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I never get matches with people of the same skill as me. Im either carrying my team or getting carried I honestly dont understand how this system works

The majority of my friends are social halo players and almost all of them have stopped playing not due to lack of content but because social doesn’t feel like social anymore. It’s pretty heart breaking.

This makes almost every game “sweaty”. Really takes the fun out of it all.

Problem is it doesn't turn into even matched players. It ends up being one good player and three bad players or the other way around. Balanced games does not equal balanced gameplay if that makes sense.

Do you want the short explanation or the long explanation. Short explanation yes. Long explanation is that there’s a win loss ratio which wants to be at 50% to “balance games” so everyone is equally wining and losing at the same rate, but if it detects that you are over performing the game will force you to lose by giving you underperforming players while you’re versing above average players which is bullshit, and this messes up a lot of games people who are too good hate it because they have to carry bad players, bad players hate it because they keep getting destroyed nonstop, and the average players hate it because they keep getting destroyed by the best player everyone is unhappy that’s why a lot of people quit the game. Modern Warfare 2 made it random which is how it should be because you are making the winning outcome random (SBMM was there but it was not heavily induced), but matchmaking the game based on the players skill is bullshit because it can be rigged in your favour or not in your favour because of your overall performance, yea that is what ranked is for but even in Ranked you don’t stand a chance because the same 50% win loss ratio will prevent you from progressing forward up the ranks because of the many games you won, I can count the number of times SBMM has screwed me over because of my performance to the point where I was getting matched up against onyx ranked players and yet I’m stuck on a team full of low level platinums which is disgusting, and since the population has continued to decline it continues to get worse to the point where I stopped playing entirely, another reason and this comes back to the players who are in onyx or diamond, imagine they win like 10 games in a row but gain only one inch of experience all together, the win lose ratio tide in with SBMM doesn’t like the fact that their performance is over achieving based on those wins so it will purposely match them in a game that they’re guaranteed to lose, when they lose they lose either all the experience they have gained or possibly drop down a rank or 2 and that’s flat out unfair, and on top of that by some retarded mindset this is classified as a balanced game, using me for example I’m a diamond 3 and I’m in a team of platinums but the opposite team which is full of platinums has one onyx player ranked 1500 and that’s somehow balanced, I question HOW!? Because in order for that to be balanced either A. That play is not a true onyx to the point where me and that player are on the same skill level, which if that is the case why are they even onyx to began with? and what the hell is even the point of the ranked system if that onyx player is on the same level as me? meaning theres no value in ranked at all meaning they just copied and pasted socials again but added a broken ranking system. Or B. Some magic calculator averages out everyone’s performance and said yeah that’s balanced, because dividing the top frager’s K/D amongst the whole team magically makes it balanced based on the average number that came out of it, and some how the whole team’s physical performance just went above average from their original performance which makes no sense, they are still the same shitty player and by slapping an above average number pulled out of the ass by this random algorithm doesn’t change their performance in game. Imagine you’re in a maths exam and the top kid got 100% but the overall got 50-60 right, well not to worry 22 students in total take the average out of the 21 students (5x50=250 + 3x60=180 + 2x70=140 + 3x63=189 + 2x69=138 + 4x45=180 + 2x55=110 and then let’s add the number one students performance to the mix 1187+100=1287/22 and apparently everyone got a score of 58.5% despite the fact that a lot of people didn’t even come close to 60% literally 11 out of 21 yes including the 4 students that failed with a score 45-100, and yet somehow they all magically share the same intelligence level as the rest of the class because the average ratio dictates that they are all equal, the same can be said about this stupid 50% win loss ratio which is also combined with the retarded averaging out of the performance of players skill, and by pure brain dead logic it says that everyone is magically at the same skill level therefore balanced, fuck off and thats barely scraping the barrel but that basically sums up how unfair and broken this system really is, and you would be lying if you say that this is blowing things way out of preposition, it’s not because there’s strong evidence and data online says that SBMM is flawed 343 even said that it’s broken and that’s not just their secret MMR numbering system. Do I think it should be removed? Absolutely because it has nothing to do with being good and all to do with making everyone equal which doesn’t work, if they are going to have a system to balance games do it based on their rank, only the truly skilled players will be at the rank that they are at and from there you are fighting to be the best and that’s how Ranked should be, for socials it should be random, so far everything is rigged in such way because the developers are trying to make everyone happy by having everyone successfully win at an equal rate, but what they fail to understand is you’re taking away what winning and playing the game is all about, it’s now about rolling loaded dice based on my past games and overall performance which dictates do I deserve to win or lose and that’s what’s killing the games and that why SBMM should be removed and how it should be fixed.

This game actually inspired me to go and code up my own ranking system that simulates players and matches just to prove how easy it is. I'll probably upload it as a fun little tool/game web app sometime.

You know, the number one consistently provided feedback after Halo 5 was we need a full content launch without such an emphasis on esports. They didn't deliver on it at all.

I don't play ranked, but in casual game modes I can't even tell this matchmaking exists. It's rare to find a match where both teams are fairly even, most of the time it's either my team getting destroyed or the other team getting destroyed. Then again, that could just be from people ignoring the objectives and focusing on whatever stupid challenges they have.

I haven’t played halo in 3 weeks and don’t miss it. Haven’t played any other games, such a shame 343 blew it. 🤦🏻‍♂️

one of the biggest problems imo is that sbmm is shared between ranked and casual modes

If season 2 flop, they’re not going to make it

The 50/50 sounds good on paper but the way they create it in practice just doesn’t work. For example, I’ve noticed in a lot of my recent games the system will typically give me an all Plat team and the enemy team will be a mix up of like 1 Onyx, 2 plats and a gold, or an Onyx, mid to high Diamond and 2 golds. Stuff like that. There is a huge difference between an Onyx player and a plat player. While the difference between a gold player and plat player is slim to none. So the enemy team usually has this monster that takes over the game and slayer is just not winnable. So you get wins through objectives like Ctf and oddball, however the rank gains are usually small because plat players against Onyx players don’t have the best kdr. Games before the reset felt a lot more balanced. I could queue up at plat and play with plats and I could queue as Diamond and play with diamonds. Then around diamond 3-4 I would usually see a couple of Onyx players. But 4 mid diamonds against an Onyx and 3 lower diamonds didn’t feel that bad. After the reset, I’m now seeing Onyx players while queuing as Plat. It’s just a hot pile of garbage and needs a total overhaul or a revert.

So as for me this is tough to answer without getting too long winded but here’s a try. I played most of my matchmaking hours on halo 2 and 3. I loved the way their system worked where you had multiple ranked lobbies that were competitive outside of what was mlg at the time. Team snipers, team slayer, lone wolves, team doubles, and team hardcore or mlg. Then you had the social matchmaking lists that were not ranked. I loved having the choice to grind and try outside of pro playlist settings but still being able to play something with friends that weren’t that good, your kids, girlfriend etc. This is what ultimately led to me putting down the game during reach although some friends of mine that stuck it out kept playing and said it eventually got much better but idk. The pregame and postgame lobbies made it easier to find and connect with new friends around your skill lvl that communicated and had similar goals. I also speculate that’s why finding players with mics where more common then at least in mlg. Maybe not so much in other ranked playlist, but in Mlg ranked especially past a certain lvl everyone was trying there hardest and it was expected to know call outs and use them. I wonder if know with just the one ranked playlist if your not getting matched with people who may want to be assigned a certain rank or lvl that would have done so in one of the other ranked playlist at the time instead of being in games with people who are at least familiar with the pro scene and want to not only win but improve themselves on a much higher standard or take it more seriously in many cases.

The skill based matchmaking in social doesn’t allow for the players to remain in the same lobby. You can make friends having conversations with people when playing multiple games together, trash talking (in a respective manner) players on the other team makes games more interesting etc. It’s called social for a reason but at the moment it’s far from it.

I placed plat 6 and finished mid diamond 5 before the reset. I definitely could of made it to onyx. After the refresh I was top frag and score every placement match; didn't lose a single one. Got placed plat 3. Mind you my stats were like 28 K- 6 D- 10 A. most of the placement matches I got running riots, overkills etc... Now I'm stuck at diamond 2. I win 3 in a row with similar stats to placement matches go up an undiscernible sliver. I lose one match after a huge win run and almost fall out of diamond 2. I'm facing diamond 4-mid onyx every round. my team is me Diamond 2, a low gold 3-5, a plat 6, and a diamond 6. (which most of the time the diamond 6 still goes -15 and has 11 kills.) Where is the balance? I know I should be at least high diamond. the MMR in social is a pile I go in and stomp teams and still lose games because I'm playing against sweats with what feels like a group of 8 year old's that just got their first shooter. Ranked isn't even fun cause I can't go up without putting countless hours into it. I have a family and a fulltime job; I'm lucky to play a hour uninterrupted. I just want the ranked from Halo 3 where it was clear and made sense. I could play lone wolves, team doubles, team slayer, etc. Now it's just "ranked" where almost no one plays obj. Not to mention if I have to focus on obj. and my stats are lower than normal; I don't go up AT ALL. Why have obj. game modes if they have no effect on the rank; even when you win? If people want to just slay that's fine; but there should be separate ranked playlists that allow people to just slay. If there's not some sort of evolution in season 2 they're going to lose everyone who has stayed just for the love of Halo.

i’m a mid level diamond player. in almost every game I play, the opposing team has one onyx player in the 1600s, sometimes more. then it tries to balance it out by placing a gold or a low plat on that team as well but it never works, the onyx dominates and even if the low ranked player does poorly my team still loses. it’s just not fair. I played the game consistently since launch but as of a couple days ago i’m officially done until they give multiplayer a complete makeover

My frustration starts with the blatant imbalances in games at times and it continues to get worse as the population dwindles. Snip3down posted a video a while and went on TRN and looked at his games and in his previous 7 games I think it was it was 70%/30% against him and In One game it was 93%/7% against him. And I have been watching my games as well since then and I have a similar problem. I'd say about 2/3 of the games I've played in ranked in the past week I've been at a losing disadvantage. And it really makes me want to quit playing halo altogether

My neighbors think I'm a crazy person. I'm doing my best not to break something. The rank system, random DC. Losing rank bc of DC losing rank bc someone got DC... I found my first gray hair...

Max Hoberman has it spot on. What the hell is the point in having a casual mode, if the matchmaking treats it just like a ranked match - it's completely insane.

It's broken at the moment I am plat 3 and am getting put in against onyx players, yet my team mates are gold and silver and maybe one diamond and get stomped this has happed a good few times and it seems to put me in against the same onyx players I've played the same two onyx players the past couple of days

I don't see there being a positive to SBMM in social. A lot of the people I met in Halo and became lifelong friends with were not at my skill level and met in social playlists. Back in H3 I matched with someone who was top of the HaloCharts (if you remember that) leaderboards. At that time I was not close to that level, he was a 50 in every playlist and I was at maybe 35-37 at my highest. We talked during the game and it was fun and exciting for me to play against one of the best and test myself. I sent him a GG after the game and 13 years later we are still talking. On the other end, I met a friend after I got my 50s while they were well below my level (I think 32), and again, 11 years later her and I still talk every couple of weeks. These are connections I would have never made if the game arbitrarily forced me to play only players around my skill EVERY match. Also, one of the biggest reasons I was able to get a LW 50 was thanks to meeting that first friend and him being kind enough to go through some of my gameplay in theater (missing feature in infinite) and coach me up. So neither my skill or these lifelong friends would be there if I only matched that little circle of people in my skill bracket. I matched MLG players and I was hyped to get stomped on. It was so much fun for teenage me to be able to go against the pros I watched play at the highest level. Again, with SBMM that never would have happened. Outside of that, at this point in my life, I do not want to sweat out every game. I want to play with my friends of varying skill levels and just have fun. Infinite right now, like H5, is no fun for me. Every game, social or ranked, I need to sweat to have a chance to win and it ends up feeling more like work that fun. For my less skilled friends, they don't want to play with me as much because I pull in better players every single game and they get stomped, so that "issue" isn't really resolved, it is intensified unless all of your friends are at the same skill level. Occasionally I am in the mood to go tryhard mode and play ranked, but not EVERY GAME. When I jump in to social I want to play for the social aspect of the game, go figure. What this leads me to do is, instead of playing social in Halo when I don't feel like grinding against 1600 Onyxs, I go play a different game, and at this point that is like 70% of the time for me. So time that Halo could have possibly had me in their population to match games with, they now loose me to Battlefront or Forza or Aliens Fireteam, etc... The funny part about it, is since I am not playing Halo for over 70% of my gaming time, I don't want to play ranked when I feel like sweating because I feel out of practice, so I just don't play at all.

They have taken the bare minimum approach to everything. I cant get to play with my friends because they just get stomped by the people I bring in the lobby with my mmr. It's not fun trying to support them at their level of play while doing objectives for sure. They get frustrated and so do I. Social playlist mmr the way it is sucks. I leave and instead of going negative with me they go 15 and 5. Even tried the Smurf.. was good for about 2/3 games. Then square 1

I have put 14 days into this game, & let me say, You are not lying. I subscribed simply from this video alone. Excellent job!

I don't really like the agressive sbmm in this halo. Just because I don't want to try hard every game. Sometimes I'm just trying to have some fun with a few friends and goof around after work. I'm not really looking to work my butt off for every win I prefer the sort of back and forth difficulty you get with little to no sbmm.

The craziest thing to me, was that they defaulted the entire player-base to a muted microphone setting in the beginning????? It made zero sense to me in a game that is so communication focused. Add on to the fact that 343 buried the mic activation button in the settings, coupled with good ole new age resistance to properly research anything..and you get a surprising amount of ppl who still have no clue why their mics aren’t working. Pub matches really do feel dead, even in ranked at times but im Plat5 so im sure comms are more active diamond and up

All they need to do is restrict Ranked to match within +/-100 CSR (not hidden MMR). If playing with a team with a range outside of +/-100 CSR if each other, treat the lower ranked players as the highest ranked player’s rank -100 CSR. This will squash boosting. Imagine, a ranked game of mostly evenly skilled players… ugh, a dream! That’s literally all I want. I just want to play games of ALL 8 PLAYERS of similar rank. Carrying 1-3 players on each team is NOT FUN. Also, get rid of the forced 50/50 win rate while you’re at it (I assume this is probably the core of most issues with matchmaking). Socials can have soft SBMM, it just needs to be toned down like 3 notches from what we have now.

I quit playing since all my social matches felt like my diamond ranked matches. I remember old halos felt different. the only thing that felt social before I quit was BTB

I'm a mid level onyx player I usually sit around the high 1600's, I dont have time to grind these days like I used too 💔 My current situation is as follows. Played placement matches, got D5, play till I got to onyx, yo yo'd in and out of onyx untill getting to 1600 again. Lost 16 out of 20 games due to horrendous teammates and deranked to low D5 in one session 😳 after 5 losses in a row I was playing trash too. I'm currently experiencing now that it's completely impossible to get up the ranks as my MMR (which is usually mid level onyx, perhaps above) is placing me against people around 1700 and above every game. This is because that's where I usually am. My KD is 1.15 and I have a win rate of 55.1% so I'm not trash and can preform at this level. What I'm noticing though is that there are no easy games for me to bounce back and gain back CSR against players around the diamond level. Which is of course where I currently am. I'm not loosing a lot when I loose but I just can't win games anymore because I'm getting grabage teammates and playing good players in to4's. As my teammates are not at that level most games they completely ignore the objective even if you're slaying so inevitably you have to do objective and do not get amply rewarded for the carry. So I'm a diamond 5 who is actually a 1600-1700 onyx player stuck in limbo. Looks great....not ... 👎to skill based matchmaking. I get that ranked cannot be decided on visible rank alone because you encounter the problem or smurfs and boosters etc. But it shouldn't be so heavily reliant on MMR. They need to find a balance. At the moment people are so down on this shit.

Casual matches are way too sweaty for me on average. Stopped playing.

I just won a single halo match and got curb stomped for 5 in a row by people who are the sweatiest I’ve ever seen The one match I won was where 2 of my team mates left at the start and the new ones that joined had 2 kills between them at the end I had 38 kills and we barely won at 50-49 I just want to play halo for fun not sweat so hard I loose half my body weight

I hate this issue alot.I have friends in Onyx but I am Plat and sure, I know I'm gonna sweat in their lobbies in ranked play, but it also affects social.

The issue is the system thinks the best way to make a 50/50 game is to put a load of people who have like a 1/10 kd on the same team as decent players. It's not fun at all

YES IT IS. I played 10 games, got placed at diamond 1. 1280 games later? Platinum. What the FUCK 343.

Ranked has me perma stuck in mid 1500 onyx due to the hidden mmr reset. Most of my games are against 1800-2000 onyx pros were I win about 50% of the time. Just going barely up and down after hrs of play each day is driving me crazy. Hard to have big k/d + games in those lobbies

Short version of what I see in matches. I'm going 15 and 2 and everyone else is 2 and 15 and the entire other team going 30+. But just add firefight like an pve mode so people don't have to keep playing the same sweaty match just with different names and maps. Just to grind seasons and chill out with friends

I play with a friend who is low gold and I'm Onyx. We never have too much trouble finding a game but it is often not balanced and I can drop lots of high kill games.

I'm not the greatest Halo player on Earth, but I will say I know how to play well enough (2.0 KD, Diamond 5). I literally cannot enjoy socials in this game anymore. I'm commenting after having lost nearly 25 games in a row because every single game is me and one other similarly skilled player teamed with 2 people who likely have never played FPS games before. I'm talking 3-13, 2-18, 5-19 type stat lines every single time from half my team. I'm slowly going insane and at this point I'd rather solo Russian roulette than queue up solo in team slayer. Ranked is meant to be ranked and socials is meant to be socials. I remember when I played Halo 3 (when I started playing Halo) and was awful for years even, but I got good. That's the whole point of playing video games, being satisfied when you improve. This system I just don't get. Game is trash, content is trash, I'm getting more lag/desync than I ever have and I just don't understand how they're going to fix all of these things by season 3. I'm guessing it'll be season 10 before this garbage is playable.

Would it be possible for them to go back to a 1-50 rank system just for competitive playlist ?

SBMM is an absolute joke. You can immediately tell when you've been grouped with the most incompetent teammates and forced to play against the worst odds just because you've had a decent run of games. Stockpile shouldn't even be a thing in BTB with SBMM being a factor. One team will have the objective in their sight and your team will be making a machinima.

I think it’s a problem now because everyone stopped playing. Small population = terrible sbmm or even just regular matchmaking in general. It’s disheartening because I like infinite but I refuse to grind their same 2 maps for hours.

I quit after reaching onyx. The game itself feels incredibly good but its technical problems and the sbmm shit gave it the rest. Every ranked game was a gamble if the mates where good or complete potato ass. I dont want to carry 8/10 games. I got toxic and it was just stressful. I dont want to be stressed out when I'm playing video games. Halo Infinite definitely hasnt this "come on lets play some rounds halo 3 big team battle" vibes. It is sweaty, toxic and broken. Maybe I come back in S2.

Playing Big Team Battle is useless now, I will get like 18 kills and my teammates (literally 11 other people) will get 5 or under. This is a fucking joke. Pair me up with teammates that aren't toddlers.

I don't know, casual BTB seems to be one sided lately. I jump in randomly but you feel the opposition has a 1 or 2 coordinated squads. The amount of times I've played and the opposition would have all the major vehicles, one match the opposition had both wasps, a scorpion and a wraith.

I've really tried to get better at halo infi but I just can't. guess im just bad at halo now but im always against stacked teams. no one ever talks on my team. and I feel im either carrying or getting absolute destroyed no matter my tactics. the opposition hits every shot and when I head shot no shield players they just live! its very sad for me but I think ill have to put the controller down after playing since C.E. Goodbye fellow spartans.

It’s destroying every fps because there is no balance/middle that they are trying to achieve

I haven’t even played ranked, don’t care too. The SBMM is so annoying, it makes every single match a sweatfest where one or two players on each team dominate.

Well, the system isn't even capable of finding even matches that often. At least in solo Duo. Me and my mate being both Diamond 2 recently got two Onyx 1700 teammates. The oponent team was full of Diamond 6 and one Onyx 1900. You can only imagine how fun the game was for us... The system averages out teams based on arbitrary hidden mmr and you're often put in advantageous/disadvantegous teams anyway...

I have to team up with randoms so that I can find games faster. In QUICKPLAY.

Maybe you can help me because I’m very confused over the ranking increases or decreases…I’ve played 6 outstanding matches consistently, staying high in KDA no matter the objective and my rank continues to drop after every match. I don’t know what I need to do to rank up. Please help!!!!

Hmm, should I try to rank now? I have never ranked. I just finished my third go at campaign on heroic. I usually just BTB, I haven't carried a team since December when the population was still high. Probably max out somewhere in gold with the current player base.

I feel like a god when I play halo infinite. I don’t play often so I’m thinking they put me into a low skill lobby to get me hooked. It’s so annoying. It’s just like CoD I slay/hold my own in the lobby my first game or two then get pub stomped. I’d rather just play MCC.

Another strange thing to say it's after I got 50 played matched the SBMM system went to get me Onyx players with +400 games played with battlePass ended

My massive issue, day by day more and more people play for k.d in casual game modes (big team battle) I fully understand k.d is very important but people need to start understanding btb is heavily reliant on teams working together. Please, please play the objective. I love the challenge but when I'm trying to move 4 or 5 power seeds whilst killing 4 or 5 enemies, no back up due to everyone being the opposite side of the map is really grinding on me. Another issue, ban people who leave. Every match I'm finding people drop out now and sometimes your not replaced with anyone new mid match which makes modes like capture the flag and the power seed mode on btb near impossible. I used to average 10 kills a match, now its more 25 to 30 so I agree with the "trial by fire" side of things, you have to plummet before you rise but people need to start playing the game modes for what they are. Team death match is the only mode you should worry about k.d 💯

The problem is, I play mostly casual and in most games either I basically play alone doing 20/30 kills and the rest of the team just dies over and over, or there are 2 good player and 2 atrocious ones. However in 90% of the games I do, there is always at least one that has maybe 2/3 kills and 15/20 deaths, and that is so frustrating because we lose because of him

Just joined 5 games today where I went 2-7 or worse, when I'm regularly getting over 20 kills in a game when I play with my friend who's a bit worse than me in squad. I really hate the MMR, when I even go into casual modes it makes me now lose every game if I'm playing alone.

Ranked is the only mode that should be as sweaty as the entire game is rn

I Just started playing halo,but since i've been playin fps for over a decade the First games i went on a 30 GUNSTREAK and then sweats on sweats,i still win almost every game which Is funny but its not fun lmao

I’ve been playing more R6 Siege since Halo has been lacking content. There’s a lot that 343 could learn from this game. Just over the past couple hours I started a quick match and was able to do pretty well because not everyone was at my skill level, then I loaded up ranked and did get people at my skill level which was perfect. There was someone who team killed so we were able to highlight his name and report him in-game. There was also a party up function after the match so I was able to make a couple friends. Oh and there is no affect on your MMR when playing casual or unranked; your MMR only changes when you play ranked. I wish Halo would make these changes because it’s my favourite game ever and it’s dying.

It used to be I can turn off my brain and play a casual match. But know I have to sweat my ass off every match so I don't get stomped.

I normally never reply, but after playing Infinite since the beginning and lately being crushed and punished almost every match, I can't take it anymore. Super super frustrating. I really hoped Ranked would be better after the update, but it isn't, it's terrible. Running into Onyx/Diamond players when having Gold/Plat ranking, cheaters with crazy K/D ratios, having teammates stop in the game and getting punished with a crazy CSR drop, finally winning a good match with having sweat on my forehead and getting a minimum CSR, desync, server issues and so on. I'm not the best player, but I'm so done with Ranked, it's just not fun to play at this moment. So probably won't play it anymore for a while. Waiting for the new updates and hoping for a better game..

Yes sir. Casual play is a great idea. I was hoping it was going to like that when not playing Ranked. Just having fun. Ranked should only be for competitive players that want to get there skill level up to Onyx. Everything else,,,, fun & challenging. Great vids Coach

I got put in a ranked solo duo against bubu dubu, penguin, Ogre 2, and snipedown in the same day.

I stopped playing game modes with shields because tryhard players and I'm just going for tactical slayer that's now my personal game mode to have fun

Quite regularly I am put into games where the enemy team has 1-2 Onyx carries teamed up with a Gold. I'm just trying to live my best Platinum life, but these games are really disheartening.

in skill based matchmaking either play against complete tryhards or you play players that are complete joke

There's a fine line between trying hard and just playing the game in the most efficient way possible as often as possible. By nature, a 4v4 arena shooter with lethal, properly balanced weapons, can never truly be a casual experience, game modes are what determine the difference between what's casual, social or, competitive. Casuals need forged fun shenanigans. The socials need stable BTB, firefight, and a BR. The sweats need a regulated HCS playlist for a proper competitive environment and added game modes to standard rank for a hardcore-casual option.

This game has been out 4 months. They haven't even at least nerfed the manglers spawn time. Like can it really be that hard...

Turn the top fragger into the juggernaut midway through the game, giving him a constant ping on his location for the whole enemy team. Lol

1 year update.... im D6 trying to hit onyx again, getting matched with tms who are D3 while the other team has a 1660 and 1570 with a plat6 ( whos a smurf) and a d4. obviously we know what team is going to win. its terrible, solo queue is completely impossible, ill drop 20+ with 1:40 ball time or hill time and yet we still lose cus my tms cant kill a 1660 onyx when they're a d3. d4. like hello halo??? also ill gain freaking 6 to 7 elo dropping 20+ kills but if I lose I lose 10 elo every game which just destroys all progress, there's no sense to take more elo away when you lose, who ever designed this rank system is clearly low IQ and does not play the game at all. Bro rocket league has a better ranking system, after a while you gain around 5 elo min on a Win but if you lose you Lose only 5, like halo do that u clowns, also take out a division, the player base is too separated for 6 divs in a rank OMG LOLOL HALO IS A JOKE

If they intend to use the current ranked matchmaking where you are placed into a tier after placement matches, then the MMR should only be used for placement and should not play a factor after you've been placed. MMR should NEVER play a factor in social games. WTF?!?!?! They've made the game too stressful and frustrating. I don't want to sweat my dick off every single game. It's almost as if 343 refuses to incorporate what has worked in the past, and have tried to completely overhaul Halo as their game.... not Bungie's game. Some sort of weird pride thing. Their also needs to be more ranked playlist outside of 1 FUCKING PLAYLIST. It's fun to try and rank up on multiple different types of playlists (doubles, slayer with radar, snipes, swat.. etc). I prefer the work your way up from the bottom approach in regards to ranked. You are immediately dropped into sweaty games from the word go, even during your placement matches. It's fun to climb and beat up on kids on the way up. As for social gaming, there is no such thing as a social community in this game. 343 has completely removed every aspect of fun social. No chatting in pre or post game lobbies. No partying up. No shit talking your opponents. No one can have a split screen guest, if you have a friend over that also wants to play. No curb stomping. No fun playlists to play in social. Not even a BR slayer. Just boring generic shit. This is coming from someone that could spend hours and hours playing H3. I'm bored with this game after about 3 games.

The sweats in this game is really what's going to push me to leave this game despite the lack of content. It's just too discouraging.

Lmaooo back when i used to play before they did the ranked reset I was in diamond 4? I think?? And everytime i lost i never lost any of my ranked bar, meanwhile i was in lobbies with people in onyx and people in gold

The thing is tho the community shouldn't have to be telling 343 how to do their own Job. As much as I Love the campaign the multiplayer is nowhere near as fun as it could be because of how Bad the Matchmaking is.

To make matters worse it seems they create matchups that try to keep you at a 50% win rate. Look at the video snipedown made recently, he had like 5+ games in a row where the game gave him a 30-20% chance of winning. That should never be the case. Talk about balancing... They are doing it wrong

I shot myself in the foot. Like I didn't even see the language silver I just went instantly the gold and now I'm kind of screwed

For anyone wanting to understand how SBMM works, look no further than Call of Duty: Black Ops: Cold War

Its ridiculous as a person who only plays videogames now after work for max 1hr a day i get 2 good games then get matched up with players with over 20 days total time played over 2000 matches played it's ridiculous

It doesn’t work for arena or ranked either. I’m a mid-level plat and I get hard stomped, and there’s always a player or 2 WAYYYYY above everyone else.

Dude I can't play Rank because i do very well on social matches and in the first Rank match the i try a CTF get 0-67 it was so competitive i couldn't keep up we got kill 154 times by the other team and in social i get this very sweaty matches and then 1 of my teammates get disconnected get a bot and lose this is honestly the main thing i quite the game I'm can live with 3 maps and same weapons all for a couple months but it's not fun anymore i really considering making a new account just to play when Forge come out

I had a onix player boosting a sliver 2 in the other team and im plat 4 wtf is this trash

I think that nonsense about polishing a report button finally burned through the last kernel of patience for 343. I understand that is a gulf of differences between my work and that of a game devs, but I don't even primarily put code to screen, the ability to add a report tool on our company internal networks would take 4 hours if you were being slow. This is obviously a little more complicated in a gaming environment. But given that they already have a report feature, they have an internal system for processing those reports, which is the bulk of the work. So even giving grace periods for shitty and cumbersome company structure, a bunch of meetings, slow work, etc, this taking more than a week (40 man hours specifically) is otherworldly embarrassing. It's plugging in existing infrastructure, shitty or not, and programming in a fucking button. A button. "Polishing before release." I already know better than to ask, even rhetorically, if they're kidding.

I think they used want MMR in social to keep sweats away from casuals. But they could just do unranked BR start and problem solved. Skilled players will do br start 99% of the time. New players will choose AR start. Really simple fix. And they should add the playlist rank that goes off exp like halo 3. Not the 1-50 (which would be nice) but the military style ones that go by exp in the playlist. So if someone plays nothing but quick play they match with people that have a lot of games in quick play.

Max halo infinite needs you desperately

I hate getting stomped but love stomping.

4.30 is exactly what happened to me💔🙂

To me halo 3 had the perfect balance of fun and skill based on social and ranked. That’s why people still play it 15 years after release. Unfortunately this game will probably be played for 1 maybe 2 years max. They should revert back to halo 3, if something isn’t broken don’t fix it

I'd like it I'd they used a match making system that prioritized ping over MMR. Get us the lobby with the best ping then balance teams from within the lobby once it's formed, similar to how cod black ops 1 and 2 did it

Stream today?

I find myself after MCC I was even 20 in the lead or 20 under

Rank is for rank casual need be casual. But it have no sense because i play slayer and i got 3 ultra new guys, and 4 onix. Interesting sbbm. Sometimes versus 4 new people with all pure skilled teammates. No sense this sbbm i am prefer the old halo 3 skill base matchmaking

I feel like the soft nature of people has ruined gaming. I miss the old days. Trash talking the opponent or even just banter. Now adays you can't even talk in lobbies. Gaming will never return to its peak because everyone is worried about being offended. I miss having someone call me out in the pre game lobby.

I hate when I play ranked as a D4 and 1700+ onyx match with a gold and 2 D1s my team just gets destroyed cause in a game off odd ball all that 1785 player does is frag out. I want a cap of rank differences so a onyx can’t MM with a gold or plat.

I've been a casual Halo player since the times of playing multiplayer with three friends sitting on the same couch on one 22" TV. My favorite Halo moments come from playing with people who don't care about the outcome(regardless of the heavy sh!t talking). However, as you said, I think a minor tweak/balance to the sbmm would make it more enjoyable to the majority of the "casual" player base. Otherwise I can only complain about my own potato aim...and melee detection here and there. Appreciate the content!

Ranked in social setting is stupid to an extent. They should take an average of your ranked levels and divide all players in social in 3 tiers.. 1- new to game 2- majority of players 3- those top tier player who are onyx every season. What have we learned from halo? Run 4’s in crossplay or don’t waste your time!

the social aspect has the biggest impact i think. When you are good at the game the queue time isnt what keeps your friends from wanting to game with you. Its the fact that every time they are in a lobby with you they get stomped on because of SBMM. when you are good at the game but dont have time to play competitively this means that you'll only ever really get to game by yourself. and this happens in a multiplayer game. with a ridiculous amount of people online. a mechanic that basically forces you to play alone. so terribly boring.

I was an arena onyx and all my friends were just casual players that play an hour or so after work ect they all stopped playing because of the sweaty hard core games they would get forced into. These guys spent 100s of hours on reach and are pretty chill yet when they played infinite quickplay or slayer along with de sync and unstable latency they uninstalled

If your legit a good player you shouldn’t wanna get matched up with bums, it’s a little weird we’re complaining about getting matched with other players on your level.

On Wed Steamcharts Halo player count hit a new all-time low of 2,400 concurrent players. There aren’t even enough people left to balance any type of matchmaking. However, we are your friends Coach, we’re just not good enough to help you. Haha. 😀

I hate the SBMM, and always have I mean a long time ago the SBMM was pretty light on restrictions while this is too much.