208 - Sicily Liberated; Italy in the Firing Line - WW2 - August 20, 1943

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World War Two

World War Two

Жыл бұрын

The British and Americans race for Messina to complete the conquest of Sicily- who will reach it first? On New Guinea, the Allies destroy a substantial Japanese air force; there are several major Allied air raids over Europe, the fighting in the USSR around Kharkov is brutal and costly for both sides, and a secret Allied leadership conference in Quebec begins to determine the course of the war. Busy week.
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@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Join the TimeGhost Army at bit.ly/WW2_208_PI Ever noticed how at least a couple Soviet operations are named after Tsarist generals? This one to take back Belgorod and Kharkov is codenamed Operation Polkovodets Rumyantsev. Is someone on the General Staff feeling nostalgic for the days of Imperial Russia, perhaps? Please check out our rules of conduct before commenting: community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518
@chrisoddy8744
@chrisoddy8744 Жыл бұрын
Still waiting on a certain Prince Bagration to turn up in these operation names - wonder if/when his name will be used. Must be a very big and aggressive operation if it is to truly match his legacy as a commander, I think...
@deshaun9473
@deshaun9473 Жыл бұрын
I sure hope not 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisoddy8744 Bagration was a Tsarist general but also of Georgian origin. Possibly Stalin making a gesture towards his own origins.
@user-uw8oe4mn4h
@user-uw8oe4mn4h Жыл бұрын
General Charles delestraint was communist?
@user-uw8oe4mn4h
@user-uw8oe4mn4h Жыл бұрын
General gustave Bertrand in 1941-1945 was against fascism and collaboration? He was a communist? It's means a traitor?
@climax050
@climax050 Жыл бұрын
I can’t help but imagine all the chiefs of staff having a big western style shootout in a big Canadian hotel with flipped over tables and stuff, and then one of the aides walks in a yells that the Italians want peace and everyone just holsters their weapons and returns to the negotiating table like nothing ever happened.
@aaroncabatingan5238
@aaroncabatingan5238 Жыл бұрын
If someone make a satire of Allied Command in world war 2, I would love to see this scene play out.
@johnbox271
@johnbox271 Жыл бұрын
“Gentlemen, You Can’t Fight In Here! This is The War Room!”
@TheGunderian
@TheGunderian Жыл бұрын
@@johnbox271 beat me to this
@johnbox271
@johnbox271 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGunderian 😄
@Nmax
@Nmax 11 ай бұрын
​@@johnbox271haha awesome 😂
@seanmcateer7982
@seanmcateer7982 Жыл бұрын
It always surprises me when Jeschonnek's suicide is mentioned in the context of the Reichsmarschall feud and/or Peenemunde, but not the death in combat of his son just days previous. It certainly was a factor in his decision.
@joaoespecial4168
@joaoespecial4168 Жыл бұрын
And some months ago his fatefull asertion that it was possible to suply 6th army from the sky, and the bad conscience it caused. It was a man under insane levels of stress.
@odysseusrex5908
@odysseusrex5908 Жыл бұрын
@@joaoespecial4168 That's interesting. I always understood that was Goering's idea.
@odysseusrex5908
@odysseusrex5908 Жыл бұрын
What was the Reichsmarschall feud?
@caspercolenbrander4309
@caspercolenbrander4309 Жыл бұрын
@@odysseusrex5908 He was Görings chief of staff, but contrary to his boss, he was an educated and somewhat competent staff officer who had a much better understanding of the capabilities of the Luftwaffe, compared to his boss. For example, he assumed that the Stalingrad air-bridge was doomed to fail due to the lack of transport planes and the poor weather, yet Göring kept stating to Hitler that the Luftwaffe would carry it out. That is the basis of the feud: underling had to deliver on the huge promises his incompetent chief kept making.
@lovablesnowman
@lovablesnowman Жыл бұрын
@@caspercolenbrander4309 That is completely wrong. You've got it completely backwards. No one has anything good to say about Jeschonneks performance as Chief of Staff. He was incompetent. Massively so
@korbell1089
@korbell1089 Жыл бұрын
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! this is the War Room!"
@jasondouglas6755
@jasondouglas6755 Жыл бұрын
There is a report that when the Pykryte was shot the bullet ricocheted off and grazed Kings leg, which as you can imagine did not improve his thoughts on the British.
@Perkelenaattori
@Perkelenaattori Жыл бұрын
There are plenty of comments around about Mountbatten's mental faculties. The Americans liked to think he was dumb as a rock.
@kostaskoliastasis3848
@kostaskoliastasis3848 Жыл бұрын
oversimplified intensifies
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 Жыл бұрын
@@coling3957 Sounds like he might have made a physical impression on Admiral King as well.
@seneca983
@seneca983 Жыл бұрын
@@coling3957 Firing a gun indoors is probably not good for the ears. Did the brass wear ear protection?
@amerigo88
@amerigo88 Жыл бұрын
@@seneca983 Obviously not . Just look at all the feedback from their subordinates they disregarded. Their hearing was in no need of protection.
@nickmacarius3012
@nickmacarius3012 Жыл бұрын
I was in the US Air Force at one point in my life, which we learned about our history in Aerospace class. The B-17 Flying Fortresses had a crew of 10 airmen on board. Whenever you hear that 60 planes were lost on a mission that would also mean that 600 airmen were presumably lost as well. Due to the high casualty rate for an airman on a B-17, had a crew survived after 10 missions they were granted extra leave time to return to the US.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 Жыл бұрын
A tour was 25 missions and was later increased. Actually surviving your tour was far from certain - Memphis Belle beat the odds for example but many others did not.
@seangraner297
@seangraner297 Жыл бұрын
I like to imagine Spartacus is always just off screen ready to encourage Indy if he needs it.
@saekhmet4186
@saekhmet4186 Жыл бұрын
Not the same planes or situation but you just reminded me of Catch-22 with Cathcart constantly raising the number of missions the guys needed to fly... Amazing, hilarious book that's also still great at showing the horrors of war
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 Жыл бұрын
@@aleksazunjic9672 One of the Luftwaffe pilots confronting the Regensburg raid was the ace Heinz Knoke. Knoke had earlier dropped bombs on US bomber formations as a tactic. On this occasion his 109 was damaged by defensive fire from the bombers and he had to make a wheels-up landing near Bonn.
@perihelion7798
@perihelion7798 Жыл бұрын
I was not a political fan of George McGovern, but he did fly 35 missions in a B-24 in WWII.
@Intreductor
@Intreductor Жыл бұрын
The invasion of Kiska, although abandoned by the Japanese, was quite a disaster for the Allies. Heavy fog let to several freiendly fire skirmishes with many dead. Also Japanese booby-trapped the whole place as well.
@z000ey
@z000ey Жыл бұрын
Yup, and the Canadians fared much better than the US Army in those friendly fire skirmishes.
@griffredarmy
@griffredarmy Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm surprised they didn't mention it. Supposed to be a textbook example of friendly fire.
@kevinganske967
@kevinganske967 Жыл бұрын
​@@z000ey It was not a case of Canadians vs Americans in that fiasco. Everybody was shooting at everybody for a while Some units, including the Canadians, realized what was going on and went to ground or retreated from the situation thereby sustaining fewer casualties. Other units tried to press forward with the mission, became lost in the fog and kept the whole mess going when they ran into their neighbors. A few officers tried to blame the Canadians for firing first but it is not clear if that is actually the case and as far as I know never proven either way. In addition to the allied leadership foolishly pressing the attack into a fog bank the fact that very few of the troops involved had any combat experience was also a huge problem. The "fire blossom" that these troops laid down in the fog of Kiska Island is a case in point of why armies try to teach trigger control. The whole operation is worthy of study as a teaching point for modern armies as long as the nationalist blame game is not indulged in. This is literally a case of the fog of war killing people..
@aaroncabatingan5238
@aaroncabatingan5238 Жыл бұрын
@@kevinganske967 Its not fog of war, its just fog.
@z000ey
@z000ey Жыл бұрын
@@kevinganske967 true, it was the fog and fear of Japanese sneak attacks (as happened on Attu). The troops were just too ill prepared mentally for the landings, it most likely looked like a teenage horror film... everybody scared of his own shadow (or in this case a silhouette in the fog)
@gunman47
@gunman47 Жыл бұрын
Another footnote this week on August 18 1943 is that the *Sikorsky H-5 helicopter* will have its first flight in the skies. It will eventually enter service in February 1945 with the first delivery of the YR-5A, although it would later gain fame during the Korean War when it was used heavily to rescue downed pilots behind enemy lines and evacuation of wounded personnel from the frontlines.
@pnutz_2
@pnutz_2 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Radar O'Reilly heard it taking off
@pocketmarcy6990
@pocketmarcy6990 Жыл бұрын
Get to the Choppa!
@tigertank06
@tigertank06 Жыл бұрын
@@pnutz_2 😂😂😂.
@kidmohair8151
@kidmohair8151 Жыл бұрын
"we'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when..."
@merdiolu
@merdiolu Жыл бұрын
German casaulties in Sicily had been actually very heavy. Post war historians especially in West , dazzled by Wehrmacht's operational tempo , mostly focus on retreat and evacuation aspect of Sicilian Campaign after Allied landings and capture of Palermo. German casaulty level had been especially high in Etna line after second week of campaign and although they somewhat delayed the fall of Sicily for a few weeks , the four German divisions deployed there under General Hans Hube's 14th Panzer Corps were mostly shattered and cut to the bone while trying and failing to defend Sicily , 7.930 killed or missing (Germans never counted their missing as dead to make their casaulty level lower in public) , 19.000 wounded and 6.670 captured. All German wounded and remaining 38.000 Germans were evacuated successfully to mainland Italy via Straits of Messina though it would take sometime to reorganise and re equip them. Of 212 German panzers deployed in Sicily only 47 were evacuated back to Italy and among lost panzers , all precious 62 Mark VI heavy Tiger tanks which were left behind in Sicily. Almost two thirds of German artillery pieces in Sicily were also lost. Italians also lost more than 150.000 men (mostly captured or deserters) and only 43.000 of them retreated back to Italy.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 Жыл бұрын
The "missing" were mostly dead but sometimes included a large number of their POWs. Their Feldheer estimate for January 1943 had 127,600 missing, presumably mostly in and around Stalingrad. The May estimate 74,500, and I assume that was largely the defeat in Tunisia.
@alexamerling79
@alexamerling79 Жыл бұрын
The Germans are taking heavy heavy losses everywhere.
@bearclawthegreat7600
@bearclawthegreat7600 Жыл бұрын
A sad but interesting death was Jess owens friend and rival in the high jump
@osamabagdadi5789
@osamabagdadi5789 Жыл бұрын
Source?
@rlauder7210
@rlauder7210 Жыл бұрын
According to the couple of books I read on Sicily, only 17 Mk VI Tigers were deployed on Sicily with the Hermann Goering Division. Most broke down due to the division and units possessing absolutely no recovery equipment or spare parts. Sicily's terrible roads and rough terrain took their toll. Most were subsequently blown up by their crews to prevent capture - but apparently one did escape back to the mainland, No. 222. There is even a photo of it on one of the ferries.
@gunman47
@gunman47 Жыл бұрын
A sidenote this week on August 18 1943 is that Major Ralph Cheli’s B-25 bomber crash lands into the sea after being hit by Japanese Nakajima Ki-43 fighters. He could have parachuted to safety, but this would have caused his squadron’s attack to become disorganised and instead choose to continue the attack. He was believed to be killed in the crash but actually survived, although he would later die in March 1944 as a Japanese prisoner of war at Rabaul. His actions would lead to him being awarded the Medal of Honor in October 1943.
@nickmacarius3012
@nickmacarius3012 Жыл бұрын
War is the mother of this channel, and the Time Ghost army is the sugar daddy. 😎👍
@KramerKontained94
@KramerKontained94 Жыл бұрын
My great grandfather fought in the invasion of Sicily. He was an Italian American and was able to translate for Italian POW's, for which he was awarded a metal for
@pauleohl
@pauleohl Жыл бұрын
All of your forebears apparently had children at a young age.
@YvonTripper
@YvonTripper Жыл бұрын
How do you figure? It was 79 years ago.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing about him
@AnantRaghav
@AnantRaghav 10 ай бұрын
What was his name ? Vito scaletta?
@rickwightman2366
@rickwightman2366 Жыл бұрын
On a touristy note, the WW2 crew (or any of you) really should make a point of visiting Old Quebec City in Canada and its Château Frontenac where the Allied leaders were this week. Absolutely amazing!
@jamesbinns8528
@jamesbinns8528 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Quebec is on my list to visit. I've not yet organized my trip.
@MyleneRichard
@MyleneRichard Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbinns8528 Churchill and Roseevelt recommends fishing the salmon in the Matepedia River. Their fishing spot is now part of the Seigneurie du Triton resort.
@peteranderson037
@peteranderson037 Жыл бұрын
If you haven't seen it already, I would recommend watching Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles's video called "P-47 Thunderbolt Pt. 6 Range, Deceit and Treachery" which covers the actual range of the P-47 in 1943. Long story short, the myth that would arise later on stating that the reason why B-17s were sent over Germany without escort was because no fighter with sufficient range existed until the P-51D was just dead wrong. They had a fighter with the escort range the entire time, but senior USAAF leaders, including 'Hap' Arnold, purposely hobbled development of long range escort fighters pre-war and then purposely prevented their use during the war until the aftermath of the dual Schweinfurt raids (there's another one coming in October). It was only after the high casualty rates from these raids that the 'Bomber Mafia' in the USAAF had to tacitly admit that their "the bombers will always get through" theory just didn't work. However, they couldn't just start slapping drop tanks on to P-47s because inquiring minds would wonder why they didn't do that before. Hence the need for the P-47 range myth.
@lllordllloyd
@lllordllloyd Жыл бұрын
That is very intertesting. Because the RAF had a similar issue: in the early war years they had a doctine that a long-range fighter would always be outperformed by an interceptor, so there was no point in trying. Once daylight raids were clearly untenable, they switched to semi-random night bombing and that was that. No effort to get the Westland Whirwind's engines developed, no attempt to convert a long-range fighter as the Soviets successfully did with the Yak7D and as famously appeared when the Merlin went into the Mustang. Aside from bomber escort, a longer range fighter would have been extrmely useful in other theatres of war. After the Battle of Britian, UK Fighter Command really did not contribute much to the war effort.
@iMoD190
@iMoD190 Жыл бұрын
"the bomber will always get through" was actually a quote from conservative British politician Stanley Baldwin, who was talking about the terror bombing of population centres. he also said we would have to "kill more women and children more quickly than the enemy if you want to save yourselves." the bomber mafia, despite their disregard for the safety of airmen, did at least find terror bombing to be too distasteful to make official doctrine.
@lllordllloyd
@lllordllloyd Жыл бұрын
@@iMoD190 My understanding of the Baldwin quote was he was responding to his own countrymen who were demanding perfect protection from potential enemies, and issuing stark statements to encourage people to consider that maintaining peace was the vital thing. Looking over at fascist countries, their streets and stadiums packed with populations seemingly desperate to start the next war, I can understand why some were quite ready to bring war home to them, in preference to allowing all their own young men to be killed... only after of course putting a uniform on them so they'd be 'legitimate targets'.
@tankaxe2447
@tankaxe2447 Жыл бұрын
Hind sight is twenty-twenty and unfortunately Greg has made the same mistake. Early German fighter defense had them positioned very far forward in a thin belt along the Dutch and French coast lines. This means that P-47s would barely have time staying air bourne in the English channel before dropping them when they reached the European coast line, because they know they're going to get intercepted and drop tanks are a hazard in a dog fight. All without extending its range. Only when the Germans moved its fighter force into the interior did drop tanks become a welcome addition l.
@iMoD190
@iMoD190 Жыл бұрын
@@lllordllloyd yeah, this was the early 30s and he was pretty much trying to convince people how terrible future wars would be with modern technology, and that they desperately need to be avoided. he himself was an advocate for international disarmament, but recognised that it could not work unless all nations limited their armaments equally and simultaneously. with Nazi Germany violating these agreements, he switched to supporting rearmament.
@Doc_Tar
@Doc_Tar Жыл бұрын
I realize Indie's catch phrase, "This is modern war" was for the "Great War" series, but I miss him intoning those words with such solemnity as his conclusion week after week. Any plans for covering technological innovations, such as the development of the P-51 or the B-29 which will have a major impact in both the European and Pacific theaters as the war progresses? There are probably dozens of arms you could be covering from the major waring nations not to mention comparisons of tanks, artillery and naval vessels and tactics. This war seems to be rushing forward faster than you can keep up with your current schedule of programing.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
@Doc Tar The evolution of equipment is something that we are generally leaving to the many many other channels out there that make it their specialty. We have a few specials on higgins boats, army boots, mosquito bombers and Tiger tanks (and some excellent long-from specials on various nations' armoured doctrine at the start of the war done by Chieftain) amongst others on the channel for you to check out too though 😉
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 Жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo I'm glad you're doing this. Focusing on technology and all the neat toys brings in a lot of clicks but that's not why your core audience is here.
@evancrum6811
@evancrum6811 Жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo I do hope you do something on the B-17
@MrNicoJac
@MrNicoJac Жыл бұрын
@Doc Tar The P-51 was actually not _that_ influential; by the time there were many of them in use, the Luftwaffe had essentially already been defeated. It's explained very well and in-depth here: kzfaq.info/sun/PLD2EcpzcvT-tvemNaIYUfZfV3s8K8Gbgh (particularly part 6 is interesting, and you don't have to watch every video, ofc) Another comment in the general comment section mentions the same thing, btw. Worth looking out for (or Ctl+F)
@finscreenname
@finscreenname Жыл бұрын
Aviation, we went from open cockpit biplanes in the late 1930's to the first B-52 took flight in 1952. In just 20 years from strings and cloth to all metal planes longer then the first flight by the Wright Bros and jet engines.
@trapical
@trapical Жыл бұрын
5:10 you know the logistics of WW2 was something else when Eisenhower needed a Chief of Staff (to manage all his assistants) and THAT Chief of Staff had his own Chief of Staff as well.
@gianniverschueren870
@gianniverschueren870 Жыл бұрын
That's a sweet combination of a classic pattern and dark, unassuming colours that really blend well together. Classy. 4.5/5
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
@Gianni Verschueren a return to form perhaps?
@gianniverschueren870
@gianniverschueren870 Жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo You never disappoint
@samuelkatz1124
@samuelkatz1124 Жыл бұрын
Not a fan of the dark red, but I'm not Gianni so 🤷‍♂️
@gianniverschueren870
@gianniverschueren870 Жыл бұрын
@@samuelkatz1124 Everyone is entitled to their opinion!
@samuelkatz1124
@samuelkatz1124 Жыл бұрын
@@gianniverschueren870 that's true. Most of the time you are spot on with the reviews, and keep it up!
@frenlyfren
@frenlyfren Жыл бұрын
My great grandpa was in the navy and saw the battle of kiska from his transport ship. He was a man of few words so I've had to do a lot of researching to really understand what he was doing out and about on his vessel.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing about him
@merdiolu
@merdiolu Жыл бұрын
Battle of Atlantic The venerable Type IX German submarine U-43-the oldest boat in the Atlantic force-commanded by Hans-Joachim Schwantke, age twenty-four, which left Lorient on July 13. Her assignment was to lay twelve TMB mines off Lagos, Nigeria, in the Gulf of Guinea. She negotiated the Bay of Biscay, where Schwantke claimed he probably shot down an aircraft, but she did not get far beyond. On July 30, a Wildcat-Avenger team from the jeep carrier USS Santee, which was loosely escorting convoy GUS 10, found U-43 on the surface, preparing to give some fuel oil to the Typ VII U-403, commanded by a new skipper, Karl-Franz Heine, age twenty-seven, who was also bound for West Africa. The two aircraft attacked the two U-boats. Piloted by Edward Van Vranken, the Wildcat fighter came first, strafing. Immediately behind came R. F. Richmond in the Avenger dive bomber. Contrary to policy, both U-boats dived. Richmond dropped two shallow-set depth charges close to U-403 and a Fido acoustic homing torpedo near U-43. The U-403 escaped, but apparently the Fido worked as designed and destroyed U-43. Nothing further was ever heard from her. Two and a half weeks later, on August 17, while U-403 patrolled directly off Dakar, Senegal, searching for convoy Sierra Leone 135, a Wellington bomber of Free French Squadron 697 from Dakar teamed up with a RAF Coastal Command Hudson bomber and together they attacked her with machine guns and depth charges and sank her with all hands. In September, when U-403 failed to report in, U-boat Control assumed correctly that she was lost. There were no survivors. Four Type VIIs sailing in July reached the Freetown area but achieved little. Only one sank a ship: Friedrich Deetz, age twenty-six, in U-757, who torpedoed the 4,116-ton Norwegian freighter Fernhill west of Freetown on August 7 and took one prisoner. On the return to France, all four boats had a difficult time obtaining enough fuel to complete the voyage, but all got home. While hugging the coast of Portugal, the U-340, commanded by Hans-Joachim Klaus, age twenty-five, rescued five German airmen but was hit by Allied aircraft and sustained “several” casualties. However, Klaus reached France on September 2, completing a patrol of fifty-nine days. The other three VIIs returned to France from September 4 to 15, completing patrols of sixty to sixty-six days. Hitler's U-Boat War - Clay Blair Jr
@perihelion7798
@perihelion7798 Жыл бұрын
I love the comments section here, as it's like a mini-history lesson. Thanks!
@tams805
@tams805 Жыл бұрын
@@perihelion7798 I'm a bit concerned that people are lifting so much from books though. That's quite a hefty chuck of text that is not the commenter's own.
@perihelion7798
@perihelion7798 Жыл бұрын
@@tams805 Yes, but keep in mind that this comments section is like a mini-history lesson. It's great.
@alconomic476
@alconomic476 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thanks 👍🏻 also curious that all the captain's are in their mid to late 20s.
@TrickiVicBB71
@TrickiVicBB71 Жыл бұрын
I remember first learning about Pykrete from MythBusters. What a glorious episode. In the game Axis and Allies War at Sea, user Brigman fan made a HMS Habakkuk 20 Hull Points, Basing Capacity of 10+ and can hold any aircraft
@davidcarr7436
@davidcarr7436 Жыл бұрын
We in Canada commemorated the 80th anniversary of Dieppe on the 19th (or the 1st, if we are using the series timeline). Very bad day for us. 🌺🍁Never Forget 🍁🌺
@RalphReagan
@RalphReagan Жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning Kiska. My father was there. Afterwards he stayed transferring to the Army Air Corp. He was then an armorer on fighters through the end of the war.
@ToddSauve
@ToddSauve Жыл бұрын
My uncle Joe was on Kiska, as well, with the Canadian army. The First Special Service Force, the Devil's Brigade, was there too. It was their very first mission. When it was finally discovered that the Japanese had evacuated via submarine they were sent back home. Winds on Kiska are very strong, oftentimes 70 mph! And it was the fog that led to friendly fire incidents.
@jamesbinns8528
@jamesbinns8528 Жыл бұрын
@@ToddSauve I love hearing these types of tidbits!
@ToddSauve
@ToddSauve Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbinns8528 One of my uncle's lieutenants was from Newfoundland. They were clearing a Japanese cave/bunker when he picked up a telephone receiver and it blew up. Another booby trap and it smeared him all over the cave ceiling. There were a fair number of casualties on Kiska of this sort. Very gruesome to behold. My uncle was around 19 or 20 at the time. He told me of this when in his 70s, the only time he spoke of the war with me.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing about him
@merdiolu
@merdiolu Жыл бұрын
U-Boat Patrols and Casaulties in Indian Ocean (13-20 August 1943) The fourth and last of the new U-cruisers to leave Kiel for patrolling in Indian Ocean was the U-197. Her skipper was thirty-two-year-old Robert Bartels, who had commanded the new VII U-561 for sixteen months in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean, laying a successful minefield in a British harbor in the latter area. On the forty-eighth day out from Kiel, Bartels found the 4,800-ton Dutch tanker Benakat sailing alone in the middle of the South Atlantic and sank her. By the time he rounded the Cape of Good Hope, it was time to proceed to the refueling rendezvous with Charlotte Schliemann. Five days shy of the rendezvous, an aircraft attacked U-197. One German was killed, but the boat survived to carry out the replenishment on June 22. In eighty-one days at sea, Bartels, like Kentrat in U-196, had sunk but one ship. Of the three experienced U-cruisers departing Bordeaux for Indian Ocean , the first to sail was the IXD2 U-181, commanded by Wolfgang Lüth, who wore Oak Leaves on his Ritterkreuz. On his twentieth day at sea, April 11, Lüth spotted the lone 6,000-ton British refrigerator ship Empire Whimbrel about four hundred miles south of Freetown. Lüth fired four torpedoes at this ship and two hit. After the crew abandoned the sinking hulk, Lüth ordered a gun action to polish her off. A shell in the 37mm gun on the deck aft of the conning tower jammed in the barrel and blew up, severely wounding three men, one of whom died later in the day and was buried at sea. Lüth arranged to transfer the other two wounded the next day to the home-bound Seehund boat, U-516, commanded by Gerhard Wiebe. Lüth finally sank Empire Whimbrel with twenty rounds from his 4.1” deck gun. Upon learning of this sinking, Dönitz arranged with Hitler to add Crossed Swords to the Oak Leaves of Lüth’s Ritterkreuz. Lüth thus became the twenty-ninth man in all the German armed forces and the fourth submariner (after Kretschmer, Topp, and Suhren) to receive this high decoration. When the news reached U-181 by an encoded radio message, the crew celebrated with beer and cognac. Lüth patrolled lower Mozambique Channel from Lourenço Marques to Durban for a full month, from May 11 to June 11. In that time he sank three more lone ships: the 5,200-ton British freighter Tinhow; the 1,600-ton Swedish neutral Sicilia (which Lüth deemed to be carrying contraband); and the small (200-ton) South African coaster Harrier, filled with ammunition. He sank Tinhow with two torpedoes and Harrier (which vaporized) with one torpedo. He first stopped the Swede with ten rounds from U-181's 4.1” deck gun. After the Swedes abandoned the Sicilia, Lüth sank her with one torpedo fired at point-blank range. Per plan, Lüth arrived at the rendezvous with Charlotte Schliemann on June 22. In his ninety-two days at sea, he had sunk four ships for 13,000 tons, a tie with Hartmann in U-198 in numbers of ships, but about 6,000 fewer tons. It was also a poor return on the investment of time, men, and resources. After recruiting one merchant seaman from Charlotte Schliemann to replace the three men he had lost early in his patrol, Lüth in U-181 proceeded northward to the island of Mauritius. On July 1, he surveyed the harbor, Port Louis, and saw three freighters, all beyond reach. Over the following two days he sank the 2,800-ton British freighter Hoihow, escaped an air attack, wasted two torpedoes on small coasters, and chased a cruiser westward toward Madagascar. This vain pursuit took U-181 to Tamatave, on the east coast of Madagascar, where on July 15 and 16 Lüth sank two more British freighters sailing alone: the 2,900-ton Empire Lake and the 7,200-ton Fort Franklin. When U-boat Control learned that Lüth was operating off the east coast of Madagascar, it ordered him to return to Mauritius. In compliance, Lüth headed eastward slowly. Near the island on August 4, 7, and 11, Lüth sank three more British ships sailing alone: the 4,600-ton Dalfram, the 4,400-ton Umvuma, and the 10,500-ton refrigerator ship Clan Macarthur. Upon learning of these successes, Dönitz recommended to Hitler that Lüth be given Germany’s highest award: Diamonds to the Oak Leaves and Crossed Swords of his Ritterkreuz. Hitler approved and effective August 9, Lüth became the seventh man in the Third Reich and the first in the Kriegsmarine to be so honored. When Dönitz radioed the news and his congratulations to Lüth, the officers and crew, bursting with pride, celebrated with beer and cognac. Thereafter Control directed Lüth to rendezvous with Bartels in U-197 at a site several hundred miles southeast of Madagascar to obtain new Enigma keys for his voyage home. By August 15, a serious morale problem had developed on U-197. In the fifty-one days since leaving the Charlotte Schliemann, Bartels had sunk only one confirmed ship, the 9,600-ton Swedish tanker Pegasus. On July 30, he had found, stalked, and attacked a convoy, damaging the 7,200-ton American Liberty ship William Ellery, later towed into Durban. An aircraft thwarted a second attack. When he complained to U-boat Control that he had not only been bombed but also had had two torpedo-pistol failures, Control replied curtly: “Vent your rage” upon the enemy. Lüth in U-181 reached the rendezvous site on August 17, but there was no sign of Bartels in U-197. Later that night Lüth intercepted a report from Bartels to Control stating that he had sunk another ship (his third on this patrol), the 7,000-ton British Empire Stanley. This action had delayed him and since he was some distance from Lüth, he requested a new rendezvous site more convenient to both U-cruisers. In the early hours of August 19, Lüth and Bartels met at the new rendezvous. Bartels gave Lüth the new Enigma keys and a second set to pass to Kentrat in U-196. Lüth told Bartels that he had seen four unescorted freighters in the rendezvous area and had shot his last torpedo at one, to no avail. In reply, Bartels said he would remain in the area and try to sink these and/or other ships. Inasmuch as Lüth was low on fuel, he could not tarry a day longer to help spot traffic. He waved good-bye to Bartels and sailed off to the southwest to meet with Kentrat in U-196. Royal Navy intelligence DFed (triangulated their broadcast location with direction finders ) much of this U-boat chatter and got a rough fix on the site where U-181 and U-197 had met and where Bartels in U-197 had elected to remain. On August 20 several Catalina flying boats of two RAF Coastal Command squadrons flew from a base near Durban to search the site. In the afternoon that day, a Catalina flying boat of RAF Coastal Command Squadron 259, piloted by O. Barnett, found U-197 casually cruising on the surface and attacked. Barnett raked the U-cruiser with machine-gun fire and dropped six shallow-set depth charges from an altitude of fifty feet. Bartels responded with his flak guns, then crash-dived. Barnett dropped a smoke float near the swirl, radioed for reinforcements, then circled the smoke for nearly an hour. Suddenly U-197 surfaced, manned flak guns, and sent out several distress signals, stating that she was under aircraft attack and was “unable to submerge.” At about that time, a Catalina from RAF Coastal Command Squadron 265, piloted by C. E. Robin, arrived and attacked. Like Barnett, pilot Robin raked the U-boat with machine-gun fire and dropped six shallow-set depth charges from an altitude of seventy-five feet. The U-197 blew up, flinging debris high into the air. The two Catalinas circled an ever-widening oil patch, then returned to base, claiming a kill. The claim was correct. The U-197 was lost this day with all hands, the second U-cruiser after Sobe’s U-179 to go down in South African waters.
@A1FAHx
@A1FAHx Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the details, they were incredibly interesting!
@michaelkovacic2608
@michaelkovacic2608 Жыл бұрын
Lüth was an excellent commander, while defences in this area were certainly much lighter than in the North Atlantic for example, the fact that he actually managed to find and destroy 10 ships for some 45000 tons is incredible in late 1943.
@lllordllloyd
@lllordllloyd Жыл бұрын
Many thanks. Appreciate this.
@Kay2kGer
@Kay2kGer Жыл бұрын
The Harz mountains. the first time my home is mentioned in this series :) the KZ and Produktion facilities inside the mountains are now a Museum.
@waukivorycopse2402
@waukivorycopse2402 Жыл бұрын
"War is the mother of necessity" what a grim, sobering thought. Indy Neidell, you do a powerful lot of work. It is appreciated.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching & helping us remember this history.
@alansewell7810
@alansewell7810 Жыл бұрын
There seems to have been more stupendous activity during this week of the war than any other. Not only the heavy battles on all fronts from Russia to Italy to the Pacific, but the discussions on Pykrete and the Atomic Bomb; and then the air raid to set back the German's rocket program at Peenemunde. By comparison, everything today moves at a snails pace. The Allies got it right at Quebec to concentrate on the atomic bomb instead of Pykrete. At the time, making a bomb out of uranium must have seemed as bizarre as making an aircraft carrier out of sawdust and ice. These WW2 videos reveal the amazing multi-dimensional efforts of WWII, not just the battles on the fighting fronts.
@jackthorton10
@jackthorton10 Жыл бұрын
If you think history moves at a snail’s pace… you clearly haven’t been paying attention
@alansewell7810
@alansewell7810 Жыл бұрын
@@jackthorton10 I don't know, Jack. In Ukraine, the front is moving at 1 mile a month, and in the USA we are still re-litigating the election of 2020. Seems pretty snail-like to me, at least compared to WWII.
@jackthorton10
@jackthorton10 Жыл бұрын
@@alansewell7810 History changes a mile a minute, sometimes history is not just what's out here but what is happening right this minute. Ya never know if what your doing could be a small sprinkle in a massive rainstorm. At least that's my theory.
@alansewell7810
@alansewell7810 Жыл бұрын
@@jackthorton10 I'm afraid most of us are mist in a light drizzle, but yeah, you're right. Eight billion people in the world, each making dozens of decisions every day that change history now, and those changes echo down through eternity. We need to be aware that everything we do affects not just us, but many, now and in the futures.
@silburnl
@silburnl Жыл бұрын
At last we are getting to the part which reflects the opening titles - GIs and Tommies jumping out of landing craft while aircraft bomb bridges to isolate the beachheads.
@michaelgreen1515
@michaelgreen1515 Жыл бұрын
I loved your adapted quote Indy (or his ADC) about: "Necessity being the mother of invention, etc.."
@waynegordon2628
@waynegordon2628 Жыл бұрын
Poor Jeschonnek could not be calmed The entire Reich is being bombed Puts gun to head Now Hans is dead It's tough to fret when you're embalmed! Another fine episode! Go Astros!
@perihelion7798
@perihelion7798 Жыл бұрын
I love a good limerick! Thanks.
@jackfontana9319
@jackfontana9319 Жыл бұрын
Go Stros!
@rossw9764
@rossw9764 Жыл бұрын
Excitement about Pykrete just melted away.
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 Жыл бұрын
Geoffrey Pyke was also responsible for creating the concept of the First Special Service Force (The Devil's Brigade), the joint Canadian-American commando unit which was formed and trained outside of Helena, MT at Fort Harrison.
@nickdanger3802
@nickdanger3802 Жыл бұрын
Source?
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 Жыл бұрын
@@nickdanger3802 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Pyke#Operation_Plough_/_First_Special_Service_Force
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 Жыл бұрын
@@nickdanger3802 "The Devil's Brigade" by Robert Adleman and George Walton (1966); "The First Special Service Force" by LT COL Robert D. Burhans (1947), "The Supercommandos" by Robert Todd Ross (2000). I have all three books, the latter two I purchased at the Montana Military Museum at Fort Harrison, where I also met one of the former company commanders of the Force. Look up Operation PLOUGH.
@Arashmickey
@Arashmickey Жыл бұрын
Indy and Sparty say he's one of the most interesting people to make an appearance so far, and we've have had some pretty interesting people already on the WW2 and WW1 series, so I am expecting shenanigans.
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 Жыл бұрын
​@@Arashmickey He was a very odd duck who liked to think outside the box. During the First World War he enjoyed at least one colorful escapade when he was captured and subsequently escaped by using light and shadow to hide his getaway operation. Rumor has it that by WWII he had taken up the disagreeable habit of never bathing. I suppose this kind of eccentric behavior made him just the sort of chap that would intrigue Mountbatten. Whatever the case, he eventually rubbed Col Roberts and his planning team the wrong way, so his efforts on behalf of the 1st SSF were limited to the initial concept of operations and the design of the M29 Weasel amphibious tractor. My analysis of the man can be summed up by one word the Brits like to use. He was a nutter.
@nicholascouste8493
@nicholascouste8493 Жыл бұрын
In my case I've noticed more often than not that the word necessity should be replaced with the word desperation.
@angelonunez8555
@angelonunez8555 Жыл бұрын
The air raids of August 17th (and continuing into the 18th for the RAF) provide examples of the different outcomes for those shot down in B-17s and those in RAF heavies. The following figures show the fates of the aircrew in the 60 MIA B-17s and the 40 MIA RAF heavies (23 Lancasters, 15 Halifaxes and two Stirlings). 1. Schweinfurt-Regensburg 60 B-17s were MIA, of which five ditched in the Mediterranean, two ditched in the North Sea and two were interned in Switzerland. 102 KIA 381 PoW 38 evaded capture and eventually returned to England 20 interned 60 rescued from the sea after their aircraft were ditched. A total of seven B-17s were ditched but the crew of one was rescued by the Germans so they are counted in the PoW total. Additionally, six men were KIA in aircraft that returned to base, and four men became PoWs after bailing out of an aircraft that returned. 2. Peenemunde 40 RAF heavy bombers were MIA 243 KIA 45 PoW In the 60 MIA B-17s, the average number of fatalities is less than two per aircraft (from a 10-man crew). In the RAF MIA, the survival rate was less than two per aircraft (from a seven-man crew). This night was particularly bad for RAF parachuters because much of the combat was over the sea.
@nickdanger3802
@nickdanger3802 Жыл бұрын
Lanc's with H2S radar had an eight-man crew.
@oOkenzoOo
@oOkenzoOo Жыл бұрын
With the end of combat in Sicily, i will write a comment about the only unit of the French forces who took part in this campaign, the 4th Moroccan Tabor. A Tabor (meaning a batallion) is composed of several Goums (light infantry units of the French Army of Africa, made of indigenous troops, the goumiers, under mainly French supervision). They are accustomed to steep mountainous terrain, effective in night fights, and particularly fierce in assaults. Arriving at the end of April 1943 on the Tunisian front, the 4th Tabor had only taken part in the end of the campaign as an isolated unit made available to the American command. However, its brilliant behavior in the fights carried out around Bizerte earned it the esteem of its allies. On June 6 1943, General Patton specially requested to General Giraud that a Tabor be made available to him. A few days later, he expressed the desire to see the 4th Tabor receive this mission, which would begin on June 25. Patton had been able to appreciate the value of this auxiliary unit in person during the Tunisian campaign. After having quickly received American weaponery, the 4th Tabor, composed of 58 French and 832 Moroccans (66th, 67th and 68th Goums) under the command of Captain Verlet, left Sefrou on July 5 1943 for Bizerte, from where it embarked on July 13 to Licata, one of the first American bridgeheads in Sicily. Upon landing at Licata, the Tabor was attached to the 3rd U.S. infantry division of General Truscott, whose objective was to take Agrigento, an important point of support. Pushed on Naro, on July 16, the 4th Tabor will be placed at the disposal of the 15th infantry regiment (Colonel Johnson) in Canicatti. From the 17th, it will ensure the protection of the Agrigento-Palermo road and the cleaning of the mountain range to the east of this axis. On July 19, it received the order to advance towards Mussomeli, and to seize Mount Vito. After a very strenuous walk, the objectives are achieved in the evening. Progress continues all night, in the direction of Cammarata. At dawn on July 20, the reactions of Italian elements supported by an artillery battery, stopped on the western heights of the Platani valley, the first echelon of the 3rd battalion of the US 15th IR and the 68th goum. A violent bombardment falls on the Tabor HQ at Hill 515 and causes some losses. Thanks to the intervention of the mortars of the Command Goum, soon supported by American artillery, the Italian guns were silenced. At the end of the day, the Italians break off the fight. At the same time the Tabor receives the order to go as quickly as possible, on the southern heights of Lercara Friddi, so as to allow the flanking of this important road junction held by the enemy. After a long night march, the Moroccans occupy their objective, and in the morning the Italian battalion of Lercara Friddi surrenders to the Americans. Thanks to this success, the US 3rd ID can make full use of the road network and launch its motorized elements in the direction of Palermo. The advance becomes so rapid that the Tabor must be transported in trucks without its animals. It thus reaches Corleone on the day of July 22. The capture of Palermo by the Americans marks the first phase of the campaign, during which the 4th Tabor obtained excellent results. In less than a week, the goumiers have traveled nearly 120 km, in varied terrain, on recon missions or guarding the flanks, often without liaison or supplies. The movements made most of the time at night, caused extreme fatigue to men, and especially to animals. But these drawbacks were largely compensated by the success achieved at the cost of very low losses, and 127 prisoners captured. Leaving the US 3rd ID continue its progression along the North coast towards Cefalu, the 4th Tabor will be directed to the region of Résultano and Alimena in the heart of the mountainous massiff of central Sicily. Its regrouping cannot be completed before July 25 due to the lack of means of transport for the animals. From this date it is attached to the first infantry division (General Allen) of the US 2nd Corps of General Bradley. This large unit is in charge of the conquest of the central part of the island by Nicosia and Troina with the help of the British coming from the South-East. This mission is made difficult by the aggressiveness of the enemy, often German, and an extremely sharp terrain, with an average altitude of 1500 m. In charge of ensuring the protection of the northern flank of the division, the 4th Tabor occupies in the evening of July 26, the surroundings of the Petralia-Gangi road. On the morning of the 27th, this last village is reached and the mission of the day is the occupation, with the US 18th IR, of Mount Sambughetti, culminating at 1558 m. The Italian defenders of this important observatory commanding the crossroads Nicosia-San Stefanodi Canasta, retreat at the end of the night and the night of July 28 was devoted to clearing the position. Seventy prisoners were captured by the goumiers who were trying to find informations about the enemy. Patrols are sent towards Mistrette, which is recognized as occupied by the Germans. Harassment fire is carried out towards the North so as to help the friendly elements blocked along the sea at San Stefano di Canasta. On the night of the 28 to 29 July, the commander of the 4th Tabor receives the order to occupy Mount Caniglio (1084 m). The 66th goum was designated to fulfill this mission, made delicate by the absence of intelligence on the enemy and a difficult terrain. A thick morning fog hampered progress, and the leading elements suddenly collided with defensive positions held by the Germans. It took the intervention of almost all the means of the 4th tabor to release the 66th goum, quite exhausted. At the end of the morning, the enemy finally retreat under fire from the 68th goum, after having suffered heavy losses. The Sicily campaign will see the 4th Tabor go from battle to battle, often covering the flanks but also as spearhead, alongside the allies, until the capture of Messina in the morning of August 17 by the US 3rd ID and the British VIIIth Army, which will mark the end of the Sicily campaign. Active operations had ceased for the 4th Tabor from 14 August. On August 19, at the bivouac of Mount Guardolia, General Giraud came to bring the 4th Tabor the greetings of France, and to express his satisfaction.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for that wealth of information on the Italian situation
@bidensanidiot8818
@bidensanidiot8818 Жыл бұрын
This is awesome work, thank you Indy and all the crew.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching with us @Jason Stephan!
@CrimsonTemplar2
@CrimsonTemplar2 Жыл бұрын
Great job Indy & team!
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you CT2. Always appreciate having you with us
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 Жыл бұрын
Common theme: "The damned enemy isn't following our script." "Next time, try sending them a copy of the script!" It worked for Operation Mincemeat! Hint for D-Day on Northern France...
@jasonmussett2129
@jasonmussett2129 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant narration as always. The quickest twenty mins- the best in my week, thanks Indy and Co😀😀😀
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for spending part of your week with us, Jason.
@jasonmussett2129
@jasonmussett2129 Жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo you're welcome 👍
@glenmartin2437
@glenmartin2437 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great video. My father, uncles and other relatives fought during WW2. I try to get our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren to study WW2. They are very ignorant of history. Thanks again.
@mohammedsaysrashid3587
@mohammedsaysrashid3587 Жыл бұрын
A wonderful introducing & coverage
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching as always
@nickcalmes8987
@nickcalmes8987 Ай бұрын
LOL at the thoughts of the Combined Chiefs shooting it out. "Next thing I know, Lommy and I heard shots ring out in the closed room. We busted in and...WELL, I just started blastin!"
@oliversherman2414
@oliversherman2414 Жыл бұрын
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much @Oliver Sherman 2, we certainly will!
@oliversherman2414
@oliversherman2414 Жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo no problem 👍
@Minikin1
@Minikin1 Жыл бұрын
Amazing coverage and delivery as always! It's insane to see the coordinated attacks on the Germans covered all at once in this style, really gives the sense that they're starting to be beaten in from all angles.
@thomasholaday674
@thomasholaday674 Жыл бұрын
Yet another great episode.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thanks @Thomas Holaday!
@davidr1037
@davidr1037 Жыл бұрын
Very good episode
@oneshotme
@oneshotme Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being here as always. We (and the YT algorithms) appreciate your thumbs ups
@pax6833
@pax6833 Жыл бұрын
"Sicily Liberated" That's an interesting choice of words I guess. It's interesting to see how emotional things were getting RE what to do next and where to go for the allies. You think a big victory like this would help calm some tensions. And god dang King is a total drama queen.
@Its__Good
@Its__Good Жыл бұрын
"Berlin liberated from the Nazis"
@danielstickney2400
@danielstickney2400 Жыл бұрын
Interesting but not entirely incorrect. The Italian public at large was never enthusiastic about the war after Italy's enormous suffering in WWI and even less so after the Axis declared war on the US, as there were very close ties between Italy and the relatively large Italian-American community, which was largely made up of southern Italian and Sicilian emigrees. The fascist government was mostly northern Italian and had been very heavy-handed governing the south, exacerbating Italy's longstanding regional tensions. And there were longstanding links between the British and southern Italy as well due to their trade in wine and citrus. So there probably were a large number of Sicilians who believed the US and Brits were liberating them from the fascists. Were they a majority? Who knows? Also, King had a longstanding antipathy towards the British and a personal grudge against the Japanese after Pearl Harbor and a whole host of other Japanese naval victories so it's not surprising he would prioritize operations in the Pacific.
@korbell1089
@korbell1089 Жыл бұрын
Have to remember that the Pacific was a naval war. The Atlantic needed escorts vessels but the Pacific needed fleets, so naturally a naval man would want to make it a priority.
@Rocketsong
@Rocketsong Жыл бұрын
@@korbell1089 The War for the US started with the Empire of Japan attacking a US Naval Base. King thought the entire war in Europe was a distraction from fighting the real enemy.
@aaroncabatingan5238
@aaroncabatingan5238 Жыл бұрын
@@Rocketsong He's not wrong. For the Americans, Europe was Britain and Russia's show.
@patrickmcglynn5383
@patrickmcglynn5383 Жыл бұрын
I really want to watch this now,but I'm saving it for my Sunday coffee. There's only a few channels I hit like before I watch and this is one.
@davidsnow9504
@davidsnow9504 Жыл бұрын
Things are a movin'!! Great job team!!
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thanks David!!
@nickdanger3802
@nickdanger3802 Жыл бұрын
"British-American co-operation in the war was unique in history. As Lord Halifax said in his farewll speech at Washington, never before had two countries fought a war with so great a unity of military, industrial, and political effort. Two nations with sharply differing temperaments and outlook performed, in partnership, a miracle." para 2 Hansard BRITISH-AMERICAN WAR CO-OPERATION (HISTORY) HC Deb 24 March 1947 page
@CrossOfBayonne
@CrossOfBayonne Жыл бұрын
Gun wise the M1 Carbine made it's combat debut in the Sicilian campaign when US soldiers and paratroopers began using them in small numbers against Italian and German forces, It's my favorite WW2 weapon and was prior to this only mainly issued to guys who were either stationed stateside or in Great Britain.
@captainnutsack8151
@captainnutsack8151 Жыл бұрын
Sparty with the "absolutely!" from off-camera had me in stitches 🤣
@RubberToeYT
@RubberToeYT Жыл бұрын
Great episode as always
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thanks @RubberToe
@procyonant6805
@procyonant6805 Жыл бұрын
General Patton participated in the Olympic Games (modern pentathlon) in 1912. Who else of the military leaders was a participant in the Olympic Games in his youth?
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 Жыл бұрын
Phenomenal episode as always
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you Indy!
@naveenraj2008eee
@naveenraj2008eee Жыл бұрын
Hi indy Another wonderfull week. Busy week. Seems like this war reach culmination point. Thanks for the video.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you, certainly another busy week in a busy war. See you next time
@angelostriandos6659
@angelostriandos6659 Жыл бұрын
I will wait the video about Pyke !
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 Жыл бұрын
Another fine video from this channel
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you Broken Bridge. Glad seeing you in the comments every week. Never forget
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 Жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo---Your welcome
@toddmoss1689
@toddmoss1689 Жыл бұрын
17:19 August 1943 was a huge month for JG-52 and Lt Erich Hartman, who almost doubled his victory count during that month. The Black Devil has arrived!
@gunman47
@gunman47 Жыл бұрын
A footnote this week on August 15 1943 is that the 151st Airborne Tank Company is established by the United States Army with the aim of operating M22 Locust air-portable tanks. However, the unit would remain in the United States and never saw combat during the war as the US Army had little interest in using the airborne tanks, along with several faults that were identified in the M22 tank.
@Ramzi1944
@Ramzi1944 Жыл бұрын
@@aleksazunjic9672 ah yes, that little cheeky bastard
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 Жыл бұрын
Calling those things tanks is a bit of a stretch...
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dickson. Great piece of info
@lag767
@lag767 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you Leo!
@TR_Conqueror
@TR_Conqueror Жыл бұрын
That little music in the background was well done!
@wildcolonialman
@wildcolonialman Жыл бұрын
Excellent.
@ErikHare
@ErikHare Жыл бұрын
Ploesti and now Regensburg. Sure, they didn't go well but the boldness of the Allies is astonishing.
@andreasstrauss5194
@andreasstrauss5194 Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact about the Messerschmidt bombing one of the buildings was repaired and is still used by another company i used to work for the architecture still looks like the 20s or so in there its brilliant
@FrancoisRoy
@FrancoisRoy Жыл бұрын
I live 10 min away from the Château Frontenac. Of course, I was aware of the allied conferences that took place there, but had never heard about shots being fired?!?! =D Hoping to learn more about that in your upcoming Pyke special.. hopefully anyway!?
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thanks Francois, stay tuned. I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised
@eamonreidy9534
@eamonreidy9534 Жыл бұрын
I can't get over the disparity in casualties on the Eastern front even at this point
@tiekiller7795
@tiekiller7795 Жыл бұрын
"Jolly good race" is the most British thing to say omg
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 Жыл бұрын
More a British upper class thing. Further down the hierarchy "bloody hell" might have been a more common reaction.
@thunderbird1921
@thunderbird1921 Жыл бұрын
The British "gentleman officer" stereotype has never been made stronger. Also, I just had to laugh at the story of the officers meeting and literally shooting at the material to demonstrate it.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 Жыл бұрын
@@thunderbird1921 Around this time, or slightly earlier or later, Peter Ustinov, who was on an entertainment tour although only a private in the British Army, noted that US military engineers who had had a drink too many were playing practical jokes with explosives. A senior British officer who had been sacked by Montgomery and was awaiting re-assignment was sitting in a chair smoking a pipe. A small explosive charge was detonated and brought down much of the ceiling on him. He was covered in plaster but merely muttered, "Ruined my confounded weed." The engineers were disappointed by his lack of reaction, which was typical of the "stiff upper lip". (I can see them doing that to a British NCO who would be more likely to shout, "you f£££ing Yank c££ts" and then swing at them with his fists - stiff upper lip was more an upper class thing.)
@marshalleubanks2454
@marshalleubanks2454 Жыл бұрын
Just as a BTW, Stalino is now known as Donetsk; it has been in the military news recently.
@chuckvt5196
@chuckvt5196 Жыл бұрын
"War is the mother of necessity." Great quote, Indy! Bravo guys!
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you Chuck!
@catfishkempster
@catfishkempster Жыл бұрын
Another great episode - thank you so much! But I have to admit something: I thnk there's a short circuit in my brain, because when when you say "War..." at 18:50(ish) - my brain fully prepared for you to follow it with "What is it good for?" I probably shouldn't have shared that, but there it is. Anyway, you folks rock - please keep it up!
@jamesbinns8528
@jamesbinns8528 Жыл бұрын
That tells your age!
@jamesgould1759
@jamesgould1759 Жыл бұрын
"Absolutely Nuthin" and the older I get the more it seems that way.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you Lee! We appreciate your kind words
@stephenwhitworth3151
@stephenwhitworth3151 Жыл бұрын
As joyous as I shall be when the unspeakable humanitarian horrors that are the corollary of WWII end with the defeat of the Axis Powers, I must confess, Indy: the prospect of no longer having your weekly holistic and strategic reports on the conflict; Spartacus’s brilliant, rhetorically powerful, but painfully edifying accounts of the great human cost of the War; and Astrid’s charming and clever explorations of the secret espionage wars being waged by each side-the prospect of no longer having your amazing, edifying, and impressive historiography to appreciate each week *does* make me feel rather bleak…
@UKSoundDesigner
@UKSoundDesigner Жыл бұрын
I really hope they cover the Korean war after. Recently learned my grandfather was a carrier pilot in that war and I know very little about it.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Stephen thank you for your incredibly kind words. We appreciate having you with us as we move through this difficult history
@marioshobbyhq
@marioshobbyhq Жыл бұрын
Around 3:20 you are showing two red points identifying (I think) two towns, Messina (correct) and "Calabria" (incorrect): the latter town is "Reggio Calabria" while the entire region is called "Calabria" (the point of the "Italian boot"). For completeness, it means "Reggio of Calabria", to distinguish by the samename town of "Reggio of Emilia" (Reggio Emilia) in northern Italy.
@nickgooderham2389
@nickgooderham2389 Жыл бұрын
At 1:14, dude nobody outside of Canada will recognize, but a hugely important figure in WW2 is William Lyon Mackenzie King, prime minister of Canada. He and Churchill have known each other since 1900 when they first meet in Ottawa. King is noted as being an important mediator between Churchill and Roosevelt, with it often been said that he speaks both english and american. Churchill wants King to be at the table for all discussions at this conference, but Roosevelt vetos this as he does want to expand the "club".
@stc3145
@stc3145 Жыл бұрын
I recognized him from Hearts of Iron 4. Love playing as Canada in that game
@nickdanger3802
@nickdanger3802 Жыл бұрын
Canadian relations with the US became notably closer during the war. From the moment King resumed office in 1935, he had cultivated his connection with Roosevelt. During the first months of the war there was little contact, but the fears aroused by early German victories immediately produced a rapprochement. On 18 August 1940, King and Roosevelt, meeting at Ogdensburg, New York, announced an agreement (not a formal treaty) to set up a Permanent Joint Board on Defence, which met frequently thereafter to discuss mutual defence problems. In 1941, Canada's balance of payments with the US became serious, largely because of the difficulty of financing imports from the US resulting from Canada 's industrial production for Britain. It was solved by the Hyde Park Declaration on 20 April. Nevertheless, King sometimes worried over what he saw as a danger of the US absorbing Canada. A reaction to American activity in the Canadian North (e.g., the building of the Alaska Highway in 1942) was the appointment in 1943 of a Special Commissioner for Defence Projects in the Northwest, to reinforce Canadian control in the region. Canada had no effective part in the higher direction of the war. This would have been extremely difficult to obtain, and Mackenzie King never exerted himself strongly to obtain it. It is possible that he anticipated that doing so would have an adverse effect upon his personal relations with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and American President Franklin D. Roosevelt, which he considered very important to him politically. Canadian Encyclopedia Second World War Relations with Allies
@nickgooderham2389
@nickgooderham2389 Жыл бұрын
@@nickdanger3802 Yes, King was a pragmatist. Despite objections from members of his cabinet he does not in any way object to being excluded from conference table. He is more concerned about maintaining good relations with his allies and winning the war then he is about is own personal standing, something unusual in a leader, but then he was an unusual character.
@ToddSauve
@ToddSauve Жыл бұрын
@@nickdanger3802 King was also an occultist who held seances during WW2 to get in contact with his dead dog and have conversations. I'm not making one world of this up. He also tried to contact his dead mother, Franklin Roosevelt after he died in April 1945 and the long dead Leonardo da Vinci. This guy was the PM of Canada during WW2. I frankly don't know what else to say ... 🤔🤷‍♂
@jamesbinns8528
@jamesbinns8528 Жыл бұрын
@@ToddSauve Spiritism/Spiritualism was common in the early 1900s. Arthur Conan Doyle was also a practitioner. I tend to view it as I do any other religion.
@jangelbrich7056
@jangelbrich7056 Жыл бұрын
I love it when Indy imitates Churchill =)
@alexamerling79
@alexamerling79 Жыл бұрын
"No enemy bomber can reach the Ruhr. If one reaches the Ruhr, you may call me Meier."-Hermann Goering. Oof
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 Жыл бұрын
You mean Hermann "Meier" Goering, of course.....
@necrosismusik7109
@necrosismusik7109 Жыл бұрын
I wanted to say this is an amazing series which gives such a detailed and in depth view of one of the if not the most intereting and impactful events in history and i watch every episode as soon as it airs. I just have one question, why didnt you just wait a year so it would have been 80 and not 79 years apart?
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
@necrosismusik When you're ready to start something you just have to go for it 😋
@53HB
@53HB Жыл бұрын
Tube alloys was based near me at the mustard gas factory at rhydymyn near mold in north wales ,the site is now a nature reserve ,the huts that are left standing have formulas written all over the walls in pencil ,as no pens or paper were allowed on site .. no records kept either so thousands of tons of mustard gas ordinance that overcooked is buried all over the valley . It can never be built on .i was told that in one of the underground tunnels the Geiger counter still goes off the scale
@nickdanger3802
@nickdanger3802 Жыл бұрын
Were there any accidents?
@53HB
@53HB Жыл бұрын
@@nickdanger3802 as I said above no pens or paper were allowed on site so nothing was recorded , workers came in by train and had to strip off and change into work clothes on arrival .even today there’s a guard house and electronic gate to gain access to the site .. there are posters around the site explaining about tube alloys . Also a couple of stones marked toxic pit from the mustard gas days . The access to the caves is via a huge blast door marked with a radiation symbol
@DangerousMinds0
@DangerousMinds0 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@maciejkamil
@maciejkamil Жыл бұрын
Japanese: you can't do blitzkrieg on small Islands! Americans: island hopping go wrrrrrr.
@trescatorce9497
@trescatorce9497 Жыл бұрын
it is a shame Gen. Marshal was not listened to. Southern France has at least 2 major ports= Toulon and Marseille. No Atlantic wall here. From these ports, Patton's 3rd hauling ass straight north
@merdiolu
@merdiolu Жыл бұрын
Southern France was hundreds of miles away extra from main German industrial zones in North West Europe and main German port cities at North Sea which weere the main strategic economic and political objectives. And US Army training had been still insufficient , there were not enough landing craft (they landed on Salerno next month with only three divisions piecementally landing ) when Germans could concentrate and box them in in Southern France France by rushing many more divisions with excellent French road and rail network at their disposal (uninterrupted land transport usually beats naval build up by only seaborne , check Gallipoli Campaign in 1915) and most importantly Southern France was out of Allied air cover. And of course assuming Germans would not demolish and wreck Toulon and Marseille in 1943 (they did not in 1944 but Allies had no way of knowing that in hindsight) Even Captain America George Patton would struggle to hold and not pushed back to sea under those conditions Marshall had no idea what he was talking about strategically
@josif409
@josif409 Жыл бұрын
of all people I thought would mention the eruption of Mt Etna as a final dramatic backdrop, I thought it would be Indy
@ewok40k
@ewok40k Жыл бұрын
Peenemuende was possibly most important RAF air raid of the war. Delaying V weapons by even month or 2 saved thousands of Londoners.
@zyk1435
@zyk1435 Жыл бұрын
we need a special episode, maybe even a mini series dedicated to the secret weapons and projects of the allies and axis powers
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Zyk Every episode is a great investment of research, time, and money, and we can't do it without your support! Join the TimeGhost Army today and help us make more of those specials! www.patreon.com/join/timeghosthistory
@robertlamb5138
@robertlamb5138 Жыл бұрын
August 19 was the 80th anniversary of the doomed raid on Dieppe where my local regiment the Essex Scottish got really creamed.
@coryhall7074
@coryhall7074 Жыл бұрын
And even more at Verriers Ridge in Normandy. The Essex Scottish took the most casualties of any Canadian battalion in WW2
@efnissien
@efnissien Жыл бұрын
Geoffrey Pyke was a genius, interestingly his cousin, Magnus Pyke was in the ministry of food & was responsible for calculating the calorific intake each people required based on their trade & there fore their allocated ration. Magnus became a bit of a celebrity in the UK in the 1960's 1970's & 1980's with his wildly gesticulating arms and almost frantic delivery on TV. He was so popular, that he featured on Thomas Dolby's 1982 single "She blinded me with science" (which was the theme for the pilot of 'The big bang theory') and in 1975 was named New Scientist magazines third most well known and Characteristic Scientist (Newton and Einstein were First & Second).
@efnissien
@efnissien Жыл бұрын
Also Jasper Maskerlyne is worth a look (he was a bit of a self publicist and bullshit merchant though)
@lifeindetale
@lifeindetale Жыл бұрын
This is the latest and greatest yt. I'll see you nex time
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@cecilstehelin1277
@cecilstehelin1277 Жыл бұрын
There was some element of comical tragedy with the retaking Kiska. Since the allied units were wary of a sudden attack and apprehensive of the land mines and booby traps the Japanese had left. A friendly firefight broke out in the mist when two different units ran into each other. The Allies taking 313 mostly self inflicted casualties to retake an abandoned isle.
@yes_head
@yes_head Жыл бұрын
Operation Hydra? Call in the Cap'n! 😉 But the Peenemunde operations did highlight the need for bombers and fighters with night-fighting capability. Soon radar started showing up on all kinds of aircraft, with dedicated night fighters like the P-61 in the works.
@gaslitworldf.melissab2897
@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 Жыл бұрын
You still blow me away with your detailed blow by blow. Cheers. Mr. Excitement.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching as always
@sschmidtevalue
@sschmidtevalue Жыл бұрын
Mythbusters tested Pykrete. It was an intriguing exercise, but not very practical.
@palmergriffiths1952
@palmergriffiths1952 Жыл бұрын
My Grandfather was in the Italian campaign. He was a Canadian member of The First Special Service Force (The Black Devil's). They were attached to General Mark Clarke's 5th American Army and there commanding officer was Robert T. Frederick They landed on The Anzio beach head and saw action at the Mussolini Canal , Monte La Difensa, Monte Sammucro The advance to the Tyber and The drive to Rome.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing about your Grandfather's time in the war
@palmergriffiths1952
@palmergriffiths1952 Жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo You're welcome. Love your channel it's awesome
@russellhanley4417
@russellhanley4417 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent episode. Just one small quibble.The town of Lae in PNG is pronounced 'Lay'.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
Thank you Russell
@petergray7576
@petergray7576 Жыл бұрын
"Hans?" "Yes, Gunther." "We're in the Luftwaffe, right?" "If I recall correctly, that is the force we enlisted in earlier in the war." "Then why are driving in a bloody tank?" "Well.. uhhh..." "Do tanks fly, Hans? Do they drop bombs? Do they make incredible aerobatical maneuvers, except maybe when a turret blows off?" "Nooo....." "Then why is the air force fighting in tanks? Is this why we're not stopping the air raids over the Fatherland? Because we are having a bit of an identity crisis, Hans? Are Those Who Must Be Obeyed operating under the delusion that they're a herd of cud chewing llamas, Hans?" "Gunther, I don't think the Fuhrer and Reichs Air Marshal are quite that far gone." "Well that's bloody reassuring, but that still leaves unanswered questions, Hans. Like why are we in Sicily of all godforsaken places? You can barely ride a donkey in this countryside, so how is a tank "flown" by air force personnel going to any more useful? Everything is upside down here, Hans, everything is floating like a school of dead goldfish." "Gunther, stop asking why things are the way they are. If you don't then you'll see this whole war is insane. And then you'll go insane while we're hundreds of kilometers from home, and then I'll have to shoot you because an insane soldier is a liability to our survival."
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 Жыл бұрын
Surprising deployments were not unusual. A fair number of German sailors were issued army field uniforms with naval insignia added, helmets and rifles and sent to fight as ground troops. Especially later in the war.
@Activated_Complex
@Activated_Complex Жыл бұрын
The Bomber Mafia by Malcom Gladwell goes into some detail as to what happened with the Schweinfurt-Regensburg raid. One of the two bombardment groups assigned to the mission, under General Curtis LeMay, had practiced taking off in the fog, and were prepared when a thick blanket of it rolled in as per the forecast. The other had not, and delayed their takeoff by three hours. So what was supposed to be a simultaneous attack on two targets, instead, became two raids, hours apart, with plenty of time for the Luftwaffe’s fighters to refuel and rearm, allowing them to badly maul both groups. While we can’t say for certain what the losses would have looked like had both bombardment groups been coordinated better, it’s not hard to imagine them being halved, with the full force of the Luftwaffe being able to hit the formations only once.
@MrNicoJac
@MrNicoJac Жыл бұрын
Malcolm Gladwell is absolutely amazing. Another interesting video on that raid can be found on The Operations Room channel.
@Sabrowsky
@Sabrowsky Жыл бұрын
The guards tensely wondering wether or not their bosses are shooting at each other seems something straight out of an Armando Iannucci film
@5chr4pn3ll
@5chr4pn3ll Жыл бұрын
Speaking of secret weapons; the V1 and V2 are cool and all that, but will you talk about the lesser known V3 weapon?
@michaelkovacic2608
@michaelkovacic2608 Жыл бұрын
Especially since the V3 is probably the best synergy between being cost-effective and lethal.
@dezbiggs6363
@dezbiggs6363 Жыл бұрын
Wow never heard of this. I'm gonna go look it up thanks
@HebaruSan
@HebaruSan Жыл бұрын
This is not a dig at all at TimeGhost, but I'm starting to get exhausted with this war. It must have been like that at the time. No wonder people were so happy when it ended!
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo Жыл бұрын
@HebaruSan Following it the way we do really does give a certain perspective doesn't it!
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