Are they good mate ye??they run fast?nice free hun sound?

Those were the days 😁

Thanks 👍

It’s a shame they dropped the Chris King Collaboration and started using their own hubs.

They are!

Love the Picco. Would be my choice too.

Great tyres. Schwalbe really nailed it.

@@Mapdec I have just bought new set of pro one 30mm which are slightly smaller than the previous version 28mm. Father Christmas needs to bring the schwalbe engineers a ruler for christmas.

Gotcha!

That's pretty funny. Thanks for the laugh 😃.

The background music is what would be played in a planetarium before the program starts.

@@robertkeefer1552 😂 the music is fine it was just too loud

Will try. We see a fair few.

@@Mapdec thank you!

Let us all know how you get on with the Michelin. We only stock MTB tyres from them at the moment.

@@Mapdec sadly didn't get to fit them today. Zipp wheels arrived and the finish on them is awful and need to be returned. How they passed through quality control I do not know.

Why not my gp 5000 TL 32 fits perfectly fine ive been sprinting on them no promvlem

Be careful.

I hated the muzak sounds too much like lift death march

Keeping It Real I have too agree, most annoying tbh

Nice. Let us know how you get on. The BBT29 is perfect.

@@Mapdec I am struggling to get the Schwalbes seated. Is there something i might be doing wrong?

@@alexw5894 if you have trouble with a tubeless tire: set them up with a tube first. remove the tube by undoing only one tire bead, screw the tubeless valve back in, put tire back in rim, try to inflate again. if it still doesnt work you can use soapy woater. and always remove the valve core to get more air through the valve. if it still does not work with a regular pump you need a compressor or tubeless air bottle thing.

This was filmed ages ago, when Zipp were the first major brand to launch hookless and Conti did not have a tubeless version of the popular gp5000 yet. It was of it’s time.

If the 303s is still at knock down price. Ok. Check our more recent vid on them though.

They are not included but in theory that are the same hubs on the firecrest and they do make adaptors.

Yes. But the first batch sold fast!

Mapdec Cycle Works - Kendal nowhere in New Zealand either.

Pirelli P Zero are the way forward

In those early days it was to cover up poor audio quality. Things are better now.

30mm There is a follow up here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtKRac6QycXOnHk.html

Yes. But sealant is just there for puncture repair. A good setup will hold pressure without.

Schwalbe G ones for sure. Hutchinson work well too.

@@Mapdec is that the hutchinson overides

I haven't seen any upgrades that would make this possible. Thats not to say there isn't an aftermarket brand that makes them somewhere.

Yes. Every carbon rim and frame with this UD finish has a kind of faint marble finish. Only adding the 4K weave or paint removes that really. I like the raw carbon look.

Lots of better options than both. We have some Hunts on the channel

@@Mapdec ended up going deep into the world of wheels and took your advice. Resulted paying a bit more (£1350) for a pair of ffwd ryot 44 (dt240 hub). Appreciate your videos and thoughts on the channel.

@@michaelselby4940 nice

also, what happens when u get a flat? can you still use an inner tube?

I haven’t seen any that specify it, just ones that don’t specify either way. Pirelli and Continental are a big NO.

@@danzirulez When you flat, you can use an inner tube. Look at the FAQs on the wheel spec page.

Probably done off camera. Must have been pulling a silly face while I did it. Or swearing 😂

Yes. However if you want to save weight I would still add a little Orange Seal sealant just to line the tyre and close any small gaps.

It’s a very good question! From a professional point of view, we would seek another tyre that fit the specifications. This is because if you ever had a bad accident and sought compensation these details would be investigated and anything being used out of specification would fall under negligence law. So my answer, seek an alternative tyre that suits the pressure and size recommendations of the wheel.

If it feels too plush for you at maximum allowed tire pressure, just go up in tire width and pump it at max pressure, it will feel firmer then. But as a side note: Try to get used to the plush feeling, there are more benefits from low tire pressure than you might think :)

When there's 2 possibilities ALWAYS follow the lower. For example you have a car, on the tyre there's max speed 100km/h on the wheel max speed 150km/h you don't go more than 100km/h. For the wheel it's the same, 5bar max for wheel and 6bar mini for tyre, if you put 6bar you are ok with the tyre but you will cause dammage on the wheel who support the tyre so alway following the smallest instruction. The wheels is for tubeless and 5bar maximum because they are without hook it's the rule of ETRTO for TUBELESS without hook not more than 5bar. I think if a brand like zipp (sram group) put on the market this wheel, they no with 28mm tyre at 5bar it's ok for all riders. I am 85kg fort 1m89 using carbon wheels with hook of an italian Brand, the technical manual say "6,3 bar maximum with tubeless tyre" i ride using 5/5.5 bar with 700x28c tubeless tyre it's perfect

Thankfully the brands have all caught up now and there are lots of hookless options now.

@@Mapdec is less expensive to produce hookless rim, because to to make hook there's to use in the process a only use silicon mandrel with a great precision of machining. I hope this particular point who reduce the cost for cycle industry will have benefit for customers, carbon wheels of quality, easy to put the tyre and starting at price under 1000€ for a good carbon wheelset. Searching on the net the best price for this zipp 303s i found is 822€ i can say for a carbon wheelset it's a good good value for money because regarding review they are well build. (Sorry if my english is not perfect i'm not from UK).

No

My LBS confirmed that these don't like 25mm tyres. Also, hookless is apparently not the safest option with narrower tyres such as 25mm.

@@manojdemel2179 zipp website confirms that you can use 25c tires. I also contacted Schwalbe asking if it was safe to use 25c tires in the zipp hookless rims and this is what the rep answered: Hi Felipe, Thanks for the message. The Pro One TLE is compatible with any hookless or hooked rims on the market, you can feel confident using it knowing that the tubeless technology we use (unlike several other manufacturers at the moment) will not stretch or blow off any rims!

@@FRamirez1A That message doesn't say specifically if the Pro One 25mm is compatible with zipp 303s. My LBS had issues trying to fit 25mm Pro One on a pair of zipp 303s. Just take the internal rim width to consideration. It is 23mm. Trying to fit a 25mm tyre is that you are going to take chances. BTW the new Schwalbe Pro Ones are slightly narrower than the previous gen tyres. I am pretty happy with my zipp 303s setup with Pro One TLE 28mm.

@@manojdemel2179 That's what my question was (if I could use 25c schwalbe on that rim) so that is what he was answering. Would you mind telling me the measurement of your tire inflated? I have found contradictory information. Some people says that the schwalbe 28c on that rim goes all the way to 31 and others say that it only goes between 28mm and 29mm. That is why I'm hesitating. Maybe is because of what you are saying about the new model. I'm use to my 25c tires (they actually measure 26.7 when on my climbing wheels), do you feel "too plush" on the 28c? Thanks for your time!

@@FRamirez1A It will take about another 8-9 for me to take the actual measurements. From memory, I think it was around 28-29mm inflated. Like I sid before the new Gen. tires are slightly narrower than the previous Gen tires. I find the 28mm are very comfortable compared to my 25mm Schwalbe Ones. Pro Ones are more plushy and supple. The best tires I ever had. Oh and also I feel 28mm are bit faster as well. But that could be the combination of the zipp 303s + Pro One 28mm setup.

Tubeless are still clinchers (rather than tubular) for the 303s you must use tubeless tyres that are for hookless rims regardless if you run inner tubes or not.

Yes

@@Mapdec Thanks! Please indulge an ignorant newb, how does that work? Is it simply changing hub end caps?

The 303s and the Pacenti Pico come with 142x12mm hubs. You might have a very rare 142mm Quick Release frame. In which case you have big problems.

@@Mapdec Uh oh. It's a Giant Escape Disc 1, would you happen to know? It's quick release but not 100% 142mm.. the bike is not with me at the moment but I'll try to measure when it is.

One per wheel

It’s an old video. Lots has changed. New tyres exist now, 303s are bargain basement price now. You would get really bored if we didn’t edit things down a bit.

@@Mapdec thanks for getting back to me i guess my issue is i've not used hookless but have tubeless so was expecting to hear the normal sound when the tyres seated im thinking about getting them as they seem a good bet over the hunt equivalent and putting 35mm panaracer gravel kings on them for me Aspero on a gravel setup

Not all rims and tyres make an exciting noise. The best ones just slide quietly into place with minimal pressure. The Pacenti are a great choice for gravel. Expect problems with Hunt. I have a more up to date video featuring FFWD Ryot that will explain. Glad we could help.

The Zipp bearings are only good for fine weather and deep pockets 😩

@@Mapdec did the bearings fail already? I'm considering the same wheels. If so, are they covered under the life time warranty? Thank you so much!

The extra width makes more difference to what you feel, and is noticeable improvement in handling and smoothness. The hubs are still poor durability. Firecrests on DT Swiss 240s would be oh so sweet. The extra aero features of the 303. I couldn’t notice. The 808 however, wow!

@@Mapdec thanks for the reply. Am I understanding you correctly, the difference is essentially 2 mm extra internal width and a different but equally crappy hub ? I now the Zipp website states they're a bit lower and lighter, but I take the weight with a grain or two of salt anyway, and I'm a Clydesdale.

Yep. Those 2mm make the difference you would notice. At this rim depth there are better options for price to performance ratio. Like the Pacenti. The Zipp range really becomes an advantage when you hit the 404 and 454. No one does that rim depth better.

Good spot!

I think I mentioned that in the video. They need a lot of attention. Work fine when they are kept serviced. Looks like they have changed design to ratchet system for the new 858

Minimum tyre size is 28mm

Mapdec Cycle Works - Kendal, you inccorect min is 25mm as per Zipp technical data however they recommend 28mm tyre for best performance.

@@Mapdec minimum is actually 110% of the internal width of the rim (25.3), but a 25mm tyre is allowed by Zipp. Although not public, this is likely to be part of the ISO guidelines which are being finalised at present. Zipp recommend 28 for best performance. The 303 Firecrest is different, given the wider internal for this the minimum is closer to 28mm.

Not safely.

What tyres?

Quite an old video now, but they didn’t when this was filmed.

Good luck with that

@@Mapdec All non-electronic Zipp branded bicycle components, model year 2021 or later, are covered under warranty for damage during intended use per the user manual, as well as defects in materials or workmanship, for the lifetime of the product. Lifetime warranty coverage applies to the original owner for a product purchased through an authorized Zipp retailer. Proof of purchase is required when submitting a warranty claim.

Sounds good 👍

Old vid. We got better.

@@Mapdec Oh yeah, I didn't notice the time stamp. I watch a lot of your other videos so I was confused by this one.

Why?

I would probably argue it’s priced about right now. On sale for £779 many places now.

Brave new world