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@southerner66
@southerner66 3 күн бұрын
Very interesting. I was given a 475 scope in apparently pristine condition, but it will not trigger. I also have an old Heathkit Transistor Tester that does leakage testing. Transistor leakage tests have saved me a lot of trouble on several occasions, including on an old combo organ I was given because everyone else gave up on trying to fix it.
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 3 күн бұрын
After looking in to this further these parts are not at fault. The diode is there due to the speed of the part. if the scope is not triggering I would try tuning up the trigger section before anything else. Tunnel diodes are none for a small amount of drift it might be as simple as needed a calibration touch up.. The transisters in the trigger section of a 475 are at an fT of 1.2Ghz.
@southerner66
@southerner66 3 күн бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios Thanks for the update. I had put this scope on the back burner because I had heard that there were parts in it -- and I think they may have been the tunnel diodes -- that were unobtainable as repair parts. But perhaps I'll go through the functionality checks you outline, along with the calibration/alignment and see if that will get it working.
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 3 күн бұрын
There ARE tunnel diodes in the scope. The are the main active switching element in the trigger. The good news is in the 4xx series scope they are not known for being problematic. In most of the scopes that I have looked at that appeared to have serious issues 90% of the time it was power supply related. Usually a missing or low voltage rail. One of the 4xx scopes I have fixed was not sweeping at all. It turned out that the -8 Volt rail was missing on the sweep / timing board. There are some extremely exotic capacitors on the timing and sweep board that should NOT be changed these were made in how by Tek for Tek and replacement would be multiple $100’s the good news here is these really never fail and are always good (I have never had to replace any yet) They are the main timing capacitors for the sweep speed and are of any extremely high quality. And they were all a matched set to get the sweep speed to work correctly.
@ZhuraYuki
@ZhuraYuki 4 күн бұрын
Why you did not connected common wire from BNC to SG505 in differential mode? Also I see some 60/50Hz spikes in spectrum beginning. Does power supply in SG505 is ok? Filtering caps?
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 4 күн бұрын
On the BNC version of the 505 there is not a common wire to connect. Return is through the shield of the coax. The output of the SG505 can be set floating or ground referenced on the unit. The power supply is totally fine for the SG505. There is a chirp that some times happens in the lab. At the time of this videos recording I did not have it nailed down. I do have that 100% figured out now and there will be a video on what it is out soon.
@thatampguy
@thatampguy 5 күн бұрын
There’s a cottage industry built around courrier laundering broken test equipment through eBay
@stevec5000
@stevec5000 6 күн бұрын
I ordered a GPSDO that came from Aliexpress but it's rather disappointing. On the display it just says "10.000 Mhz GPSDO" for a while then changes to say "PPB -2.3" and "PWM31077" but there are no instructions at all so I have no idea what that means. Pushing in the knob gets into a menu where I can select Contrast, Offset, PWM Set and Exit but that's all. It never displays the time like they show in some photos and there's no way to even tell if it's picking up any satellites or working at all! I opened it up and inside it has an Arduino STM32 and NEO-6M module plugged into the main board with just it's 5 pins holding it. The main board also has a 10.000 Mhz OSCO on it and outputs on the back for 1PPM and 10 Mhz.. With the top off I can at least see the LED blinking on the NEO-6M so I guess it's working to some extent but they should have put the LED on the front. Since there are no instructions can you tell me what PPB -2.3 and PWM31077 mean and how to use the settings for Offset, PWM Set?
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 6 күн бұрын
Given the way that reads my assumptions are given that they are just assumptions would be the unit IS locking. The startup message would be unlocked the display switching would be then the lock condition asserts. PPB I would assume after lock would be parts per billion and read this as the GPSDO is locking and then judging its self to be 10.00000000000 Mhz -2.3 parts per billion ppb being 10 to the -9 PWM I would imagine is the value from a DAC some where in the unit and is less helpful with out knowing 31077 really means.
@stevec5000
@stevec5000 6 күн бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios 10.00000000000 Mhz -2.3 parts per billion? Can it really be that accurate?
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 6 күн бұрын
Quite easy actually. GPS is backed up by Rb or CS on the satellite and Cs back at the ground station. GPS can easily get 10 to the -9. Here in the lab on the Rubidium we are at 10 to the -11 or -12. Cs when tuned correctly is 10 to the -13 but those tend to run in the cost of $50,000 Usd and the Cs tube has a finite number of hours Rb does as well but will run longer the Cs and is a factor of 10 less the cost $5,000 Vs $50,000 I have a document that is tracking ADEV on some of these and the good ones are walking in the single digit micro hertz range on a 10 mhz carrier. So quite good indeed. Check out the “Mastering Precision” series on the channel for more information on the topic. We poke at some of these with the fancy gear and take a look at the ADEV for some of these references. As well as depend on one here in the lab to help the Rb unit stay in place GPSDO 1pps -> Rubidium for a self-calibrating 10Mhz reference stable to 10 to the -12 all the metering is done with a 15 digit frequency counter.
@SteveBoobJobs
@SteveBoobJobs 7 күн бұрын
Hi, I have a 725 hooked up to a 770; when i turn ON the 770, the red power light comes on, but none of the indicator LED's do not turn on. I purchased brand new RCA's just to be sure, but still no dice. I bought the pair from an ebay seller and he swears up and down that it "was working".... Any advice would be greatly appreciated
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 6 күн бұрын
Will the amp drive a set of speakers? There is a switch on the front to turn off the display. My first test would be to see if there is amplification. This will show if it is just a display issue or if there are deeper issues.
@SteveBoobJobs
@SteveBoobJobs 6 күн бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios The only switches/buttons on the front of the 770 are the *power, *display, and *system 1,2. The red power indicator definitely comes on when pressed, but thats the only indication that it's ON, but no sound coming from speakers
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 6 күн бұрын
Just to confirm system 1 or 2 is pushed in and selected?
@SteveBoobJobs
@SteveBoobJobs 6 күн бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios That's right. I think the only thing i can do now is plug into the headphone jack on the pre to pinpoint where the issue is coming from
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 6 күн бұрын
OK with the source in questions that is what needs to be validated first. If there is no output from the source the amp might be working. If the source is known good then the input to the amp is suspect. If there another source handy for testing?
@pbnjimages294
@pbnjimages294 9 күн бұрын
is there software to talk to the unit with the usb port?
@donsurlylyte
@donsurlylyte 12 күн бұрын
i have one of those, is a neat unit. manual is online somewhere
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 12 күн бұрын
I was able to dig up the manual. Next video is its restoration, that one will be next week.
@jamied2108
@jamied2108 13 күн бұрын
The only issue we have had here on test equipment rebuilds is proper service documentation with the more vintage test gear, Great advice on the brightness setting..
@leonardpeters3266
@leonardpeters3266 13 күн бұрын
I've got an HP 8657 signal generator that I am dreading tearing into. Another "works correctly" purchase off of Ebay. Of course it has low output at lower frequencies. I keep on looking at it with the same enthusiasm I would have for picking up roadside litter on a 10 mile stretch of highway.
@darrenmurphy6251
@darrenmurphy6251 19 күн бұрын
dont know what the kit is for but interesting anyway best guess ,is it a dds sig gen thats sync-able with a time base reference? in the uk we dont get access to hp gear
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 19 күн бұрын
It is a low speed function generator DC - 600 Khz. There was an option that was allows for phase lock of up to 8 units. I needed 2 but the units I have do not have the Sync inputs on the back OP5 if I remember correctly. So I will need to find another way of getting phase locked outputs.
@darrenmurphy6251
@darrenmurphy6251 19 күн бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios ok phase locked wow thats cool serious tech oh and didnt know about sheiffer emi filter blocks so thanks ,seen loads of cracked rifa,s though but never an incinerated one ,i had a vega tv (russian) filter cap class x across 240v blow up in my face and seriously no bull iam convinced it was brown parcel tape just without the glue! that was back in the 90,s unrelated tech question : the yellow arrow shaped axial tantalum caps in 80s- 22 and 24 series tek scopes what do you replace them with when they cook the pcb , are low esr electros good enough now or are the tantrums better esr than that?
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 19 күн бұрын
that really depends on the circuit and service. If the tants are just decoupling caps for the power rails then low ESR electrolytic are fine, Usually.
@stephenbell9257
@stephenbell9257 19 күн бұрын
@@darrenmurphy6251 The brand of the bad mains input filters is Schaffner not Sheiffer. Check the date code on any of these filters you come across and immediately replace anything dated prior to 2000. Later years started using some better quality caps that weren't quite so prone to exploding.
@darrenmurphy6251
@darrenmurphy6251 19 күн бұрын
@@stephenbell9257 ive got loads of gear 80s to 90s, 22xx and 24xx tek scopes fluke 8840,s solartron ect , so time to get busy
@t5353m
@t5353m 23 күн бұрын
Thanks for the thorough vid. The bathtub cap in my unit is toast. The one thing that I don't like about the TT is the control knobs for Bias and Meter. Specifically, the arrow indicator is too far from the number scale. I like being as precise as possible and you really need to trust your eyesight to get them aligned perfectly. Being a bit nit-picky but comparing with the Hickok, they could have done better in this regard.
@MsFireboy2
@MsFireboy2 28 күн бұрын
Question what was total cost in parts including the CRT?
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios 23 күн бұрын
That is a tough question to answer. The caps are from my bulk storage I usually buy lots of 100 when I need a value to keep them on hand. The CRT can be had for around $100.00 given the donor scope that was used.
@thatampguy
@thatampguy 28 күн бұрын
🙌🏼
@raymiller5738
@raymiller5738 Ай бұрын
I have the older Leo Bodnar single output unit and added some heat sinks to the unit, both internal and external to lower the localised hot spots. If the Leo unit stabalizes over 60seconds and the GPS signal needs to be averaged over 60minutes to gain what the real accuracty is as it cycles to reduce its precission. What precession does the Leo achieve in the 60sec stabalisation time? I'd be interested in the non GPS locked stability figures at 10Mhz. thanks for the testing videos. cheers from Australia
@TheGrantourismo
@TheGrantourismo Ай бұрын
VaLhalla, not Vahalla, or Odin would show no mercy :)
@thanhhuynh272
@thanhhuynh272 Ай бұрын
I have had a significant number of Valve equipment power transformers fail over the years due to shorted turns…simply because there are so many turns of fine wire at so few volts per turn at mains frequencies….also had a 950v secondary in a Gould 4035 Oscilloscope that supplies the tube have shorted turns….enough to cause a 200w globe to glow about a quarter bright and a hot smell to eminate from the transformer. In that case I unwound the 6.3v tube heater winding and the 950v was the next winding down…got right “medieval” on it and chomped half of it away…put loads of captan tape over it, rewound the 6.3 on top and voltage doubled off what was left…which was about 415v worth….it worked quite well for about eight months then shorted again. this time I’m ripping it sll off and replacing it with a 25v winding to drive a Royer or Flyback ferrire vored EHT supply for the tube. Do have some valve regulated HV supplies here, two from Sanborn electromedical equioment….but both with just 120v primaries and a multitude of 350v secondaries…two driving a 5U4 locally, but the others went through wiring looms to remote rectifiers in the huge Sanborn 350 racks. As I’m in Australia, I will series the two 120v primaries on the two transformers, then parallel all the 350v secondaries between each to get them to share the load equally so I can run them of our 240v mains. They use 6L6’s as pass regs, 85A2’s as references and 12AT7’s as diff amps. Here, I would pull ALL the valves…including the 5U4 and jst see what the transformer draws on its own with no loads at all. the 5U4 heater draws 3A at 5v, so there is 15W already. When you showed the ripple, every second half cycle looked lower, suggesting a higher source impedance in one of the 5U4’s anodes than the other. I’d be loading down those secondaries with strings of low powered light globes….don’t you have 7.5w, 115v candle lampe over there in the United States? Put four of those in series to get a 30W, 500v resultant load you can test the secondaries wiith…form one end to the centre tap of course, not right across the whole lot. Somewhere I saw a video of a fellow Aussie getting the power transformer of a late 1920’s AWA (Our equivalent of your RCA) TRF radio rewound…yep here it is… nCB-iEllFak. He did happen to know a guy who would tacetly rewind transformers but did not openly advertise the fact. This is certainly a project I would like to complete too…do have a PS from a transmitter that has two 866A’s and two or three 5U4’s followed by regulators…..about four supplies in all of two transformers…and quite a few chokes and oil filled caps with bushings and dodgey dielectric inside….could tuen that into a HV bench supply, but a lot of work to make it safe and goof proof around the terminals!
@thanhhuynh272
@thanhhuynh272 Ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure I have one of these and a HP 5245L out in my shed. A few months ago I took the lids of both of them to see how similar they were inside and sort of expecting not that much difference, but I was surprised to fond that they were quite different despite the general layout and specs being similar. Have not found the time to power up either of them yet, but when I do it will be in series with some light globes. Both are fitted with hererodyning fown converters in the left hand plug-in bay and they are in no way interchangable between the units or even similar in interior design apart from containing an adjustable cavitity. Once I have had the time to check them over I will try to remember to come back and make a comment here on what I find.
@poormanselectronicsbench2021
@poormanselectronicsbench2021 Ай бұрын
You stated that this power supply has a full wave bridge rectifier configuration, and you also claim it has 60 Hz ripple, those 2 things do not add up ( it should be 120Hz ripple), something is still faulty or miswired. I would load test that transformer for its AC output without the circuitry before condemning it. The small "transformer" you pointed to on the bottom of the chassis is most likely a choke inline with the output, if that is shorted it will not remove the last of the ripple as well.
@vmiguel1988
@vmiguel1988 Ай бұрын
Send to Mr Carlson I bet he will fix it :D
@Joseph-ut4ui
@Joseph-ut4ui Ай бұрын
To paraphrase: "I've done everything right and it still doesn't work". I don't think your power transformer is bad; transformers don't just start delivering low current. I recommend getting a schematic for the A3A and carefully checking ALL your work. If a rectifier is getting hot then possibly too much current is going through it. With the wrong tube installed (6SH7), it may have been modified; the correct tube may now be a mistake, and other parts may have been changed. BTW, I'm a tech.
@hughgilbert390
@hughgilbert390 Ай бұрын
The yellow wires (heater?) appear to go to pins 2,7 of the 6sh7 pentode so I don't believe a 6sn7 dual triode will work there. They have completely different base diagrams.
@poormanselectronicsbench2021
@poormanselectronicsbench2021 Ай бұрын
The 'changed tube" thing is a very valid issue in a lot of old gear. I have seen old shortwave radios where someone probably read an article in a Ham radio magazine to "make your radio better" , tried to make some tube and wiring changes, probably failed, and either gave up or if it did work better, never made any notes inside the radio that something was changed. Whenever finding an improper tube in a device, its best to either compare wiring and associated components to a schematic, or if a schematic isn't available, at least get the datasheets for the tubes you've found, and what should be installed, and then root around to see what is proper, or what might be needed to be corrected.
@jerrymalone8370
@jerrymalone8370 Ай бұрын
Don't give up. Swap in a different transformer from an old radio chassis. Transformers are not critical. You can re-wind that one, too.
@splitprissm9339
@splitprissm9339 Ай бұрын
My approach would be to take the transformer out, and measure it through on a variac (probably, one could get the secondary to the right voltage to drive some light light bulbs or power resistors). And get out the thermal camera, the current probes, and the insulation tester (which probably is a good idea to use on a potentially damaged transformer anyway, esp if it is in a high voltage PSU that can float - if the positive gets grounded accidentally, you could end up with minus a couple hundred volts extra hammering on the primary/secondary insulation). Doubt any radio chassis that would be ok to junk has a remotely suitable transformer anyway though - you'd probably be looking for a junk-able guitar amplifier or transmitter....
@splitprissm9339
@splitprissm9339 Ай бұрын
Possible leakage from potentiometer/switch casings, wiring, or from the meter already eliminated as a possible fault source? I remember I recently had quite some "fun" fixing an analog multimeter where there was leakage (not even high voltage leakage, it ended up putting the ohms battery in circuit at unexpected times) from movement to meter face to meter mounting screws through some degraded electrical tape below the meter face to the battery contacts.... I'd be tempted to have at every front panel control that is still connected to anything with just the rectifier in with an insulation tester...
@RickGreenPhoto
@RickGreenPhoto Ай бұрын
Buy a Cesium standard :) 🕰
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
Thought about it. Cs is about 10X the cost of Rb so I need to hang in the Rb world for a little while longer.
@dimitriapproved
@dimitriapproved Ай бұрын
@25:56 can't be the GPS self correcting, the jitter is faster than 1s...its whatever jittery oscillator the leo unit is using. The fast jitter looks like it's a VCTCXO (eeeek!)
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
I did the ADEV analysis on the Leo unit the 2 port and found that is was much looser then the 10Mhz fix references. This is to be some what expected because the Leo is adjustable not fixed and can span 400 Hz to 810 Mhz.
@dimitriapproved
@dimitriapproved Ай бұрын
@19:38 they are ALL GPSDOs , yes even the mighty Rubidium. Some GPSDOs use "crappier" oscillators. But if oscillates and its being "disciplined", it's a GPSDO. :)
@thatampguy
@thatampguy Ай бұрын
I’m always shocked when they make it through shipping alive. So risky. People like to launder broken gear through a courier.
@thatnod
@thatnod Ай бұрын
Did KZfaq remove the audio, I think I need this repair too! No idea whats going on tho, total silence!
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
You tube did not remove the audio. This was the first video I ever made for the channel and it was record with the on camera mic. The audio that came though was horrific and unusable. The micro switch under the button flattened out and stopped working The repair was to replace the micro switch that was the actual button under HAT switch. In my cause the fault was in the right hand hat switch the DOWN position. Looks like I spent a bit to much time in elite dangerous.
@TheGrantourismo
@TheGrantourismo Ай бұрын
Intel hi-end 13 and 14-gen CPUs are very buggy, why not AMD Ryzen 8 & 7-gen CPUs, which are significantly faster, cheaper and more stable.
@PierreVdm-fc3dl
@PierreVdm-fc3dl Ай бұрын
Hello, I continue to have problems with the R control board, the bias cannot be adjusted, it remains at 275mV and the VR402 potentiometer does not respond. All transistors have been replaced and the capacitor of the input has also been replaced. I have an audio signal, but bias does not adjust. What am I overlooking? Can you give advice? Icoon voor Geverifieerd door de community
@scrook1027
@scrook1027 Ай бұрын
I bought one of these, there is about zero info on them. I'm curious about the tracking led status. Initially the led flashed quite fast. After about a day it slowed to about one flash a second. Then it started to flash fast again. Does anyone know if this is normal. The antenna is outside and in the clear.
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
From what I saw on the instrumentation the slow flash is when the unit is locked and stable.
@scrook1027
@scrook1027 Ай бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios Thanks. It took about 24hrs after I first pugged it in to slow flash. Just sitting there it started to fast flash and after about 2 days it is now slow flashing. I wonder if there is something wrong with it.
@NicksStuff
@NicksStuff Ай бұрын
I could not find a series on a full repair of a 465 (non-B). Have you done one?
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
I should be some 465 content on the channel but I am not sure if I have done a full calibration and alignment video yet. I think in this new batch of equipment I got for the repair que there are some non B 465's. If i recall correctly the alignment process for the 465 and 465B are very similar.
@NicksStuff
@NicksStuff Ай бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios What about diagnostic and things to check? Like the dozen transistors you have to check first on the 475 you did
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
After further investigation it seems I got that wrong on the 475 and have switched stance on that. For the transistors leave them in place until they prove themselves faulty. The reverse diode was because this was a 1.4 Ghz part. For starters on a 465 assume the attenuators will need service and cleaning. (EVERYTHING) I have put on the bench has needed cleaning due to age. Even gold plated they still oxidize and need service. Time base sections seem to be more reliable. Check the power rails for shorts. If no shorts a power up might be attempted if the condition warrants it. After power up check the power rails for correct voltage and ripple. At this point there might even be a trace on the screen sweeping. If there is check for a noisy vertical (expect to find this) try servicing the attenuators in place if possible these can be awful to dig out of the scope). Disturbing the attenuators will then require some alignment as this area is very sensitive to capacitive changes and wave shaping. But if not doing a full alignment check for proper voltage deflection and attenuator function. Check sweep timing this should be mostly working. Most of the sweep issues I have run in to were power supply issues. At this point the scope should be working 90-95% a full alignment will bring out any more related bugs and cross the finish line to 100% but this can require some exotic signals. A 465B is really just a 465 with a MUCH better amplification chain. The 465 struggled to meet its 100Mhz rated bandwidth where the 465B can hot 120 to 150 and was tuned DOWN to 100Mhz at the time of sale.
@NicksStuff
@NicksStuff Ай бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios Thank you! I thought they were built differently, the 465B using many ICs while the 465 was purely transistor-based. But maybe I remember all that wrong.
@NicksStuff
@NicksStuff Ай бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios Thanks!! I thought the B used some ICs (so easier to manufacture, harder to fix) when the normal version was transistor-only. Maybe I misremember
@MarqueeLongbow
@MarqueeLongbow Ай бұрын
I just got a 577 and repaired the totally messed up PS that had a previously terrible attempted repair . Got it working but have not done a calibration yet. I also have a 575 that I got over a year ago and would love a video on that. I replaced one tube on it and it somewhat works. But i have not dived into deeply into it. Any chance on doing one?
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
Unfortunately non at the moment. I currently do not have the hardware to put in front of the camera.
@mikesradiorepair
@mikesradiorepair Ай бұрын
When my old HP GPS time and frequency reference receiver finally kicked the bucket I got a new Stanford Research Systems GPSDO and frequency counter with optional rubidium time base. Best of both worlds, GPS and rubidium. However, you could probably buy a rather large pile of those little GPSDO's for what I paid for the SRS one new. If I only worked on HF/VHF/UHF transceivers one of those little things would probably be fine. In my case I also work on SHF and EHF transceivers. A tiny error in the 10MHz reference to one of the EHF radios can cause a frequency error of hundreds if not thousands of Hertz error.
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
I have a similar set up here. I have a GPS unit steering a FS725. It is the same physics package but I do have have the associated frequency counter.
@lmamakos
@lmamakos Ай бұрын
Battery could be for the GPS receiver module so it can preserve the GPS/GNSS satellite almanac or ephemeris data to improve time-to-first-fix times.
@foxale08
@foxale08 10 күн бұрын
This is correct. If the battery is removed the gps takes much longer to start up.
@AmishSpecialForces
@AmishSpecialForces Ай бұрын
I have three of the 575’s, all the higher voltage Mod122C models. The most expensive one was $350+ shipping. They’re well worth it IMHO. But I’m partial to the old tube 500 series Tektronix stuff.
@keithnoneya
@keithnoneya Ай бұрын
Nice I have a PACE PRC2000 also known as a Model PPS400 and those Pencil Soldering Irons PS 80/90's etc give out all the time, and they start at like $135.00 each without a tip. Of course in a production or repair center, these tips can go through as many as 20 cycles in a day all week long, and sometimes are on almost 7-8 hours a day for days in a row until the weekend comes. However I just might have to figure what Hakko is doing and adapt them into the PACE Station. One thing I do like about the PACE station Irons is the tips are changeable on the irons without having to unscrew the iron or change it out all together. I also like the Temperature Setback Mode, basically it's an idle mode where you can ask it to keep the tip warm but not hot, like if you go to lunch or the restroom. After you take it off Setback Mode it warms right back up fast. When I went to school for soldering, the basic rule for us was to choose a tip and wattage large enough that you could get a full wet and be on and off the joint in 3 seconds or less. Large ground planes obviously require a larger mass tip and the SMT's with leads attached used the smallest tips. Again the basic idea was the smaller the lead or area, the smaller the tip to keep the iron from transferring to much heat to the board. A really good primer on the video bud. I loved that you talked about the humidity and iron components, I never knew that one. Thanks for sharing, love the channel, you are way under subscribed to that's for sure. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
Thanks! The hakko irons have a switch built in to the stand when the iron is at rest there is a set back mine drops to about 350 degrees F. it is not instant there is about a 2-3 minute delay before setback kicks in reheat takes about 15 to 30 seconds when the iron is picked back up again. This is also true for the micro and N2 iron as well.
@bfx8185
@bfx8185 Ай бұрын
I'm one of those who love HF tips (Thermaltronics TMT-5000S system) Beneficial is that it throw much more power in short time. Therefore even smaller tips don't need so much mass. (I have experience with JBC, Weller WX system and some Chinese stuff as well) Changing the tips is really necessary only in case of massive thermal mass like big ground planes or power components. And for those I have only one tip. The rest is for low temp only different style depends on type of components. Most used is 3mm chisel after that conical and last sharp tip. What I'm missing in Thermaltronics offer is microwave (chisel tip with small hollow in the center)
@bonemealmc
@bonemealmc Ай бұрын
I agree! I absolutely love my Metcal MX-500.
@jspencerg
@jspencerg Ай бұрын
Thanks for followup about soldering. I am learning especially in regards to understanding what is a reasonable amount of time expected to heat a joint without damage. Now to master the real art of soldering because we need three hands! Big Clive with his big hands, nonetheles demonstrates real dexterity in soldering.
@PapasDino
@PapasDino Ай бұрын
Good soldering stations, both Hakko and Weller (have both), that will keep up the heat transfer can surprisingly attach a PL-259 or N silver connector to the end of a 100' of LMR400 cable...surprised me the first time I was able to do that. 73 - Dino KLØS
@Runco990
@Runco990 Ай бұрын
Great Video! Soldering IS an art, I think. I certainly know people that are soldering for decades and still BLOB it on..... Cough*** 12volt vids ****cough.... 😉 And of course we should really talk about the importance of FLUX!! I have been soldering since about 10 or so. My first, and I still have it.. is a Weller gun. Today I cannot imagine using that thing on anything any longer. I have gone from it, to Pace, to Weller, to Hakko, to Metcal. Aaandddd..... stayed with Metcal. The Hakko for me is a close second, and I'd recommend them to anyone. Absolute safe bet. Same for the DE-soldering gun, and absolute MUST if you do a lot of work. But to me, the Metcal is IT. It can push so much power when needed, I just never needed anything else from surface mount to soldering a stud to a metal chassis. BUT.... they are expensive. I got mine used, of course. BTW, try a HOOF tip! Best of both worlds and much nicer for drag soldering. ( And DAMN!! Those old Tek Scopes are works of art! ) 😍
@BobDarlington
@BobDarlington Ай бұрын
Used Metcal for the win.
@lawrencelederer5060
@lawrencelederer5060 Ай бұрын
With over 50 years of experience soldering, I found your advice very sound. I particularly agree with the fact that soldering is a bit of an art. Buying some cheap kits and putting them together for practice is a good way to learn. Then try working on that $1,000 transceiver, when you feel confident Two items I would add. 1) The solder is hot enough when it turns shiny. 2) Learn to minimize the amount of solder needed to make a strong joint. Globs of solder are not good. Also get a good de-soldering gun, solder suckers work but get a bit tedious when having to replace multiple parts, such as recapping an old piece of equipment.. That should be a good topic for a follow up video.
@keithnoneya
@keithnoneya Ай бұрын
Yep I agree. I've been soldering for over 25 years. For multiple mass removal of IC's with legs or through the board holes I found just cutting the legs off next to the component and leave the leg on the board. Then use a set of resistive tweezers to grab the legs while pulsing the peddle every second and pulling at the same time get the board clear quickly and works extremely well. It keeps the solder sucker from over heating the board and most of the time the tweezers will leave a nice rectangle hole in the through pad. After all the component legs are off, then go back and quickly remove the solder from all the holes with the solder sucker. Of course that only works if you don't want to save the components to put on another board. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
@pilobond
@pilobond Ай бұрын
I have a 465 with ch 1's 10x indicator burned out. Would be amazing if you have a chance how to get to these bulbs... Hopefully without too much disassembly.
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
unfortunately that one is a TASK to get those unburied. Changing the lamps is not an easy job.
@MichaelRusso
@MichaelRusso Ай бұрын
I bought one at a good price. I am thinking of using banana plugs so I can use different cables, however, I see on lines are grounded. Not sure how that will work out. I might test before committing.
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
The cables are shielded for the lowest ranges.
@MichaelRusso
@MichaelRusso Ай бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios I am assuming to reduce outside noise at the lower voltages. Pretty much my thought. A BNC connector and cable with a alligator on the end might work but that has it's down side too.
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
For these cables it is also important to connect the shield ONLY on one end not both. It will throw things off if there is current flowing in the shield. Ground loops can be hair pulling to track down.
@iRepairElectronics
@iRepairElectronics Ай бұрын
I thought I wanted one of these. But after seeing what you did to make it work. I’ll pass.
@AndrewandDebbie
@AndrewandDebbie Ай бұрын
Do you also have the Leo Bodnar GPS reference? Wondering how they compare. I'm in the UK and should probalby just get LBE-1420 . . .
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
I have a dual port leo that I will be putting through the same testing as a reference.
@andrewfischer1356
@andrewfischer1356 Ай бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios Look forward to the video.
@BobDarlington
@BobDarlington Ай бұрын
Check the time-nut archives. The Leo Bodnar units test pretty poorly compared to something like a Trimble Thunderbolt. It may meet your needs tho.
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
My testing agrees to the Time-nuts results (video will be out shortly) I was kind of curious if there was an abnormality but this does tend to confirm the results. One critical note on the leo is is NOT a fixed output. My is adjustable from 10 Hz to 400 Mhz with 2 ports. With that range of adjustment I would expect there to be some stability degradation when tested with a fixed and tuned for stability 10Mhz.
@cashfdy2629
@cashfdy2629 Ай бұрын
Measuring GPSDO requires the Allan variance
@CraigPetersen12f36b
@CraigPetersen12f36b Ай бұрын
I have one of these units as well with date code 2020-06-10. I have compared mine against my Rubidium standard and I'm getting similar results to yours using a HP 5371A Frequency and Time Interval Analyzer. I have also characterized the unit using Time Lab, and for the money, it's certainly a very cost effective option than using a Cesium standard. I have had no issues monitoring the unit with Lady Heather.
@BobDarlington
@BobDarlington Ай бұрын
Everything is a cost effective option vs cesium standard. ;-)
@delray-qj3qb
@delray-qj3qb Ай бұрын
very interesting video, thank you for making it. do you have some explanations for dummies on what Allen deviation is and how to measure it properly ? in your examples, I see you are changing gate time. what is that about changing the gate time for Allen deviation?
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
Allen Deviation is a really good way to sum together all the “Noise sources” and roll them in to a number for easy comparison. The lower the Allen Deviation the better the oscillator “typically” The gate time is a way to control the sample window of interest. Some equipment has a long measurement time and the more the oscillator moves around the less stable the measurement. Changing the gate time longer also gets some of the slowing drifting from peak to peak. A gate time of 1ms will be far less sensitive to the oscillator walking over the course of several minutes then one of 100 to 200 seconds. At the longest gate time the measurements took 2.5 hours to complete Where as a longer gate time will average out the high frequency noise and make an oscillator look more stable then it really is. Hence why I built the Excel sheet with several gate times, but ALL gate times were sampled 100 times. So there is a sampling of high speed as well as low speed stability. This comes in to play if measurements of interest are 1 to 10 seconds or is something is being monitored for weeks, months, years.
@hksunchaser1
@hksunchaser1 Ай бұрын
adjust the line voltage everytime after putting different tubes ? thx
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
Yes this is due to the tube under test variations in filament current draw and transformer loading. The voltage drop of the transformer and rectifier are very current dependent. At 12AX7 will load the transformer quite differently than a 6L6.
@hksunchaser1
@hksunchaser1 Ай бұрын
@@ZenwizardStudios thx
@seanrastsmith5094
@seanrastsmith5094 Ай бұрын
Curious where you found the calibration items for the DM44. Have a 465 w/dm44, and the 465 doesn't show anything for it. Is the info in the 475 service manual applicable for the 465 w/dm44? Edit: Nevermind. Found a DM44 service manual. For others, it says "Instruction Manual" on the front, but has calibration data in it. It is a standalone document for the one I found, rather than with the 465.
@ZenwizardStudios
@ZenwizardStudios Ай бұрын
One other thing to note on a unit with the DM/44 skip the time base calibration that is in the service manual for the scope the time base is calibrated in the DM44 service manual.