We have one guy in Austria with 400 000 km on the AT and still driving. Goal = 500 000 km

@@konstantinw.1036 That's insane! Honda reliability making it possible!

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@@konstantinw.1036 thats any review tell you: reliability, no one european competitor can reach Honda in this important thing, how long you gonna enjoy without issues…

Dan Calypso, I traded my 2019 XCA for a Rally Pro. The difference in centre of gravity is night and day, the RP handles far better.

@@benlegTiger If you got a good price on the trade-in, sure, why not. For me personally, if I have a bike with a triple engine, I also want it to sound and feel like a triple. I found the Tiger 900 Rally Pro has a bit to much vibrations for my taste, especially coming from a Tiger 800. Talking about the handling of the bike, In my opinion the Tiger 800 handles great, it’s very neutral, and I also never found it to be too top-heavy. So that would not be a reason for me to change or upgrade. I also prefer the looks of the tiger 800 over the 900, I remember my reaction when I first saw pictures of the new 900. I thought to myself, oh my god, what have they done, with the small front faring and headlights, it looks a bit like a Battle Droid from Star wars now, haha. Having said that, seeing the 900 over and over again, I got used to the looks and actually started to like it. But with the humongous TFT display the development department went completely overboard for my personal taste. When I first got the 800, I thought that the TFT could be a little bit bigger, but when I saw that contraption they put on the 900, I’d rather stick with the one I have. I’m sure the Tiger 900 Rally Pro is overall a great bike and in some aspects certainly a step forward compared to the 800. But it would not be enough for me to make that upgrade, especially when already owning a fantastic bike with the last version of the 800 XCA. And for the amount of money you can save buying a XCA second hand, it becomes even less convincing for me. How is the wind protection on the Rally pro though? I’ve tested it, but not long enough to be able to make a decent comparison. The overall front fairing and windscreen looks slimmer, so I wonder how it compares to the 800.

The chances of buyers remorse seem to be a lot lower for the AT. Tiger RP owners seem to encounter a lot of quality issues according to the Facebook groups.

@@SimonBrisbane what quality issues?

Why did you just buy the AT then

@@freeheelsak I had same question, but after watching BRM vids, there is a big difference between the AT Base and the AT Adventure Sports ES. I believe his comment was within the context of this specific comparison which was AT Base vs upper level Tiger 900, but haven't watched his review of Tiger 900 yet.

Yeah the AT is probably more for people who know how to ride it. It is big, and it is tall, and it is top heavy. I have a Tiger 800 and with proper tyres I would keep up with an AT but really that would be me holding on for dear life. I will take an AT on road though :)

@@nazirkazi5119 interesting, a mate of mine also has the 800 Tiger, he loves it and it's a nice bike but he'd be the first to admit the AT has more punch and with the auto box off road is a weapon in the right hands ;-)

Pillion is great on the AT my Wife loves it

I own a 21 Africa twin advance sports and I love it

The only reason Triumps are not trouble prone is because they bought their engine technology from the Japanese.

Our Triumph has been 100% reliable - not sure where this assertion of poor reliability comes from.

20 years ago I would’ve agreed with you. And I wouldn’t argue that Honda is unsurpassed in that regard but I’ve had my XRX for four years including the Heartland of Newfoundland and never a moment of worry about a breakdown.

How does the Africa Twin DCT perform in broken tarmac (twin tracks) or full offroad conditions? 13022022

Dct & looks Honda win. Base Honda/top Triumph ??

Android auto on AT 👍🏻👍🏻

No Android auto on the Tiger is a big letdown, have that big screen for nothing.

These things are rarely mentioned. Difficulties of servicing and cost are the worst part of Tiger 800 ownership for me

And RP owners have reported months of waiting for simple parts like brake levers.

I'm split between getting a pristine pre-owned Tiger 900 Rally Pro (2021/5K kms) and a new Transalp XL750. I know spec-wise they are Oranges and Apples. FYI, My riding usage is city (Mumbai) and long-distance touring; and my riding style is pretty Hooliganish! The Tiger 900 Rally: the Maintainance, Reliability and Spares Costs are Big Red Flags. Also, because of the engine heating in city traffic, it'll be 2 Bike arrangement. My KTM (Ready to Race but also Keep Throwing Money!) 390 for city duties. 900 for touring. Enter the Transalp XL 750 Rally Build: light and nimble: with that super smooth and cool engine. Add a Suspension Upgrade and Tubeless Rims from the AT. Top it with Honda's reliability and affordability. Lean, Mean & Fast: One Bike to Do-it-All.... What Say?

It’s a conspiracy!

Tiger’s sound is completely nerfed. Gone are the days when Triumphs 3 cyl engine made iron grinding beauty of sounds….All 3 cyl Triumph bike now days sounds like blown out scooters. AT’s engine and its exhaust is far better done now.

13-5!? What did ya get?

@@twowheelboomer Base model, 2021 Africa Twin.

I’ve just bought the Africa twin coming from an f700gs and I find the Africa twin no heavier to manoeuvre then the f700. The Africa actually handles better at low speeds then the f700

@@chrishall734 my comparison was with the KTM though.

I understand that, it was just my opinion that the bike itself isn’t particularly heavy. It’s relative to what you’ve had previously. Compare it to a 1250gs or a tiger 1200, now they’re heavy

@@chrishall734 sure I get you. Vs the 890 KTM it feels significantly heavier in my opinion. I'd have happily bought one to use as a tourer though, lovely machine.

Both great choices. Been a ktm fan for long time for their 950adv. Now i changed my mind about it. Their company as whole turns out to be typical corporate asshole that doesn't give a f about customers, nobody wants to service their bike and parts support in Europe is severely limited. Reliability always was concern and its still is with their newest models and they dont care or do anything about his, its part of their business model i guess. So while 950/990 series will always be one of best bikes ever and definitely best looking to this day, ktm as company is a big no for me. Considered gs1200.and even ktm790r. Got 2018at with dct and couldn't be happier. All the modern tech you need with honda reliability, worry-free experience is priceless to me. Handles like a dream, great mass centralization, very fast, suspension isn't too soft like many says and is very good. Damping in the shock could be even softer for my taste but spring is a little too soft. Forks are on point. Its very exciting to ride both on and offroad and a blast. No idea why somr people says it's not exciting or lack punch. It doesn't, trust me. I had some litte bikes, at is actually faster due to dct

A cautionary tale, the Tiger's engine bars are....weak to say the least. I had a friend dump over in front of me at like, 10 mph. He was laughing, our friends and myself were laughing, until we picked the bike up. They should be upgraded if you do plan to go off road, which if you're buying a rally I hope you are! Safe riding!

The standard AT has cruise control.. I don’t think the AS screen is adjustable though.

Thank you very much for your review of the Tigers. Traveling all those roads, tracks dirt in all weathers with luggage and having to use it as your transport over such a distance hammers bikes even more than courier work and also it can break down in the wilderness and any weaknesses like electrical or mechanical will be found out. I've always had a big interest in your great journeys over more than 20 years of riding and I know you have written some of the first and most interesting books on overlanding adventures and your fascinating experiences. May it long continue and a big thank you. God bless you.

The New one 2020 at is better made

Hola, y el calor que desprende la tiger???.... Y las fallas que hacen que se apague el motor en marcha???

I have a '12 Tiger 800. I find the AT too tall-feeling for me at 5-9.

True and it has that legendary Guzzi reliability. Wait…

poor decisions

I’ve owned an Africa twin for two years, and is a great bike, but I can’t understand the hype… nowadays I ride a 2019 Triumph Tiger 800 XCA, and for me it’s overall just the much better bike compared to the Africa twin.

The tank issue is about the only issue and Honda recalled them and changed the design. Check out the Facebook groups and compare the Tiger’s to the AT for yourself and you’ll note a big difference between them. One is having lots of quality issues, and it’s not the Honda.

@@SimonBrisbane My information didn't come from Facebook but from the NHTSA data base on recalls. In the past five years Honda's reliability in terms of recalls is slipping at the same time the customer complaints are increasing, again the data is there on the data base. This isn't gossip but if you want to go with Facebook then okay because the information there is known to be highly accurate.

They fail alot..I own one.. :(

@Comycboy06 which do you own, the rally? What problems do you have? Looking at both bikes but was leaning on the rally pro 🤔..any feedback appreciated..

That and stock parts at certain dealerships are available and sometimes competitive to the aftermarket stores.

I was able to get a factory cut key for 10 dollars for a 20 year old car.

The usage depends on the rider but both are large adventure bikes so can be used for exactly the same purposes.

I went last year and the biggest con i have ever seen. They had enough facilities and bikes for maybe 1000 people - around 8000 turned up. We stayed one night and left. Made a complaint and wanted money back and never heard back.

Yes, I would like to get a base model with tubeless wheels - but there is no option

Changing a flat on a tubed wheel can certainly be annoying but I’d far prefer that option for survivability. In the middle of no-where with a damaged rim or a substantial tear in the tyre, you will not be riding out. The same situation with a tube, chances are you’ll patch it and get where you need to, just a bit later than you planned to. Tubed rims aren’t as bad as many like to make out.

True. But have you have a flat with tubes with highway speed?

@@thelostgeneration2000 Agree should have a tubeless option.

I agree but it wouldn’t stop me buying the bike.

In person it looks brilliant - I love mine.

Owned Triumphs 40 years build quality isn't as good as the bikes you already own. I like to support British but after a few months you end up selling them to move them on. The Honda and BMW's Have kept so some I have owned more 20 years in amongst the new bikes. Britsh bikes may work in UK less great when you travel outside UK.

@@MotoTvWoodsFarm Hinckley Triumphs have only been going for 30 years so you must have had old school Meridan models, a friend of mine has had both AT and Tiger and says the finish on the Tiger is better, things like rusting spokes on AT being a problem.

Big discounts? Tells you everything.

@@alrightdave6135 I agree to a point. The tiger has more cachet, but the Honda is still a great bike. I have ridden both back to back and I'd have the honda regardless of cost.

@@alrightdave6135 Not in the way that you imply. I got a fully loaded ATAS straight off the showroom floor last November with a £2500 discount because the dealer was committed to taking a certain number of 2022 models from Honda and he was desperate to make room in the shop. No other reason.

I did the same. Honda's then triumph but back to honda for me. Triumphs are beautiful but they dont have the reliability of honda..

Good luck with that triumph reliability 😁

Classiness is a Joke 🤣🤣 Triumph is Trash when it comes to Riding

Meanwhile I’ve been turning into a skeleton waiting for the same bike..

@@SimonBrisbane I'm assured its to be released this year

Africa Twin for me.

Check out the Facebook RP groups. The lack of quality is one of the biggest complaints. It’s also heavier than the AT. Perhaps what you’re noticing is the shorter rake angle of the front suspension which will make it less stable at speeds and off road but might feel more agile in turns.

Bruh the Tiger is Trash when it comes to Riding

The Africa Twin is much better looking