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@nicksregor4208
@nicksregor4208 Күн бұрын
power supply filtering??
@3045mc
@3045mc Күн бұрын
You have lost your reverse polarity protection , no?
@ArrakisOCE
@ArrakisOCE Күн бұрын
This looks like a fairly generic digital build - I think all their pedals are the same in terms of components. They just put on a new avant-garde screen print and change the firmware per model. For the price, you would be far better off investing in digital plugins. Where are these PCB's made? China? I find it ironic that the company pretend to be a bunch of hipsters yet peddle lifeless digital platforms like this as opposed to analog circuitry.
@ArrakisOCE
@ArrakisOCE Күн бұрын
This is fairly well built. I wish they made a mini pedal version of this circuit.
@tbgtbg6311
@tbgtbg6311 2 күн бұрын
Sorry if I missed it, but how on earth does this 9Volt provide proper plate voltage for the tube? Real amps need voltage! Disappointed that a boutique high-dollar pedal has the pots soldered directly to the board.
@ArrakisOCE
@ArrakisOCE 2 күн бұрын
WoW, I thought this pedal was fully analog! Great channel btw, love the teardowns. Please, please do some Walrus and OBNE pedals! I'm very keen to actually see how much of the signal retains an analog dry thru and whether the wet effects are all just FV-1 chips with slight coding mods or not.
@philosophiaentis5612
@philosophiaentis5612 5 күн бұрын
Are the audio inputs and outputs ballanced?
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 5 күн бұрын
I don't believe so.
@Erich823
@Erich823 6 күн бұрын
I want to make patch cables myself but the store only have trs angled jacks in stock. Do they work if I leave the ring unused?
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 6 күн бұрын
yes, or you can also connect the ring to ground/sleeve.
@Erich823
@Erich823 6 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec thanks.
@ivonsmith4255
@ivonsmith4255 6 күн бұрын
I just got an old Ceriatone Centura - from Malaysiaa - I live in Malaysia too, its great. I also got an old 1994 Mesa Boogie V Twin valve OD pedal - have you done a teardown of one of them? BTW Ceriatone is a Malay word for Happy/Joyful tone and is pronounced "Cherry-a-tone" 🙂- you probably know they make amazing affordable amp clones too of all the best amps all by hand in a small workshop
@jturquoise
@jturquoise 9 күн бұрын
Is there a way to do this without soldering the pots directly to the pcb?
@greenguitarfish
@greenguitarfish 9 күн бұрын
I think it would have made sense to investigate more before you took it apart. If you had checked the sound of the pedal and the battery first, you likely would have known the main problem, but you still would have wanted to investigate those large pots and correct that, so….its all good.
@spacewolf9585
@spacewolf9585 10 күн бұрын
Is a Foxy Tone box in the future for a tear down? I have built a couple of clones of the original circuit that JD Sleep based his kit on and am curious about any differences that may be there.
@spacewolf9585
@spacewolf9585 10 күн бұрын
Super cool info! Thanks again for sharing your experience and the information you have found.
@spacewolf9585
@spacewolf9585 10 күн бұрын
Probably the best and most thorough explanation in terms that most pedal builders and tinkerers can relate with, this clears up a lot of the discrepancies between different articles and information shared about Beta(hFE) choices in fuzz or other circuits that rely heavily on certain values. It definitely explains why my own results have varied or matched with theirs over the past two decades of my electronics exploration of music related circuits, including the fact that I have used so many different types and brands of testing devices and methods!😅 Love the whole channel and content.
@hekakain4108
@hekakain4108 12 күн бұрын
Just ordered this pedal and would like to know what does it sound like (through your guys amps)? I bought the Soma because I've already bought the Lightspeed , Burning Goat and the Southlander...these pedal are fantastic so I'm assuming the Soma will be the same. Great teardown bud...
@MrMrjauregui
@MrMrjauregui 13 күн бұрын
Hi!. Are all the small components included in the kit, or is it just the bare board,? Great video!
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 12 күн бұрын
I believe it's just the PCB, I don't think they offer a full kit.
@MrMrjauregui
@MrMrjauregui 12 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec Thanks for the reply 👍
@Amp_Expert
@Amp_Expert 13 күн бұрын
One thing to note is R3. It's showing a 4k7 resistor, but I have seen stock D+ pedals with 1k in this slot!! We should understand what that one change does and net effect of lowering it. According to the Wampler Distortion Plus MODS page one can find, Mike says changing the 4.7k to 1k and the 4n7 to .22uF increases gain but does not change the high frequency response! Doing another search for the video "How MXR Distortion + Reinvented Drive Circuits | Gain Appreciation", at 3:16 in, it shows you the formula for Gain = 1+(1M/(gain know resistance+resistor)), which is 1+(1000000/0+4700) = 214 = +46dB. Changing the 4k7 to 1k would result in = 1+(1000000/0+1000) = 1,000! So about a 5x increase in distortion. Not sure what that equates to dB, but > +46dB!!
@gigimdzevashvili6766
@gigimdzevashvili6766 13 күн бұрын
Good job, it's a cool work. Where can I see the wiring diagram for this work?
@johnnyexponential7229
@johnnyexponential7229 14 күн бұрын
Unless I missed it, you kept the output transformer on-axis with the power transformer through pretty much the whole test. Does moving it away from that axis also have an effect? Thanks for the video, anyway. Very interesting.
@jutukka
@jutukka 15 күн бұрын
I have learned a " three times 90 degrees turn" rule. So first transformers are side by side so that coils and iron both are in same direction, and then you turn the OT so that coil turns 90 degrees, and the second 90° turn around another axel so that "iron" turns 90° as well. And third time with different axel again. So after those three turns both coils and irons are fully in 90 ° position, in all 3 dimensions or axels, to each other and the magnetic interaction is minimized. And yes, still after that, using headphones you can find the sweet spot of lowest hum. The problem with this rule is of course that if the construction and mounting holes or brackets are identical in both trannies and only in one position, you cannot mount those transformers on a same surface without an extra 90 corner bracket or something like that.
@scramblesthedeathdealer
@scramblesthedeathdealer 16 күн бұрын
I just breadboarded my first pedal, a Copper Sound Pedals Silicone Fuzz DIY kit... now I just need to figure out how to adapt it into an old Boss compact pedal enclosure. Maybe next, I will try one of these with Germanium transistors, like Josh, but I want it to be AC powered.
@TubelabCom
@TubelabCom 16 күн бұрын
I built a smaller 4 tube 4 watt push pull amp on a Hammond 1444-14 (9 X 5 X 2 inch) chassis about 10 years ago. The amp used cheap (under $1 each) series string radio tubes on a PC board and my power transformer was a Triad N-68X which is considerably smaller than yours. I was concerned that the chassis was a bit weak, but it has stood the test of time and has been dropped onto to a carpet over concrete basement floor twice before I made a cabinet for it with no ill effects other than one broken tube. A longer guitar cord fixed the dropped amp issues.
@charlesdeal771
@charlesdeal771 16 күн бұрын
Im using a considerably smaller chassis, my transformers are very similar to yours so I'm having to mount mine at 45* . I'm doing the 6AF11, but I cheated and bought a used Zeppelin amp for it's circuit board.
@PM-yz8fx
@PM-yz8fx 16 күн бұрын
wow the most instructing 23 minutes ever for a rookie like me, I am about to buy this pedal, but I thought it was all analog, do you know what's that big microchip? I think you confused the chorus (rich and harmonic) with the more subtle vibrato. Absolutely fantastic video!
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 16 күн бұрын
Not certain, but it's probably to do with the high voltage supply. Probably not in the signal path at all.
@mirarzaamplification902
@mirarzaamplification902 17 күн бұрын
Hi. Is the 540V that you measured goes into the center tapped of the OT? I am currently building a guitar amp the marshall silver jubilee. My concern is that my available PT (from old hi fi system) output around 580V DC. In the amp where I took it that is where the CT of OT is connected. The HT winding has a CT which where they take the low voltage for 6l6 grid and for PI and the negative output from the bridge rec goes to ground. Will it nnot gonna destroy the tube? Is my voltage too high? Im also thinking of using lower voltage around 300V by using half bridge rectification. Is it still ok to run that low coz I see in all marshall amp they use around 450V. Thank you.
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 17 күн бұрын
I assume I grounded the high voltage center tap, so yes that would be 540 to ground and the center tap. You'd want to check the output tubes you're using to make sure you're not exceeding the max plate voltage. I don't recall what that is for 6L6GC, but the datasheet would say under maximum ratings. You also want to make sure you're not exceeding the voltage rating for filter caps. The higher voltage will change the bias point, so the bias circuit/cathode resistor value may have to be tweaked for the higher voltage operation. I would recommend reading up on tube amps at valvewizard.co.uk. Merlin will fill in a lot of blanks. Good luck!
@mirarzaamplification902
@mirarzaamplification902 17 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec thanks for the info. This is what info I am lookings for.
@davebarone506
@davebarone506 18 күн бұрын
Outstanding video, I wish I knew what you know. But very informative, and inspirational Joe, I have a couple of wonky pedals on my junk box , ill dig them out and try some simple remedies.
@tomfoolery2082
@tomfoolery2082 19 күн бұрын
I had the twin 12 thts made after when I was growing up . Pedals were rare bk then .
@steelysam7189
@steelysam7189 20 күн бұрын
Curious about seeing a breakdown of their Centavo
@earfors
@earfors 20 күн бұрын
Built a custom klon, I wouldn’t sell it for less than 5k.
@MrChopemup
@MrChopemup 21 күн бұрын
Hi, just saw your channel. Interesting stuff. I have an Ibanez PDM 1 . When I plug the cable in , it modulates in quick loudness in steps to really loud delay noise. But after about 20 minutes. It’s functional. There’s some white noise there as well. Of course I don’t expect you to troubleshoot , or not even an answer . If It’s capacitors,? cause that’s pretty much all I can change. With my basic knowledge.thanks , from Berlin
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 20 күн бұрын
Feels like capacitors yes. Also maybe a dying battery?
@MrChopemup
@MrChopemup 20 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec hey thanks for writing. There’s no battery in it. Except the back up battery, which is soldered to the board. It’s an interesting pedal. It’s like a rack system in a pedal. But anyway, thank you for your reply. Any more info you wanna share with me that’s great. I’ll let you know if I fixed it. I’m gonna try.
@lethalancaster8022
@lethalancaster8022 21 күн бұрын
Repurposed IBM electrolytes
@charlesdeal771
@charlesdeal771 21 күн бұрын
the heater current on that tube is 1.2a, that's a heavy load.
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 21 күн бұрын
Yep, gotta make sure your power transformer is up to the task. Luckily the 270CAX has a 2.5A 6.3V winding!
@charlesdeal771
@charlesdeal771 20 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec Have you considered the 6AF11? it's a 12 pin, with a high mu triode, medium mu triode and a pentode. It draws a tiny bit over 1a.
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 20 күн бұрын
@@charlesdeal771 That's an interesting tube too. I know there was at least one guitar amp manufacture using compactrons. Might be interesting to do a push pull amp with two 6AF11. I'll look into it. Thanks!
@charlesdeal771
@charlesdeal771 19 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec TWO ?! That's a wild, cool idea!
@rodrigomagalhaes9424
@rodrigomagalhaes9424 22 күн бұрын
what are the specs for the led resistor
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 22 күн бұрын
good values for LED resistors off 9V are anywhere 1k to 10k. 4.7k is a common value for high brightness LEDs.
@richiebricker
@richiebricker 23 күн бұрын
Im guessing stompboxParts is the charity? They wont help me
@richiebricker
@richiebricker 23 күн бұрын
On my second try of building this Rat pedal and have soldered everything perfectly, I get a slight hum when turned up all the way, otherwise a super clear bypass so there is no effect. With nowhere to get troubleshooting advice Im forced to come back here with my now $112 investment of a light up paper weight. Anybody have any clues ?????
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 22 күн бұрын
double check your connections between the input/output jacks and the PCB
@patrickfreuler1376
@patrickfreuler1376 23 күн бұрын
I built and sold about 10 Zendrive clones when people were waiting months for one from Hermida or paying crazy money for used ones on Ebay. I called them Dao & Zen Overdrives. I used a board made by GuitarPCB. When Lovepedal started making them I bought a used Zendrive and A/Bd it with my clone and aside from minor knob setting variations due to potentiometer tolerances, they were the same. I still have one on my board.
@heggy_69
@heggy_69 23 күн бұрын
Wait, those read as zener diodes? I remember analogman saying ceriatone pedals had zener diodes, could he have seen them come up as zeners wnd ran with it lol
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 23 күн бұрын
They're not actually zeners, it's just because there's two diodes back to back. Apologies if I didn't explain that will in the video.
@heggy_69
@heggy_69 22 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec oh yeah i got that I was just saying what if he tested them and they measured as zeners and that's where he got that from or something
@JonnySoundSounds
@JonnySoundSounds 24 күн бұрын
its crazy you could make an amp with that one tube if its a 1 gain stage to the power stage. id go solid state rec also just so its a 1 tube amp
@JonnySoundSounds
@JonnySoundSounds 24 күн бұрын
ive used a push pull output on singled ended you use the center tap and one side and float the other i did it in a single ended princeton build
@oldasrocks9121
@oldasrocks9121 24 күн бұрын
Check out the 6AD10/6AD10-A. Compactron, usually about $5. Not as spicy as your choice but you might need a flea watt in the future!
@wiggyjones
@wiggyjones 24 күн бұрын
Looks like an interesting project.
@koonsickgreen6272
@koonsickgreen6272 24 күн бұрын
Great content once again! But I need to ask a question. Tube Screamer and other overdrive pedal enthusiasts obsess over particular opamps. Yet Klon has 4-5 opamps and no one bats an eye about which brand and/or model. Why is this? Are the opamps for different functions in Klons compared to the drive pedal circuits?
@heggy_69
@heggy_69 22 күн бұрын
I always thought that was interesting too, one of those is a charge pump so it doesn't really matter but the rest do basically what they'd do in a tube screamer or any other opamp pedal yet everyone's focused on the diodes. Maybe opamps don't contain as much magic inside these pedals lol
@lordseph
@lordseph 26 күн бұрын
Holy crap, PCB's from back then had crazy looking trace marks!
@mindfield9832
@mindfield9832 26 күн бұрын
Could just apply some shielding tape to the enclosure instead of rehousing it. If you rehouse it you’ll want to install a full sized momentary switch.
@tomirwinbernier-ll2hm
@tomirwinbernier-ll2hm 27 күн бұрын
Cool amp, Uncle Doug Rules.. Just a couple things I noticed from looking at the schematic, did you remove the caps going into the grids and add grid stopper resistors as it doesn’t have any on the schematic? 34-68k is typical. Also, the plate resistors are pretty high and the plate voltage is a little low.. 100k is normal. You may have done so without mentioning but I don’t know. Nice job though, and still sounds great as is.
@graybenchelec
@graybenchelec 27 күн бұрын
The caps going into V1 are necessary for the grid leak bias to work, so those had to stay. I did not add grid resistors though, no. I generally try to keep vintage amps close to original, same answer for the plate resistors.
@tomirwinbernier-ll2hm
@tomirwinbernier-ll2hm 17 күн бұрын
@@graybenchelec Very cool, I had to look again as I didn’t even realize. The Cathode goes straight to ground. On a side note, I have quite the vintage tube collection (I’m sure you do too), and never noticed a difference between rectifier’s labeled 5Y3 or 5Y3GT, however the 6087 or 5Y3WGTB is very neat as it has an indirectly heated cathode like the 5AR4/GZ34. Try one if you haven’t yet. And thanks for the biasing info!
@tommyaguilar794
@tommyaguilar794 27 күн бұрын
I have a Lovepedal Zendrive Black Magic with that same circuit board and it had a dc jack that wouldn’t work with a battery. It was brand new and I didn’t want to send it back to Lovepedal! The contacts that are supposed to make contact without a dc cable were spread apart so I needed a new jack. I couldn’t get the board out but I found that I could get it out by prying one side with a small flathead to get the jack out and then the other side came up pretty easy. I didn’t need to desolder the jacks. I just took it nice and slow prying between the circuit board and the enclosure. Just replaced the dc jack and it’s good now. I was kind of scratching my head about it but now I know it can be done without breaking anything!
@dvhx
@dvhx 27 күн бұрын
Spice can simulate vacuum tubes, I would start there.
@heggy_69
@heggy_69 27 күн бұрын
I was wondering if you could use solder lug pots on pcb mount holes, you may have saved me buying some more pots lol
@koonsickgreen6272
@koonsickgreen6272 28 күн бұрын
Watched the whole thing. You rock bro. Liked and subscribed!!
@discouragetheghost8981
@discouragetheghost8981 28 күн бұрын
My days of buying distortions, overdrives, or fuzzes made with surface mount components are over. I fully understand the "benefits" but don't believe the "benefits" outweigh the disadvantages to the consumer, unless the production reflected the cost to the consumer, which, in most cases of "boutique" pedals these days, they don't. And if the benefits were to the consumer to use SMD, then every pedal maker would be marketing this info to us. And I don't know anyone who does yet.