Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it

Thanks so much for the kind words Amy! Depending on what else you have in the truck you'd be very close to your max payload and towing capacity - you could look at an F150 with the max payload package but would lose out on some of the nicer interior features to get that package based on availability. If features don't matter - I'd recommend looking at the F150 SuperCab/Crew 4x4 w/max payload and the max tow package. Ideally the 3.5L EcoBoost as it would give you much higher tow capacity than the 2.7L EcoBoost It may be challenging finding one with both packages but not impossible Depending on your loaded trailer/payload weight (including all passengers, gear etc) it might be worth it to look at an f250 or 350

Would be useful for sure but then there goes a video series I can do haha. Glad the video helped!

Thanks Mike! I have an updated one for the 2022 models that goes into some live examples of real world payload too! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bK-Df8lzz5nDnGg.html

Wanted to show the max option which unfortunately is normally 4x2 but you're right - I see way more 4x4 than 4x2. Hah I always recommend against towing that much in an F150 - there's a time when a SuperDuty just makes sense

You're welcome!

Thanks for the suggestion Matt! I talked about it a bit at the end but yes there should be a video that talks more in depth about max payload and towing, I'll add it to the list

That’s exactly what I’m running into! Who cares if I can “pull” an 8000lb airstream when the truck has like 1100 payload max and the tongue weight alone takes 900lbs of that! So basically you’d need a horse jockey driving the dang truck or you’d be over on payload!

@@SurvivalReview Bang on with that Phil. If you add in every possible option on a 4x4 SuperCrew with PowerBoost you're pretty much looking at a 1,250lbs max payload. Depending on your needs you might need to look at an F250 or F350!

Thanks Andy! Appreciate that

The guides are fairly accurate but there's some key info missing - like how components such as sunroof, skid plates etc affect the end payload capacity. You're right about the towing capacity but what else is being added into the truck feature wise? Just based on what you've said the tongue weight of the trailer is along with anticipated weight in the cabin your configuration should be ok based on your needs! The hitch receiver is a Class IV but on the F150 max conventional towing will be based on configuration. Max Payload will be on the yellow sticker on the driver's door so you may be able to luck out and find one on a dealer lot with the specs you need

@@CarsWithSteve thanks for the response. I will actually be order a custom build.

@@cmelich79 You're welcome! If you want to know exact payload with how you've built the truck, call up a dealer with a truck spec'd out like yours and have them see what the yellow sticker says - it'll give you an exact number for you to work with

Thanks Wang! Gad you enjoyed the video

Thanks so much! Hah glad that people like the crazy detail I go into on these videos

You're welcome Terry, glad it helped!

You're welcome!

New for this year! I'm curious how these things will hold up over the next few years

That's a great build! SuperCrew 4x4 as well?

Thanks so much!

Thanks Todd! Gross weight at 11,500 is going to be tight for an F150 depending on how much payload you have as well.. The highest capable F150s would be: 4x2 SuperCrew 6.5' box with 3.73 axle - 14,000 lbs 4x2 SuperCab 6.5' box with 3.73 axle - 13,900 lbs 4x4 SuperCrew 6.5' box with 3.73 axle - 13,700 lbs Those builds would all require the max towing and max payload packages which would limit you to the XLT 301a as well. It's usually recommended to not tow more than 80% of your max allowable to account for steeper grades/additional payload etc. If the gross weight including all your payload is 11,500 lbs you should be ok with any of the above options but it's probably a better idea to look at a SuperDuty instead. A weight distribution hitch is also a must at those towing weights if it wasn't already on your radar

@@CarsWithSteve Thank you for the info! I currently own a 2016 Nissan Titan XD Platinum Diesel that pulls the boat no problem even loaded up in back. Do you think the F150 and Nissan Titan Diesel are comparable models?

You're welcome! It's not that the truck wouldn't be able to pull it. On paper it would no problem.. it's just a matter of making sure you aren't overloading! The Titan Diesel looks like it's max on paper is 11,033 lbs - so the F150 would be able to tow more

Thanks Eran! Glad you enjoyed it and hope you learned a few things

Thanks Adam! Assuming not too much extra cargo weight, the Ranger would be tight but could still work. F150 SuperCrew with the 2.7L would give you a nice buffer, especially looking at the payload!

@@CarsWithSteve hi Steve! So if I were to stay with the 2.7, because I believe it will tow just fine, but maybe see if one has the payload package? I don’t want to be right at the max. Instead giving it a little bit of room so it’s payload isn’t maxed out. I have no idea how much camping gear typically weighs. Most gear would stay with the pop up all summer season. Maybe upping to the 3.5 so I don’t have to specifically search for a 2.7 with the payload package?

@@adambyers8010 if you were to go for the 2.7L SuperCrew 4x4 5.5' box your max payload is 1,760 lbs (based on the rest of the configuration of your truck). If you want that extra peace of mind the 2.7L EcoBoost payload package gives you an extra 200 lbs payload Good call on keeping extra gear in the trailer! 3.5L is overkill for sure but those are probably easier to find right now. If you have the time to wait, factory order your ideal truck! About 6 months lead time right now

@@CarsWithSteve thank you for the great advice! Why do you say the 3.5L is overkill? Thank you so much for the input!

@@adambyers8010 Happy to help! Only reason why I say overkill is because of your payload and towing needs as they sit right now. 3.5L EcoBoost is around 14,000 lbs and max payload is a little over 2,000 lbs

Thank you! The 2.7L EcoBoost can tow up to 10,000lbs in the 2 door 4x2 depending on how you have it configured. The curb weight will be around 4,200lbs in the truck you're thinking depending on what other features/options yit has. That should meet the specs you're after!

Thanks Ted, glad you enjoyed the video! Based on the specs the max payload is looking like 1,830lbs. A tongue weight of 770 would leave you with 1,060lbs more that can be utilized 4 adults x 180lbs = 720 2 dogs x 50 lbs = 100 Cargo x (40lbs per person x 4) = 160 Total = 980lbs If the scenario there is accurate you'd be really close to your max payload. Ideally the setup would be the family in the cab and gear in the trailer. Hope that helps!

Thanks David! I’m working on one for the 2022 model and have slowed things down quite a bit. I’d recommend either the 5.0, 3.5 EcoBoost or 3.5 power post for the engine. The Lariat is a good start if you enjoy a nicer interior. The higher trims also have massage chair seats. What type of features do you you enjoy or want out of a truck?

@@CarsWithSteve I wasn't being picky. You're great but the information is so vital hence the problem I had.

@@Davidipac Appreciate that! Should have the 2022 ready early next month

The best for fuel economy out of those would be the 2.7L EcoBoost. I'd recommend that if you either aren't towing or might just pull a small trailer. If you know you'll tow more or want a better resale value look at the 3.5L EcoBoost

If you’re just after best MPG look at the PowerBoost - it’ll run a couple thousand more up front but annual fuel cost would run about 20% less than most of the engines in the lineup. The 2.7L would be a good second choice!

@@CarsWithSteve what about the 3.3 in crewcab form if someone was looking for mpg and economy

Thanks Scott! Tongue weight is doable on the F150, towing weight is as well but few questions.. Does your cargo weight include passengers weight? Also, are you moving the AirStream constantly or just every few months? In the truck that you're after if you go for the 3.5L EcoBoost with the Max Tow Package you'll be able to pull up to 14,000lbs - that will depend on what other options you get as each option you add on will have additional weight which affects max payload/towing. It's recommended to stay within 80% of your max towing capacity so in theory you'll be ok with the weight you shared. If you're constantly moving the trailer it would be worth looking into an F250 or even an F350 as an option, the F350 specifically will have absolutely no issue pulling that trailer consistently. Normally if you think it'll be tight with the smaller truck, go bigger. It's always better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it ;)

Good question.. the 7.2kWh is going to reduce your payload. In your case your max payload will probably be somewhere around 1,400lbs - 1,550lbs depending on what other options were added in. Max towing for your configuration is 12,400 but will be lowered based on what you've got in the truck payload wise (cargo, passengers, tongue weight of trailer etc)

You're welcome! Typically you'd want to stay at about 10% of your trailer weight for the weight on the hitch receiver. I think that tongue weight alone might be an issue for you in something that isn't a SuperDuty, especially when you take the rest of the payload weight into account I'd recommend looking at the F250 as an option which has a max tongue weight of 1,820lbs and more than enough payload/towing capacity for what you're pulling

@@CarsWithSteve why not the f150 3.5L HEAVY DUTY package?

@@onelik payload would make it really close to max. Usually a good idea to look at the SuperDuty if you're teetering on the high end of the F150 in case payload goes higher from adding gear/cargo, heavier passengers etc

Haha well damn! 4x4 SuperCrew - 11,000 lbs up to 12,400 lbs depending on whether you have the standard or max tow package!

Thanks Josee! If you've bought the truck and have it on hand you can check the yellow sticker on the driver's side door frame. That'll tell you your max payload. On Ford guides the max payload on a stripped down 4x4 with that configuration is 2,155 lbs - but realistically your payload will probably be closer to 1,600 lbs (yellow door sticker payload rating) if you're in the 302a and have other options added in Kind of maxing out the payload on it so all gear should be in the trailer - but if you have 4 passengers your weight will be over the rating for the truck

Assuming that's the SuperCrew body configuration you'd have a max tow capacity of 13,000lbs if you also have the Max Trailer Tow Package. With the 3.31 axle ratio max towing is 9,400lbs and 3.73 10,400lbs with the Max Tow Hope this helps!

@@CarsWithSteve yes sorry Crew Cab. My order is going to be 3.73 rear end without max towing if that works.

@@fredpenner9866 Without Max Tow package you'll be at 10,400lbs towing in the configuration you're after. As long as payload and your tow load combined are around 9,000lbs max you'll be ok!

Thanks Clint! With the specs you've shared, and assuming you're in the SuperCrew) the truck would have over 12,000lb towing capacity for the 3.5L engine. As long as you aren't carrying thousands of lbs in the bed or cabin of the truck you should be ok without the Max Trailer Tow Package!

The max payload for your truck would include the tongue weight of the trailer. So you're around 1,400 lbs for payload which I believe all configurations of the 2021 F150 would be able to handle. For towing you bring up an interesting scenario - towing through mountains. Because you're going uphill often it can place more of a strain on the engine so I'd recommend going with one that can tow a bit more than usual. Going through mountains you should consider towing around 70% of your truck's max towing capacity at the very most. Assuming that the weight on the Airstream loaded is 7,600lbs I'd recommend a truck that can tow at least 11,000lbs. The 3.5L EcoBoost or the new hybrid PowerBoost engine would be able to more than handle what you need! The regular Trailer Tow Package would give you at least 11,300lbs towing but if you upgrade to the Max Trailer Tow Package you'd be at 13,900lbs

@@CarsWithSteve I have been looking at the 3.5L EcoBoost with the Max Trailer Tow Package, thinking that this would be enough for our needs. This is our retirement setup and I just want to be prepared to go anywhere in the US, maybe even spend a little time in Canada. I think a lot of people(especially RV towing) forget that they will likely be spending times in the mountains & need to consider what they are pulling up the mountain & for that matter, braking on the way down. Thanks for your advice, always good to get another set of eyes.

@@toshlito If it's the retirement setup I'd say to go on the safe side and opt for the Max Tow package with the 3.5L EcoBoost! It sounds like you've got some great retirement plans! What are some of the other spots that you want to visit while you travel? Feel free to reach out if you can think of any other questions!

Hey Chad! Bumper pull means that there's a tow ball on the center of the bumper vs using a hitch ball instead. If you're estimating 8,000lbs for your boat and trailer the 3.5L EcoBoost would be more than enough for you and you wouldn't need to go for the max tow package either

Thanks Michael! The Ford tow guide is a great resource you could check out for payload and tow capacity www.fleet.ford.com/content/dam/aem_fleet/en_us/fleet/towing-guides/2021_Ford_RVandTrailerTowingGuide.pdf What’s the dry weight of the trailer and the tongue weight? How much cargo weight do you normally carry?

@@CarsWithSteve Thanks so much! That link had exactly what I needed! I appreciate it!

@@exploringquests Anytime!

Depends on your axle ratio but assuming you're in the 3.31 it'll be max of 11,300lbs. Your max towing will be affected by your total payload such as passengers, cargo etc in the cab and bed of the truck

@@CarsWithSteve my Axel is 3.55 EL Do you think is diferente?

@@jamnico79 The 3.55 axle ratio would give you the same towing capacity as the 3.31 unless you add in the Max Trailer Tow Package which would kick up max towing to 13,900

Thanks Kev, I may have to do a 4x4 dedicated video now! I chose to work with the max tow/payload options for the trucks and in 99% of cases the 4x2 will be able to pull more than the 4x4. The difference is usually only a few hundred lbs between the 4x2 and 4x4

Thanks John! First thing.. you're getting a bit close to the max payload of the truck without the Heavy Duty Payload package. I wish the payload guides were more accurate but as an example a SuperCrew 6.5' with the 3.5L EcoBoost would have a "stated" max payload of 2,640lbs ... if your truck was 4x4 with the 6.5' box, heavy duty payload and stripped down with no other options. That same configuration with the 502a Lariat would have a max payload closer to 1,750lbs. If your payload is going to be closer to 1,800lbs it would be safer to go for the Heavy Duty Payload package which also really limits what builds you can have. You would have to go for the XLT 3.5L EcoBoost, 6.5' box and Heavy Duty Payload Package to give yourself some breathing space. A bump up to the F250 might be a safer bet if it's a trailer that you'll be regularly towing and you want to get a more fully loaded Lariat.

Thanks for the feedback and glad you enjoyed the video! The 2021 models will have slightly better max payload/towing capabilities but it's not far off. Payload difference between the 2020 and 2021 is maybe a few hundred lbs depending on the configuration of the truck!

Shouldn't be hard to beat a 350 v10 gas mileage going to pretty much any 150 engine! Quite a bit of payload you're going to have there so if you want to stick with an F150 you're going to have to give up extra options to stay within your payload needs. Ideally with what you need you should look at something like this: SuperCab XLT 301a Mid Package (XL 101a to save more weight) - 8' box - 4x2 or 4x4 - heavy duty payload package - 5.0L V8 or 3.5L EcoBoost You could add on a few other factory options but I wouldn't go for too many extras. The 4x4 version of the truck with the configuration above and the 3.5L will give you 2,740 lbs max payload - with the XLT 301a mid your yellow payload sticker should come in around 2,300 lbs so it'll give you a bit of wiggle room

@@CarsWithSteve do you know what I can expect for MPGs loaded in either one of those packages?

I need to double my nine miles a gallon to make a new truck affordable.

@@mikepaige9291 you're looking at about 20 mpg for the 4x4 3.5L EcoBoost engine

The max tow rating for that spec is 7,600lbs based on Ford's tow guide. If you're only adding 1,000lbs of payload (including passengers, gear etc) the one you've got should be good. If you're closing in on the 6,500 - 7,000lb range including trailer and payload weight then it would be a good idea to upgrade

You're going to want to stay around 75% max tow capacity if you're going through the Rockies. Most configurations would have you covered though.. SuperCab / SuperCrew 5.0L with any axle Reg / SCab / SCrew 2.7L with the 3.73 Reg/SCab / SCrew 3.5L with any axle

Sounds good. Know of any good calculators or excel file type calculators I can play with?

@@mikecosenza1271 no calculators surprisingly.. You can go based on Ford's tow guide: carswithsteve.com/2022-Ford-Tow-Guide Big thing you need to know for the guide are cab style (Regular Cab, SuperCab, SuperCrew) 4x4 vs 4x2 and axle ratio

I'm working on another video now that will have sample payload stickers! Always a good call to go a bit bigger than you might think. Based on your configuration and depending on what other features you have in the truck you'd probably be hovering between 1,600 - 1,800lbs for payload. You could add on the max payload package but that limits your trim options so the 250 or 350 may be the way you have to go

I have a similar (32ft) trailer. Your hitch weight must be close to 1000lbs if not more. Since you are thinking of SuperCrew model, I assume there will be more than 2 people in the truck. So with passengers, fuel, luggage you will probably need a truck with payload over 2300lbs. You would have to get heavy duty payload package which is not available with king ranch trim. In fact, HDPP is only available if you go with xlt 301a package or lower. Just ordered an f150 xlt 301a 6.5bed 4x4 3.5lt SuperCrew with HDPP and max towing package. Payload is 2640lbs.

Hey Michael! An F150 would definitely be able to handle it depending on the tongue weight of the trailer. The 2.7L EcoBoost is close to maxing out towing capacity with the trailer loaded so I'd recommend either the 5.0L V8, 3.5L EcoBoost or the new 3.5L PowerBoost. Those 3 engines have at least 12,500lbs towing capacity which would be more than enough for what you're after The 3.5L PowerBoost will give you the best fuel economy out of the 3 but does come at a bit of a premium in price up front

Thanks Michael! If your trailer weight is 7,000lbs dry let's assume that it would be approx 8,000lbs loaded and then you'd have approx 1,000lbs in payload weight mixed between passenger and cargo (bags, cooler etc) That means in total you're "towing" 9,000lbs. You shouldn't regularly tow more than 80% of your max capacity to take inclines (hills, mountains etc) into account when driving to avoid too much engine strain. That means you need a truck that can pull around 11,250lbs The 3.3L base engine and 2.7L EcoBoost are written off right away because of that. That leaves us a few options: 3.0L diesel - with max tow package will max out at 12,100lbs 5.0L V8 - with max tow package will max out at 13,000lbs 3.5L EcoBoost - with max tow package will max out at 14,000lbs 3.5L PowerBoost - with max tow package will max out at 12,700lbs Any of those 4 engine options will do. If you get the regular 3.5L EcoBoost you wouldn't need the Max Tow Package but it's always better to get it and not need it then need it and not have it Hope this helps!

@@CarsWithSteve no Total dry weight is 5500 max weight is 7000 pounds. Don't really like the diesel. It looks like I can pull my Travel Trailer with any engine with max tow package. Just not sure if V6 is a good fit.

@@michaelgarza1145 Ah so the numbers are slightly skewed from my last reply. Let's say you load it right up to 7,000lbs max, with 1,000 in payload and traveling no more than 80% max capacity you'd be looking for a truck that can pull 10,000lbs The 3.3L V6 and 2.7L V6 EcoBoost are still out of the running. Safer to go with one of the other 4 engines. 3.5L EcoBoost/PowerBoost and 3.0L diesel would not need the max tow package 5.0L V8 ideally would not need max tow but should have the upgraded 3.73 axle ratio

@@CarsWithSteve thank you so much.

@@michaelgarza1145 You're welcome

Hey Roland! Glad you enjoyed the video. In most cases when looking at max towing there's a few hundred lbs less towing capacity in the 4x4 compared to the 4x2 and that's the same way with max payload. With the configuration that you're after in a 5.5' box you'll be able to tow around 11,300lbs if you stick with the 3.31 axle ratio. Going to the 6.5' box in that configuration you lose about 100lbs in towing capacity. You'll have more than enough towing capacity with the build you're after. Class IV Trailer Hitch is literally just the hitch receiver and nothing else Trailer Tow Package includes the 7 pin wiring harness, Class IV receiver, Pro Backup Assist, Brake Controller and Tailgate LED Max Trailer Tow Package will bump up the size of your axle ration - higher axle ratio means more torque but slightly lower fuel economy.. You also get the 7 pin wiring harness, Class IV receiver, Pro Backup Assist, Brake Controller,Tailgate LED and there's also an upgraded bumper! Hope this helps!

@@CarsWithSteve Thanks for you help, I just now have to decide if I want a 4x4 or the 4x2 and I think I will look at the Max trailer tow package to go along with either one I choose. Thanks again Steve.

@@rolandablang2778 4x4 can be useful if you live in a state/province that gets a fair amount of snow or if you go off road often. 4x4 can help improve traction when you're going over ice, snow and rocks! Happy to help!

@@CarsWithSteve Umm maybe I don't need 4x4 I live in the suburbs of Northern California, but with camping in different places and not sure of the different terrain maybe it will benefit me to get a 4x4 just in case? Would like to go to take the kids to the snow in Tahoe so maybe will look into the 4x4. Thanks again Steve you have been much help, I know at some dealers I went to just tried to sell me a truck and some dealers actually explain the different trucks so that's why I asked you when I saw your video. Looking forward to watching more of your videos. Happy New Year

@@rolandablang2778 If you're in the suburbs of Cali with no plan of off-roading the 4x2 would be ok! You don't necessarily need a 4x4 for snow but the truck is rear wheel drive so if you've got the budget and will be utilizing it go for it! Happy to help! Enjoy the new truck and keep an eye out for upcoming 2021 F150 videos over the next few weeks

What engine does it have? 4x4 or 4x2? There's a spread between 5,000 lbs to 10,500 lbs depending on those other variables.. But you can also check out the 2018 Ford Tow Guide here: carswithsteve.com/2018-Ford-Tow-Guide

Hey Jon! I'd double check your trim level.. the 300a would be an XLT which would be cloth seats vs 500a/501a etc that would be Lariat with Leather... For your configuration with a CrewCab, 4x4, 3.5L PowerBoost, 6.5' box you would have a total of 1,810lbs max payload. With the weight you've given 685 lbs hitch and 800lbs for the family you would have 325lbs max left for cargo. Throw in a few coolers at 50lbs each, generator at 100lbs you'd leave yourself with a small buffer. If you can manage securing the generator in the trailer you'd be in a better spot but with the coolers and generator in the bed you should be ok!

Thanks for the kind words Stephen! Glad you found the video easy to follow Great question about the engine and axle for best towing capacity! If you're configuring with just the Trailer Tow Package the 3.5L EcoBoost would be the highest rated giving you 11,300lbs whether you have the 3.31 or 3.55 axle ratio. If you add in the Max Trailer Tow Package that bumps you to the 3.55 axle automatically and gives you up to 13,900lbs towing capacity You could look at the 5.0L V8 which would cut capacity by about 10% Hope this helps!

It's all relative - there are houses in Alabama that sell for $100,000 and condos in New York that sell for $10,000,000

Well if it helps your decision.. the 3.0L turbo diesel is not available for the 2022 model year so it would have to be the 3.5L. Would just be a matter of whether you want slightly better fuel economy in the PowerBoost or stick with the old faithful 3.5L EcoBoost

Thanks so much, glad you like the content! It sounds like your combined payload is going to be around 1,400lbs and with the configuration you're after the truck would have a max payload of 2,640 with the max payload package and 2,155 without that package. You'll definitely be under weight with that configuration!

I have that exact truck in that EXACT configuration. My payload is 1750 lbs. In my opinion, you would be cutting it close with payload. The truck won’t have an issue pulling the 8k lbs tho. A safe tongue weight should be 10-15% of the gross weight of the trailer. Let’s say that’s 800 lbs tongue weight+200lbs cargo+600lbs family= 1600 lbs. It’s within spec but be sure to check your payload sticker. Manufacturers give these insane tow ratings and people incorrectly think that’s their capability. A trucks real towing capability is based on when payload is maxed out. Hope you find/found what you are looking for! Good luck!

@@markhouser9119 Thank you so much for sharing that! I'm still waiting to hear back from Ford on individual option weight and the end effect on towing capacity. But you've got some great points to consider and good example of the math to get your payload

@@CarsWithSteve Yeah that’s what buyers and owners need to be careful of. Just because your truck is rated to tow 13,000 lbs, if your truck has gear or passengers in it, your actual tow rating may only be 5,000 lbs. Thats comes as a surprise to a lot of people

@@markhouser9119 I wish the Ford guides put more of an emphasis on that - going to pin a post on this. Appreciated!

Thanks Rodney, glad you enjoyed it! The PowerBoost is the way to go if you're hoping to get better fuel consumption. The standard 3.5L EcoBoost is a better towing option (up to 14,000lbs depending on your configuration) compared to the PowerBoost maxing out at 12,700lbs. If you want to save cash at the pump for a daily driver the 3.5 PowerBoost is the way to go. It offers 24 mpg (9.3L/100km) compared to the 2.7 EcoBoost that offers 22mpg (11.5L/100km) in the SuperCrew configuration

Thank you for your response, I really appreciate it.

@@rrgibsonjr45 You're welcome!

Hey Phil! If you want a higher max payload with at least the SuperCrew 4x4 and 3.5L PowerBoost also add in the Max Payload and Max Towing Packages. Every option you add in will affect the end payload capacity which is where the GVWR comes into play. If you want to max out payload don't add in the larger 7.2kWh battery, sunroof etc. Max Payload is available with the 301a package or lower so you can still have a few nice things. Hope this helps!

Hi Chheng, the price is going to depend on how the rest of the vehicle is configured and if you're in Canada, the USA or another country. Assuming the max package you can get with the heavy duty payload (301a for the XLT line) you're looking at $51,475 + tax and licensing in the USA. Check with a local dealer to see if they can find one for you. If you have to factory order it'll most likely end up being for a 2022 model, especially if you want the max tow package. There's price protection in place so if you order a 2021 and it gets pushed to a 2022 your price won't go up

Hey Kurt, I'm assuming that's the SuperCrew you've got so with the 3.5L EcoBoost you'll have 11,200 lbs max towing capacity. Payload max on paper is 2,050 lbs but with the Lariat High you should have around 1,650 lbs on the yellow door sticker

Thank you young man, keep up the great work.

@@kurtlarsen6923 you're welcome, appreciated!

What’s the rest of the configuration? 4x2 or 4x4? Super Crew, SuperCab or Regular Cab?

Assuming you're going with the 5.5' SuperCrew 4x4 you'll be at 12,000lbs+ towing capacity. As long as you don't have thousands of lbs for payload, you should be good!

Depends on the rest of the build... but for the most part between the reg cab vs super crew - 4x4 and 4x2 it's around 11,200 lbs with the 3.5L EcoBoost and 3.31 axle

Thanks Tino, glad you found it helpful! The max tow capacity is going to depend on how you have the rest of the truck configured. If you have the SuperCrew (4 full doors) in the 5.5' box and 4x4 it has a tow capacity of 9,400lbs. You could bump up the axle ratio to 3.73 to give you an extra 1,000lbs. Downside to the upgraded ratio is slightly worse fuel economy but upside is better towing and acceleration. The base 3.31 axle ratio would be fine for what you're towing but if you want that extra buffer the extra few hundred dollars to go to the 3.73 would be worth it.

Would I still need the max tow package with the 3.73 axle ratio?

@@tinoarreguin8850 Nope, you can add in the 3.73 Electronic Locking or 3.73 Non-Limited Slip axle ratios without having to go for the full Max Tow package!

It's an interesting argument - all Ford documentation shows a minimum recommendation of 87 octane www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/OwnerManual/Home/Content?countryCode=USA&languageCode=EN&Uid=G2066197&ProcUid=G2066203&div=f&variantid=7320&vFilteringEnabled=False&userMarket=USA However most gas engines will have better performance with a higher octane like 89 or 91. Even looking at horsepower/torque ratings.. OEMs are all running 91/93 to get their stated numbers. Turbos are unique because you can also go the other way. There are tunes for turbocharged engines where they'll run E85 and boost performance like crazy (around 30%) just with that conversion So long answer short... you could use a higher octane for better performance but it's not necessary for daily driving

@@CarsWithSteve Thank you so much for the reply.

@@GruntHarley You're welcome!

Thank you! With the configuration you have it would be a max towing capacity of 7,700lbs. Few things to take into account though - anything you're carrying for payload (passengers, cargo etc) will take away from your total towing capacity

@@CarsWithSteve ok. So do I subtract myself, passenger, liquid and ect from the 7700? The remaining weight would be what a dry travel trailer would need to be?

​@@LifesTestTV Add up all of your passenger weight, cargo weight etc. So if your combined passenger and cargo weight is 1,000lbs then you can technically tow a maximum of 6,700lbs with the trailer fully loaded. Having said that, it's never a good idea to consistently tow close to your max capacity. You want to leave about a 20% buffer to account for anything you may have missed when adding weight and to take going uphill into account which would put more strain on the engine. So if your max tow is 7,700lbs you shouldn't pull a combined total of 6,160lbs frequently. If it's every now and again that's fine but engine failure can happen when you constantly tow too much weight

@@CarsWithSteve got it. Thanks so much man.

@@LifesTestTV You're welcome!

Just with the packages it'll have a minimal impact.. But if you're maxing out the payload and towing capacity you'll notice a drop of about 2% fuel economy for every 100lbs of extra weight

That configuration would have max payload of 1,810lbs in the 6.5' box and 1,830lbs in the 5.5'!

@@CarsWithSteve it’s way lower. Payload is 1289. Wow. Just took delivery of the truck.

@@biking434 Really!? I'm surprised that the Ford guides are off so much. media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2021/f150/pdfs/2021-F-150-Technical-Specs.pdf I'm going to look into the posted payload with the OEM and see what's up. Thanks for sharing

@@biking434 did you get max payload package?

@@SurvivalReview max tow. Doesn’t offer max payload in this configuration

It's going to depend on the configuration for the rest of your truck.. what engine? The 5.0L V8 has more payload in the 4x4 than the 4x2 but with the 3.5L PowerBoost the 4x2 has more than the 4x4. The Ford media payload guide is a pretty good reference for payload - look on page 8 media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2021/f150/pdfs/2021-F-150-Technical-Specs.pdf

If I had the need for towing it would be. For a daily driver I'd probably lean more towards the powerboost - almost 25% better fuel rating than the standard 3.5 EcoBoost and you can use the truck as a mobile generator

Hey Scott, the max towing capacity on that truck should be 11,500lbs - but that'll depend on the rest of your build, what you're carrying for payload etc. If you're constantly towing that much weight you're pushing the capability a bit especially if that weight doesn't include payload . I normally recommend towing at no more than 80% of your trucks max. If you're towing it occasionally it'll be alright but straining the engine with that much weight consistently could lead to issues

The 5.0L V8 has been known for its reliability but even the turbos 2.7 and 3.5 are way better now then they were 5 - 7 years ago. I find with turbocharged engines you have to take care of them a little bit more.. mostly just changing the spark plugs a bit more frequently. If you're working on a car yourself the 5.0L is a bit easier because you don't need to worry about playing around with a turbocharger

@@CarsWithSteve oh, would you still consider the 5.0 more reliable than the 2.7 and 3.5 Ecoboost?

If you don't choose the max tow package, you'll max out at 10,400lbs towing capacity in the 5.5' configuration. With a trailer at 7,000lbs and 4 adults with gear, you'd be very close to your max capacity. I'd go for the max tow package to be safe!

@@CarsWithSteve For the king ranch, there is already a trailer package. Is it possible to increase the wheelbase ratio by 3.73 to reach Max tow ？ Thanks so much.

@@johnhan6859 The Max Tow package has a reinforced bumper that increases towing capacity to 13,000lbs and 12,900lbs

@@CarsWithSteve Thanks so much

@@johnhan6859 You're welcome

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If you’re running that much payload it would probably be best to go for a truck with the max payload package. That’ll limit you to XLT 301a. You can add in some other options but the more you add the less your payload will be. That also means you’re looking at the 6.5’ box

That's right. f150 supercrew 4x4 3.5 ecoboost will have around 2100lbs payload. Heavy duty payload package will increase it by 500-600lbs.

4x2 in the truck world means the truck is strictly rear wheel drive!

You're bang on with the max payload but that's also assuming a truck with that configuration, HDPP and Max Tow with no additional options. What other options do you have? XLT/Lariat, sunroof etc?

@@CarsWithSteve XLT, off-road package (i.e. skid plates) & platform running boards. By "bang on" you mean at an acceptable level for the F150 as configured? Thanks a bunch for your info. James

@@jamesrosen2634 By bang on meant based on the stated max payload - should have clarified that. One more question.. is the trailer a towable slide in (fifth wheel style) or is it a "sit in the bed" style?

Thanks Lisa. It's weird that Ford doesn't include the actual payload as you're building the truck. The max payload is 2,100lbs but you'll probably be around 1,600 lbs based on the build you're thinking. If your tongue weight is 946lbs I'd say you've got around 550lbs (100lbs wiggle room) of payload

@@CarsWithSteve Thanks Steve. What makes the payload drop so low?

@@CarsWithSteve I want to be at least 1800+ payload - what build would you suggest?

@@lisaeppel5081 It's all in the configuration. The max payload specs in the Ford towing guides are based on stripped down trucks with no added options. Everything you add in feature wise takes away from the max payload because it has a net weight that affects the GVWR

@@lisaeppel5081 You can look at dropping down to the XLT 301a with the heavy duty payload package. That would give you a ton of breathing room.. but you'd also lose some of the nicer options of the Lariat

Max tow capacity is going to vary from 7,600 - 9,000lbs depending on the rest of your configuration. 4x4 or 4x2, axle ratio, box size etc all have an effect on towing capacity

@@CarsWithSteve thank you. It's a five and a half foot box. And it is a 4x4.

Depends on the rest of your configuration.. What engine are you using? How about body style (Regular Cab/Super Cab/Super Crew)?

@@CarsWithSteve I was just commenting because what was given was all the configurations with only the 4x2 option. Basically I was requesting the configurations for the same ones but only 4x4 But to be more specific for me personally, I’m looking at. 2021 FULLY LOADED Platinum 4x4 with the powerboost engine with the FX4 package and max towing. Is there a difference between the 5.5 ft bed and the 6.5 ft bed? I’ve heard that longer beds are better for towing.

@@elprimoduarte Ah that makes sense! I was looking at the possible max towing specs for each configuration and engine and for the most part you'll get max towing capacity in the 4x2.. I'm going to have to do a follow up video to go through some more in depth configuration options though! Based on the build you're thinking you'll have 12,400lbs max towing capacity whether you choose the 5.5' or 6.5' box. You'll have 1,830lbs in the 5.5' and 1,810lbs in the 6.5' for max payload. A longer box is better in some towing scenarios. If you had a 5th wheel or gooseneck setup it would be worth looking at the longer box

Hey Bryan! Glad you enjoyed the video and what a specific question. Get ready for a detailed answer haha. Yes you're correct about the highest available trim level for the Max Payload Package. It's the XLT 301a which means you're sacrificing on some of the nice features that come in the 302a, Lariat or above. It sounds like you're conventional (not 5th wheel) towing the trailer. What truck you go with is interesting but I'll get to that in a second... Let's do some math: In cabin of the truck: 600 lbs for family In bed of the truck: 1,000 lbs for camper tongue weight 200 lbs for travel bags 125 lbs (5 bikes x 25 lbs each) 75 lbs (35 lb loaded coolers x 2) 250 lb generator = 1,650 lbs in bed of truck Total Payload = 2,250 Being towed: 8,000 lb trailer With the payload you'd be a bit limited.. however would be able to store some things in the camper while it's being towed? Maybe secure the bikes in there along with the generator or travel bags? If you can shave 400 lbs or more off the payload by storing it safely in the camper to tow instead you would open yourself up to a number of options. Depending on what the total GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) is on your truck that'll determine where your payload will sit. But you could probably get away with the 5.0L V8, 3.5L EcoBoost or even the PowerBoost if there's room for storage in that camper. When we add the payload to the trailer weight, we get a combined weight of 10,250 lbs. You shouldn't exceed 80% of your vehicles max tow capacity so you need a truck that can tow 12,812.5 lbs at a minimum (80% of 12,812.5 lbs is 10,250 lbs). The 5.0L V8 has a max tow cacpacity of 13,000 lbs when properly configured. The 3.5L EcoBoost has a max tow cacpacity of 14,000 lbs when properly configured. The new 3.5L PowerBoost has a max tow cacpacity of 12,700 lbs when properly configured. So you've got some options my friend if you can manage to get that payload re-distributed. Now if you can't get the weight re-distributed then your choice would be to look at the 301a F150 XLT. Here's an ideal build if re-distributing weight isn't an option: - heavy duty payload package - max trailer tow package - 360 Camera Package - Ford Co-Pilot 360 Assist 2.0 - Windows - Rear power sliding - Remote start system w/remote tailgate release - LED Box Lighting with Zone Lighting - Trailer Tow Mirrors - Floor liners - Power Adjustable pedals Here's a link to it - shop.ford.com/build/f150/?gnav=header-trucks-bp#/config/Config%5B%7CFord%7CF-150%7C2021%7C1%7C1.%7C301A.W1C....88U.XLT.54Y.CCAB.47R.617.43V.59R.85P.RETAIL.627.43B.SS6.%5D A little detailed but hopefully it'll help you make your decision! Let me know if you have any other questions. Cheers!

@@CarsWithSteve thanks for the response. super helpful!

@@CarsWithSteve I was going to ask very similar question on travel trailer with tongue weight of 921lbs and dry weight of trailer at 7310 with 1411 cargo capacity. I called a few dealers with the configuration of the 3.5 ecoboost, Supercrew 6.5ft, 4x4, 302a, 40/20/40 seats, max trailer, 360 cam. We are a family of 4 and typically would have everything for trip loaded in trailer. Should we also consider the 301? Definitely want some of that added functionality with the 302a. Cheers

@@ruskin06 Any time!

@@motopsycho77 With the weight that you're carrying in the cab you shouldn't need to worry about the Heavy Duty Payload Package. Let's call it 800lbs for the family weight and 921lbs for tongue weight, you're only carrying a payload of 1,721 lbs. With the configuration you're wanting the max towing capacity is 13,800 lbs and max payload is 2,155 lbs. So you're under capacity across the board with the 3.5L EcoBoost and could even get into the new 3.5L PowerBoost and still be just under capacity Go for the 302a package and get those extra options!

Great question and I really wish manufacturers would publish something more accurate for people. Based on what I've seen for payload door stickers you should be somewhere between 1,390 - 1,520lbs max payload with your configuration. The PowerBoost will have no issue towing the 6,000lb RV. To make sure that you aren't maxing out payload you should throw extra gear in the RV when towing it

@@CarsWithSteve Thank you, I really appreciate your input. Your range is right in where I was thinking I might land as well...... 1400 lbs has been in my mind for some reason. I currently have an XLT 4x4 with the 3.5 Ecoboost; it's payload capacity is 1670 lbs. I use a Blue Ox Weight Distributing hitch and won't travel with a full water/waste tanks and also use your idea to strategically load the RV with gear so as to not adversely affect the hitch weight/payload capacity. I cringe when I see the size of some RVs being towed with half tons. Thanks again!

@@cwqrpportable You're welcome! Hah so true with what people try to tow behind these things. Do you have a build or delivery date for your new truck yet?

@@CarsWithSteve Well, I ordered it the second week of November, so early days yet I guess; they think it will land on the lot first of April.

@@cwqrpportable Oh not long ago at all! First few weeks of April sounds about right. Hope you love the new truck once it finally shows up!

Hey Steve! For your build the max towing capacity with the max tow package is 13,900lbs. Payload is a tricky one - max payload is technically 2,245lbs when the truck is stripped down. With the roof, max tow etc you're probably going to be closer to a max payload of 1,650 - 1,700. If you check the yellow sticker on your door it will tell you exactly what the payload is for your total configuration

@@CarsWithSteve thank u

Hey John! Ohh that's an interesting one.. It depends. What's the tongue weight of the tow hauler? Generally toy haulers will have a heavier tongue weight which means you may need to look at a Super Duty as an option

Hey John! The 5.5' and 6.5' box size have close tow capacities - it's 13,000lbs for the 5.5' and 12,900lbs for the 6.5'. Having said that you need to make sure that you have the max tow package to achieve those numbers. The max tow package will automatically give you the 3.73 axle ratio when you get the 5.0L engine. So the box size you go with is going to depend on your needs and space in your driveway!

@@CarsWithSteve the king ranch bring his own trailer bag, so long as the wheelbase ratio is increased by 3.73, can the package reach Max tow ? Thanks

@@johnhan6859 Yes the King Ranch has the standard tow package but even with an upgraded 3.73 axle ratio your max towing is 10,400lbs in the 5.5' and 10,300lbs in the 6.5' box. The Max Tow package has a reinforced bumper that increase towing capacity to 13,000lbs and 12,900lbs

@@CarsWithSteve Thanks so much

@@johnhan6859 Anytime!

On the list to shoot this week!

Yes but not intentionally. I didn't realize it was missing until you mentioned it. Will be corrected for the 2022 version! Now I'm curious how many of those the 3.3L 3.55 axles are sold. It will keep me up at night

@@CarsWithSteve it just so happens that it is the most popular by sales volume. At least that what Edmunds says. Lotta guys out there exceeding their limits I bet. Also, probably hating on the honda ridgeline while being oblivious to the fact that their more expensive and less fuel efficient half ton is no more capable.

@@jg8263 Can you point me in the direction of those numbers that show the 4x2 3.3L is the highest selling? On Edmunds I only see that the XLT is the most popular but there's nothing on the configurations. From dealers I've worked with since I started the channel I've seen maybe 2 trucks with that base configuration... almost everything has been 4x4, usually SuperCrew, with the 5.0/2.7L/3.5L My only real complaint on the Ridegline is the location of the spare tire. For people that regularly use the truck to transport materials, store tools etc what happens if you have a flat? I know a guy who had a flat once in his Ridgeline. Had to unload a full bed of gravel to access the spare, change it and then reload the gravel. He sold it the following week 🤷‍♂

@@CarsWithSteve I read it last year, I think it was in Edmunds, but I don't recall with absolute certainty I am afraid.

@@CarsWithSteve and admittedly I may only be remembering the engine and not the axle ratio, given the time since I read it.

It's a solid truck and the 3.5L EcoBoost is great. With turbo engines sometimes you have to go a bit above and beyond when maintaining it. Regular maintenance, change out the spark plugs regularly and the boots every now and then it'll be great 👌 If you're considering an F150.. what are you doing with the truck?

The max payload is interesting.. if you get the most stripped down version of that configuration the payload will be very close to what's stated. But most people add options. Sunroof, running boards, console, tonneau etc that all has an effect on how much you can actually hold in the truck. Ford's new smart bed with the built in scale is a good solution to figure out what's in the bed I think Ford should stress, in more than fine print, that the actual payload will be lower based on build. A look at the exact payload number as you're configuring online would be even better

This video was put together specifically to explain the different configurations and max towing capacity for various configurations. Curious, what parts on the Ford website limit the options compared to what I showed in this video? The tow guide is available from Ford directly for people to just read but I could do a separate video for the 2022 models where the tow guide is broken down a bit more 🤔

I agree with you 100% on that. Had a few people mention that their build was off by 20% or more compared to what the guide said. There's a guide for 2018 on part weight but nothing readily available for later model years.. Having that number, even if it's plus or minus 100lbs, is what people need for every OEM

If your trailer is 11,000 - 12,000lbs that's not much of a buffer at all. Don't forget about your payload that takes away from the towing capacity as well. If the trailer is 11,000lbs and all your gear and weight of passengers is 1,000 - 2,000 lbs it's tight... Plus you need to figure out the tongue weight of the trailer to see how it'll affect your max payload You shouldn't continuously tow at more than 80% capacity, especially if you're traveling places with a number of hills. It would be worth looking into an F350 with a trailer weight like that