My man even showed the certificate LOL!!! This is good info!

I’m also amazed at the fact that the JLPT doesn’t test language output. They should change that ASAP in order to make the grading more accurate.

I love how the Japanese learning community unanimously agrees that the JLPT is crap. I have yet to see a single person defend it in any way, shape or form.

Another thing with the grammar in the JLPT is that you have to learn how to use a lot of grammar structures that you don’t really need to be able to use to be fluent. There are a lot of grammar structures that I’ve seen in N2 and N1 that I’ve rarely come, if ever, come across when talking to Japanese people or reading novels. Of course it’s useful to be able to recognize and comprehend them, but there is no reason you should need to know the specific sentence construction and word order of every single grammar structure.

👏🏾👏🏾well said homie

Yeah, getting into Japanese after Chinese, I was really surprised that even at the highest level of JLPT there isn't any "writing" section, while in Chinese HSK it starts already from the fourth level (the sixth being the highest). And there isn't anything similar to HSKK (a separate test dedicated to speaking). Also, I was really frustrated that JPLT is held only two times a year (while HSK will be held 11 (!!!) times next year) and the registration period starts too early and finishes too soon, so just because I didn't apply in time for the JPLT held in December I'll have to wait until next July to participate :(

I'm loving the gangsta thug music in the background lol

finally, another Australian that learns Japanese

I've done a shit ton of exercuses and drills designed for the Cambridge exams for English over the course of my school years and I can say that this applies to any language test really. Even tho these English ones have the additional writing and speaking parts, they're still not great Imo. And I think the overall grading is pointless. I could easily pass as having a C2 proficiency level since 8th grade and at that point you were only expected to be around A2 or B1. Now I reached such a high level because of good old immersion, our Jack of all trades answer to any question regarding language learning, so I would like to give my opinion on how language tests should present someones level. First, just separate the tests in 2, an inputting side, and an outputting side. And now we can grade an individual on 2 things basically: how well they comprehend the language, and how well can they express themselves in that language. For the first it would be a test on how well one can understand listening and reading, the second tests how well the person can output and shouldn't matter if it's written or spoken. I don't know how good this is but whatever. The one thing they should definitely change is instead of arbitrary letters and numbers, we should have like 2 or 3 levels. First level = able to have basic conversations and have an ok grasp on the language, can talk on simple day to day topics. Level 2 would be full fluency and complete grasp on the language. There could be a level 0 where you can get by with knowing and understanding a limited amount, enough for a tourist for example who would only want to be able to ask where certain places or destinations are, how to get around in a city, asking for stuff at a convenience store or restaurant, extremely basic stuff like this. But even this I would say is useless. I think that a test should just show that you're either on your way to fluency, that being level 1 in my example, or fluent, level 2. We don't need useless n5, n4, a1 or a2 that are basically time and money wasters that don't attribute to anything and won't even help you in at a professional level.

I took the IELTS a few years ago (a similar test but for English) and while it was still a crappy standardized test at least it was split into Reading, Listening, Writing, and Speaking sections.

Just a guess but maybe they don't test output because it requires more effort to grade. The JLPT questions are all multiple choice, right? That means it can all be graded automatically by computer.

The fact that the hardest level can be passed by people who don’t speak Japanese is a dead giveaway that it’s dumb lol.

It's a scam

Usman or Covington? Chandler or Gaethje?

日本語に限らず世界の主要な言語ではJLPTのような検定試験があると思われますが、大体どれも今回オージマンさんが話したような問題点は共通して孕んでいるものと思われます。じゃあJLPTが全く無意味かというとそういうわけでもないでしょう。詳しいことはわかりませんがJLPTは日本の会社が外国人の採用を検討する上での1つの指標としていたり○級以上というノルマを設けていたりしているようです。また学生の場合は留学の可否の条件として使われているかもしれません。オージマンさんや他の多くの人が指摘する通りJLPTの2級や1級を持っていても酷い日本語の人というのは珍しくないですが、大量に人を捌いていく上で全く指標がないよりはあったほうがいいという妥協的な手段という捉え方でいいと思います。 よくJLPT(JLPTに限りませんが)の1級でも全然日本語がダメな人も中には普通にいると言われますが、同時に1級だと日本語が(ネイティブに近いレベルの)超上手い人もほぼ確実にいるというのも大事な事実です。そして日本語が超上手い人で(試験を受けていない人を除いて)2級とか3級というパターンはあり得ないです。確かにJLPTはネイティブの日本人でも問題によっては間違うこともあるくらい難しい問いもあったり侮れないものですが、JLPTという試験の傾向とか性質に慣れているかどうかの要素が大きくて、ネイティブかネイティブに近いレベルの日本語能力の持ち主ならば、試験の傾向、性質に関して簡単に勉強して挑めばまあ難なく合格するでしょう。 マットさんなども言ってましたしオージマンさんも今回仰ってますが、日本語のちゃんとした実力があったらJLPT1級など簡単に受かるような試験です。 speakingの能力に関しては日本語の場合はこれといった試験はないと思いますが、判定を仰ぎたいということでしたら今はKZfaqなどがあるので、日本語で自由に会話している様子をアップロードしてネイティブの日本人に｢厳しめに判定してください｣と頼んだり、分析を頼んだりすれば回答が得られると思いますね。

It's bullshit, but you need it lol

I'd say someone with at least 70% is about 2x higher than just passing, 80% is about 3x harder than just passing, 90% 5x harder, and a perfect score is 10x harder than just passing in my opinion. Only beginners are just focused on just passing, I think since you already passed it, it would be fun to challenge yourself, I'm also curious to see your improvement and would make an interesting video.

Read what jlpt checks and dont complain. Its not a test output.. i guess if they would test kanji all other would cry too.. no one needs some paper

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I think you are too focused on just passing the exam, how about for an extra challenge, try to get a higher score. It's like saying you just passed high school with 50%, a huge difference from some honor student going to a top University. It seems only western people are just happy to pass the exam. For Asian people from Korea for example, want a good score, not just to pass, and if trying to get a job in Japan, they gonna actually ask your score.

There is something I've been curious about maybe you can somewhat answer. In terms of jobs, are there specific kinds that are opened up? Or is it much more broad and ambiguous? I've heard N2 can work for helping to find jobs but N1 is the sort of "Overachiever" level that can better secure jobs comparatively. When I hear other KZfaqrs talk about this subject they don't seem to say much beyond what you have. It'd just be nice to be able to better weigh the pros&cons on whether the time/money sink is worth it.