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EXACTLY.

Bullet magentism and red reticle are the same thing on Infinite (supposedly)

@DeusVult1683 what are you even talking about? A pc player will put maneuver a controller player always. Pc players can flick aim and can do anything and everything a controller player can do.

@DeusVult1683 you also still get AA the minute you plug in a controller my guy

@DeusVult1683 ooooook. Tell that to a controller player whose enemy just jumped over their head. They can read your entire comment by the time it takes them to turn around. For close quarters the PC is like god mode vs controller. Everything else controller has an inmate advantage. To claim that controller offers better movement is insane.

Just tell him to plug in a controller? He's got a pc that's an option.

I just went and got a cheap wired controler lol

@@neilhightower2270 see I would do that but I prefer to play games on MKB

Lowkey this is an argument to keep it the same. If every game on the market has a pc advantage finally theres one thats not

@@nimahanna1709 but their only hurting themselves from this. Since the release of halo infinite; player counts have gone down significantly. I'm all for a game being fair and there are multiple games where using a controller is better but when is comes to such a huge title like halo their only gonna destroy the last bit of loyal players they have

@@iitzMarcus I think most loyal halo fans stem from controllers, the PC FPS market is far more competitive. This "unfairness" between platforms is an extremely small factor in the games decline in playerbase, you know theres sooooooooooo much wrong. I see no indication they wanna keep any players anyway so if theres anything you want changed about the game (besides nerfing melees), don't keep your hopes up.

Totally true on devs doing nothing or wayyy too much. Respawn does this with Apex. "Hmm the cool down on that ability seems a bit low.. let's increase it 133%"

Red reticle has nothing to do with input method, PC controller players don't get it either.

@@ethanholshouser5648 oh, I didn't know that. Thanks!

and honestly switching between the two, i dont notice a big difference with aim assist, but i do notice it with bullet magnatism. i will completely miss shots with things like the shock rifle and they all land on the head. with mkb if im strafing at all and even if the reticle is on the head, half the shots will miss, so the only way to use it for a perfect would to be perfectly lined up with the head and moving in straight line towards the target. guns like sniper and skewer are a lot easier to use on mkb though

I hate the aim assist on console. It makes me miss a lot of my pistol and shock rifle shots.

So they’re just trash

@@CrimsonCorona10I turned aim assist off on pc cuz it kept fucking up what I was trying to do.. now it seems it was removed ? I dunno

There is a ton of bullet gravity on controller, but it is non-existent on MKB.

It’s still the exact same, mnk is garbage and not viable, and Controller is getting all the love in the world from 343.

Halo is not a traditional shooter. It's a garbage shooter.

Great post. I also recently built a PC. I've put countless hours into aim trainers to learn m&k. Switched to using my mouse left handed and got an azeron and learned that. It was difficult and expensive. Now I'm punished for me efforts.

Halo is not just about aim, it’s also about combos. Grenade jump melee weapon switch. Equipment. Used in conjunction.

I get first place in team slayer every game on mouse and keyboard I think thus video is very wrong I've played halo since the beginning and I slaughter my own skill in halo mouse and keyboard and I was like top 300ish players jn halo 3

@@johndavidson5792 a exception is not the rule get over yourself.... and I will just call lies out right b/c plz the match making it self would make sure that never happens so I can smell the bull from here on facts alone your story don't add up then you have zero links to even back such a statement...

@@johndavidson5792 >no videos on channel. sure.

I do agree that good aim assist is absolutely vital for an FPS that's played on controller, but I don't feel that it's balanced right now. At least not for the Battle Rifle. I'm a pretty average player, but as someone with two decades of experience with both control methods, I can definitely feel a big advantage on controller in this game, vs mouse and keyboard. If I boot up training mode with the BR and try to get as many Perfect medals in a row, it's so much easier on controller it's not even funny. With weapons like the sniper rifle, there's definitely an advantage to mouse and keyboard for being able to make quick snapshots, but for BR it's a hell of a lot more difficult on mouse and keyboard right now. Obvious disclaimer, this is just my own personal experience, not claiming to be completely objective. Though for what it's worth I was extremely skeptical of the claims that mouse and keyboard is less effective than controller, until I tested it myself. I could live with the fact that controllers get quite aggressive aim attraction (reticle being pulled towards target), if we got just a touch more bullet magnetism for mouse and keyboard. I'm not sure if the current value for MKB is zero or just very weak, but right now it feels like even if you do your best to aim for the head on MKB, it's very inconsistent compared to controller

@@PandemonicHypercube from my experience the sniper rifle is straight up easier/more consistent on controller, this 'quick snapshot' advantage is basically null as there is basically no point gambling for a quick snapshot on MKB.

why is it a gamble? movement kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sKx6ma523sqZaY0.html

@@PandemonicHypercube interesting. How does the Commando fair would you say for M&K vs Controller? It feels pretty bad on controller imo vs the Battle Rifle, but I kind of wonder if it is the opposite for M&K. If so, it could be interesting if you could start with either BR or commando in ranked as they seem to be filling similar roles.

@@e_ighth I've not put extensive time into playing the sniper rifle on controller in Infinite, as I moved back to PC for this generation, so I can't really say one way or the other. For what it's worth though, I can hit quick sniper shots on mouse and keyboard that there's absolutely no way I'd be able to hit in Halo 5 on controller.

Removing bullet spread would be a match made in heaven for the controller magnetism debate.

Rip performance

@@ajackass5950 not really. I'm generally in the 35-45% accuracy range. And if you have to take advantage of aim assist to play the game, sorry, but your not performing either.

Fr im a mnk player and I feel like I never win fights against controller players that know how to strafe properly

I thik a lot of console players wouldn't mind haveing the autoaim lower a little bit as a controller player myself.

I like this comment 🔥 pretty much the best way to go about it I agree.

well put! this is all that needs to be done.

ANTI aim assist?

the sniper is such a minute part of infinite it has 8 rounds total as well as random bloom when no scoping. it's also only in live fire a single map in the ranked scene.

@@darkshadow6556 it actually is and isn't even really a debate

Yeah longer sight lines do help. But have to be scoped. Sort of long, when reticle is around enemy, sometimes nothing registers, no magentism it seems. Like when the reticle is too big, if that makes sense.

@@Ronald-vz6pl yeah that makes sense. So would you say, if the target is far away and you are not scoped in but the target is centered in the reticle, more shots will hit if playing on controller?

@@JimmyJoeMcGurl 100%, ive tested myself, just plugged in my old xbox controller. Thats why close combat is so hard. Controller has two bursts, with reticle somewhat on target and both bursts hit full, melee and done. If I miss ever so slightly, 1 out of the 6 bullets from the 2 bursts miss, melee and he still lives. Not complaining, just seems a bit too skewed

@@Ronald-vz6pl yeah that doesn't seem fair. I've always been a controller player, and I want to be able to be competitive in other FPS, and I think that m&k should be able to compete in Halo.

I am currently Platin 5 (before the patch platin 6) and I am doing pretty well on mnk. BUT I am dying so often because of this issues that it is really frustrating. It feels like (especially BR but also on the MA40) my bullets doesnt even hit the target at all sometimes... But I've got two friends (one PC mnk, one xbox) who playing with me and it's nice to play together. I hope they'll do something against the issues. Another thing are the bad servers. On ine game ping at 20ms on the next 130ms... But thats a different story

When playing games like Splitgate, I compete against controller players in ranked just fine. I'm not sure what, but 343 messed something up on the balancing here.

@@scoobynicker The difference with Splitgate is that everyone dies so quickly, all you need to do is snap to heads and click. You don't really need to worry about tracking 90% of the time and even when you do, strafing isn't nearly as crazy as it is in Infinite.

@@colbyboucher6391 I don't know, splitgate doesn't feel that different to me but maybe I'm wrong

You gotta be joking bro I can shred controller players, they can't turn around quick enough. I just point and shoot while they're trying to line up their cross hair, controller has a crazy disadvantage. Even if you feel differently I hope we can all agree that there needs to be an option to turn off cross play outside of ranked.

@@ajackass5950 serious question; at what rank are you shredding controller players?

@@ajackass5950 sounds like you're playing against Recruit that stands still/don't move much we're talking about Spartan strafe machines here dude, that's where the problem is, try tracking manually a twitch jiggle strafer and you'll see why

@@ajackass5950 On controller, in mid to close range strafe fights, software is making adjustments for you faster than human reaction times. SnipeDown has even come out and said it's not fair several times. He was even quoted saying "controller players are fucking delusional.",

im one of these but tbh iv got used to no red reticule and prefer it now lol we still have it on tracking weapons like plasma pistol or needler and theyre the only ones you really need it on in my opinion, i find it distracting to have it on my br now especially that if you change the colour of the enemies the reticule turns whatever colour you changed the enemies to.

Didn’t realize it changed the reticule color with the color of the enemy. That is weird but I do think the color is nice to have when quick scoping with the sniper otherwise I don’t find it much of a change.

There has always been some glitches with AA if you touch your mouse of keyboard during a game. This is still the case. But if you don’t touch either during a game you should have AA. To be cautious about it I try to only use my controller in the menus outside of the game as well

@@chazzz98 yh it would be good to have red reticule on the sniper actually and maybe the stalker but other then that I don't mind to much, yh up is odd how u it changes the reticule with enemy

Any kbm player that denies the mechanical advantage of kbm is delusional. FPS games were kbm games from the very beginning. Of COURSE kbm is going to be better to aim with and have a much higher skill ceiling since we're not limited to 2 plastic sticks and our thumbs. The best controller player in the world using only raw skill (meaning no aim assist) would have a TERRIBLE time against a dime-a-dozen average kbm player. Take that controller "pro" and put them against a kbm pro and they probably wouldn't get 2 kills lol. The problem is that the genre of FPS has become a massive money grab. Consoles became powerful enough to sort of run fps games decently and businesses like money so they released them and even MADE some fps games (like Halo) FOR console to appeal to a wider audience and get more sales by not ignoring a massive market. Cross play was basically the same idea. Now people who may have never bought the game because they wouldn't have anyone to play with can hop on with friends on other platforms and play together, but the devs had to do SOMETHING to make up for the inadequacies of controller and they just went too far in this game. Controller players are used to "hand holding" since aim assist is an industry standard at this point even at the "pro" level, so they can't take it away. KBM is literally all about raw skill and being the best player in the world, (not the best *aim assist* user in the world) so they can't add aim assist or bullet mag to kbm without massive backlash. The devs are literally stuck right now. Halo isn't the first game where KBM isn't dominant (though it should ALWAYS be dominant because it's better than controller). This aim assist debate has been raging for over a decade. This is just the first time where devs actively and intentionally gimped kbm while also doing everything besides straight up giving controller players aim bot so the controller players feel like they're good at the game (even though we all know no controller player is ACTUALLY good of course because their input is so bad it REQUIRES a soft aim bot). For anyone who is still reading this, this comment is bait. I'm a kbm player but my duo is controller and I love you guys. Can't wait for the hate replies I get 😂 kbm players in general need to stop crying and just get better. My overall accuracy is 54% btw, so if you're on kbm and you shoot worse than that, just know it's possible to be better. Yes, you'll have to work harder to shoot that percentage than a controller player, but either put in the work or stop playing the game until they nerf aa. Stay up brothers.

Try getting off of Reddit and Twitter. The PC "elitists" only seem to exist there.

I can't fucking comprehend how this is the conclusion you came to. If there were ever elitism in the PC community, it'd be "M/KB is just better" which is just true. I've literally never seen someone claim that people using controllers should "just get better" in the ten years I've been stomping around on PC (or the five-ish years crossplay has been common for).

@@colbyboucher6391 I have. Imagine that, different people have different experiences. Insane idea

@@NotSamSage Have fun with your mostly dead game

And that isn't done because it makes aimbot cheats mind-numbingly easy to impliment.

Aimbo.....t

I have played both and can’t get even get the shock rifle to work on controller but is one of my best on mouse and keyboard. Go figure.

@@aethylwulfeiii6502 Imo- General purpose, use controller High power precision weapons (snipers, shock rifles, Skewers, and that Banished sniper), KBM

Personally, I think Reticle friction or Reticle attraction on mouse and keyboard would feel too jarring, as there's a more direct connection on MKB between your input and the movement of the camera. Adding a touch more bullet magnetism would be nice though, my main complaint with aiming on mouse and keyboard is that even if you're doing your best to track your enemy's head from a distance, it feels like you miss a lot more than you would on mouse and keyboard

@@PandemonicHypercube I guess time will tell as to how they plan to approach the disparity. Both are viable solutions. But you're right, it might make the fluid nature of the mouse feel off.

That's AA for halo infinite. controller have AA reticle friction AND bullet mag, while MkB only have bullet mag Buff the bullet mag a tiny bit(5% maybe) but add AA on mouse as option only should be good, but AA on mouse will cause riot for roller players Best way tbh is Gyro in Splatoon, I bet if Splatoon ever come to PC, no splatoon players will even complain, cuz gyro is almost identical to MkB and both doesn't need AA so no difference

MkB PC IS the main fps player base, controller PC are the minority here Just give MkB a 5% or so buff to bullet magnetism then we'll be in a better place

not like they can't enable kb/m on the xbox they have done it with other games. Microsoft just wants to shill overpriced controllers so you can be on an even level playing field with other players.

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anything past mid diamond and you're gonna struggle no matter how good you are at keyboard and mouse lol. in halo 3 mcc I could work around aim assist and could at least keep up in the ranked scene. in infinite not one bit lol.