Guess that's not a very smart move to disclose their identity and personal life without knowing or demanding their consent as it can influence them not necessarily in a positive way, for instance Rafia seemed dubious about religious believes, existence of God and stuff like this (in another video, I watched) and she openly talked against prevailing traditions in the country, you know. I think if these videos catch mainstream media's or social media's attention in Pakistan, they will do their best to find Rafia and then she will be bombarded with all types of questions about her statements she gave years ago in USA.. Give it a thought.

@@PariSheh1 If shes alive in her 80's

@@xamurai00 i dont really know many people in pakistan who go to 80s. Most begin passing in their late 60s or late 70s (depends on lifestyle).

@@StreetDrilla in northern pakistan ppl live past 100

@@agro9999 fr, my great grandpa lived to be around 120

Probably dead by now

@@tishayadav811 not all of them

@@fakeaccount704 yeah maybe

most likely dead

Agreed

They must be in the early '80s.

@@manoharanmariappan1743 Age is just a number considering their calibre. They might still be contributing more than anyone from our generation..

I want to see how Respected Nalini Nair is doing now ?How was her life ?

@@Bold-Beautiful kuch nahi kar paye 4

@@rajat2333 why ? Is she in India ?

not going to achieve it through public schooling but it is hopefully possible

But they did look down on the Pakistani girl.

@@PickyVickyVindictive wdym? What did they do?

They got tik tok teaching them better!!

There's literally forums like this that still happen today all the time though..and look much the same. But just like (i assume) this forum, kids/young adults get SELECTED to be a part of them so tend to be well educated and open minded in the first place. You can't compare that to the general population and act like it's the same thing.

I think the issue is a lot of them didn't realize how different her life was and what she was up against. They probably saw her as saying it like how we talk about misogyny in the West, which yes it's bad and real, but for her it was almost total oppression she was facing for women.

No, they were just ignorant.

That seems to be a pattern throughout history, the majority follows the heard while the minority are ahead of their time but viewed as crazy. Sadly many people would watch this today and still not properly understand what she was trying to say. People get overly defensive of tradition to the point that they assume you're against everything that is tradition for simply criticizing certain aspects of tradition. People lack nuance and have an all or nothing mentality when it comes to things which is the reason their brains can't properly understand what she actually meant.

Your so beautiful 😍 could it be an Instagram model NO no Instagram frame could capture your great beauty mua 😘

@@noneyours5401 Thank you~ 🥺 I am Sana.. My band is Twice..💜 please listen to our song Feel Special~

Nah without the social media back in the day and hard to travel.Most people lost the contract tho.

They posted letters, cut so many trees to create papers.

@@bratbalal9042 I disagree Mr. Balal. We the genZ's have been misusing more natural resources in a wrong way than these 50's people. Think about it. How much energy does it take to mine a bitcoin ?

Pretty sure some of them wrote letters and send post cards to each other.

@@nia6191 you mean we have to waste the net to earn a bitcoin.

Her statement is reverberating, especially looking at current events in Afghan.

She sounded so worried and helpless for the women in Pakistan. She wants to help for sure but she is the only one who knows the exact situation from her home country. As she said, it is easy to say but it is so hard to convince the elders. She needs a tremendous amount of support. I am with her.

@@shilpashearthome8334 this video is from 1959 and things are much different now as compared to 1959, especially with the rise of feminist movements. Social media has also given a voice to the public.

She stated the situation of women in Pakistan because she began her statement with wanting to change the “situation in pakistan” in line with american standards, and she mentions how that’s not possible if you are a woman in pakistan. She clearly mentioned we need to change our culture and not to follow tradition. She took a huge dump on pakistani culture and tradition and you say she didnt talk about westernisation? What are you smoking?

“I dont believe following all our traditions set by our ancestors will do us any good… let us be realistic and search for todays truth rather than follow tradition for the sake of tradition.” She said all this because she wants to change pakistani standard to living to that of america, and she believes she can do it by convincing pakistanis to drop their tradition. The indian girls response was perfect because the american tradition is to super impose their own customs and way of living on a diversified earth. The beauty of this planet is that we are all different but the americans want to change it by imposing their way of living on everyone and they do this with help of massive armies, guns and missiles, this is a truly barbaric culture; in contrast pakistani culture was much more refined and civilised. We didn’t have a massive police or a judicial system but we still had no problems with crime in the initial stages of our nation and this truly reflects the rich and civilised culture we had. Now as we are changing to a barbaric and uncivilised american culture not only in pakistan but across the world we see people in pakistan changing too, to that of american norms and away from pakistani culture and the impacts of this change are clearly visible, rise in murders, rapes, cheating and fraud. All this is directly related to the selfish american culture and diverting from pakistani culture of humbleness and selflessness.

I wouldn't have assumed it were a debate if something like that happened

It would be nice if leaders were more concerned with peace and cooperation than power.

But peace doesn’t bring profit and that’s why they continue with wars, keeps the money flowing smh

You would think so

She probably got out as she is wealthy. Usually it's the poor who have to stay. I hope her and everyone in Iran all the best though.

yes, I'm also Pakistani so I like her too

Yes, very eloquently spoken, but may be she was reading from her notes @9.22, @9.26. They must had crammed before putting them before the camera. Anyhow I could be wrong

@@nisairshad1650 you don’t have to be a Pakistani to like her! Just be a human being

@@JaspreetSingh-hb2mr yes.. the discussion is scripted actually.. they are not speaking word to word script but idea for exchange of ideas is given to them..

This should be shown to Pakistanis today specially the 'traditional customs' part

I agree, all she was talking about was to give women equal rights. She was well spoken yet misunderstood.

That's the same thing, no? Women's lib started in the west so introducing it will be perceived as westernization

@@MikeJack20 The other girl misunderstood westernizing as also colonizing and war. But colonizing and war is not just a western thing.

Timestamp?

DelsMontgomery, the Majority did not misunderstood the Pakistani girl, only the Indian girl, Nalini, hopelessly misunderstood her. The Pakistani girls thoughts are very progressive. Pakistani society today is as Bigoted and Reactionary as it was in the 1950s, probably, even more so Now.

She hasn’t ☹️. Pakistan is still a place centered around shitty misogynistic sexist and homophobic culture

Yep I feel she was the only girl being honest and logical. She wasn't sugarcoating anything and expressing her genuine concerns. I could only relate to her😭❤❤

what are yall talking about? its a ll in good fun.. no? and of course she was one the MOST confident, articulate and eloquent one?

@@bharatvassee237 If you actually understand English and you took the effort to listen, she was talking about her country and the position of women in society. Unfortunately horrible gender inequality still persists heavily in Pakistan. Almost all the political rallies show almost exclusively men.

@@Blaze6432 what is your point? No one is going to help the women of a terrorist state. Pakistani people have to rise up and save what they think is worth saving.

@@bharatvassee237 You do realize this is from 1959. Idiot. Stop invalidating what women feel from ANY and EVERY country.

“Whamen”

i think the accent sounds quite elegant

@@TheGamingIndian lmaooo this aint discord 😭

@Sai Kaushal i do. a lot of people on the internet think there's just one 'indian accent'. truth is, based off of where you're from and how you grew up your accent is gonna be extremely different. what a lot of people glorify as an elegant indian accent is usually the product of growing up in an area where english is widely spoken (like bombay or goa) or of a quality education. the indians who get made fun of probably never treated english as a primary language and i think it's unfair (and downright racist) how people shit on bad indian english when the same bad grammar and broken sentences are sexy in a french or brazillian accent.

because most of you don't sound like this, if you did it wouldn't be "memed" to death. Just today I heard an Indian guy from India talking in my university. The accent was too much and really funny.

Lol

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yeah, they didn't have jokes back in 1959.

🤣🤣🤣👀facts

LMAO

In saying

In Indian teenagers still usually act as rebellion when it comes India and Pakistan. Since it is from 1959 only 12 years after partition, there must be some influence of patriotic feeling in Nalini for India and in rafia for Pakistan. Rafia was ahead of her time she was talking about women empowerment in her country but she seems very helpless. She was actually saying that only one person cannot bring chnage in society which is very true

I agree with you!

Our people are our enemy.. like the one here that is you... Nalini was right is all aspects. Those who exploited, looted peaceful peaceful nothing less than barbarian

@@gokulvrindavan1858 you are stuck in history !

can you explain more on the superior nor desirable part? Want to know what you mean by that specifically

@@2cool0 I hope you do realise that an idea of superiority of the whites over other cultures and races was what fuelled racism and colonialism. I mean imagine saying a particular thing or idea from your side of the world is superior to the other.

What do u mean by helplessness?I’m an American and from Karachi.Can u explain this helplessness assumption?

@joyd nope hell no. Not everyone

@Big Vk You guys must be so good at making up stories.

Yes

He didn’t get the full American experience at the time. He should’ve went down south and out west and most parts of the north to get racism.

Not to say he didn’t get that, but as a black member of society Gina, that’s the true “american experience” for us

@@CallDuhPopo you are right but why so political? there's good things in america too lol, getting fat is just one of the jokes americans have.

Different time though. You can see “15lbs” then was basically maybe 1 or 2lbs

15 pounds in those times for a student was a lot of money.

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Yes.. her concern was right.. but her understanding that westernisation is completely good is definitely wrong. Every culture has its flaws and everyone should have the openness to accept it and change.

@@sheebagr9702 she dont tbink its completely good.

@Faraz Rajput yeah we can see that when 100s of people tears down the girls dress during flag hosting ceremony

@Faraz Rajput hijab and burka first condition for women in pakistan , very progressive pakistan

it is worse globally...date rape and molestation in western countries,pedophaelia rings,cat-calling,dowry system, online and physical sexual harassment in work places,rest etc

Women in Pakistan is more safe and independent now. so safe your women before she got raped

@@muhammadomar6463 Wtf? Is this warning or threatening? What the fuck was your government doing? Eating popcorn while woman get raped by animalistic monster?

Mind your language

@@muhammadzishaninamdar4755 I think she has missed the word "facts" ( she was spitting facts)

And there was no Internet then.

@@devpratapsingh5000 truee

If in 1959 they get to study in US that means they are no common people. They could be only from extremely educated OT political families, so that they come back and lead their countries. So they need to be this aware of the world. We can imagine how educated leaders were back then as compared to now

These are just the smart ones. People much younger than that today are very aware of the world around them.

I'm 17 it's really not that hard to read a book or go outside and experience things

I like it too, but sometimes nationalism is blinding to what’s obviously wrong with a society. Her responses were cringy at times.

@@hobbessam8296 it depends on how yous see it. Something cringy for you might not be for others

Yes, you are very right. Btw cringy or not, they are all amazing!

@@hobbessam8296 Nationalism was pretty much hard during those times.

It's bad and dangerous and she was imo the least open minded. Any answer was "India great, west culture bad". I mean, if you're gonna be jingoistic and nationalistic and not be open minded and be so adamant then there's not much hope for India. History showed us this was true. You should be proud of your nation and culture but don't put down other cultures to elevate your own. Just speak what's good about your culture and nation.

What regions have we recently colonized?

What does this mean

@@sweeterscience83 yall just left afganistan lmao

@@abeledea620 I’m not sure you know what colonizing means.

It has never been. The us mainly ever economically colonized places

They'll just do a Tiktok or two with the group Nothing progressive can be expected

Now everything gets exchaned through social media. This time won't come back. But the fact is all those boys and girls were "selected" influential chaps from their respective counties.

@@appleoranges9772 they chose the ones who will comply with propaganda

This exists in a big way through groups like Aiisec, Global Shapers etc

I also wish the same...!

Ah I see are u working as a paid review agent?

She was condescending. Not very cool.

Only a person will laugh when the person happy within and out.

@@underdogs703 nope... he's an Indian...and you can see them in every comment section

@@YT_Fearless i saw this reddy everywhere commenting like " look at indians grace, look at indians ass" Is he part of the neo-nazi hindutva sanghi web team🤣?

Don't include subcontinent. Things are getting better and better in Bangladesh, Nepal, Srilanka and India. More women CEOs, officers and engineers. Women have more right than past. It's Pakistan which is radicalizing and raising brutal Islamic values on and on. Terrorizing the whole subcontinent. See what you did to Afghanistan, made that country a hell hole.

@@y.u.so. Stop spreading hate , and are you in your right mind? Majority of women in Nepal Bangladesh and India are living life as a second class citizen just like Pakistani women. Get off your high horse

Same here. Altho I think it's much better than it was back then in terms of women working.

Here Sub continent =Pakistan

@@abhishekarreddy Abhishek I know she is talking about Pakistan but don’t you think it applies to all of the sub continent? We share same history and traditional values. I’m not trying to put down any other country just saying that her concerns were genuine and the issues she’s talking about still persist in all of the sun continent

People are calm, chill and less judgemental today. Don't say that whole youth in 21th century destroyed etc etc. We are happy, chill , achievrs."Every type of people exist in all generations"

@@yelots1 agree 👍in every generation had their mixed options

we didnt have poisonous social media back then.

There were stupid and intolerant people back then too, these teenagers were bunch of smartest kids repping their country on an international platform. I think it's unrealistic to take them as an example and berate our present generation. Teenagers like them still exist.

@@yelots1 It seems like strongly the opposite to me today.

same girl! I’m half and my mother is full blooded. I’m very proud

@@maiamartini9095 same to you boo!! Love & Light 💫

No. That was their ignorance and part stupidity because of lack of social media , education , information and communication. The victims of this include B.R.R.Ambedkar himself. United states was founded on genocide , racism , slavery , anti semitism , anti Catholicism, discrimination against hindus , Asians and so on. This year in 1959 , US was still under fascist Jim Crow laws that privileged white christians against others. No one had any rights. By this time , India already had a sucessful all inclusive democracy. 33% Americans still don't believe in science , vaccines , spherical earth , evolution and modern cosmology. They are bible thumpers. Even villagers in India have better common sense. US failed in Vietnam , Cuba , Iran and now in Afghanistan. India never lost any war except 1962 but that was ONLY because of Nehru's policies and not because India was weak.

@@reconquistahinduism346 What Nehru Policies made India lose against China ?

@@ronnit24 He scrapped the military and the army thinking that the so called irrational , unfounded and delusional Gandhian Ahimsa will win India the 1962 war. He was naive and foolish to trust the Chinese. Chinese pretended to be friends but later launched a strong offensive. Nehru fell for Chinese optics. He also demoralized the army speaking that army is bad , evil and India doesn't want violence and therefore the army. Demoralized cadre never works on the ground. That was the time , the Gandhian non violence myth was broken.

@@ronnit24 Please look at this bro.

Ok thanks but all of this doesn’t sound so concrete, maybe true but kind of speculation is what I feel, if he was such a non violent believer he won’t be having that many funds in army at all, but we did have defense system, I guess maybe it was the first war we fought and we weren’t ready?

May be they were reading, observing more in those times than spend time on TV.

I’m not just impressed but also fallen in love with that Iranian girl Miriam.. wish I could see how she looks like now at 79.. if she is alive 😓 or may be I was her husband in my previous birth.. after that I reborn again now 😶‍🌫️

@@reonvikings8524 Omg! 🤣🤣

No TV, video games and internet back then! Only books

@@doublej5045 true internet has caused us to have some bad habits

So true..

The tiktok disaster (watch pakistan news) shows the views haven't changed 1 bit in 60+ years.

@@tula__ ikr people still have the same mindset, if not even worse.. uh imagine how disappointed they are

Very true

Okay because you watch

Humm but that time they like niylon saree but now full in burqa thinking almost change

@@bitcoearn3288 You are completely unaware of Pakistan & its people. We are very educated & well articulated then ever before. You are bias & need education before commenting.

@@bitcoearn3288 Oh India mi 20 crore muslim mi 90% burqa walay ha...? Aur Pakistan mi kitnay % pata ha?

@Bam Bam Tuivasa Nasha kiya hoa😂🤣

@@fareehan1 I don't think so. Indian and Pakistanis are liberal and secular only when they are in western countries. There is different between well educated and tolerant or liberal society. There is no use of education without liberal rational thinking. I am sure no one can criticize or question islam and no one can talk about reforms that's Islam needs to make Pakistan a tolerant and secular society. 90 percent Pakistanis are hardcore Muslim and that the problem..

Yeah I'm amazed to see so much class and politeness. Nowadays, most people just speak with arrogance and hatred in their tone of voice.

@@sonanvatsal900 ikr even the well educated ppl aren’t well trained and it’s sad

@@sonanvatsal900 you have an arrogant tone right now lol

Nowadays is a joke compare to back in the days

that’s literally not how everyone talks lmao. even so, not everything can stay the same forever.

Even though they're using the same language people can interpret things in different ways. Like an engine in cars or machines, you buy two of the same kind, perform the same purpose, but you won't know if one is as efficient as the other.

I knew the kind of freedom she was talkin about; especially when it comes to women's freedom in South Asia. Till date there are certain parts of South Asia where women are not taken seriously and regarded as nothing more than a care taker of their family. She has to act in the way the society wants to and not the way she wants to.

@Bam Bam Tuivasa Alhamduullilah Allah will bless you with jahannum 😂😂

@Bam Bam Tuivasa Dream on 😝😝

@@dikshasingh3750 u keep dreaming

Society is like this now. You just live under a rock or refuse to listen to those who are like this. If anything society was nothing like this back then and this is literally just 20 kids of millions of people who were able to openly and respectfully share their opinions. Almost everyone was racist misogynistic and homophobic back then. Even amongst these kids, you can’t sit and act like it was suspicious that they only stayed quiet when the black kids made jokes but laughed at everyone else.

@Pokemontas shut up...I'm not talking about their physique.

@Pokemontas you born on plumber who visited your home..so shut up.

@Pokemontas bro, Its easy. Let me explain "same blood" to you, It means, both are from same parents. But the pakistani girl was kidnapped and forcefully converted to islam while the indian girl was not. Its very easy to understand man. I think thats why pakistani girl wanted to fight for women rights and indian girl wanted to fight for tradition.

@Pokemontas fucking relax he meant that their ideologies were similar in what they were talking about, not their ethnicities or races. There’s really no need for you to be this hostile tf.🙄

Absolutely.

Uh, no? Women can wear suits too.

Totally agree 👍💯

Samee I wonder what happened to her and the other students, they should be in their 70s now... the Same age as my grandparents!

It saddened me to listen to her she was misunderstood and was ahead of her time.

I grew up in the USA and i can say there are a lot of women rights issues back home. Even women who are loved & treated well by theif family get a lot of shelter, while men get away with heinous behavior.

@Loco Guano it’s your choice to decide what you believe but it is based on ancient vedantic ideas. Since I’ve studied it I recognize the rhetoric she was going for. But if you say things out of context, which, fairly, she did, it sounds a bit ridiculous. Theory of relativity can sound like bollocks if it’s ill -explained and rushed.

@Loco Guano it’s okay if you don’t agree with the notion. Doesn’t really change anything for anyone.

@Loco Guano take care brother

@Loco Guano Back to reddit with you. And I'm not even hindu.

I caught existential crisis

Trivandrum n she is soo confident n had always a smile through out her debate.. Pakistan girl looked sad n serious n confused..

malayalees only in these interviews

You meant Indian, Malayali passport doesn't exist.

Nalini, wondering where is she now!

@@summersummer6688 There is a Malayalee passport.

I had tears in my eyes. The grace and kindness!

Today people have lost the dignity and fall so low while discussing something. They try to force their opinions on others and if the opinions don't match they start name callings. During debates they use slangs and try to insult others for having different information or opinions. No one can tolerate anyone nowadays. Even in my family this happens. Things were so different back then.

Personally i’m glad to be living in 2021 - If not, i would have never become an auto technician.

@SOIBOI69 Tiktok just became a thing 2 years ago. This type of behavior has been around for nearly 10 years by this point. It's the fault of social media overall.

People are still like this. In fact, it's fairly normal depending on where you live. Granted, it's not highlighted on social media, however, that doesn't say much.

@@mac9733 10 years? Try forever.

That's really amazing, I'm glad to hear it.

Much better time. People in the name of technology just made life too complex!

*was*

this was not a golden era lmao

Definitely!! They respected each other so much so that a year prior the little rock nine's lives were threated for simply walking into a white school :D!!! love this golden era!

Girl bye 😭 meanwhile racial injustice, apartheid, and the civil right movement still happened before, during, and after all of this. Respecting and listening is not what any of these ppl were doing.

Golden era? Jesus Christ sit tf down

@@Account-jn7xu I feel it's more when there was the American dream

@@Account-jn7xu I guess maybe because I work 90 hour weeks and strive for success and use capitalist society to my benefit. The dreams alive its just people are lazy. But these young people have goals and are driven. The tensions are low in the video and everyone gets along. I do find it beautiful. Success isn't free but most Americans want there handouts right now. More people are hiring then ever but can't get people off there couch. Also to add foreigners are always telling me I wish Americans knew the opportunity they had to this day. Americans are blind but foreigners are not. We should take pride in are country but I guess it's easier to give up and sit at idol. It doesn't take much effort to bend over on a table does it? I guess I like it on top.

We will never know

Same here..Its like I want to time travel & just be a part of them & just observe as they speak & joke around'

It certainly made me feel a sense of belonging. I had a sudden urge to have been with them and learn as much as possible.

It made me feel a sense of longing.

we are all the same