville and people just didn’t pay enough attention because Nashville got even less coverage at the time (plus the fact that Canadian hockey media barely covers the US teams especially the Southern teams)

@@JHockeyFan that's not true. Canadian hockey commentators have always ranked Suter as one of the top 15 defenders in the league with the exception of the last year or 2.

They did get a lot better but cup contenders is a stretch

Parise is awful on D and now is an expensive boat anchor. He's worse than abdelkader

He looks so happy.

You sir win KZfaq today 👍🥓

For real hahhaha

Naa is right the Blackhawks and the Kings was just too Good😞

@@celinedelgado243 the Wild were never contenders. The highest they finished was 2nd place in central , every other year they were wild card team .

Exactly

Yes, it’s sad the wild haven’t won a cup yet.

@@pagodad2036 The Wild have always been a Cash Cow, they will never be a contender.

they had to get rid of so many prospects to clear up cap space that are currently super stars what a huge L

I laughed at that too.

Class act? He’s got many millions of reasons to shut up at the end of the day he sucked simple as that or they woulda kept em

@@welderman5844 Lots of people with more money than him lack class.

@@welderman5844 he doesn't suck lmao if you use him right hes a top 6 forward

@@welderman5844 Suck. He tied for team lead in playoffs for points in 3 less games.

@@OddyNuffie How is a third and fourth liner a top six forward? Over paid for his value. And lets not get into Suter not willing to check any one. Both were diva's that ate to much of the Wilds assets. This is exactly what happens to players that think they are everything and provided under valued performance. Fletcher made one bad decision after another and this one put a cherry on top of them all.

The new America people are paid more not to work anymore.

Yeah for the next 8 years, and they're free to resign wherever they want and make more money. Not a bad deal really

Only democratic states. 🤷‍♂️

@@tito_662 You mean "marxist" states.

@@The_OneManCrowd whatever floats your boat

They both had career lows…but would be neat to see

Idk Zach was willing to go to Long Island at the 20 deadline but Lou ran out of time for a deal

You don't want or need them. Are you crazy?

@@TL-ki2rz If McDonagh is exposed and taken by Seattle in the expansion draft, Tampa will make a big push for Suter, an experienced left shot D.

@@jakehunzi Lou was an absolute huge fan of Zach when he was with the devils, I could 100% see Lou reaching out to pry Parise to the islanders as a depth forward on a 1 yr 1mill type deal for another crack at a cup run.

Really seems like your favorite player when you can't even spell his name right lol

Zach*

What memories exactly? Not being a dick, seriously, what memories?

@@travzimmerman1340 memories of watching him play on t.v, or maybe at games

You probably enjoyed watching them because Toews, Hossa, Kane, Sharp, Saad, Keith, and Seabrook would absolutely school them, especially Suter. Plus they rarely could score on Crawford.

Still will hurt them till the contracts r done

Nope . Furthest they went was game 6 of 2nd round Manny and Dwayne Roloston

The cap hits during years 2-4 of the buyouts are freaking eye watering.

@@eriklakeland3857 i honestly thought they were typos at first

I feel like a lot of people were agreeing with you, people might've been "gushing" just because of the surprise they both went to the same team

All teams pay the piper. Copy cat league even with these long term 'brain cramp' signings. Look at our HABS with both Price & Weber - from now on it is diminishing returns

They should have just kept them. Minnesota signed them to a 13 year contract like dummies so you might as well let it play out. Parise & Suter are good players but are not worthy of 13 years contracts.

This is why the max became 8 years litterly right after these contracts were signed.

Whats the plan cuz it looks like the plan is to tank for the next 4 years? How can they ice a decent team with 12-14 million in dead cap space for 3 years?

@@justawinddown don't ice it til the playoffs haha

14.7 mil dead cap for 2 years! If they don't increase the cap before then they are fuct!

@@JaxenB it’s either that or suffer with Zach and Ryan for 4 more years. Wild did the right thing.

@@dakotarossow7478 Correct. The Wild were stuck with the cap either way as these were untradeable players. Novice fans don't seem to realize that.

Parise the type of player to only play for money

@@Heaveaway23 They all play for money... millions

To the exception of Crosby and ovi

I agree..... teams need to be protected.....

They should definitely be allowed. It's the gms that are dumb.

@@thechef. Crosby wants to get paid less so there’s more cap space to work with. Plus he gets way more from endorsements

Probably because he knows alot of fans wanted him out anyways. Even the die hard Sioux faithful like myself!

He's smiling because he only had $10M left on his contract and his last 3 years he was only getting paid $4M. With this buy out, he'll get $6.7M over the next 8 years and he'll now sign with another team and make a few more million. End result is instead of banking the remaining $10M of his contract, he could add another $5M to 10M more into his bank account.

Yes sir...LGR!

Devil’s fan, and completely agree. They need a leader and their 2012 cup run wt him as captain was the last year the devils were good. Also want him in jersey for the nostalgia growing up watching him.

Fax. He deserves it all and is doing well now. Sick to see Parise with the hat

Guerin has maintained since before the Wild season came to a stop that he hasn't and likely won't have to ask players to waive their NMCs.

If you don't want players that can refuse trades don't give out mnc contracts. Expecting people to do something that they contractually don't have to, that isn't in their best interests is dumb.

@@scooterthefrog Sure. But that's Fletcher's fault, not Guerin's.

Um he didn't even ask them to waive their no movement clauses..

The Sharks have multiple people with no trade type contracts another reason why BOZO the GM-> Our GM should be fired.

Mike Babcock's son went to Detroit CC. A solid school choice.

We would have 2 more cups if they both came 9 years ago

If you’re implying the Wings should throw money at either of them...no. We cannot afford to pull a Ken Holland and sign aging players when we’re trying to rebuild.

Capitals do really dumb sh*t too. Niskanen and Orpik were really good pickups but how many have been stupid? I can think of one right now which was the Anthony Mantha trade to Detroit. We have Vrana a 1 & 2 round picks for a guy that was just ok. Vrana was producing and we gave the guy away for basically nothing.

Horrible contracts I personally don't like going past 5yrs I think those 2 signed for like 12yrs which is crazy!!!!!

Hey, we can't all be superstars like Mike Hanzal scoring a hat trick every game and winning non-stop cup championships.

What do you expect, them to carry a shit team to the cup? Suter and parise were both good players, but the wild have been dead since 2009. I'm sick of people blaming losses on the 2 guys who ever gave the wild any spark of hope

@@howardsharpe2104 So blame 2nd and 3rd liners and place no blame on two players paid 100M? Fool!

@@travzimmerman1340 It’s a team of 20 players. 2 guys don’t win a cup. Are you blaming Parise for this years 1st round loss even though he only played in 4 of 7 games and tied for the lead in points. A lot of blame can be handed out. How about the lack of drafting. 9 yrs and not a top line center. No other elite players drafted as forwards. The organization is to blame for not drafting better players to build a SC team.

@@toddstarrett3846 It's actually a 23 man roster. When two players are paid $100M each there's a higher expectation for them to lead and produce. To elevate their team-mates. Zuch and Ryan couldn't do that because they were NOT elite, but were paid as such!!! You really can't blame drafting when you get bounced in the 1st rd of the playoffs constantly because you get shit draft positions outside top 5. It's not the NFL, many 1st rd NHL picks never step on NHL ice. You blame not having a legit 1C well how can you sign an elite 1C when have garbage contracts (like Zach & Ryan) taking up so much cap? You can only blame the supporting cast for so long but keep in mind the supporting casted changed a lot but the results were always the same. In MN *Parise $98M highest points 62 *Granny $15M highest points 69 *Zucker $26M highest points 64 *Nino $27M highest points 57 *Coyle $16M highest points 56 Yeah, let's blame supporting cast 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It is Universal

@@sloburnjo Sure but ours still has the job and our owner wont fire him when he is terrible with contracts. Overpaying players and giving them some form of a no trade clause just hurts your own team and it is rarely is worth it. At the end of the day this is our owners fault for not firing him.

Same here in Van with Longshot Louis

I would trade our GM and a 5th round draft pick for a used jock strap from any other NHL team. I am 100% serious.

Sharks just suck lmao. Plus you have that embarrassment of a joke Kane. Well, prob not anymore lmao

Connor Bedard hell yeah...

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Listening to him here, I think Zach agrees with your assessment.

@@dw4867 he could play a bottom 6 or if that doesn't fit his play style he could easily be a healthy scratch for any top 6 injuries on an elite team and do well enough to be worth a cheap contract

@@jonathanjohnson6487 maybe, but that's only if he wants to or thinks he can, and from the way he was talking here, he's at the very least unsure of those things at the moment.

Shaft? Multi millionaires playing sports 🤣

Typical Mild...maybe the Ownership would learn to play chess and learn something about strategy. This was a bone head move that will put the Wild back at least 4 years. No playoffs. How will this move entice Krill to stay if we are losing more?

Get the shaft? They were paid 88M and accomplished nothing!!! They shafted MN!!!

@@dnizzle18 You think Parise and Suter were responsible for getting MN to the playoffs last year? 😂😂😂😂 Plus, they missed the playoffs the two seasons prior. Plus, making the playoffs is not an accomplishment as over HALF the league makes playoffs. smh

@@travzimmerman1340 That's part of the problem. 2 people don't win championships.

Like the Vancouver Canucks...

Odds are the Jim Benning era for thee Vancouver Canucks will trade the Leafs for Hyman...senile old fart lol.

For the record, the CBA changed AFTER these contracts were signed. Under current CBA rules they couldn’t make these contracts… and if the team knew that new recapture penalties would be introduced after signing them they most definitely would not have signed these two for those contracts. So as a wild fan I’m kinda ticked that new rules got invented after these contracts were signed, that essentially would have folded the team … until they modified the recapture penalties to limit it to an annual high dollar value per year. So to summarize…. The wild signed parise/Suter to legal front loaded contracts which did not have any recapture penalties if the players retired. The league then invented new rules which bring on this cap hell and retroactive apply those rules to the wild. Tampa was 17 million over the cap this year…. The league should invent new rules to prevent this, and basically charge Tampa a 17 mill cap recapture hit next season.

Suter with weber on the Pk

He dont want to go to canada

"Montreal would take Suter for 1M a year.: Yeah no shit, so would every team.

not a chance..... defense is not a problem for the Habs.....

But your core are cup contenders " said no one "

I like Winnipeg but to get swept by Montreal was embarrassing. I thought that series was going to be a fight.

@@jamescash887 that series was over before jake evans was strechered off the ice

The only problem is then you have to live in Winnipeg.

suter is a terrible playoff defenseman....

That’s the semi rumor that’s been circulating for years. There are a couple of examples indicating as much, and with all the moves Bg and Fenton made, it seems to be true.

Vegas got handled by a team for the Canadian division...

@@ggqbc You mean the Kings of the North.. Come on now, call them for what they are lol.

@@deansydora7384 lol i despise the knights

@@ggqbc 3 final 4's in the first 4 years. Everyone wants to be like the VGK.

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to get them to come to minnesota..... I'm not sure they would have come if they were offered 5 year contracts......

Parise and Suter were 27yo when they signed those contracts. That’s the youngest you can become an RFA. Facts are fun.

@@dpendsonwhat2441 You are mistaken on your "facts". Firstly, I think you mean UFA, and secondly, you don't have to be 27. A player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent (UFA) if their current contract ends after EITHER 7 Accrued Seasons OR they are 27 or older as of June 30.

@@DizzLexic holy crap , you are really into the money side of hockey , why??

@@MegaSmarterthanyou I'm really not that into it. I just have a good memory and when I see incorrect information, I correct it before others start repeating the same incorrect infomation.

when suter went over the coach head to the owner, yeah he needed to be gone

lol dump trucks to ur posts lol...

lol greedy guys... see their list of properties etc...

That means he was a top 4 on the wild

Yeah but we are probably going to keep Fiala, Kaprizov and maybe get eichel

@@bbaker2564 if we get eichel im sure fiala will be a part of that deal

Coyle hates them with a passion.

@@travzimmerman1340 Coyle is not the only one.......

We won't be able to hold Krill...GM will shit the bed with his contract too. Plus we wont have the proper $ to entice him. Wild are literally screwed here.

Cause nobody in lockeroom liked them. Plus gave us the ability to get people like klingberg fleury etc also gives room for our ranked number 1 prospect across the league to develop under right conditions. Also their old and bad so getting rid of them was plus. Also after 2026 when we’re jus riding this out they’re over we didn’t have to suffer with them that long just look at them now.