I find a real life insight like this far more useful than any magazine review. Time and again I've thought about a Triumph or a KTM, but there are just too many horror stories around. My idea if fun isn't hanging around a dealer's trying to get a warranty claim approved. I'll be sticking with Japanese bikes. Currently running a 97 Blade and a 97 TRX850. No issues at all with either, and they aren't garage queens - I ride 7 days a week.

I picked up a 2018 Tiger 800 XRX new a few years ago. 21,000 miles later I am still pleased with the purchase. No problems so far…just tires, brakes, oil changes and battery. The Tiger replaced my 2013 Bonneville that also only required routine maintenance. The Tiger 800 has been a great bike.

I sold mine after getting stranded in Wales. I live in Northern Ireland. Bike refused to turn over. Had to get a recovery lorry to Dublin and my son to come down in a van (120 miles) to collect me from the docks. The antenna wasnt reading the key. No roadside fix. Cost me £350 for repair. £200 for recovery. and 2 months off the road. Handled great. loved it but this was my second Triumph that failed . Not again. On a speed triple the indicators stopped working and the dealer refused to fix it (4 months old) because I had an aftermarket pipe fitted.?! Complained to Triumph directly and they backed the dealer up. Shocking attitude all round. Currently have a 12 year old suzuki bandit 1250 that is faultless, and goes like stink

£900 for a dash? They are having a laugh.Triumphs are way overpriced for a bike made in Thailand,rip off prices.

I had a brand new 2010 Triumph. Once the dealer had my money, they treated me like a nuisance. I was told not to ride it in anything other than sunshine as the finishes where poor and that I had 'an attitude problem' when I complained. I flogged it and bought a Japanese bike, no problems. Sad but true.

"That's why I like old bikes, it leads to conversations" Note to self: never buy an old bike

Very enlightening... thanks for the info, I have definately taken this on board. 👍🖖

Great video with a lot of helpful information 👌

Sorry to hear about your bad experience with the dealer. My local Triumph dealer in York has been a pleasure to deal with since day one. Just had one year service, some warranty work and new tyre and I'm over the moon with the work and the staff at the shop.

First? Dunno. Nice one Russ, always good to see you uploading

A proper honest review, too many glowing reviews of Triumphs by people who don’t actually own them and base it on a one hour test ride! None of these issues should be occurring with a basically new £12,000 bike. Headlight condensation is a basic failing.

Great review really informative

Very informative video, I have never been a fan of the TFT screens so I'm glad I got the 2017 model, haven't had any condensation issues and the control buttons haven't shown any signs of wear but they are different to the new ones. Will certainly be listening out for that cam chain noise, thanks for the warning.

You're not the only one to have issues with Triumph. As someone who was considering a new Triumph< I did a lot of searching on the web and found major issues with Gearboxes as well as the issues you've outlined. It was enough for me to go elsewhere. Thanks for a great video

Very helpful👍

Thank you for the heads up 👍 looks like I’ll be keeping my 2017 wee strom then 👍 I always fancied the XRX 🤷‍♂️👎 I knew Triumphs have been going down hill for a couple of years with different models but never realised it was that bad!😱 Safe riding, thanks again 👍

I remember Missenden Flyer coming up through Matlock on His Peak District clip some years back (2015 ?) .. I thought it was the same street with all the bikes ..I had to come back and have another look at the begining of this clip ... If we ever get this Coved out or our system I have to come have a look ..Being a traditional potter I need to go to the Nottingham Museum to see its collection of 13th century English pots and Denby as well ... Also Haddon Hall is one I have always wanted to see ... Glad to have bikes in the middle of it all ..

Thanks for the heads up, was on the short list no pun intended 👍

This information is the public service we need. It informs, helps avoid buyer remorse and should help wake the manufacturer up (feedback is a gift and all that). I'll stick with my lovely Honda though dealership observations are all too common. Thank you.

Great 👍 video.. love it 😀

Thanks. I had enough money to choose practically any bike. I got a 650 V-Strom. I wondered if going down market was the right choice. 35000 km later after exactly zero problems, you've confirmed that I did. So far I've changed the oil and filter 7 times, adjusted the chain once, changed 3 tyres on it and washed off the bugs. One of the rubbers between the seat and the frame has gone walkabout. That's it.

Thanks for your candor.

One of the reasons I chose my v strom 1050xt after 7 years of my Ducati multistrada 1000 was I want bulletproof Japanese reliability from my next bike, it's been a beautiful experience so far 🙂 I live in notts & commute by bike everyday always throw you & your learners a nod 🙂 , happy riding.

I’ve got two cheap Honda’s, both built in japan, both take a hammering, look a bit scruffy but mechanically sound and incredibly cheap to run ... no plans to change, modern bikes just getting too complex and electronic/computery.

Thank you for honest information. Many reviewers of new bikes are very optimistic, but first of all they are given new bikes with low mileage and secondly in my country they are often somehow in official or unofficial relations with dealers or importers.

very good video, sir. Quite well done.

I've been riding a 1974 Norton Commando for over ten years with dozens of worry-free miles.

Are any of the Triumphs manufactured in the UK anymore? I've always loved the Triumph Tiger 800 and that triple, I love the triple sound! I have a Honda sport bike but I'm still leaning towards Triumph for an Adventure, I need advice.

Thx for your honest review, had a 2011 Triumph 800XC so pre TFT - and have to say this was up there as my favorite bike together with my current XJR1300 also the 2011 model. Had the 800GS and sold it on quickly - what a disappointment and like with you the service was just a disgrace. I now ride my XJR1300 and found a great little garage in town to service it so happy now.

I was looking at the new smaller 660 tiger coming out next year, but after listening to not just this review but others too i think i will look at other bikes

I Live in Spain, own a 2014 Street Triple 675r. I have to say I've always found the dealer exemplary. perhaps its just luck or maybe they take more pride in their service. I do jobs like oil changes myself. Just changed the air filter to a K&N plus I have just changed the coolant . The tyres are changed by a dedicated motorcycle tyre specialist who is completely 'geared up' for the needs of motorcycles.....(not damaging the wheels)....A dealers staff reflects the company image. If they neither don't realise that or simple don't care they deserve to go out of business

I had the 2018 xca, I also had the tft screen replaced , as it started showing water marks under the screen. After less than 3k the first discs had warped and had to be replaced. The front screen was scratched while at a service and I had no way to prove it......I did not go for a comfy seat and paid the price on a long tour......now have the 2020 Kawasaki 1000sx.....very happy.......

Thanks very much for the heads up. I am in the market for a new adventure bike and the new 900 rally was very high on the list. I am not a fan of tft,s on bikes or any of the electronics that they all seem to have to have now. What,s wrong with experience and ability or am I part of a dying breed?

I’ve heard so many people complain not just about reliability problems with Triumph but also the resistance encountered when problems arise that require warranty claims. I too really like their bikes but the brand reliability and running costs put me right off.

I've always liked the idea of owning a Triumph but I think I'll stick with my kawasaki versys 1000. Thanks for the insight 👍.

My 2015 made in Hinckley Tiger Explorer is still going strong, and it's sad to hear that their standards are dropping because it was the build quality of my bike that sold me on it, and after 5 years mine still looks like new (when i clean it sometimes) I've raised the hard seat con on one of my vids in the past, it's an utter exploit

That's just sad. Its a really good bike and does it all. But when these kinds of things happens it just leaves a sour enough taste in you mouth that its not even worth it anymore. And for the price you would expect the quality and reliability.

Good video , sorry to hear ur bike had so many problems .. i currently own a 2014 tiger 800 "bought new" and put 42k miles on it without a single issue n have no plans on selling it cause its such a good bike . Maybe triumph will get it right in 2020 n 21

As an IAM Observer I get to speak to lots of bikers and unfortunately can confirm that your’s is not an isolated case, lots of Triumph owners seem to have issues. The only saving grace is that the dealer here in Manchester (Youle) seems to be pretty good. However by far the worse from a build quality perspective is BMW, I had a GS which I loved from a riding perspective but in the 1st year the engine and shaft drive were replaced due to the paint crazing leading to corrosion, two months later the exhaust system was replaced because the butterfly failed and is not replaceable on its own, twice it went in for the rear calliper to be stripped because it had seized and finally the cruise control packed in and the left switch cluster had to be replaced. All this in two years. When the dealer emailed me saying your warranty is about to expire, fetch your bike in so that we can replace any failing parts while they are still covered I was gob smacked! Even the dealers know what a bag of shit these bikes are. Again I have countless horror stories of failed ESA shocks, ABS units, piss poor paint etc. I’ve had lots Japanese bikes and none of them have had issues like these. I had a Yamaha Fazer thou that was abused for seven years, washed it once a year, serviced it less and it never missed a beat.

I experienced a similar problem with a street triple r nine months old engine issues culminating In the engine being stripped diagnosed faulty valve buckets I lost faith as well and traded it in Similar issues with a Thruxton faulty sensor engine lights came on went back to the garage I was never informed as to the problem like you I loved both bikes but my confidence was shot I to worry about the quality control particularly now these bikes are being produced abroad It does not surprise me when I read that Royal Enfield sales are on the increase I owned a gt continental for a while and was very Impressed with the quality of the bike when you realise how much they cost No electronics to go wrong

Nice video Russ. I've got a 2016 Street triple which I've from new which has had a rough ride in places as well. It was fine for the first 10000 miles and then things started to change. Mine rattles as well (particularly on a hot day). It doesn't fill you full of confidence! When I had the big 12000 mile service done I had to have steering head race bearings changed. Turned out that they hadn't greased them at the factory!! Luckily this was replaced under Triumph after a lot of pushing by dealer even though it was out of warranty. My dealer was very angry with Triumph and demanded that it was replaced! My clutch started rattling after 10000 miles. At very low revs (2500-3500) when you were initially coming off the clutch it would rattle (like a Ducati dry clutch) until you got up to 4000. Nasty at town speeds. The mechanic and the dealer were not happy with it at the 12000 mile service, told me to keep an eye on it and tell them if it got worse and it did. When I did tell them (500 miles/3 months later), then same efforts had to be put in by the dealer to get it replaced to Triumph. Triumph said a stupid comment to the dealer that "I hadn't done a lot of miles compared to previous years/when I had serviced it?!" No wonder!! I thought the clutch was going to crap itself. It shouldn't have gone in that time and I baby the bike around anyway; I'm a very steady rider. No clutch up wheelies and hard getaways for me! Luckily after around a month and a half a new clutch came in free of charge and with the dealers consent I fitted it all myself using the Triumph manual to the letter. The clutch basket was worn and the selector bearing was rumbly as hell!!! It was perfect at first, and a bit abrupt, but it has become noisier but a lot more progressive, so I just wish that its just bedded in now properly and it stays that way. I've done almost 2000 miles on it. I am a big lover of Triumphs (along with my Dad), we've had 4 over the years (Bonneville, Thunderbird 900, Sprint RS, Street Triple, Street Twin) but not one of them has filled us with complete confidence at times with whether they are quality products. With personal experience Triumph seems to have changed more recently with their "atmosphere" in dealerships and at shows. In 2005 when my Dad bought a new Sprint RS they seemed concerned and aimed at trying to resolve the issue and seemed down to earth and approachable. They have this air of arrogance about them now that they know best and can't take criticism. I've gone for a design engineer job at the factory in the past and I got it there as well. You can sell a bike on a heritage but once you lose confidence and loyalty, it doesn't matter how good something might be in the future it will hard to get someone back.

Hi that was very interesting I have been looking at Triumph lately for the first time , and been wondering about this drift to so many electronics compared to what i currently ride . I am thinking they are great to have until they start acting up . Thanks very eye opening vlog well done 👍 Mal :)

I'm going to assume the dealer would be based in Long Eaton? If so, I'm also not a fan for the exact reasons you mentioned. I don't want attitude when dealing with a £10k+ purchase...

I'm glad I've stumbled across your video as I was tempted to chop my Interceptor 650 (first bike) in for a Tiger 800. Have they miraculously sorted these issues out on the Tiger 900 or should I look elsewhere?

I recently sold my 2018 Tiger 800 XCX. I loved the bike, but 2 things that influenced my decision to sell: 1) takes way too long to replace the air filter. Its buried under a lot of plastic and fairings. It can easily take over an hour. 2) Triumph doesnt sell paper service manuals. You have to buy an online subscription to access the service manual.

Unfortunately a lot of triumph fan's are ditching the company with the new models due to them relocating abroad and the quality issues big big shame. I think they have pushed core buyer's away. Car industry is the same i see many cars that are the same but all got different badges. Do we even know what we are driving these days? Lol.🤣Old is gold😀👍

Watching this on the cusp of buying a leftover ‘19 Tiger 800; think I’ll be on the cusp a tad longer . . . thanks!

Thanks for the warnings... I now value my existing ZZR1400 far far more, especially with its analogue speedo...

I Love it when they say no one else has had a problem.

I have a 1995 sprint 900 made at Hinckley and do the maintenance myself together with Haynes manual, drives and steers fine. Great engine and never any problems with this Triumph!

Hi, thanks for the video, I always find them interesting and I’ve learned a hell of a lot from them since returning to biking earlier this year. I have one question for you. You do sometimes seem to favour the left hand side of the lane that you’re in quite a lot. I tend to favour further to the right depending on oncoming traffic and corners etc. One of my worries about being further to the left is my visibility to cars further up who are waiting to turn right and potentially pull out on me. What are your thoughts please? My theory is that I’d be more visible to them if I’m further to the right. Many thanks, and keep them coming.

Purchased a 2018 street triple in May with 4 k on it ,did 287 miles before the factory alarm cooked the tft instrument cluster and left me stranded .Got the bike recovered to a Triumph dealership who diagnosed the u/s instrument cluster £770 +vat + fitting.Bike now gone and will never buy a Triumph ever again ,they look good but low quality components let the brand down.

I had a 3 year old 65 plate 800XRx(with only 608 miles), but with 5 extras fitted. The comfort seat, the under frame bash plate, the beak, the centre stand and the hand guards. I also had the 'cruise control switch gear replaced, as it became intermittent. However, I had previously bought a Yamaha MT10 and had that delivered with a 'Comfort Seat', because the standard seat is useless. I couldn't 'Gel' with my Tiger, so I sold it. Still have the MT10 though!

Informative video, fancied an adventure style or touring style bike, done some enduro riding and sold it to change, limited road experience so far. Was looking at 18/19/20 tiger 800's but can't ignore reliability issues. What would you recommend for a tall rider, 6ft 2, something mid size with comfort and room for my height? Thanks 🙂

I'm truly sorry for you the Tiger 800 is a lovely bike to ride. I have been riding for 50 years & learn from your channel all the time thank you. I have a 2018 Tiger 800XCA. It blew the Oxygen Sensor on day 1 leaving the dealership. Other than that I've had no problems. Most of the time I ride once a week /fortnight mainly on unsealed roads & for several hundred km. The rpm seems to sit around 4 - 5,000 depending. I ride with a lot of sympathy for the engine. Sounds like I've been lucky. I took out an extended warranty. I did alter a lot of things for off-road riding even though the XCA is the top of the range off-road model. A lot more emphasis on styling than practicality by Triumph. No problem with the seat although I'm thinking about adding height as I'm 6'4" and the old legs are over bend when going from sitting to standing. I've lowered the pegs by 15mm. another 15m on the seat would be good.

I was thinking of changing my 2015 Tiger 800 Xcx for something more up to date but I don't really want a TFT display. Perhaps I should keep it as I've just had 18K service done and new tyres.

Thanks for this RN I was on the cusp of changing my BMW F750gs for one of these "bad boys " I previously owned a Tiger 1050 sport and loved it. It was a quality bike. However it appears that Triumphs cost cutting and outsourcing to Thailand have actually had a detrimental effect on the quality of the brand. I think I will stick with the Beemer. Cheers for your input.

Mirrors my experience, almost exactly. I had a 1200 Explorer, great to ride, great looking, but horrendous build quality. The only Triumph I have had in 40+ years of motorcycle ownership, never again.

If the bevel box on a Rocket Three leaks oil it's a £1,000 plus job to repair as Triumph do not make this item serviceable or offer a Service Exchange Part. They will sell you a new Bevel Box though. The Dealer push back that you experienced was disgraceful, especially as these are a premium priced brand. Great to get real world opinions instead of the usual gushing press, too frightened to criticize lest they lose their perks.

Not surprised knowing the Bloor family behind it all. Thanks for sharing. Such a shame they let a such a great design team down with production short cuts and cons to part you with your cash. Always been Honda or Kawasaki for me.

Oh dear....British Leyland springs to mind in this case unfortunately!

Thays why i like hondas. Never top specs, always heavier and slower when compared to other brands but usually extremelly reliable on all kind of weather.

Good video talking to two owners separately both big problems with gearbox & engine both got initial fob off from dealers till both went thru in detail what was wrong citing mechanical issues

I had a Yamaha MT09 and had two different parts replaced under warranty. Japenese bikes have issues too!

This craze for TFT dashes is doing my head in. How many 10-20 years old bikes are still on the road with clocks that work? How many present day bikes will still have working TFT dashboards in 10 years' time?

I would love to like Triumph!

I've been looking at a Tiger 800 XC 2011 model the past few days. Prior to that I was planning to go with a Kawasaki Versys 650 around the same year model. I could also go for a V-Strom 650, but a friend of mine has one, and it would be more fun to have different bikes so we can try out each of the bikes... I really started to think much of the Triumph lately though, as the price for this particular one wasn't too high, and it got more off-road capabilities. However, after I've stumbled upon these real insight reviews, I think I'll stick to a more reliable Versys 650, even though it doesn't sound as good, nor perform as well off-road as the Tiger. It just seems like a safer option to be honest.

Just watched a video yesterday where someone was saying the new bonnivelles have a known gearbox problem where they get stuck in gear. There is a £300 bodge part they offer to cover up the issue, but not actually recall them to repair the issue. Ive had my street triple for 2 years, and the only thing which failed on it was the horn (replaced that with a after market one). Warranty runs out next year, i dont know if i should trade it in, i cant think of a better bike for commuting in london.

Hi, I have a street triple 11 reg which has done 11,500mls. The bike is getting close to the service date and has this tapping sound also. Worth getting seen to as part of the service? I’ve just gotten back into bikes being away from them for 30 years and got the triumph in May 20, didn’t think too much about the noise until I saw your video and am a bit concerned that the tensioner is on its way out? Any advice is appreciated. Dave

I have a 2017 left over Street Scrambler that I got for a very good price in 2018.. Just under 13K miles on the clock now with mostly back road and dirt riding in New England farm country ... I have dropped it in the dirt once or twice and had to replace the shifter once .. I am amazed at how well the bike is holding up and glad for the high pipes so I can get at the chain .. (Had to get a dirt track chain after 6K ) I am gutted that the trade in value drops so quickly from serious use .. The bike is not bashed about but it has some love kisses here and there from the gravel and all ..Looking at a R Nine T BMW offered me $4500.00 for a bike I bought for $9500.00 two and a half seasons ago ... Looking at the 900 Tiger Triumph offered me the same .. I think I may just get some new shocks for the fun of it and ride this one into the 20'Ks or 30'Ks :) .. I sold a 1979 R80 I put 32 K miles on for a $1000.00 less than I bought her for ... Wish I never sold that one or the R69S ... Simple and bullet proof is what we are after .. . New England is only getting the Yamaha T700 from pre orders .. Having a short leg I cant run that 34 inch seat anyway :)

I love my Varadero. It may be 14 years old but it's built like a tank.

F800GS owner here. I always looked at the Tiger as an equal. Such a shame to hear all the problems they’ve been plagued with lately.

Hi Rus, Had the exact same issues with my 2019 Triumph and have lost faith in the brand. Seems like the issues coincide with moving production abroad. However, that doesn’t explain the reluctance on the part of dealership or Triumph to provide appropriate levels of customer service and rectify the issues. Sticking with my Honda and BMW.

I got myself a 2011 triumph tiger 800xc 6 months ago. Guess that gen was build in brithain. My bike has only 6500km on the odo and no gadgets to fail, not even ABS. Still have my 04 Vstrom650 in the garage, guess lm not going to sell it. To bad if Triumph has let quality drop, because when i worked in a dealership we had almost no warranty issues on triumph back then. Not more than the japanese brands we sold. Im a Suzuki man, but l wanted to try Triumph, so we have to see how this ends. I have seen people on youtube ride the tigers 100000 with no issues. Thanks for sharing sir.

I think this is just what happens with new bike or cars now. Everytime I've bought new I'm in and out the garage. I think because they sell them with a warranty they know they can just sort most the quality issues once it's been sold. Royal Enfield is surprisingly the only vehicle I've got new that had no issues.

I read your comments on the problems with your Tiger with interest and sadness I to experienced problems with a Street Triple R and to a lesser degree with a triumph Thruxton It left me feeling let down I enjoyed both bikes for a while but my confidence was shot so I decided to move on

You made exactly the same comments about the seat that I made about my Bonneville T120. On that bike also the suspension was dreadful as was the snatchy throttle. I moved on to a Speedmaster and have just got rid of that after a year due to potential gearbox problems on water cooled Bonnevilles. I’m now riding a Honda VFR800F, I won’t have another Triumph, too many issues.

Sounds like not much has changed since the 955 sprint then. Genuinely lovely bike to ride, but the joy soon fades when you have to deal with the horrible plastic construction, poor parts support, indifferent dealers. Triumph = high maintenance design with most procedures calling for a triumph special tool that is expensive AND out of production. Don't be fooled by the nice paint and exotic materials on the outside, all the parts that matter are plastic. Love ya videos Russ, keep em coming!

Can't beat a GTS. Always takes twice as long to go anywhere though, cos of all those chats! Miss mine

Wow, that is a boatload of problems. I have a 2014 800 XC and have been avoiding the TFT dash models just for this reason. I was concerned they wouldn't last as long. I think I will stick with this one a few more years until they get their issues sorted.

Funny, just commented on your 2019 video, and now you have sold it. Guess my gut feel is pretty strong with this one "star wars" comment

I had a brand new in 2001 Triumph Sprint St for 16 years and did 46,000 miles with no troubles at all. Changed in 2017 for a lighter bike but would have loved to have kept the Triumph. Sorry to hear the standards have dropped so far.

Premium brand. Premium prices. Low budget parts and workmanship supported by dealerships that aren’t exclusively Triumph. They don’t care about your problem bike. It takes time away from the money-maker services like oil changes and brake jobs done on the reliable regular bikes. I had a 2011 Tiger 800 roadie (before they called it an XR) The muffler and brake rotor mounting bolts were rusted, and many of the metal fasteners had become “fuzzy.” All within three weeks(!) of ownership. I was told it was probably from tooling during assembly.(forhead slap...) I showed them pictures of my 8 year old VFR800 that they had taken as a trade in and sold the next day; NO rust or fuzz. Eventually the dealer relented and convinced Triumph to replace the rusted parts. The cam chain tensioner was problematic within the first year, less than 5000 km, but never sorted as the dealer felt, like you encountered, “it wasn’t that bad”. Curious. A faulty tip over sensor kept bringing a check engine light in and there was also an odd vibration and associated hum that evolved, noticeable when down shifting / engine braking. The replaced rusted parts were okay for about two more years before starting to show again. I got rid of the bike shortly thereafter. Awesome bike, just not worth the money, or aggravation.

Thanks Russ, my 2017 Street Triple RS has two indicators with condensation on the lenses, unfortunately it's out of warranty.

Very sad, I've just sold my 2009 Bonneville T100 and it had never let me down or failed an MOT. Despite being ridden rather than garaged it remains in fantastic condition, the fit and finish is excellent. A pity that Triumph seem to have abandoned quality with the newer models.

Is the triumph tiger made in Thailand like the rest of triumph motorcycles? Cheap labor cheap parts right?

Your dealers service dept sounds exactly like mine here in the US.

Ive a 1996 Speed Triple, think ill hang on to it ;-)

I am glad that I didn't trade up from my 2015 XCx.

....I was looking at Triumph...... not now tho'. Cheers for the heads up

I thought my cam chain tensioner was nosiy on the 850gs I got until I heard that. It's a brave person who buys any modern stuff out of warranty and plan to downsize or cash in before warranty end. My pal has about 5 triumphs driven sparingly which for me is my worry

Thanks for the headsup. I am looking to try out and buy a used 2016 tiger 800 xca with 7k miles on it. This has the older analog + lcd dash, but otherwise fully decked up with features. Now having second thoughts.

Nice classic bike. Never owned a triumph so can't say. I have a VFR 800. As you may no have there own problems lol. Mine stator and RR gone awaiting parts. Grrrr 25 days. But yes love the video keeps folk up to date any way keep safe. 🙂

Great review, report, warning, call it what you will. Cam chain issues on two bikes you own tells a story, the TFT screen, what happens when they die outside warranty, as they will, a grand repair. I read a report recently on a Tracer 900 owner who had issue with TFT screen. Brilliant when working.... but for how long. Nahhhh. Stick to my GSX1250. Bomb proof.

I had a 2012 Explorer, it made me realise quite quickly that it wasn't for me. I know they are "better" now, but the brand is one that I won't go near again.

My tiger has a little of that rattle, but it's a 2013 with a 104k miles. Cam chain was out of spec at the 100k service, 4 exhaust valves were tight, and everything else was fine. Added a uni prefilter, 8 gallon safari tank, and heed crash bars. Ever since the tiger 800 came out they've been made in thailand. I did the 100k service myself as the dealer in washington said it would be $800 + parts.

I have thought for a longtime Triump has lot the plot. They are too expensive as well. Thats why I have bought an RE Interceptor. Great value for money!

Spot on Russ, I wouldn't have a Triumph if I got it for nothing.

Exactly the same problem with the Tracer 900 seat,I've started using an airhawk cushion.

I’m about to by a new adventure bike, these symptoms have me heading to Japan rather than ‘Hinckley’ (Thailand) ... I’ll be keeping my Sprint but I’ve realised it’s a bit ‘soft’ for my everyday commute and will become an occasional bimble on sunny Sundays. The new Tenéré will have much less gadgetry, cost much less dosh and give me ultimate reliability. TFT and heated seats etc. as nice as it all looks and feels nice, I don’t want the hassle. Thanks for this Russ because the Tiger 900 was still in the running but I wasn’t 100% sure. Now I am. I’m gonna be less concerned about where I take the Yam too, it’ll be far more robust when I hit the trails.