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Zain's slippery set-ending stock vs. n0ne, explained
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3 жыл бұрынWeek 2 of the Slippi Champions League brought us some exciting Melee, but nothing could hold a candle to watching Zain on ice in his last stock versus n0ne. In this episode of Frame Data, we break down how it happened.
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♫ Music ♫
Hugger Mugger - Where You At
SHIKIMO - Zodiac
A.L.I.S.O.N - Limbo
HOME - Head First
Catherine OST - Lost
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#SCL #FrameData #Zain #n0ne
@asdffjsdjasd 3 жыл бұрын
The crazy thing is that Zain did this using his secondary. Imagine if he had gone Roy.
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think the world is ready for that level of domination
@emmbeesea 3 жыл бұрын
If M2K's Marth is a thing of beauty, Zain's Marth is _Italian hand lip pucker_ ah, fantastico.
@yobobby9 3 жыл бұрын
M2k's marth is cheese, imo.
@yurix766 3 жыл бұрын
Who ever said M2K's Marth was a thing of beauty?? In the world of Melee you're either cool or M2K's Marth.
@ariesomega2487 3 жыл бұрын
@@yobobby9 well thats m2k in a nutshell
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
*chefs kiss intensifies*
@cubicalprobably 3 жыл бұрын
@@yurix766 Dumbest comment I've seen in a long time
@memedumpster3684 3 жыл бұрын
I like how this frame-by-frame analysis not only exposes the nuance of Melee's fast paced tech, but also emphasizes n0ne's visible frustration/confusion at Zain's insane mixup choices lol
@ethur10n 3 жыл бұрын
frustration?
@404Dannyboy 3 жыл бұрын
@@ethur10n Frustration doesn't just mean the anger or sadness. It is those sets of emotions resulting from having your efforts nullified or a problem remain unsolved. Playing against Zain looks like it would be frustrating to anyone.
@jjrambles683 3 жыл бұрын
Yo somebody commented on the KZfaq vid weeks ago that this stock needed a Turn Down for Walt analysis
@DesTr069 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible foreshadowing right there by that guy
@Pope_Stormdrain 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was me lmao
@BacchusGames 3 жыл бұрын
I sent that comment to him lmao
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Ask and ye shall receive
@benjoby057 3 жыл бұрын
Knock, and it shall be opened unto you. D&C 4:7
@thaddeuswhelan8186 3 жыл бұрын
Good lord turndownforwalt has become the premier Melee KZfaqr. Quality edits, music, and analysis. Great work dude!
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@wittyjester 3 жыл бұрын
"It's all Walt, now?" *cocks gun* "Always has been."
@kilianbernardeau6595 3 жыл бұрын
Heyyy don't do my man AsumSaums dirty like that... I'd say they can share the top, to each their own style and niche !
@Forgemaster111 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man, these are sick. As someone who doesn’t play it really helps me understand what’s going on. Keep it up!
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that. Thanks for the comment!
@bizarre_razor 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, love the music choices. Love to hear Limbo and Head First on such a quality breakdown of Zain's insane run
@A-Spoto 3 жыл бұрын
I love this series, seeing just how the mechanics of the game pull everything together is so interesting!
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
@gomjabbar6246 3 жыл бұрын
The scariest thing about the ending edge guard is that zain does pc walk off into reverse forward air with some regularity...
@justindbutler87 3 жыл бұрын
It's actually such a nasty edgeguard. If you try to come back with an aggressive early recovery you're getting hit out even further. And Zain pushes so far out you've burned some of your vertical making recovery particularly hard.
@Bleeper852 3 жыл бұрын
Zain and none both great competitors. I’m always hype to watch their sets because of how dangerous their movements are. Great video as always! Thank you for all the work.
@kristiankelloway127 3 жыл бұрын
In more way than one, Zain looks like he's been in a cave grinding Melee for the past 48 years
@Kmart3535 3 жыл бұрын
Zain represents everything I love about Marth
@embo_z 3 жыл бұрын
we love to see the turndownforwalt uploads
@yeasstt 3 жыл бұрын
Who is turndownforwaIt
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
We love to see these comments!
@syedbilalmir6945 3 жыл бұрын
Thank god no nut november hasn't started yet.
@tinibari456 3 жыл бұрын
Melee is really fun to watch these days. Mang0, Zain, and n0ne all hovering near the top. That's good stuff.
@kunlea7578 3 жыл бұрын
Slippery is definitely a good word to describe Zain's play
@thesuntitan 3 жыл бұрын
That double waveland was so menacing, reminded me of Ice
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
MENACINGLY!!
@kunlea7578 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm definitely excited for more SCL
@sliceofpi2768 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible as usual Walt. Keep up the great work!
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks homie!
@Runningwritingreading 3 жыл бұрын
The descriptions of options make Melee seem almost Turn-Base-RPG... amazing
@braxaculee 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact this series has single handedly improved my playing and awareness
@ciivil 3 жыл бұрын
Zain's a future GOAT if he keeps going at this rate. Not a far away future, either.
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people are putting him at #1 right now!
@gehteuchnichtsan7911 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the details of all animations of melee in slo motion. No wonder melee feels so good to play and to watch. It's the game with the best gameplay ever.
@sk_555 3 жыл бұрын
More Frame Data!
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
We’ll see what the SCL and other online events bring!
@FunKa89 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you this was so freaking insightful, i'm a huge fan of your content, please keep it going !
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Happy to hear that! Thank you!
@estevaosouzones3474 3 жыл бұрын
And again a high quality video,uh boy this channel is one of the best
@estevaosouzones3474 3 жыл бұрын
Btw hello from brazil :)
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@wyattcharron1753 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual.
@magmivire 3 жыл бұрын
If you're open to suggestions I think when you talk about how crazy some mixups are, it might be good to say 1 or 2 more expected options in the situation, to put it in perspective. Great video!
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion!
@myboy_ 3 жыл бұрын
Watched this set and immediately knew Walt would break it down
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
It was too good not to!
@mega_manoy17 3 жыл бұрын
The image in the tumbnail was blurrey so I thought it was osrs footge!
@edgarmayorga8048 3 жыл бұрын
adding Home made this video hella top tier (it would have been top tier anyways, I just really like that song)
@marcoingrassia7995 3 жыл бұрын
Ayo let’s go Walt upload
@MA-ym8pl 3 жыл бұрын
amazing vid!
@chanegun 3 жыл бұрын
Zain is OILED UP AND READY TO WRESTLE
@haydens4449 3 жыл бұрын
Yaaasss the content i’m waiting for
@RabanoDoom 3 жыл бұрын
Even the URL thinks this is pog
@charlesw7397 3 жыл бұрын
God I used to hate Zain because he always destroys my boy Sfat but it's impossible to hate him now. He's insane and is who I watch when I'm working on my Marth. I was really hoping CLG would have sponsored him but Golden Guardians seems like a good place too. It's exciting to see how far he's come in the past couple years. I know the age of the God's is pretty much over but he would definitely become one if he continues on this path
@MageKirby 3 жыл бұрын
Melee is so fucking sick.
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
This guy gets it
@spookyshark632 3 жыл бұрын
Melee is sick
@noirlavender6409 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing like always, sads to see our boi N0ne getting bodied, but amazing video as usual
@gerudokupo2225 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting to think about - none was almost guaranteed to tech that shield breaker because he was fast falling L-canceling the upair attempt.
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense!
@jacktreppin 3 жыл бұрын
wake up babe, new turndownforwalt video
@robbiestrong-morse730 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the crossover Hey all, Walt here
@BiscuitDeluxe 3 жыл бұрын
Zain looks like santa claus
@Reminiscable 3 жыл бұрын
My God Zain.
@jfp521 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, i am sub as well and don't want to be this guy, but i feel the need to point out that there was some strange/miss wording about falcons weight independent upthrow, you stated that "the number of frames the VICTIM has before becoming actionable is the same across the entire cast" implying that the marth (Zain) being thrown in the video is the one affected by it, when it is actually the falcon doing the throw (n0ne) who gets to act out of his throw at the exact same timing regardless of the weight of the character he throws as most other throw timings are affected by character weight.
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Yep! That was just an error in my script -- I meant to say, "the number of frames the _thrower_ has before becoming actionable." Sorry about that!
@jfp521 3 жыл бұрын
@@turndownforwalt i figured, i've watched a ton of your videos and you are clearly very knowledgable about melee. I just wanted to point out potential misinformation without coming across like a prick
@perriwinkleiii5361 3 жыл бұрын
Zain is so sick
@Fface800 3 жыл бұрын
He just got bonded
@Fritzyboo 3 жыл бұрын
As usual, I pressed like before pressing play
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a bold move Cotton
@timnoskill 3 жыл бұрын
@@turndownforwalt is it tho? we already know we're getting great content :)
@KentAustinHenry 3 жыл бұрын
Melee is sick!
@CharlesLeak 3 жыл бұрын
Don't worry Walt, that one dislike is n0ne.
@tutata 3 жыл бұрын
Ken vs Isai History repeats itself
@dylanh.3793 3 жыл бұрын
What is that intro song? I hear it all the time.
@Gamesforus1 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the back hit of down-air would have hit n0ne at the end after the PC drop fair
@jeremyying3602 Жыл бұрын
Is that a NIL at 7:47?
@illustrious-jaco 3 жыл бұрын
great videos man. im curious do you recreate the matches in a TAS to get those angles?
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Just debug mode!
@simongotborg3866 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know where I can find the full match?
@moleflair 3 жыл бұрын
Zain will be the greatest of all time
@beanomania485 3 жыл бұрын
You'd think it would be hard to lose against no one...
@Pslamist 3 жыл бұрын
HA
@mysteryguyiscool5054 3 жыл бұрын
After this review I understood why top 10 players are top 10 players
@sonofsamson 3 жыл бұрын
What day/time is SCL live every week?
@sdw-hv5ko 3 жыл бұрын
It was on Sundays for the first 3 weeks but it's gonna be on Saturday this week. This is the last week but Smash Summit Online is happening next week, which I assume will be going on all weekend
@supermence 3 жыл бұрын
Does this pummel thing apply to all games?
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not as familiar with the other games so I can’t say for sure, but I would assume not!
@hgt_sr7034 3 жыл бұрын
Melee
@Pslamist 3 жыл бұрын
*waits to watch video before commenting*
@Radarssbm 3 жыл бұрын
nice
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
nice
@randomtroll7374 3 жыл бұрын
Likes and comments before watching video.
@itsyaboi1245 3 жыл бұрын
Hubris
@Pocket_Jake 3 жыл бұрын
this video is about to blow up; mark my words (3,488 views at the time of this comment)
@benport466 3 жыл бұрын
Its stuff like this that makes me not want to grind out melee. I will never in my life achieve that level of technical skill and thinking. Especially now since all the pro players have been grinding non stop since slippi and now they're on a whole new level.
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t let this deter you from the game! Melee is still sick!
@Justpassingby204 3 жыл бұрын
Even though Zain his bair, the positional coverage is still respectable
@Pope_Stormdrain 3 жыл бұрын
Yooooooooo
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
YOOOOO
@TsaDude 3 жыл бұрын
Last
@TheUchihasparky 3 жыл бұрын
Marth is the reason I quit melee. If the Marth plays safe, they win. Not discrediting Zain here, just saying Marth is dumb and the only reason I quit melee
@1totalpwn 3 жыл бұрын
But Zain is not playing safe? What? Just look at the characters who qualified for summit. 6 foxes. 4 falcons. 3 sheiks. 2 falcos. 2 Marth. Marth is the third most played character on melee online discord and the slippi uploading website. Why are there not more Marth's if he is popular and good?
@TheUchihasparky 3 жыл бұрын
@@1totalpwn bayonetta was the best unarguably in smash 4 yet only few bayo players
@TheUchihasparky 3 жыл бұрын
@@1totalpwn also everything marth does is safe, except smash attacks
@1totalpwn 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheUchihasparky You sound like you do not know much about the game. Marth's moves are out for 4 to 5 frames. Some of the lowest in the game. They are also all CCable. It is very obvious marth is not broken by looking at the top 100. The last sm4sh pr has 5 bayonettas in the top 25. There are 3 marths in Melee top 25 if you count m2k from the last PR
@TheUchihasparky 3 жыл бұрын
@@1totalpwn played the game since 2012, you sound like you dont know much about the game. ALL of marths moves ARE NOT CCable. With your logic puff is worse then falcon cause only hbox wins with puff. Continue playing, every top player realizes at some point this game doesn't reward skill. It is a pointless grind and it will die
@notyou6674 3 жыл бұрын
im gonna be honest frame data is easily my least favourite of your videos i love everything else but i dont like these
@A-Spoto 3 жыл бұрын
That's a fair opinion to have, but you know you don't need to watch these videos and you can leave them for the rest of us who enjoy them.
@notyou6674 3 жыл бұрын
@@A-Spoto im sorry for completely ruining the enjoyment of everyone who likes these videos and somehow preventing people from watching them.. what? im leaving how i feel, just like you left how you feel under my comment.
@qr138 3 жыл бұрын
@@notyou6674 but their comment had a point, whereas yours was pointless and negative without even stating why you feel that way. Cheers.
@notyou6674 3 жыл бұрын
@@qr138 i just dont like it, feedback is feedback. i mean whats your point?
@crooker23 3 жыл бұрын
@@notyou6674 i just dont like it is useless feedback. there is literally a button you can press that means "I didn't like this". if you want your feedback to have an effect you should probably try saying why you feel the way you feel. otherwise, the dislike button exists
@rektyrektingson4668 3 жыл бұрын
THE MAN DID IT
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