How so?

No, there's no alternative approach that wouldn't include huge downsides itself. The reserve PC here wasn't really trapped into the burble (also: It was not a burble caused by the main PC but a burble caused by the Skydiver itself). I've seen (and experienced) much worse hesitations of spring loaded pilot chutes. Whenever you launch a spring loaded PC vom a belly position, you'll never now what will happen. Most of the times the PC will launch pretty fast. I some cases it will dance around into the burble and in some rare cases the hesitation lasts for a couple of seconds. Decades ago, Relative Workshop (today known as UPT) introduced the balloon reserve PC. They claimed that it would perform much better in these situations. I'm not sure. I've also seen hesitations of these pilot chutes. Additionally, other people claimed that this special construction would come with it own problems, namely a reduced drag that could (!) result in hesitations in low speed cutaways (which are much more common than high speed malfunctions). So, dealing with a large burble caused of a belly flying skydiver is not an easy task for gear manufacturers. As soon as you solve one problem, you can create another problem. So, alternatively, what could the Skydiver do in this situation? He could lean a little bit to the side to reduce the burble - in this case, you never know, if the main PC would be also released - so, you could create another problem. Skydiving is a risky activity. In my opinion, the goal should be to prevent pc in tow malfunctions and/or horshoe malfunctions as follows: - Always pull in a good, stable body position. Practice stable pulls and a good release of the main pc. - Double check, if the main PC was properly cocked. - Be sure that your gear is in good shape. Wear and tear especially of the following components is critical: Main pc, kill line, bridle, main-pin and loop. - Be sure that the bridle is routed properly. - Be sure that the main PC is packed well (no hard pull, no excess bridle coming undone)

He has a 3rd canopy on his waist

@@benbazy9238 Does he really?

Yes, they have 3 canopys because they intentionally created a malfunction in the first, for demonstration

How is cutting away with your PC still in its pocket going to result in your main flapping around? I agree that cutting away is not the best EP in this scenario, for a number of reasons… 1) if wastes time, which is important at terminal 2) if your reserve blows-up then you are out of options if you’ve cut away. If your main is still connected then you at leases have a chance of getting your main out and having something above your head. I know someone who is alive today because they didn’t cut away from a total.

@@25sunbeam If you cannot get your PC out of the pocket by hand there is every likelyhood that no amount of drag from your d bag or whatever shape your main ends up in if it comes out of the d bag will pull your PC out either so you will end up trailing a big mess behind you. If that mess is flapping around above your head you may open your reserve into it. If not you might end up trailing a partly inflated main. If avoiding a potentially fatal accident doesnt make sense then think of it as a time and cost issue. If cutting away your main does in fact somehow yank your PC out of the pocket then you may spend the next few hours or days combing the countryside looking for your kit. If you dont find it you will be buying some more. Golden rule. If there is nothing out dont cut away.

@@admiralbenbow5083 I still don’t understand how you’re expecting the main deployment bag to come out of the container if you don’t pull the main PC. You seem to be saying that deploying the reserve will break the main closing loop and you’ll end-up with the main D-bag out, causing a horseshoe. Where did that idea come from?

@@25sunbeam That idea came from you. Are you really incapable of comprehending that your pilot chute is attached to your main and will probably remain stuck in the little pocket at the base of your rig when you cut away, or is that a step too far for you?? Your muddle headed stupidity no doubt extends to the rest of your participation in this sport if indeed you have ever jumped a all. As such you are a danger to yourself and by extension those around you. I do not want to be on your next load.

Master Rigger had a policy, “reserve opens or your money back”.

@@50buttfish Yeah wouldn't have anyone to handle the money back to after that, so seems like a win-win policy for the packer lol

What if you can't pull any harder, mr. Hercules?

@@TheGrundigg It's just nylon. I'm ripping the hacky off the pilot chute before I'm cutting away for this

@@clutchnixon5880 So you're sacrificing altitude. nice

@@TheGrundigg I only my license 1 year ago. I'm pretty sure this malfunction was never mentioned. If you pull hard enough it's gonna come out

@@clutchnixon5880 Or it might not. Maybe there's a knot or a loop that makes it impossible. But you do you

this is done on purpose since you can also see hes wearing a 3rd parachute on his belly..

There is a difference between teaching a total beginner and a more experienced jumper. You want to keep things as simple as possible with someone new to the sport, to prevent them from mixing things up. Horseshoe malfunctions are very rare. Maybe these videos are used in a starter course, I don't know.

@@DrDeepstack NO - and that's the point. This video CAN NOT BE used in a starter course. It can not be used in ANY COURSE ( or maybe yes - as an great example how to DO NOT react no matter what ). I agree - horseshoe is rare and one of the most dangerouse mal You can get. ALSO - this is THE ONLY ONE mal when "standard" reaction right-left handle - may KILL YOU. No AFF instructor - and i know MANY of them - DO NOT teach to deal with it in the way You can see on a movie above. This is against USPA rules ( also if somebody ask me - against common sense ). Just one big, fat NO.

@@marcingala. hence the stevens lanyard ... for students .... its been awhile ... el cap 588 nite base 277

She called the cops, horrible advice. Now I'll never know if she wanted to go out or not.

What if the main pilotchute was halfway out because of the pulling and decides to open anyways at same time as reserve

@@game1boy1007 Onceyou pull the reserve, the main is not attached to you anymore

@@TheGrundigg no, thats only if you chop the main chute first.

@game boy 007 you're right, it can deploy randomly if you don't chop it

@@andreinistor6162 Yeah, you don't know why you can't pull it, when you pull reserve the container for the main suddenly gets more room and there is a hard shock because of the reserve opening, that might be enough to undo whatever made the main not open in the first place.

They jump with 2 reserves for these demos.

He’s still falling

That was how I had made up my mind to deal with it back when I used to skydive. Glad I never had to though. Also as a working joe, I never tossed my cutaway & reserve handles because they were too expensive.

The USPA recognizes both methods as valid, each having its advantages and disadvantages

@@jumpmasterjm What are the advantages of cutting away in this situation? I could see how it might be better just to teach a student one method so as not to confuse them and waste precious altitude during a high speed malfunction, but besides that why would you ever want to cut away a total malfunction?

@@jaffacalling53 Dynamic shock when opening the reserve can easily dislodge the main's pin, and you will have two out. In the worst case, your main will open into your reserve and mess it up.

You're thinking of a tandem jump where the Tandem instructor deploys a drogue chute during freefall. The purpose of this is to slow the tandem pair to a speed as if they were just a single jumper. A single jumper doesn't throw a pilot chute until deployment time. In a perfect jump of a single jumper, which almost all are, when the pilot chute is pitched, it grabs good, clean air and is pulled upward, pulling the bridle from the bridle cover on the side of the rig. When the bridle has reached line length, it pulls the closing pin from the closing loop. 4 flaps open and the deployment bag, which is connected to the bridle lifts out of the container as the bridle continues line length. The lines that are stowed on the deployment bag begin to pop out of the stowes as the d bag continues line length. Once all the stowes are released, the d bag is pulled off the canopy or from the other direction if you wanna look at it that way, the canopy is pulled from the d bag. The lines that were stowed are connected to the canopy on one end and the risers on the other. The risers pull out of the container by releasing either tuck tabs or magnetic covers. Air fills the nose cells of the canopy and the canopy begins to inflate. All this happens, to a perfectly flying canopy, within 3-5 seconds in a perfect world. In this case, when the pilot chute was pitched, it done it's job, but something was causing the closing pin not to be able to be pulled from the closing loop, resulting in a pilot chute in tow.

Tandems do that. One for stability. Two for speed reduction.

@@admiralbenbow5083 Speed reduction only. Stability is supposed to be achieved through good body position and flying by the instructor. That's done on every jump before the drogue is thrown.

Watched a seminar with John Leblanc at the BPA expo a few weeks ago. He showed us a video of trying to get both the main and the reserve pilot chute to interact with each other whilst simultaneously deploying both. Try as they might PD couldn't get an interaction, over dozens of jumps. John even said it began to annoy him how he couldn't get anything to happen. It's chopping away 2 out that causes issues. As for pulling the pin manually by the bridal well - this can only work if your pilot chute isn't cocked and generating enough force to begin the deployment sequence. If a cocked PC isn't pulling the pin with it's 70+ lbs of force then your arm behind your back definitely will not. Don't waste time messing about, just pull the reserve.

A bunch of people have bounced tugging on that pilot chute bridle. Just pull your reserve