For my store in the US the time between the announcement of 3rd edition and it's launch dried up the Malifaux sales to the point that I was probably 90% of the sales for Malifaux in the store and I wasn't using them for Malifaux. There was also a time for roughly 6 months where you could not get Core Rulebooks after the launch. Yes they had a download you could use to get the rules, but physical copies are key for a games success. Lest we forget they also decided to split their focus at this time not just with another miniatures game, but also a RPG and board games (some of which were actually decently successful). I have also never understood the practice of basically closing down right after the sales they do for a period of time to catch up. No successful business ever says "We have made enough money right now, we need to catch up." Especially around Black Friday and the winter holidays. The mind boggling thing about it is that the community is generally okay with it. If GW did something similar the internet pitchforks and torches would be rampant.

Malifaux 1 was the only good one tbh. Metal models were better and suited the style more. The game was also less ability focused. Also like other people are saying I think there's a lot to be said about what games even benefit from growing through the LGS models, at what scale, and to what end.

Didn't play the game very much, but I loved the minis. I bought tons of them to paint and use for other games.

Was going to make a comment about something going "brr" - but the key motivating factor for the growth in printing IMO is GW. Their pricing strategy creates the demand for 3D printing. The issue is that when as a company you go public - the expectation is continual revenue growth. That means that as a luxury/niche product you continually have to have significant player base growth or power creep/"Edition Evolution" to force your existing base to spend to generate that sales growth. GW has embraced the latter. They've priced out the next generation from their product, and eventually the current purchasers will age out.

The problem is not so much having a book associated with your army. It's the fact that they contain crucial rules - which they know (that's why they sell it). The army books should only contain artwork, hobbying, lore etc... All rules should only be free. That's why people are going to Wahapedia or just canceling the rules altogether and using OPR.

3rd Edition Space Wolves Codex... The image of a red headed blood claw slaying Orks with a battle-axe was everything my little thirteen year old self could want.

I'd like to see you talk about This Quar's War.

Warhammer Man Discourse Hobby Shop is what you are. /spit

So many classic books we'll never see again. The 3.5 edition Chaos Space Marine Codex being chief among them, but there are plenty of others. Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters, the 4th edition Space Marine Codex, 4th Edition Guard with build your own regiment, 3rd edition Tyranids where you could customize hive fleets, 6th edition Hordes of Chaos, Vampire Counts and Skaven! Flawed, yes. But beautiful nonetheless. Not to mention FUN! Rolling to see how big your Death Company would be. Trying to force a Necron player to phase out. Ork looted vehicles! Some of it is generational. I'm closing in on 40. Im never going to enjoy a miniatures game the way I did 40K in high school, so I look back on the 3rd and 4th edition eras fondly. But I also think there's an essential magic of the two games at that time that has been lost. 10th edition is great at flying off the shelves, but it's terrible for making memories.

I'm really glad you returned to the point about how you can always use your models. The latest angst I've heard is around the changes to Kill Team and how models from the Compendium won't be able to be used. Death Guard, in particular, seems to be a complaint - despite the fact that you'll almost certainly be able to field Nurgle afflicted Chaos Space marines. The idea that we can't use our toys a certain way unless GW gives us specific permission in the form of telling us "this model, and only this model, uses this set of rules" seems to be a creeping issue and it's something gamers are inflicting on themselves.

I like these conversational and casual videos. Nice

rings of power was rly good. i think ppl just have to let LOTR on the screen be its own thing, its fine if its different to the books, we already have the books and the books will always be a better version of the books than the on screen stuff will be.

It's not a pile of shame..it's "the stash", and everyone needs a stash.

Nope- I trash codex’s faster than I can use them. I have kept my 2nd edition books though.

I really hope they make the malstrain genestealers useable in kill team. It's lore consistent, and it would allow for crossover between necro and KT. "Hey kid, ya like models? First ones free."😂

Don’t forget the new edition for MESBG, they plan on launching that soon too. Preorders go up Sunday for a bunch of kits.

One of the better aspects about being into the GW boxed games is the rate of release is far more manageable. You actually get time to breath when you aren't having boxed sets shoved down your throat.

I tried joining a malifaux slow grow league with a friend, both of us brand new. Within a month none of the experienced players would show at the store, in favor of playing at stores further out. The game is quite complicated, and trying to learn the real rules without veterans... was a flop for us. Also couldnt find some of the models in stock even direct from wyrd.

I've been in the hobby for quite a few years now and the one thing I've learned is: It doesn't matter how bad you feel treated as a player, GW isn't going anywhere for the forseeable future. It gives its customers what they pay for and its stock dividend is rock solid. So don't waste your breath and energy on complaining and hand-wringing. And maybe - just maybe - consider buying some GW stocks.

Hey where’s the the video where you and Chris discuss underworlds and how it’s kind of died! (Ignore the demanding tone here at the beginning it’s my click bait way of getting you both to read my comment ;-) ) However, I’ve been very interested to hear both of your takes on what happened, since I can guess and see why it slowly died down from a player stand point. Anyway, I’m curious on hearing from a retailer stand point. From a fellow Canadian but a Canuck, have a good one you guys

I picked up a crew when 2e came out, but was immediately turned off by the faction/crew dynamic (in-game, a player has access to all models in a faction, so having only one crew leaves players more open to hard counters and NPE). I finally got over myself and started playing the game this year, and have come to the conclusion that the game is a) an incredible achievement in game mechanics and b) way way too complicated! And not only that: unlike other complicated games, where you can at least shoot your way to a fun time, Malifaux is synergy and strategy first, so you kinda have to know how to play before you can play. It's a shame, because the card mechanics are immersive and engaging, the background rich and well-written, and the models utterly stunning.

as a person going to an 80 player event this weekend.... doesn't feel very dead

I love AOS 4 and the old world. I am just Thinking I might sell my 40k stuff and a lot of my other games and just play those 2. With my age and available time I think that's just themore sensible approach

This video was a bit too rambling though I feel.

I don’t think it’s a good thing. I get from a seller stand point it’s cool, but from a customer standpoint it’s tiring and really wear you down. I’d also say the models invalidated is a thing and many people will have an issue with it. Even if you don’t and I don’t , many will. At the end of the day GW can fix these things , so that’s why they get so much hate. Invalidated models wasn’t a thing when I started to play and if it was I never would have bought in. Now ? I’m kinda stuck in it for good or bad and that is also a bad feeling.

Aw, yeah, GW, spray that hose directly into my mouth

Imperial Agents really hyped me up, only to let me down. I wanted some better army building rules for the agents armies instead of “hey here’s kill teams and some grey knights”. I wanted at least a new vehicle and a new multipart generic inquisitor. I got neither. Blood Angels are fine, but I’m not going to grab them

Biggest regret was not picking up the pellenor fields box

BA players are not happy with the new release, the codex and San guard in perticular. Too many things being removed.

Nice thumbnail face. Cant agree with you more re: old models. I know they're not for everyone, the new sculpts are definitely better. But since starting back in to the hobby a couple years ago I'm steadily repainting all my firstborn and oldhammer tyranids and plan on fielding them in friendly games regularly. Old stuff FTW, especially if I can get it on the cheap!

I haven’t played a game since Pariah Nexus was released. I bit because of summer, but mostly because I can’t get the cards. GW is just a poorly run company with a good product. If they keep up these bad business practices I don’t know how they’ll keep going. It’s tiring.

Looking forward to warriors of chaos, and who shows up next for the old world!

There are only two things (excluding world wide nuke Armageddon)that can "kill" GW. It is GW itself and apathy of buyers. As long as the execs at GW don't turn the light off and there are legions ready to rebuy their armies the line is going to be pushed further and further. Because the buying power of a 40y old is nothing comparing to that of a 50-60y old who got rid of the kids and is looking at his pension. My mother HATED my dads gun collection. Till he clicked 70 , cashed in left the university and started to just buy shotguns, rifles, crossbows etc.

I started playing it when it first came out and worked two GenCons for them. But it just died in our area. Loved the card mechanic but store support was just lacking.

The fact that GW is a public company beholden to shareholders is the likely cause of this. Executives push the firehose to boost quarterly sales not caring that in the future, they will likely cannibalize their own sales as there is too much out there and people will buy in the secondary market. These executives don't stay long as they jump from job to job so it's someone else's future problem.

Had a big presence when we ran it in my area but it really is a game that fell off as soon as key players moved on or got disinterested in playing. Its a game that really strived on competitive play, and i think that was a factor for me dropping it personally. Im drawn more to the general hobby of collecting, lore, painting, narrative campaigns, and i think the vast majority of players in my area were mainly interested in comp play. As soon as comp play isnt scratching the itch or starts getting boring, game is dropped. Unfortunate since ive been waiting for a new edition for so long to give it another shot.

Funny thing is I saw a Malifaux ad at the start of this video

Fantasy kept up the quality on their army books until almost the end, but 40k really started literally slimming down their books to just rules, fewer full color pictures, less art, less stories and other snippets of lore. Really, 2nd edition 40k and 4th edition fantasy is where I draw the line. Everything past that feels very different, and you could draw a straight line from that point to what we have now.

Hey guys… love your actual take on the industry. I wish other commenters would realise that the channel and insights are based on industry and commerce. It’s really internet to hear your take on. Here in the uk it got about as big as it seems to have in Canada. One of the beloved alternatives to gw stuff. One game I would love to hear your thoughts on is bushido. It’s a fantastic game, setting and lore is excellent. However, availability of product is… well… dogs@*t anywhere other than Gct. It is still a thriving community and product. It just seems to be that way despite a lack of availability in flgs and a Stone Age website from the manufacturer. I’d also like to know how popular bushido is in Canada. I know that ash from guerilla plays it intermittently on his channel, but that man is an absolute machine in term as of the different games he plays

I'm teaching the game monthly to new faces. One of the best games out there.

Have you hit up Frostgrave yet?

That’s a long video that mostly comes down to “the major distributors don’t work for small games anymore”.

Lazy, baseless ragebait.

Always looked like a game for people who shop at Hot Topic, they should have done a collaboration.

GUYS WE'VE MADE IT! Malifaux is popular enough to farm Ragebait from.

I tried to get into it. So much to love about it but there was just far too many rules. Never mind losing but I often felt like I’d no idea what was happening half the time. Shame as I love so much about it.

WHOOOOA! Hold up! Wait a minutes! Leeeeets back up to that point where you're talking about that one customer who bought that mini from somewhere else other than your store. You stated that this gave you animosity towards that customer, for buying something outside your store. You then proceeded to talk about how your customer is wrong for not supporting the place they are playing in. Think about that for a minute.... THAT is not the game company causing you to have animosity towards your customer. YOUR customer has a life to live, responsibilities, and bills to pay - just like you do. Now, i understand the need for customers to support their "FLGS" and all, but thats just not right at all. You can't get pissy with your customers, because they don't buy their models from you. And if i were to ever feel that vibe from my "FLGS", i'd stop going there. As a customer, i'm there to have fun, and not have an anxiety/salty-prone salesman looking at me with disdain, over what i'm putting on the table. You want my money? You need to work for, kid. Because with how expensive this shit is, there is no way that i'm not buying my models from somewhere else. On the OTHER hand, i see purchasing stuff from my FLGS as a 'mercy', more than anything else - that is also not a healthy attitude to have, but it is most-definitely one that your ilk have fostered in the various tabletop gaming communities. You provide a place to play games at, while hoping that they will spend money while there. Period. Thats it. Your relationship and thoughts on ANY customer should end there. When you start getting expectant, and blaming the game companies for your poor attitude towards your customers - that is exactly when you should start seeing your sales decline. It is, and always will be about providing the best customer sales and services. When you are providing that, you'll never have another worry about where your customers are getting their games and models from. Don't be putting that on the game companies, OR on your customers EVER!!!

I am hearing the pains and challenges of a game store in Canada, trying to stock a game they like but it either being too expensive or just not possible due to distributors dropping it. I can understand that frustration, but to thumbnail and create a clickbait (your words from in the comments) title of a game being dead when that's completely wrong is just using your platform to try to push it down, which just sucks. Your critiques of the game itself are rooted in the previous edition because you haven't played or seen the current edition, and you keep talking about how small their footprint is at conventions when that's verifiably not the case. You guys chose to go GW for your personal choices you called out in the video, but crapping on other games that are still being played and growing makes no sense. Come on, guys. You clearly didn't choose to do any research about the current state of the game or the company outside of the brief look on the website you mentioned at the very end as a footnote about models being used in The Other Side and Malifaux. I'm sorry you had a negative experience trying to acquire and sell the game in 2e. That certainly had issues with the game's popularity locally, but it is not a representation of the whole. Don't lash out at the game and, by proxy, one of the nicest mini game communities out there by calling their favorite game/hobby dead.

We liked the 1st edition, it was fresh and had vibrant looks. The world looked great initially. Then they made quite a bit of an artwork change and oddball choices for characters. But the real reason for me is that it's not an accessible game to show new players...it's far to heavy rule's wise and games become too long to play.

Bruh. Malifaux is growing in my area. What an infuriating hot take. Shouldn't you be trying to lift things up and get people excited? Why drive people away from a game?