huh? where do the commentators say that?

😂😂😂😂 omg they were so annoying

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Lmao. So true.

Magenta Spikes I know. It makes me upset to hear how they tear her down in this commentary! Why not commend her for still being in it despite growing up, and doing a darn good job at that! I'm glad the commentary has gotten better now with Nastia. I think she keeps Tim in check too!

Magenta Spikes lmao

🥇 Thinking back, Nastia Liukin won the gold medal at 18 and Simone Biles won the gold at 19. I think the whole "18 or 19 is too old" in gymnastics was garbage. 🥇

@@ourminiagproject6822 You seem to forget this is NBC. They are all about dramatics and theatrics, more than accuracy. Dawes's intro was not exactly flattering ("so many times we have seen the tears covered in pain as often as joy") but I notice you said nothing about that, probably since you are a Miller fan and not a Dawes fan.

@@codydesjardins6820 and said Dominique's body was failing...wtf? She's the reigning national champ. I like Shannon, but Dominique is the reason I ever fell in love with gymnastics. She's so amazing and strong.

why ?

Me to! They have no clue how difficult it is!

Bela called Dom M. a piggy while congratulating her. Then the way Tim D. discuses the “beautiful lines” on Jaycee was just messed up! I have also noticed Marta always grabs the girls neck when talking with them. It just seems odd.

@@weedoozer Bela was a pretty much a nightmare coach, we know that. But, I believe that piggy was just a “cutesy” nickname that didn’t sound right to many. She was just a tiny, 14 y/o 4’6.6” baby, a powerful package, and that struck me as like the baby of the team name. Jmo. In the ‘96 Olympics, Elfie & what’s his name discussed the girls body forms. I think that he was referring to her as a beautifully formed athlete, and nothing more. No way am I disputing, please. It’s funny how the human mind can perceive words & actions so differently. Now MARTA…..well, that pair wanted champions, not a picnic. They made sure of that. Moceanu opened up about that; I found it fascinating coming from her. 😢

​@@weedoozer verdade, já observei isso a Martha segurando o pescoço das meninas. Em 2008 beijing, após a Alicia sacramoni cair no solo, Martha segura seu pescoço e fala alguma coisa pra ela que a deixa muito mal

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I’m laughing so hard at this!

They suck. I can not believe the crap they got away with. The abuse was right down the line. From coaches, to doctors, to commentators, and so on and so on. The microphones should have been muted.

Cuz back then 17 was old for the sport!! We find out later that want the case!!!

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yes honey preach

Bad bad bad intro..we now know 18 is not old for a gymnast

I wish they still had compulsaries 😢 it's changed so much

u can't handle the fluff

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Oh no, there is nothing like late 80's and 90's gymnastics fluffs. So fluffy it's like a Bichon Frise.

@@DizzyedUpGirl Watch the Gutsu and Galieva fluffies from Atlanta. Classic.

Kim Dukeshire yes but Shannon Miller is such an elegant dancer.

I love her personality. She WAS a tiger...they just didnt know how at the time. She unfortunately completely choked at the Olympics though. Still the smallest 14 year old I've EVER seen that isnt a dwarf being 4'6 and 70 pounds. 🥴

@@Janellabelle She was severely injured at the Olympics -- it isn't her fault. She had a broken leg that Bela refused to let heal. She was forced to jump on a broken leg for 8hrs/day for the weeks and months leading up to the Olympics. She also fell on her neck and was forced to continue competing without a proper medical exam. She didn't choke, she was abused to a breaking point -- beaten, starved, and limping in a broken leg. Anyone would fall in those circumstances, even a tiger like Dominique.

@@Janellabelle her only big mistake she made during team finals was the vault. And maybe the fact that the white mat was removed contributed to that, I don’t know though. Give her a break, she was injured, malnourished and over worked. She contributed pretty high scores on everything else. So sad in her book she said the first thing her dad said to her after making history was “what happened with your vaults”

@@extrememakeoverfan We know she didn’t “choke”, but her vault falls weren’t due to her injury. Elfie was a professional commentator, and we could even see that she opened up her arms and her balance too early. Elfie also pointed out she hadn’t practiced that vault enough. So many ppl comment about her injury causing any issues. Pretty much throughout the entire team finals, they let it be known her injury didn’t have any effect on any slip ups; she rarely did if any. I go with a pro speaking, and that tiny powerhouse was amazing. I never knew what her score was on the beam, though 🧐🧐

It is typical NBC. Don't tell me you are surprised. It is not like they are much or any better today regardless the sport.

Definitely agree. Raising the age restrictions allowed for more late teens/early 20s to compete and be viable. Back in the '96, you could be 13 and win and win the senior title, leading people to act like the 18 y/o was obsolete

The average age has definitely gotten higher for elite gymnasts. Seems like people are viable for longer now.

It IS garbage

Kelly Stout , that’s because they’re not being starved anymore.

It was even crazy back then- I mean half of the Mag7 were 19, everyone but Domi M and maybe Jaycee were college age and that experience helped them tremendously.

True

only thing that's changed is his waistline.....

I like his commentary

Peter Peterkins At least someone does..

Yeah he has, he's WAY more biased towards non-American gymnasts.

Twice during a leap year. It gets confusing.

She was so overrated

@@jarrodwoods7605 No she wasn't. She was a prodigy, with amazing talent and potential. She was the youngest junior and senior national champion, the youngest gymnast to win Olympic gold, and the only American woman to ever win gold at the Goodwill Games for a reason. Unfortunately she had a lot of bad injuries and bad luck which prevented her from reaching her full potential. That's a very different thing than being overrated

She WAS overrated, but I still love her.

Shannon always said she wasnt a good twistter

@@p.alsol9362 She may say that but I don't think it is true. She did the full twisting double back off beam easier than almost anyone, and even did in well in a pike position in 93. She did numeorus full ins (piked and tucked) on floor for years. She twisted off vault beautifully. If she said that it is probably since Nunno told her to think that, just one of many times he fed her false information.

Khorkina is a Queen, but so is Shannon and she twisted just fine. Just like she did everything else.

But Carly Patterson is an exception and Mary Lou

***** the All around at the Olympics is always close and tight I don't think we've saw a clear blow out in a long time. Makes me wonder about next year..but then again who can we compare to the dominance of Simone?

+tmwalkerm Ohashi did in fact beat Simone in their first meet as senior elites, the American Cup in 2013. Ohashi has been injured, though, and has pulled back from elite gymnastics. She is set to compete for UCLA and will not be going for Rio.

That makes me really nervous for Simone Biles. 😅😬

ajlove2013 dont be Simone has defied limits and history like no other. Im sure this is no different

Tracy Pohle I know !! That’s why she was so broken in the end . That’s why Kim didn’t live up to expectations in ‘92. And why Kristie didn’t live up to expectations. I don’t know how Mary Lou survived unless it’s because the moves were easier back then.

They were even worse back then than they are now.

A wobble cost most gymnasts back then a chance at medaling, so when many of then worked years to get to the national championships and beyond, and they ruin their medal opportunities because of a tiny mistake, it is disappointing, disastrous is definitely a strong word though.

It had something to do with her results in the last year. In the second half of 94 Dawes clearly eclipsed her as the top U.S gymnast, beating her for all 5 golds at the 94 U.S Championships, then single handedly leading the team to their surprise Team Silver at the November 94 Team Worlds where Miller withdrew after compulsories due to "fatigue" or some weird reason. In the first half of 95 she lost to Powell and Borden both at the American Cup, and then just barely beaten Borden to win the Pan Am Games where both had a fall off beam. They weren't going to talk about her as if she were still the dominant gymnast in the world since.....well she wasn't. Just remember she came 12th All Around at the 95 worlds, 9th at the 96 Games, and won only 1 individual medal at both events (beam at the 96 Olympics). Her dominance was clearly at an end by this point, even if she was still a contender along with Dawes and Moceanu for the U.S AA title.

And yet,she had more titles than any other US gymnast until of course,Simone!

I agree I hadn't seen the scores or order yet when I heard them talking about Shannon - I thought wow she must be f**king last or something! She was second!! I mean come on people she got absolutely no recognition of that!!

@@kerridrury4240 She was 2nd in the US, not in the world. In the AA at worlds she was 12th and at the Olympics 8th or 9th. This was someone who was 1st in 93 and 94, so it shows the decline they spoke of. Was accurate.

No. Back then, if you turned 14 in that calendar year, you could compete in Senior Elite. Dominique Moceanu turned 14 that September and so with those rules could compete. That has since changed, elevating how old one must me to compete.

She had been working 8 hour days 6 days a week since she was 4 under a coach that would call her father over to beat her if he found a milk dud in her backpack. Whatever innocence she had, they had killed long ago by this time, I assure you of that. If you're a fan read her autobiography called Off Balance. You will get enlightened with a quickness.

Unfortunately she missed individual medals in 1996 olympics ; That created lot of hot burns for everyone ; The spectators also got disappointed that she could not win any individual medal in olympics ; Anyhow , she was brilliant and beauty combined and no doubt became of the darling of masses than the judges ; To me judges are cruel not to allot her one medal

​@@Janellabelle meu Deus que coisa horrível

@@maniaphobia4719 Off Balance, she accounts her misery at the 1996 Olympics. In the team competition, she fell twice on her vault landing. So did Kerri Strugg. When that happened, both Karolyis abandoned her. Ignored her like she wasn’t there. They were in the gym at a distance where she was practicing for the event competition the next day, but they offered no input. When she went down to check in the next morning, they had left w/o saying good-bye. Pretty bad to do to a kid in the Olympics.

Terrible- I was just about to comment the same thing. Thank God they did away with that

The Olympics Intro is even more cringey. "Little girls dancing." Over and over.....

@@felicialovesnkotb Omg that intro was the cringiest thing i have ever seen!

Yay. I used to love him and marta so much. Can't even right now. It makes me so mad. Alll they had to do was protect the gymnasts. Little girls turning into teenagers. How "the monster" could abuse them. ... But bela... and marta, a woman herself? Beyond me and I cannot repeat their names without disgust in my voice. How could they? Shameful

At this time period no one knew how abusive Bela was.

Wonder y bretton and zmeskal say nothin bout it

*retton

@@stephanieruppelt7471 idk I remember being just a few years younger than Domi and reading about gymnastics training then and they did not care that the coaches were abusive at that time. It was just considered part of gymnastics that coaches were emotionally and verbally and physically abusive to the little girls.

Of.course the little girl was being verbally abused at the gym by Bella and then emotionally and verbally abused at home by her parents who stole her money, she was forced to do gymnastics on injuries and couldnt heal from them, she had no chance to succeed with all of that. And then later she found out her parents hid a pregnancy from her and gave up her sister for adoption because she was born without legs.

Right!. She was such a doll and so much strength and talent. I keep thinking how she really could have rallied if it hadn’t been for the over training she received from the karolyi’s and the mental abuse from her father. When she came back a few years later, she was gorgeous and had such poise and grace.

@@running_girl5512 dont forget physically abused by her father as well

I agree, just yapyapyap right?? As if they could read her mind.

strongbad635 That's not surprising. Tim and Elfie (now Nastia) are incorrect about a lot of things.

THE CHUSO

I ♥️ Oksana Chusovitna!

Communist propaganda.

meh it is ok.... the music is awful and does NOT fit her style

​@Karolyi agreed. DM was the clear winner that night with the other 3 shuffling around underneath. But it's amazing regardless, I wish I could still do some gymnastics that I used to do lol. I have memories of being around 9 or 10 and going to a gymnastics gym with the uneven bars and balance beams and trampolines for like 6 months but I was in baton and ballet too and was better in pointe ballet, so I stuck with that one until I tore my meniscus two different times before I was 22 and my tailbone at 23 from my knee giving out again, sooo I haven't danced since I was 23 and ill be 36 in a few days. And now my body is so messed up it's not even funny lol. Arthritis everywhere and popping and cracking every single joint when I stand up, especially in my elbows, knees, ankles, and hips 😭😂 I call my knees my weather trackers because 2-3 days in advance, I know its going to rain lol

Dominique wasn't overhyped. was a prodigy, with amazing talent and potential. She was the youngest junior and senior national champion, and the youngest gymnast to win Olympic gold for a reason. Unfortunately she had a lot of bad injuries and bad luck which prevented her from reaching her full potential. It says a lot about her skill at this time that Shannon Miller, one of the greatest gymnasts in history, was her only real competition, and the only gymnast who could barely beat her. She also beat Svetlana Khorkina, also one of the greatest gymnasts in history, for gold in the Goodwill Games. Dominique may have burnt out before her time, but she was very very good while she lasted

O que aconteceu? 😮

Just the Queen Catalina Ponor.

GymFan2000 Raisman and Biles do.

@@JamesFrew1raisman is retired and she lost confidence in her 2015-2016 comback, and biles has definitely attacked beam better the past two years

probably. the athletes in gymnastics or the Americans in general put a large emphasis on smiles. But I'v heard lately that the style of the Karyoli"s training was too brutal, called the old guards, valeri luikin being criticized for the same thing. We'll see what happens to USAG now. Course we won't see it's effect for about 15 yrs from now.

Gift Horse all about the karolys was toxic. Terrible coaching, always seeking publicity at the expense of the gymnasts. It’s a shame that USAG gave them such authority for so many years. good riddance they’re finally gone.

Matthew Hines Clearly they didn't see Omelianchek, Shushunova, Silivas, do back-to-back tumbling...ten years before this competition.

This is US national championships. Dawes was the first American to do it. And she had the most difficult combination of back to back tumbling ever done.

tim's nonsense is at an all time high in 2016........

But, Tim is ALWAYS right. People don't like his commentary, but he gets it every single time. He's been calling Olympic team members for decades.

I don't mind the nitpicking--they are experts--but the nonsense about tears, and their weight, and the endless CLOSEUPS on their faces is vomit-inducing. I like Tim and Elfie but NBC's commentary (they are the power structure that dictates how T&E talk) is effing AWFUL.

Tim makes an effort to really get to know the gymnasts, that's what I like about him. He's always talking about speaking with the gymnasts and their coaches individually. He's super knowledgeable and as the other poster pointed out, he's always right about who's getting chosen.

I really hate the emphasis on weight and age. There already is enough pressure on these athetes and then having their weight broadcast everywhere. Unnecessary and no surprise eating disorders are a thing.

Who are you referring to?

@@JennaLeigh lol all of them probably.

Gymnast Lily I

yes

Shannon ALWAYS looked uncomfortable no matter what she was doing.

Mas ela foi abusada fisicamente ou verbalmente por ele?

They didnt really toss her away and honestly it sounds like that sister was the lucky one to get away from those verbally abusive parents

@@running_girl5512 Jennifer actually lucked out. She had a very happy life with supportive loving parents, whereas Domi had pressure and abuse

He probably did since he's the main character of them most of the time.

The only reason it wasn't a bigger gap was compulsories where Miller was well ahead. In optionals alone Moceanu won by roughly the margin of Miller's fall and that was with getting only a 9.9 start value on floor (she expected a 10 but didn't get bonus for something). I agree Moceanu was way overhyped but this is fucking NBC, what do you expect. They are always interested in the next exciting thing. Miller had already been eclipsed as the top U.S gymnast in the 2nd half of 94 by Dawes although Dawes was out of form here, and in early 95 she had mediocre showings like being beaten by Powell and Borden at the American Cup. Little surprise the hype machine on Miller was not at an all time high, it was clear her dominance was over already. People could already see she had little to no shot to defend her World AA later that year where she came I think 12th (Moceanu by the way 5th).

@Russell Hayman Well compulsories aren't part of the final All Around scores at a Worlds or Olympics. So in that sense it is an important thing to point out.

Dominique wasn't overhyped. was a prodigy, with amazing talent and potential. She was the youngest junior and senior national champion, and the youngest gymnast to win Olympic gold for a reason. Unfortunately she had a lot of bad injuries and bad luck which prevented her from reaching her full potential. Thats a very different thing than being overrated. It says a lot about her skill at this time that Shannon Miller, one of the greatest gymnasts in history, was her only real competition, and the only gymnast who could barely beat her. She also beat Svetlana Khorkina, also one of the greatest gymnasts in history, for gold in the Goodwill Games. Dominique may have burnt out before her time, but she was very very good while she lasted.

***** Yeah I agree but it still looks pretty cool! :)

+Nunovurbznzsodontask You really can't blame them, though. It seems as though they gave out higher scores for less difficulty back then, but now they give lower scores no matter the difficulty.

They stopped counting more than two of a skill, so a handspring + 3 LOSO wouldn't be rewarded anymore. Gymnasts are also older now and therefore taller, so it's harder to squeeze as many tumbling moves on the beam

why does simone biles do 2 instead of just 1 then??

Kim Dukeshire people change

You seem to be implying that she's none of those things today. She grew up after Olympics. That's normal.

She was adorable, but she grew into an amazing woman too

this is such a weird comment

@@alazjaw.8968no it isn’t, lots of kids had crushes on her back then