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@Roodoo55
@Roodoo55 8 күн бұрын
Genuine question: what do you mean by having the thermostatic mixer to prevent constantly changing from hot to cold? Doesn't a mixer tap do the job? I'm planning my build in a t6 and working out crafty ways of fitting this great bit of kit in
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 8 күн бұрын
@@Roodoo55 a mixer tap would mix hot and cold, but you’d have to adjust it as the water in the tank cooled. A thermostatic mixer would do this automatically, and reduce water wastage and increase safety-no chance of 80 degree water coming out of the tap!
@Roodoo55
@Roodoo55 7 күн бұрын
@@bobilvans4205 instant hot water. My van is literally going to be posher than my house.
@leeblackbourn3062
@leeblackbourn3062 8 күн бұрын
Hi regarding the fuses am I correct in putting a 25amp dc fuse for the 12v fuse board and a 2amp fuse in the fuse box for the slave? And then in my ac fuse box I need the change the breaker for a 5amp ? Many thanks lee
@dylmey
@dylmey 9 күн бұрын
Would you be able to do a video that shows (or explain) all the different states of running. For example: summer water heating only, winter floor and van heat only. Also include how much of the system is automated and how you ensure the heat exchangers that are "not in use" are kept from overheating damage? thx.
@MrTemzi
@MrTemzi 9 күн бұрын
If the pump turns off when the temperature gets too high, will the water/glycol boil in the radiator? Would that cause issues?
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 9 күн бұрын
@@MrTemzi it won’t boil-that’s what glycol is for, it has a much higher boiling point than water.
@MrTemzi
@MrTemzi 4 күн бұрын
@@bobilvans4205 But what about the water heater radiators behind it? I'm planning a similar system so that's why i'm asking for info🙂. I was going to order you'r electronic valves to use with a thermostat, mut you don't seem to sell those anymore.
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 4 күн бұрын
@@MrTemzi we have an automated diverter as part of the kit. Without this and the smart controller there may be safety implications.
@MrTemzi
@MrTemzi 4 күн бұрын
@@bobilvans4205 ok thanks for the info!
@ih2530
@ih2530 11 күн бұрын
at 9:00 you show a John Guest 12 mm fitting, what size/diameter thread does it need to screw into the barb fitting?
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 11 күн бұрын
@@ih2530 the threads are 1/2”
@ih2530
@ih2530 20 күн бұрын
Do you recommend installing John Guest check valves before or after the system? How would you deal with pressure build up between the tank e.g. the shower?
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 19 күн бұрын
@@ih2530 just on the inlet. There is a bit of pressure build up but that’s why there is an expansion tank, it massively reduces the increase in pressure to protect the pipes.
@simplyboating4609
@simplyboating4609 20 күн бұрын
Does the expansion tank come with the complete kit that you sell ? as i did see it.
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 19 күн бұрын
@@simplyboating4609 yes the expansion tank is included, we just haven’t fully updated our website.
@ih2530
@ih2530 21 күн бұрын
Are there any components used in this video that are not included? If so, which ones are they? So I can buy them myself.
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 21 күн бұрын
@@ih2530 only the inlet and outlet John guest fittings and the valve, everything else is included!
@ih2530
@ih2530 20 күн бұрын
@@bobilvans4205 Thanks! Also for people reading this, at 9:17 you also mention the John Guest pipe inserts. So it would be good to buy those as well
@chblabah
@chblabah 21 күн бұрын
Is it possible to upgrade the old system - which I purchased a while ago? If so, how/what's needed? The homepage doesn't seem to be updated yet?
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 21 күн бұрын
@@chblabah we’re working our way through it! Yes you can upgrade, it’s just the new exchanger, hoses, clips and the plumbing unit and expansion tank. Just send us an email and we’ll figure something out.
@neilalexander2406
@neilalexander2406 21 күн бұрын
When will this system be available. I am about to purchase the duel system for my van.
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 21 күн бұрын
@@neilalexander2406 any purchase from around a month ago will be the new system 👍
@neilalexander2406
@neilalexander2406 21 күн бұрын
@bobilvans4205 Thanks, order in shortly !
@sp6ml
@sp6ml 22 күн бұрын
a u d i o ….🤦‍♂️
@ih2530
@ih2530 21 күн бұрын
it's fine
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 21 күн бұрын
@@sp6ml we’re engineers, not sound technicians!
@garykennedy4856
@garykennedy4856 Ай бұрын
I thought I spoke English fairly well but I didn’t understand one word of this.
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 Ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that Gary. Can we answer any of your questions via the written word!
@bradlock76
@bradlock76 Ай бұрын
Can the tanks be insulated from the colder winter weather prior to fitting the brackets.?
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 Ай бұрын
Yes you can add insulation if you so desire, just leave space for the brackets when applying.
@user-ht1yp9qn6e
@user-ht1yp9qn6e Ай бұрын
I have programmed as explained and notice that the controller does not switch off when the power drops below the 12.7 it stays on? im baffled has anyone any suggestions please
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 Ай бұрын
Sometimes try power cycling after programming to reset the logic
@user-ht1yp9qn6e
@user-ht1yp9qn6e Ай бұрын
@@bobilvans4205 how is that done?
@paisleypcdoc
@paisleypcdoc 2 ай бұрын
Hahaha ha! What a cop out. You realise that by using a VSR (set to lower voltage) you are COMPLETY removing the need for a dc-dc charger! Just use a low set VSR to charge batteries.
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 2 ай бұрын
You can’t use a VSR for lithium batteries which is the point of this video.
@abecoulter8550
@abecoulter8550 2 ай бұрын
i assume this can be used with LPG heaters too
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 2 ай бұрын
It can!
@abecoulter8550
@abecoulter8550 2 ай бұрын
@@bobilvans4205 im keen to get a smart controlled sysem in my caravan, air heated and tanked with the element as a dump load for my solar and wind charge controller
@MrMaximusQuintus
@MrMaximusQuintus 2 ай бұрын
Woow I was just about to order a cak tank set but I like yours better, good timing.
@electricalfive2248
@electricalfive2248 2 ай бұрын
if anyone wants a cheap super simple way to extract heat from the exhaust, just buy a pack of scotch bright stainless steel scrubbers. You can expand them from the middle and slip them onto the exhaust pipe. They have a ton of surface area and conduct heat from the pipe really well. they work pretty well already by passive heating, but you can add a fan to help a little. You can buy a 16 pack for $10. Thats all you need.
@sammfinn
@sammfinn 3 ай бұрын
Hi! Great video, thanks for sharing the method. I am going to do something very similar with my 2015 Relay. Only unclear on one thing - once you make the whole in the breather connector, how far does the metal fuel pipe need to go down into the tank?
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 3 ай бұрын
I think I cut around 200mm off the Autoterm one. You can push the tube to the tank bottom to measure it.
@mikezoom42
@mikezoom42 4 ай бұрын
giving me itchy eyes just looking at you stroking that cat 😂
@mikemiller8718
@mikemiller8718 4 ай бұрын
Great setup and the hot water heater is awesome! So I already have my van built with water heater (isotemp square) and water tank, could I use this with the glycol heater to send it to my water heater? Do you think it would heat it up like the coolant loop from van engine, I know it wont be as hot but instead of me rigging up the water heater exchange system.
@YouTubeArbo
@YouTubeArbo 4 ай бұрын
Вот бы реализовать через твердотельное реле и вход 4-20Ma,
@ourworldonwheels
@ourworldonwheels 4 ай бұрын
I’ve used multi solve , same brand as the CT1 adhesive and it’s good!! It might be worth a try mate if you’ve still got staining 👍🏼
@VicRol67
@VicRol67 4 ай бұрын
Hello ! Nice work, I would love to buy this ones but I'm in France :( Do you think there is an option to isolate them and put an electric antiforst system ? Or you would not recommend using them below 0 ?
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 4 ай бұрын
You can add extra fittings as the tank has an access hatch so you can get your hand in if necessary!
@PatBaroudeur-tn1jw
@PatBaroudeur-tn1jw Ай бұрын
@VicRol67 moi pour mon Ducato L2, je cherche un réservoir à peu près du style de la vidéo introuvable en France. Vous connaissez un site de vente à l'étranger?
@PainterD54
@PainterD54 5 ай бұрын
You wouldn't have that moisture problem if you mounted the heater inside like it is intended to be. Why try to heat cold outside air instead of inside?
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 5 ай бұрын
I really don’t understand this comment I’m afraid. All of the testing in this video is done with exhaust gases which originate from atmosphere, not from the cabin. The moisture comes from the combustion process. It was also not a particularly cold day so we weren’t heating air which was sub-zero or anything so the burn chamber temps wouldn’t have been particularly affected.
@robingham3342
@robingham3342 5 ай бұрын
Excellent lost a entire day looking for d+ on a vw crafter
@maurizioteobaldelli4845
@maurizioteobaldelli4845 5 ай бұрын
Do you think it would be possible to use your system in combination with a block heater instead that a diesel heater?
@user-oz2rx1qv6z
@user-oz2rx1qv6z 5 ай бұрын
Great video Ed, you make it look as easy as it is to fit them.
@NOMAD-LEISURE
@NOMAD-LEISURE 5 ай бұрын
Ed can the switchover( diverter) from to heat water to heat hab area . Do you need the controller to control that ?
@campervansen-le-frith8517
@campervansen-le-frith8517 5 ай бұрын
Awesome video Ed well done 👍
@CanadianTexaninLiguria
@CanadianTexaninLiguria 5 ай бұрын
Promaster too!
@patricknicolas1138
@patricknicolas1138 5 ай бұрын
Très bonne vidéo et explication ... Sauf que dans toutes ces vidéos sur l'amélioration électrique, il n'est jamais mentionné comment désactiver la recharge d'origine par l'alternateur de la batterie cellule, car cela vient en doublon du dispositif dc dc et donc lui passe au dessus en parallèle , surtout pour un parc de batteries lithium.
@gj8550
@gj8550 5 ай бұрын
Why would you not build a heat exchanger to wrap around the exhaust pipe as opposed to having the exhaust air restricted, thus potentially creating soot?
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 5 ай бұрын
Because this was a one off test, rather than a full installation and building things takes time. I have another video using an egr cooler which is basically what you’re suggesting.
@gj8550
@gj8550 5 ай бұрын
@@bobilvans4205 Thank you. Look forward to seeing it.
@manoaza09
@manoaza09 6 ай бұрын
What is P3 and P4? Do you know maybe?
@garyburchgb
@garyburchgb 6 ай бұрын
I've got to install one of these for someone so ill be getting one of these. Low amperage one should be ok for this purpose given its only a low current signal right?. Just seems like an oversight and cost cutting that it doesn't have built in sensing like the victron. I'm not overly convinced about renogys stuff being that good compared to my experience with victron stuff that "just works" topped off with horror stories I've heard regarding their customer service. When I order one of these would you be able to provide the wiring diagram for the switch as well?
@mikerilling2745
@mikerilling2745 6 ай бұрын
😂 there is no such thing as a fossil fuel stop saying that you sound stupid😂 Oil and gas do not come from fossils. The Earth makes them using heat and pressure.
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 6 ай бұрын
I will mention that the point of the video wasn’t really about the origin of fossil fuels, it’s about heat reclamation from exhaust gases.
@parstalberg
@parstalberg 6 ай бұрын
I can see a ESP in the controller. Could you add so you could connect to the wifi in the van? And also could you add something like Mqtt to the controller so I could connect it to my home automation and turn it on and get status remote?
@mazdamaniac4643
@mazdamaniac4643 6 ай бұрын
If the pump speed is too high, the water is flowing through the system so fast that it simply doesn't have time to absorb a lot of heat, or transfer that heat into the radiator. This is why you're seeing low differences between the intake/outlet temps of the radiator. That's not a good thing, from 38.8 to 40.9, you're only transferring ~2'C into the air stream. By bringing the pump speed down, you can bring the water temperature up until it is close to boiling ~80-85'C is good. This means that your radiator is now getting hot enough, so it is much easier for it to transfer that heat into the intake air stream. You'll need a variable speed water pump for that, with a way to govern that speed against temperature rises.
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 6 ай бұрын
Not sure I agree. The aim is to reduce the temperature of the air coming out of the exhaust as much as possible. The colder it is, the more energy has been transferred. By running the pump slower you increase the exhaust temperature which isn’t good. The key is the amount of energy that has been transferred, not the temperature.
@mazdamaniac4643
@mazdamaniac4643 6 ай бұрын
@@bobilvans4205 It may seem counter-intuitive but hear me out. You want the EGR cooler to absorb as much heat out of the exhaust gas as possible, to do that, the water (your heat transfer medium in this case) needs to spend as much time as possible inside the EGR cooler so that it can absorb that heat. A high flow rate of water would be fine if you had a very long or large EGR cooler, but there's no space here for that with a small cooler, so the pump rate needs to be reduced to give the water enough time. The reverse is true for the small radiator, slowing the flow of water through it gives the water enough time to transfer it's heat into the cores of the radiator, where the air stream can carry it away. This comes from experience of racing engines, where we tried various combinations of high-flow radiators and high-output water pumps only to find that what _seemed_ like the best combination (high-flow water pump impeller with a 3-core high-flow radiator) actually made the engines run significantly hotter, to the point where one of them literally seized from overheating even though the coolant temperatures weren't above ordinary. The coolant was passing through the engines so fast, it could barely pick up any of the heat from the cylinders, so what arrived at the radiator was a mixture of warm-hot slush that only became a homogenous temperature when it arrived in the radiator header tank. Dropping the water pump impeller back to a standard size dramatically improved the overall cooling and allowed the 3-core radiator to do it's job. Funnily enough but I just had a thought, you could do away with the whole water transfer setup all together and make a long coil of pipe inside a can, or one that loops back and forth like a direct heat exchanger. Running exhaust gas through that would directly transfer exhaust heat into the incoming air stream far more efficiently because you're no longer having to work with the limitations of water boiling off.
@tomnemo9501
@tomnemo9501 5 ай бұрын
​@@bobilvans4205Yes, I agree. Recover the wasted energy in the exhaust gases. Given your data as presented you recovered around 50 btu/min (6.5 liters/min) with a delta of 2 ½ ⁰... Given your heaters energy input is about 200 btu/min I'd say that was good progress. Measurements of delta T across the EGR would be beneficial. I've had 2 of these Diesel heaters for around 7 years now and have purchased a auxiliary automotive heater to do the very same. All I need now is the EGR cooler.
@RAMBO6724922
@RAMBO6724922 6 ай бұрын
would this need mixing valve?
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 6 ай бұрын
No, it just heats the coolant off the diesel heater
@Festivejelly
@Festivejelly 6 ай бұрын
Water conducts heat better than air... which is why you see a difference.
@willyskipper
@willyskipper 6 ай бұрын
Hi. Great video and thank you. Can i ask where the heat shield on your exhaust pipe is from? I'm doing the exact same route as yourself
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 6 ай бұрын
It’s included in the kit
@vandercampadventures
@vandercampadventures 6 ай бұрын
Hello Ed, a great alternative to locating the D+ wiring. It seems like a perfect solution for vehicles manufactured before 2015 that have traditional alternators. However, I was wondering if the Transit Custom in the video has a smart alternator that was produced before 2015? I am curious to know if the system works with smart alternators since they have low-voltage outputs? Cheers
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 6 ай бұрын
Hi, it doesn’t work with smart alternators I’m afraid. Ed.
@jeffokriya3389
@jeffokriya3389 6 ай бұрын
They are NOT "fossil fuels" 🦖my friend. . it´s a lie from the Establishment. They are simply minerals. It´s a big fat lie.
@alexleeder8325
@alexleeder8325 6 ай бұрын
I'm thinking about doing this myself. My only concern is that if something attached to the bottom of the heater needs replacing, it looks like it would be very difficult to get to. Is that actually the case?
@mechniack
@mechniack 6 ай бұрын
It's not an EGR cooler it's a heat exchanger
@mechniack
@mechniack 6 ай бұрын
It's the other way around cold water always comes in at the bottom and hot water out of the top
@leblancexplores
@leblancexplores 6 ай бұрын
Anyone have an idea if a hydronic pump style heater or the diesel heater more efficient? I can see the only advantage of the former is you can wire it up to your engine coolant loop.
@camperventure388
@camperventure388 6 ай бұрын
Hi great video... Happy new year... i know this is an old video. Can you update me on the heater feed into the diesel tank have you had any difficult problems etc any movement leaking etc thanks.
@bobilvans4205
@bobilvans4205 6 ай бұрын
No issues at all 👍
@jonathantheunacceptable4259
@jonathantheunacceptable4259 7 ай бұрын
Fossil fuels don't come from dinosaurs 😂 one of the biggest lies of our generation
@JohnnyVersnachie
@JohnnyVersnachie 7 ай бұрын
It's been proven that oil is not made from just dinosaurs...