i slightly misunderstood Grim Embrace. it doesn't block all gens for 12 seconds the first time EACH survivor is hooked, its the first time ANY survivor is hooked. so its not as good as I thought, but still super strong EDIT: Apparently they edited it so it DOES work like this. Yeesh that is probably too strong!

Imagine a camping Bubba running Grim embrace so they know how far 16 meters is so the can avoid the anti camp

im so happy to see that scott is still holding a grudge over mclean making fun of his fake patch even after he made a follow up actually mostly agreeing with scott 😭

The STBFL nerf is a pretty substantial nerf to Trapper. The obsession steps in a trap across the map because they know you have STBFL? You lose 2 tokens, and you probably can't get to them. Even if you do reach them, regardless of how you do it, you lose 4 tokens. They just can't stop hating on their OG poster boy.

Another possible side effect of STBFL obession change is that an obession with plot twist can possibly remove 2 tokens on demand

Would be cool to see people do like a "high score" for amount of rushes one does in a match. So now we can zoom across the map forever as Billy and bounce forever as Blight. Also kinda funny that we can now do "head banging Blight" for real.

the grim embrace change is huge. I've never been big on corrupt intervention and felt it was way too inconsistent and weak, one because it's got very easy counterplay, and two because it actually forces survivors to spread out, and three because its hilariously easy to get a down which makes those blocked gens have little value... Grim embrace change makes it so you ALWAYS GET VALUE. And it's WHEN YOU ACTUALLY NEED IT. The start doesnt need that much of a helping hand, especially if you use lethal pursuer. I've never had a real issue with the start of a game, it's always been towards the midgame where I want to lean on the pressure as hard as possible. Pop Pain Res helped this. And at the endgame No Way Out helped too. But now I can have Grim Embrace to REALLY lay on the hurt. That's so awesome.

I played Billy a lot before the overheat rework and after it happened pretty much left playing DbD on a regular basis, returning to play the game to check out seasonal events and major updates. Can't describe with words how excited I am to try out the Hillbilly after this update, overheat remove is huge of course but I am actually astonished they increased Billy's base chainsaw sprint speed by 10% (which is basically basekit engravings) and changed the collissions because they were such a pain in the arse after the nerfs they done throughout the years. Lots of respect to the devs for this rework and the fact that they finally decided to admit the mistakes they done with the overheat mechanic

15:10 McLean explained why the controller sens affected billy's turn rate a long time ago when I was watching one of his stream. Behind the scenes while chainsaw sprinting the game converted your mouse input into a virtual joystick input, which is why controller sense affected it because it was treating your mouse as a controller joystick

MASSIVE BILLY BUFF! I'm so glad they not only removed overheat, but gave him more chainsaw speed to his basekit. His chainsaw is painfully slow when you compare it to other killers mobility with their power

Do have to say that Mclean did go back about a year ago and relooked at your video, and explained his staces more and changed his thoughts about things, and also revealed he hated the hillbilly changes and only said what he said because he didn't want to shit on his coworkers

some perks got an L change, quick gambit got it's bonus reduced to 5% and just made the effect bigger, at 36 meters, 5% is pretty meaningless when deja vu exists and it's far better, so massive L for that perk

Edit: I had missed the fact that this new version sounds like it spreads condemn to survivors within 16 meters of ANY tv, not just the one she teleported to (though it does have to be turned on still). IF that's correct and you can spread condemn to survivors who are near multiple different TVs at the same time then that's a noteable buff as well which miiiiight be enough, we'll see. I think all the sadako changes SOUND really good. Until we realize that it's going to go back to being near impossible to build condemn stacks now. It'll be like playing old-sadako but without the addon that spreads condemn when slugging - which was what made her old condemn build actually viable. (Since they've already nerfed that addon to not work when reviving a downed player, only when healing an injured one - which does nothing when self healing ofc). Old Sadako was only problematically strong when she ran the condemn-on-revive addon with a slugging playstyle, it was otherwise comically underpowered basekit. I don't think she'll realistically be able to rely on condemned unless she really tries to hard-tunnel a single survivor with condemn from early on, and even then I think she's sacrificing 4-5 gens to the other survivors to do that. I hope I'm wrong, but I really don't see why it would be any different, unless the addon reworks create any other new powerful options. Even having the "must run tapes to furthest gen" addon as basekit now I don't think will be meaningful enough. Realistically I'm expecting these changes to make her weaker, and to push her back towards playing as a very vanilla killer, like as if condemned doesn't exist except for rare cases - just like old sadako w/o addons. Side note: I wish bubba would get the buff to collision detection for his chainsaw like bubba is. I hate "balance by making your abilities janky/clunky AF", it's a frustrating way to balance abilities, I'd rather they significantly buff the collision detection to be way more forgiving, and instead nerf his power in other ways.

I wonder if the STBFL change will mean the obsession can plot twist, then get someone else to pick them up over and over to trash the killers stacks. Would be pretty funny counterplay

Scott being a little more positive about DBD patchs notes than Otz was not on my 2024 bingo card. What time line is this?

I love the new Sadako. I mained her before her changes and now it’s basically just old onryo but stronger so I’m really happy about it 👍

hey scott at 14:30 you might be misinterpreting a change to hillbilly. the notes say they reduce collision detection but you say it will affect survivor hitbox detection. i think it reads more like what they did with wesker where his collision hitbox is smaller than his survivor one.

I think STBFLs "by any means" should turn into basic and special attacks, that way thinks that are passively happening to the obsession like Skull merchants drone damage or trappers traps or nemis zombies dont get nerfed with it. Other than that im really happy with this Update especially the love that Billy is getting

it'll be kinda fun to actually use rookie spirit with the new gen changes just to kinda see the effect

I find it funny how petty Scott sounds when he talks about maclean and his reaction to his fake patch notes(obviously I know it’s a joke and he doesn’t mean it). Also because of Scott I have also gotten into the habit of saying “fuck you maclean” or “damn you Maclean” with my fist in the air when I get auto aimed and I miss my M1

Something I haven't yet seen mentioned, is that ruin will now be the only way to regress a gen more than 8 times

I wonder how much Polt Twist will increase in usage with the STBFL changes. If the obsession uses it, then 99's they can get picked up and keep doing it repeatedly to wipe any stacks pretty quickly.

As a sadako main, I'm glad they're largely reverting her. Projection inflicting condemn on all survivors near a powered TV is a nice midpoint between the brainless but strong global condemn and the original, very weak condemn only to those nearby the TV you projected to. Interestingly, it looks like tapes no longer increase condemn slowly as you hold them like they did originally. It feels like a fine trade off since condemn shoud be spreading more than orignal Sadako. It takes more time for condemn to build, so it should take longer for survivors to cleanse some of it. Sure, guarding a TV returns, but it at least it requires more time from the Sadako player to guard it from one player as opposed to spam teleports to affect a whole team. My one wish for sadako though was that tapes had some sort kf negative effect for holding them, cause as it stands now, they're just used to counter her power, so they dont feel particularly cursed. An idea i always had for them was that holding one negates any bonuses a survivor has, so for example no overzealous, prove, botany, styptic, or lithe, while holding one. The exception being this bonus neutralization not taking effect after being unhooked until x amount of time of they perform a conspicuous action as to have an anti-tunnel measure. But, this is just a little wish of mine, and maybe they'll have something of the like for an addon or two. As for the condemn lock upon hook, its a great effect to incentivize hooking. Slugging is always boring, and as sadako, it was often better to do because hooking for 1 state was time better spent spreading condemn for the full condmen and an instant 3 hook states. Now, hooking locks in condemn, which means you'll need less stacks on a survivor going forward. As for tunneling potential, you could harass someone and to to a tv whenever they get near one, and then hook them to lock in say, 4, 5, maybe even 6 stacks. But, that is a time investment. And unlike originally when tvs has a 90/70 second cooldown, meaning it would be harder to find an on TV specially of the sadako was purposely turning them off, it should be easier to find an on TV. But even them, tunneling someone out eith condemn is a much greater time investment than sadako 2.0. And again, guading a TV is a time investment and means you dont have map pressure. If a killer wants someone dead, they'll make it happen. As an m1 killer with a relatively weak chase and no exposed effect in her power, you'll probably throw the game for that. Speaking lf chase power, reiko's watch baskit is so nice. Pure, actually, 100% invisibility with no sound cue is heavily underrated. Its unmatched in terms of sneaking up, and while not actually insane like top tiers, its solid for an short killer like sadako as a chase tool. Ive gotten sick hits at shack using the increased invis. Though, it should read 1.33 seconds in the dev update, not 1.2. Although, it did used tk bring demanifested invis up tk 1.5 seconds, and i hope they bring that back. And while they're at it old newspaper, which increases post manifestation invis by 50%, should also be basekit just so sadako has a servicable chase tool. And i know i hype up invis, but what it does is let you mind game any loop. Which is very good, mindgaming something like shack is usually reserved for the likes of ranged or m2 killers with some sort of burst speed. Lastly, chase while demanifested is something im so happy to be back. Hiding who you were chasing was useless against swfs. Plus, you'll get your chase points and accure bloodlust, which is useful against W holders. Chasing while demanifested is also prefered as it means survivors wont gain stacks for things like distortion or stake out while youre chasing. Plus, being invisible beyond 24 meters while im chase is nice, if not always particularly useful.

With Sadako there is one thing, dunno if that is just wording, but originally she would add condemn to survivors near the TV she teleported to, but in these notes it says "When The Onryo teleports, Survivors *within 16m of a powered TV* will receive a stack of Condemned." which could mean it is something between, you still condemn those near you, but also those near other active TV, that makes it more important to turn them off which is a bit more dangerous because if she finds you while carrying a tape and hooks you, your condemn from picking a tape will be locked in. Overall, it seems like these smaller changes will make survivors more interested in removing condemn and turning off TV, which is a form of slowdown but also makes them more vulnerable to you.

The McLean thing is really important though. He essentially said BHVR had a culture of not walking back mistakes to spare hurt feelings. The Onryo change and now the Hillbilly change implies the company has grown up since then! That's amazing. We should rejoice. As for Onryo, I imagine she'll now return to being pretty weak overall, but have a huge edge in tunneling. I hate tunneling so I hate that, but we'll see. No need for pessimism for now.

They specified a regression event as 2.5% regression *instantly*, so you can't farm regression events from Ruin

Those Billy changes actually look amazing. I've never been so excited for a patch. Also, hot take but I think the new Alchemist Ring and Compound 33 are going to be a REALLY strong combo, especially on larger maps. Imagine spawning in with Lethal Pursuer, chaining 3 rushes and then basically have full movement control in Rush Mode by the time you get to a survivor. It will be a guaranteed hit unless they're at a tile or pallet.

I really hope they keep engravings (maybe nerfed down). If they do, the Billy changes are actually amazing. I'm also really curious how the 13m/s will feel as it's even faster than double engravings currently is. Overall amazing changes though. This feels like a great Midchapter.

this is pretty interesting but i feel like we need to try the ptb to see how it plays out for sure yeah (billy pog tho)

still no sex huh

The wording of the chainsaw hit box makes me think they’re only changing collision detection and not the actual hurtbox. Could be wrong but that’s what it seems like

idk if it’d be stupid but i think it would be cool if sadako could phase through pallets when in her no heart beat mode kinda like how chucky scampers under a pallet j to add an extra bit of chase power, since her un phase to phase time is so short i don’t think they should make it so u come out of the pallet with the ability to m1

(sorry for the bad English) 3 gen fix ideia: you go to one already fixed gen, grab a piece of the gen making it turn off, then with this piece, you put in one of the 3 gen

With Hillbilly, I think they are decreasing the collision hitbox but keeping the damage hitbox the same.

I've been hoping they would just change ruin to a regular perk instead of a hex while keeping the deactivation when a survivor dies, but I guess it doesn't make sense anymore with the regression changes to gens as it would probably be too strong.

So ring and compound together turn your last rush into a cross map 360 no scope?

Collision hitboxes and hitboxes for attacking are usually different in games, this is seen in wesker so I'm not sure his actual hitting survivors thing is going to change

6:20 this is actually due to how dbd calculates FoV. Most games calculate it using some combination of horizonal and vertical. But dbd calculates it horizontally only i believe which makes it actually much less than 87.

I love the the changes to the add-ons for blight. My favorite add-ons have always been the fun ones that changes how you play the killer, and I hope more killers get add-on changes like that, mainly pyramid head’s add-ons (for obvious reasons).

But to get eruption you have to kick the generator. So if you just use eruption once, you’re at minimum using 1/4 of your total regression events.

really, really happy to see the billy change, finally players are not actively punished for learning the killer

I love how the first half of this is amazing, and the second part is like they put on a blindfold and decided to randomly shoot a perk (STBFL in this case), and a map, and just flipped a coin on whether to buff it or nerf it.

1:57 yes but if you get a few surges at the start of the match and the survivors get a lucky streak after now you could be left without the ability to damage gens in longer matches

Honestly the biggest thing for me here is now I can actually run four perks on killer for the first time in 7 years. Although it's probably just gonna be the gearhead slot now.

The only disadvantage to having a wider fov is that It affects the angle you can be blinded at, Its actually a pretty noticeable difference.

my one thing I hope with the buff to gen kick is the triple slowdown I keep running into was getting a small nerf or at least something to keep a blight/nurse from abusing it. Idc if a trapper has 4 slowdowns because he needs it but it feels awful when you are against a nurse who has pop pain res and holds you at 5 gens until everyone is on death hook (this has happened multiple times to me already)

Its funny how is much easier to go to one of Scott, Otz or other DBD content creators on their style videos to find the patch notes link than looking for them on the official forums, damn those things are hidden there.

I'd like to see Sadako gain a short movement speed buff when she demanifests. Not the entire time, similar to wraiths uncloak but to differentiate them she'd get it when she cloaks. Nothing to fast, just something to help her. It would help at long loops and in catching up with a survivor after a hit or leaving a loop, while being relatively useless at small loops. Either that or let her walk through palettes with a slowed movement speed while demanifested. Again, wouldn't help much at small loops.

So does eruption cost 2 of 8 “regression” actions per activation per gen? Cause you have to kick to apply it -losing 5 percent. Costing 1 and then it activates exploding losing more than 2.5% costing a second?

So with the 5 seconds is it a 5 second period non-stop or 5 seconds in total? So say someone is chased off gen after 3-4 seconds. Does it go to 1 second or does it reset to 5? I wonder if screams can interrupt this to

I expected you do it the way Otz did - newsflash style🤣

The new blighted tag is almost basically alch ring every 20 seconds

the issue with the new Onryo is that to lock-in condemn via hooking you have to hook them multiple times. If you hook them twice and then you down them they're dead anyway, so what's the point of even worrying about condemn? The best case scenario is the rare chance that a survivor lets themself get at 6 condemn stacks before a single hook, which simply cannot happen now that hitting a survivor no longer removes the tape. A survivor can literally just farm tapes the entire game now with no consequence and an Onryo suddenly becomes tier 2 myers without a power.

idk how I feel about getting minor buffs to charge time since taking off engravings already messes me up, and having it change around like that mid-match was never something I was a real fan of with the stun: chargespeed+ and blind: chargespeed+ add-ons but I'm just happy that Billy is getting the love and attention he deserves

How would ruin interact with the gwn regression cap would it be 1 continuous regression or would it count multiple times or maybe not at all??

Ftf and buckle combo not nerfed yet .......

These changes are pretty great all around- shaking things up by actually changing things as opposed to just flat-out nerfing thems is awesome design philosophy.

With the way they worded "regression events", I wonder if it includes failed skillchecks?

It's crazy the way they decided to change STBFL, the changes they made are punishing the people who actually used it in the healthy way and make people who used it to camp want to use it that way even more. Brilliant.

Thanks for clearing up that three gen thing

i think much of the map rng problems in this case gens spawning so close has to do in part with the map changes they have been doing to quite a few realms often making them smaller, as the default 5 Mcmillan maps have their usual gen spreads that requires strategy to prevent 3 gens yes but once broken the killer can't hold the 3 gen. the problems that RPD had with 3 gens in main is a good example i'm not sure if its because the logic for the rng was mess with or because so many maps were made smaller causing fewer locations for gens to spawn thus pushing them together or what but player spawns and killer item spawns are also wacky on some maps as well

Hex Ruin is actually good now, because it is probably immune from the 8 regression counter on gens. Your point on STBFL stacks is a good one that it might encourage tunneling. Though killers were doing that anyway. One Blight nerf that should have happened was his speed reduced to 110. There is no reason he should be at 115. The regression counter for gens is also a quasi nerf to Nowhere to Hide…as killers might not spam that over and over. Shadowborn might make flashlight saves pointless now, since the killer will have 7 seconds of haste after the stun to redown the saved survivor. Finally, I’m hoping Sadako does not gain Bloodlust while Demanifested in chase. That could be very broken.

I actually want to play DBD and Billy now with those changes. YES

Brutal/shadow born/hubris/enduring will be a build we see I’m sure. Maybe swap brutal for spirit fury. Survivors love to blind after a pallet stun/while killers are kicking pallets

This genuinely looks very good, couple of weird calls and some stuff we'll 100% have to see play out in testing but I'm very optimistic for this patch. I think the one thing that I really hate is the stbfl change, it went from a middling niche pick in general or a solid strong pick on certain killers to completely losing its niche, just a bad call imo

So does the Fov Slider effect Chucky since he is also in 3rd person?

Serious question for Save the Best for Last... it just mentions loses a health state by any means.... did they code it properly to not lose you stacks if the obsession brings for the people or plot twist? I can just imagine it now "Killer has save the best for last time for me to go lie down in a corner somewhere and drain 2 stacks from him." Like is that something that if works you'll always see value from? No, but I definitely see it as an unintended consequence if they didn't code properly.

The 87 fov must be different like vertical vs horizontal fov or something because I am sure the fov is lower than 87, default killer is very zoomed in, it always felt like 70’s at the max. So yeah I bet they have been using the arse backwards fov number which is why they have seemed fit to change it because they’re like “oh yeah fov is high and totally fine”. It baffles me it took so long for BHVR to add vsync and resolution options and fov. They removed Ultrawide support at one point for 21:9.. maybe now they can add it back in since there’s an fov slider but knowing their laziness I doubt it’ll ever happen.

@ScottJund do you think the gen changes will bring back the gen regression/kick meta?

I imagine chess merchants new favorite perk will be ruin, since I’m not sure if ruin will affect the 8 kicks per gen

The nerf to STBFL makes sense but when will they buff surge to work with M2 attacks

I look forward to using plot twist as the obsession to remove save the best for last stacks.

as a sadako main im pissed because they just made her bad again an idea i had was when demanifested she could walk through downed pallets and/or vaults

I feel like stbfl could be fixed by the person you hook becomes the obsession, so it pushes you to hit the unhooker instead so you don’t lose stacks and don’t tunnel

They didn’t even mention if widening FOV will affect flashlight angles. I’m sure absolutely no unintended bugs will come from that oversight 🤔

Shadowborn Hubris sounds horrifying for certain situations

Shadowborn should have been like this instead At the start of the trial, you gain an undetectable status effect; when you kick a wall, pallet, gen, search a locker or injure a Survivor, then shadowborn undetectable will deactivate. Extend the duration of any undetectable by 3/4/5 seconds

The infinite bounce addon actually sounds like so much fun I can't wait to try it

I feel like Iri Tag should have a caveat, maybe it can't break pallets in a rush, maybe if you break a pallet in a rush, it's on cooldown or has a longer "stun/break" time. Its certainly more fun/fair than old tag was, but the new tag makes it really kinda...uninteractive overall. He can use infinite/no cooldowns to break pallets and then rush instantly again to chase survivor, so the play becomes that of other antiloop killers - just leave loop and don't drop pallet, because he'll just eat the pallet and keep rushing you down. Sure he can bounce around and stuff now infinitely and go around the pallet but the only time pallets are even useful anymore against tag blight would be in his short cooldown time after a hit. Even if you do really well to time a stun on him rushing towards you, he either gets stunned (probably has Enduring, see a lot of blights with it), or breaks it as part of rush. Then he just starts rush over again and you might be 16 meters away by that point so the pallet drop was pointless. Glad they're changing blight, I just hope people don't use Tag too often if it stays like this because it just feels kinda like it eliminates counterplay, especially with turn speed addon too.

STBFL losing one stack per health state would be fine. Being that you lose it no matter what while hitting the obsession. Ripbfl

How does this regression change work with ruin? I’m worried how these will interact

Jokes on you, Scott, about a week ago I had almost a 40 mins match against the Twins who were protecting a 3 gen on backwater swamp 😭

Regarding the survivors needing to repair for 5% to stop regression, does that not mean that the survivors can keeo repairing 4.5% at a time and then pause (like on old ruin) and prevent the gen from ever being kicked by the killer if he has pop?

I wonder how Hex: Ruin will work as far as being a regression event.

So many good changes. Might just come back to see if I feel like sticking around.

I wonder how ruin will work with the new gen regression limit

will FTP and Plot Twist effect STBFL if used by the obsession..? it says in the description "By any means".. interesting

grim embrace will now be meta, joining the pain res+pop party

Hey uh What about ruin? Could survivors manually trigger these regressiom events, making the killer unable to kick them? Im sure theyve thought about that, right..?

I was actually playing Wesker the other day with Pop + Eruption and I actually hit 8 regression events on one gen. I didn't even know it either lol It's probably a good thing tho haha, they didn't get to finish that gen.

Reducing billys collision box only applies to props and stuff

i wonder how many people will read or acknowledge these changes. been playing solo que and seems people still don't know the wiggly lines mean someone's in chase, or that you can crouch to wipe hags traps.

some thoughts: does hex ruin count as a regression event? if not i could see that being core along with gen denying with deadlock/grim embrace. and its unlikely this counts (but it'd be nice) if switch between charlotte and victor would give the shadowborn haste.

Do survivors missing skill checks count toward "regression events"?

Surprised they didnt want to do anything with the nail for pinhead because he can camp and not worry about endurance.

As a blight main im honestly good with the addon changes except for 2. Adrenaline vial had everything good about it taken away, its just gotten the gut treatment and nobodys gonna run it when it has 1 good upside and 1 mediocre and then a pretty hefty downside. The other one is blight tag, 20 seconds of not using your ppwer is way too much and i feel like this would help newer players learn because they can rush untill they hit, but then that begs the question of whys it an iridescent. Blights yellow and browns are gid awful so i feel like they couldve tweaked some of thrm too instead of just nerfing, but overall its a change for the better

Wait, so can't a person just keep on tapping a gen when ruin is activated to make it reach its regression cap?

How does the gen regression event work with ruin, like can survivors tap the gen 8 times to block the gen from regressing from the killer?

I like that blights addons did not get gutted they are all still good

I'm guessing lights out is gonna be a dark map, gives survivors flashlights, disables the lights on gens and disables aura perks, effectively making the whole game into a cat and mouse scenario