800hp '31 Model A -- Post-Wreck Teardown (I Chopped It Up!)

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I thought this was going to be an easy fix, but clearly, that's not the case.
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Intro
00:31 - Happy New Year!
01:34 - Let's Take a Deeper Look at the A
01:58 - Ignorance is Bliss - I wanted to Fix the Grille
03:00 - Removing the Wheels & Exhaust
04:04 - Suspension Teardown
04:47 - Chassis Damage Overview
06:04 - The Front's Tweaked
07:15 - The Problem: Bump Steer. I designed it wrong.
10:20 - Redesigning the Front of the Chassis
11:43 - The Next Day... Let's Chop This Thing...
13:21 - The Front Fell Off
13:50 - I Think I am Making the Right Choice
14:43 - Outro

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@jimmerriman6920 Жыл бұрын

"Let's design a new front end", like let's go to the corner for a beer. Man, I love Mike's enthusiasm for just jumping right in and not worring about the elbow work or the hours. I give him a lot credit and admire the passion for doing it right no matter what the effort involved.

@denniscliff2071 2 жыл бұрын

As a builder of Hot Rods, I can relate to the sickening experience that you have had with that steering shaft parting and the resulting damage to the front end. I had a front brake caliper mount bolt disappear allowing the other bolt to snap off, causing the wheel to lock up, which destroyed the wheel and suspension components. I too placed my steering rack in front after reversing the spindles. This worked fine except for messing up the Ackerman geometry and allowing tire scrub in turns. I had to move the steering arm eyelets outward as close to the wheels as possible to make a correction. Thanks for sharing your build.

@mr.slappy6944 2 жыл бұрын

That must have been scary and satisfying at the same time to chop it. Started to follow your channel with this build, looks like we've made a full circle. Anyway, looks great and I'm looking forward to 2022. Finally got a garage of my own, am moving in this week and starting my build slowly. Asked a while a go if I should get that car in one of your instagram Q&As and I did after all. Will be my first project and this is going to be tons of experience. Thanks for being an inspiration.

@emeursing 2 жыл бұрын

You can adjust the bumpsteer by placing the steeringrack higher or lower. You can adjust the amount of Ackermann by moving the steeringrack forward or backwards. Depending on the amount of drift you want in the car you can align the Ackermannpoint just in front or behind the rear axleline.

@motoweenies4431 2 жыл бұрын

This was the comment I was looking for, hope he sees this. Although his inner tie rod joint is approximately in the zone in relation to the a arms, it likely isn't the right height in relation to the outer tie rod joint. So it either needs to be raised or lowered. To get it perfect, the length of the tie rod will also need to be changed

@motoweenies4431 2 жыл бұрын

If you have an xyz coordinate of your front suspension points and send them to me, I can tell you your camber curves, bump steer, roll axis migration, etc.

@komodoensis-rex 2 жыл бұрын

The real blessing in disguise is more control arm builds!

@ReignitedAuto 2 жыл бұрын

To my eyes this was absolutely the right decision. You can spend so much time trying to patch things back together, but this way it's improved and you know it's done correctly. Nice work 👍

@koltface 2 жыл бұрын

The rearward offset rack (on front steer cars) can have it's positive benefits when it comes to how the ackerman acts, and what it does on the tighter corners. It should not be affecting the bumpsteer though. I would double check pivot widths and heights, both inner and outer.

@Dominik335iT 2 жыл бұрын

That was my first idea, too. Rethink Bump Steer and Ackermann Angle.

@grandpafabio 2 жыл бұрын

I believe Kolton is correct - moving r&p forward won't solve the bumpsteer. Mike - I heard you mention that the inner tie-rod end was on the same plane as upper and lower wishbone pivots. At ride height the tie-rod angle needs to intersect the IC for the control arms, but the inner tie-rod end also needs to be offset outboard about the same amount as your Ackerman offset at the upright (ie. lateral distance from kingpin axis to outer tie-rod end). To get bumpsteer fully dialed in often requires either the ability for fine adjustment of rack length (threaded ends), or a vertical spacer at the outer tie rod end (... or both). You may want to play with either CAD model or paper model before committing to metal... or else I suspect you'll still be fighting your bumpsteer problem on that new front end.

@chriscoker9513 2 жыл бұрын

@@grandpafabio I posted before seeing these replies. I agree 100%. Been working in the automotive industry for 29+ years using simulation tools to design suspension hard points.

@woznaldo 2 жыл бұрын

Just been searching the comments to see if anyone else had made the comment. Agree with the above. I’ve actually done the opposite to maintain favourable steering arm/tie rod angles at the extremes on the outside wheel, if that makes sense?

@tekadan 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with this and I think that the split frame would probably flex at high speed turns. It's not as rigid as the other way. The tubular cross section is not going to work for you in this situation.

@RealRickCox 2 жыл бұрын

I can't imagine how hard it was to cut off the entire front end of the car. You can shrug it off, but I know that represents hundreds of hours of hard work. Can't wait to see the finished result. I'm sure it'll be amazing. And yeah... I'm REALLY excited to see you get back to the 308.

@peterloveday4313 2 жыл бұрын

I’m loving all your builds! One thing that stands out to me is moving the rack forward, it will change the Ackerman but not the bump steer. To do that you would need to shorten or lengthen the rack inner pivots.

@christianseidler2252 2 жыл бұрын

Coming from germany it is so unreal and amazing that you can bring things like that onto the roads. Very exciting Build 👌🏼

@wrestlevania 2 жыл бұрын

Good luck, Mike! Gutted for you that what sounded like a relatively low-speed impact still caused a lot of radial damage. Best wishes for a successful 2022 for StanceWorks!

@ZeGermanHam 2 жыл бұрын

The Model A is one of my favorite builds. It has such a unique identity, much more so than the other cars. Keep up the hard work!

@MrAppletree318is 2 жыл бұрын

Good luck with the repair, every project has a MK2 or MK3 as you learn more and become more skilled, they are never finished!

@RogueViirus12 2 жыл бұрын

It's definitely disappointing to have to cut apart your old work, but at least now you have to opportunity to build it back better with all of the skills and knowledge you've gained since the first time. You'll have it put back together and running again in no time. And hey, it just means you get to work on your favorite thing again, control arms!

@fastbunnymetalwerks 2 жыл бұрын

Mike, in your cad design, you should add small locating tabs to all the parts, it will make assembling and tacking up parts a lot easier..

@CharlieM1219 2 жыл бұрын

Happy New Year! I'm a former neighbor of Jim and his boys. Good guys for sure! Met your Mom a couple times too. Keep up the great work!

@JonLupen 2 жыл бұрын

Man, within the scope of KZfaq content creators, there are extremely few others that would shrugs off a wreck like this with a, "Yeh, I'm just going to custom build a new front chassis and custom suspension components. No bigs." Massive props!

@vogs72 2 жыл бұрын

Control arms. Yay 😳. I’ve always feared suspension design, and I keep being reminded why.

@nottherealjk 2 жыл бұрын

New Year, new work! Hope you had a great holiday, and it's great to see the work getting done. Glad to see you taking care of the chassis correctly as is the case with all of the work we've seen you do, and I'm sure you're absolutely thrilled to be making more A - arms haha.

@FlameBlue9016 2 жыл бұрын

Happy new year Mike!

@xrsi89 2 жыл бұрын

Happy New Year Mike!

@Bozza_1 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike, I feel I have to comment about the rack position. Moving the rack forward or back will affect Ackerman, not bump steer. Moving either the rack or the tie rod end at the knuckle up or down will affect bump steer. To fix your bump steer issue, if the rack is in the right position vertically already then I would look at the vertical position of the tie rod end at the knuckle. Your rack position looks about right for Ackerman but it’s just a visual. If you move your rack forward as you are planning, then you will not have enough Ackerman. Hope this helps.

@BUILTOFFICIAL 2 жыл бұрын

Now that you have your vid of welding the new crossmember together I think it would be really beneficial to seperate the cad process so you have a part 1/2 and eventually 3 on building your own crossmember. I'm gearing up to do one for my mgb and this info was super helpful! Thanks for the killer vids! Stoked on all the builds

@stanceworks 2 жыл бұрын

Let me know what you want to know, I’d be happy to help!

@tollefreyerson6710 2 жыл бұрын

Hang in there. Redesigning the frame/front end is the logical decision. Do it right and you will love it all the more. Love your channel.

@mrmoss149 2 жыл бұрын

" I've been wrong......MOST of the time". Well said, my friend. It takes a real man to own up to that. Welcome to the club. Looking forward to everything. Thanks

@1186javierzuniga 2 жыл бұрын

Man bro, I was just working on the steering links on my 67 F100 yesterday and ur last video hit home with me. I'll be welding it all together now. Stay safe and wishing u the best!!!

@nekomatajs 2 жыл бұрын

Great solution to the bump steer problem ,the new chassis design looks good aswell.

@derekking7186 2 жыл бұрын

Love the content and Happy New Year from Canada! You got this…

@jonathanohagan1349 2 жыл бұрын

YEEEEAAAA the hand is back teaching us

@joshfazenbaker5691 2 жыл бұрын

It only gets better from here

@medienschrauber3260 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike! Thanks for the good KZfaq content. I am glad that nobody was injured. Regarding your bump steer issue: You need to change the height (Z-direction) either of the steering rack or the outer ball joint. Moving the steering rack in X-direction will not affect the bump steer issue. Cheers from Germany! Martin

@igordolinsky4930 2 жыл бұрын

Great job !

@doolsen 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome content! I love this channel!

@tonigon5767 2 жыл бұрын

Good decision, I think you chose the best way to fix it. Workshop wisdom: If you can't find the time to fix it properly, you'll have to find the time to fix it again and again... Good to see you back Mike.

@mikedavis8165 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy watching good luck with it 😎👍

@kreparAZ 2 жыл бұрын

great video mike. big decision but i think from what you have shown us its the right decision! looking forward to seeing this thing roll again!

@heartbreakandmotorjive1867 2 жыл бұрын

Your character is fascinating. I love the OCD and how you embrace it. I feel like a lot of guys would have been defeated by this, but you weren't a 100% in love with it, and therefore it was easy for you to pick yourself up and dust off. Besides you know you can remake it better. Bravo! Watching you from north east Tennessee. Just remember there's at least one person that believes in you. 👍🏻

@lynellejohns7503 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait for next vlog.

@gabipo6985 2 жыл бұрын

love the pointy hand

@sbraga02 2 жыл бұрын

We are with you 👍👍👍

@michaelcoffin4364 2 жыл бұрын

Yesssss cut it!!!!!!!!!. This is literally a perfect example of modern day hot rodding.

@jonathanlong32 2 жыл бұрын

Sad circumstances, but great opportunity. Can't wait to see this build. And the episode where you tighten every single nut and bolt, twice! 😄

@MarkSawatsky 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful work. I think you will find that the angle of the steering rod to the arm (when viewed from above) affects Ackerman, not bump steer. You are right that the steering rod inner pivot needs to be in line with the imaginary line between top and bottom control arms, and the steering rod needs to be level at normal ride height.

@olofeicker4614 2 жыл бұрын

That was also my reaction. Moving the rack wont solve the bump steer. I think the outer joints should also be in line just like described for the inner ones. Anyhow I really hope for you this crash results in a better car so the work is more than just damage repair and worth it in the end.

@Jin-Hu 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely the right decision made, plus fixing the steering geometry will be great!

@ivanszky 2 жыл бұрын

good move! it will be awesome!

@Jackeha97 2 жыл бұрын

Finally a new video!!

@capnthepeafarmer 2 жыл бұрын

Happy new year, Mike! That really stinks how tweaked all that is. It's not all bad news though, it does give you an opportunity to build in a mechanical "fuse" for the frame in the case of future accidents. Because if the frame is overbuilt then everything will bend equally, if that makes sense. Having specific weak areas will minimize damage to only localized areas instead of the entire frame being tweaked, if that whole concept makes sense.

@JaredR1996 2 жыл бұрын

Hate to see beast of a car chopped up. Hopefully the repair is relatively quick. Keep up the work Mike 👍

@uselss 2 жыл бұрын

Keen for the new project ✌️

@chriscoker9513 2 жыл бұрын

fore/aft positioning of the rack will have a minor influence on bump steer. The inner and outer tie rod points relative to the chassis pivots and upper and lower ball joints, in front view, are the hardpoints that are really sensitive when considering minimizing bump steer. From looking at the video, I'd guess that the outer tie rod ball needs to come inboard.

@badledgend1172 2 жыл бұрын

Glad there's a good bit of...good(!) coming out of this! As far as safety goes, are you planning on building a collapsible steering column for the future?

@TestTest-eb8jr 2 жыл бұрын

Have a prosperous New Year Mike! .... and about that Al Gorithm, who's that guy anyway....?

@williamaguiar14 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely the right now way to fix somthing

@dat_niqqa_eli5121 2 жыл бұрын

Only 1 year in…?? Your channel quality is superb… 🌹🌹

@gregtregoning9961 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoying the videos man but I wish you made a spreader bar for the engine hoist chains.

@AJIMPORTS 2 жыл бұрын

You make fusion looks so easy. That program is driving me nuts trying to learn it. But I do see the benefits

@Mike.098 2 жыл бұрын

And back to the model A we go. Glad you don't giff up on a project bro. Keep your head up and going.

@AlteredCarbons 2 жыл бұрын

Aye... You got dis

@brianshorey 2 жыл бұрын

On a positive note - it doesn't appear that any of your welds popped, so great job with those! I think in the long run that bolting on 'new' parts can be a lot quicker than trying to fix and straighten a bunch of old ones, so I think your approach will probably not only be better it might end up being faster. Happy New Year! Looking forward to another year of excellent and educational content!

@madstudiotoo5288 2 жыл бұрын

One step backwards, two steps forward. : )

@georgegavrylenko1031 2 жыл бұрын

I was just about to start whining about 308 but... But I woudn`t :) Man you are crazy and I admire it! :)

@Kowalski401 2 жыл бұрын

If anyone can pull this off, it’s you!

@mrmoss149 2 жыл бұрын

" Doesn't drink coffee". LMFAO

@sladeb6036 2 жыл бұрын

Keep it up brother. If you can't fix the wheel maybe one of us can hang it in the garage lol

@petewitt2867 2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean “Doesn’t drink coffee”?! Animal! . ps - love every vid you post. I watch them upside down cos I’m in Australia.

@MrOlddude1957 2 жыл бұрын

Very cool, id look into snout bars for front end rigidity. and maybe a chassis table?

@sss-op6km 2 жыл бұрын

im in the honda modifying world but this is so cool

@ItsDaJax 2 жыл бұрын

That Model A looked like some cyberpunk aesthetic build.

@GrindhousePerformance 2 жыл бұрын

100% the right call there; I probably wouldn't have had the stomach to cut it up but it's absolutely the right choice. I'd consider adding some kind've gusset between the front diagonals wherever there's room, unless the rack mount serves that purpose (I guess I missed wherever that wound up in the design). Curious.. is there a reason the rear upper arm mounts terminate vertically rather than on the top of the rect tubing?

@edgar-perez713 2 жыл бұрын

Woah! How TF do you not drink coffee though!? Keep up the great videos!!

@donaldwrissler9059 2 жыл бұрын

Your damage locations show some problems with the 2 rail chassis design. The damage was stopped where the roll cage linked everything into a box section. Perhaps you might consider bringing tubes forward from your cage(dash bar level) and attaching them forward to around the shock mount area to help add a secondary load path from the rails moving vertically and twisting.The bars could be removable or welded. You could ultimately connect those forward stringers with a bar over or behind the engine ( a serious problem solving exercise around that huge alumalump). Just some thoughts of things I might address if I was working on this project. All the best safe wishes this year....really looking foreward to the rest of the 308 build.....I love anything that invokes my past of working on Scca and IMSA racecars.👍

@jamest5149 2 жыл бұрын

Please take another look at the front wishbone mounts and bracing side to side, there is a lot of load imputed to the chassis here, before you had a lot of stiffness with the box section between the two mounts, these are now in effect floating- even with those added diagonal tubes… can you add a cross plate or U channel between the ends of the chassis rails as part of the radiator pack support?

@protodad1 2 жыл бұрын

Silver lining. Damaged Model A = more content.

@JonasPowell 2 жыл бұрын

Mike, this accident was 100% the result of bad karma from removing what are undoubtedly the coolest wheels on any car on the internet and replacing them with something generic. The fact that the wheel was bent in the accident only further confirms this. I think the only way to truly make sure this doesn't happen again is to have a real sit down with the truck, apologize to it, tell it you won't make that mistake again, and go back to the old wheel setup.

@VanquishGlory 2 жыл бұрын

Instead of welding the front end on, design a crumple zone in the front rails, and make the front end bolt on using machined holes and pins so everything lines up exactly.

@themrajjohnson 2 жыл бұрын

How would you feel about adding a prius style electric power steering column in conjunction with shortening the steering arm at the wheel hub. Quicker steering and electric power steering for low speed maneuverability with those big tires might be the way to go. You will probably still need the additional space of the redesigned control arm but a 1/2 inch goes a long way.

@fredb.6884 2 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking besides the impact, the torque of that powerful motor is helping the frame tweak. Major reinforcement and some more metal support in front end areas too...🤔

@rmalacari 2 жыл бұрын

Stanceworks collision repair

@bpbimmers 2 жыл бұрын

I would check frame flex… imho the frame may have flexed from the torque of motor because there is no support from the roll bar forward. With body drop there is a large flex point to front suspension.which may have effected the length of steering shaft to steering assembly…. May want to check frame droop under roll bar

@BrainsofFrank 2 жыл бұрын

I guess there’s no dunk video for another couple weeks eh mike. No worries brother I’m just glad that your ok and nothing else got screwed up worse

@marquisemotorsport2821 2 жыл бұрын

#MikeB 👑🏆💪

@Kovar_NYC 2 жыл бұрын

"well, some of them are built so that the front doesn't fall of at all"

@jimmac1953 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like you had on Ackerman in the steering.

@Fordman7575 2 жыл бұрын

Man seeing that hurt me. So I can just imagine how it made you feel.

@HFV_Junkyardin 2 жыл бұрын

I guess this is what bumpers are for

@angeloah 2 жыл бұрын

So are you gunna box the mounts in with some support so they don’t wanna collapse the same way? I mean more then gussets to the frame from the eyelets where the lower control arm mounts. Seems a weak point, I’m asking because I am a beginner welder and would love to make some custom parts for my amusement and this seems like a learning exercise, not a loss in any way. I love your honesty, nicely done in moving forward and not lingering. 🤘🔥😎🔥🤘

@curlyqv2467 2 жыл бұрын

Big decision for the new year but I’m so stoked to see how it ends up! This is possibly the craziest project that’s happening on KZfaq right now!

@davidsolloway9349 2 жыл бұрын

Moral of the story ... more gussets ? OUCH

@ADSImagens 2 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing the results of the accident and thinking "this is not as easy as he's thinking". I am so sad about cause you don't deserve this kind of thing. But I am 100% sure that you're going to solve everything, creating good content and having a good time. Cheers!

@witchcraftauto 2 жыл бұрын

What saw blades do you use?! They cut through that frame like butter!

@oldfalcon3245 2 жыл бұрын

The damage went in cold, if it can’t come out cold replace it. Put it on a caroliner

@richardpugh3434 2 жыл бұрын

Not a lot of room there but is there any way of adding some kind of bracing from the firewall to the framerails? I know it’s a tight squeeze already. Anyways, love the truck and can’t wait to see what you come up with.

@vVeazel 2 жыл бұрын

Does your front axle geometry also have positive caster to help with bump steer?

@helistorm98 2 жыл бұрын

mike, did you change the lights? the intro looks different in a good way!

@kruxi_cro 2 жыл бұрын

i would rejoint this by putting extra tube inside in the place where did you cut

@barryf9112 2 жыл бұрын

Since the front fell off just remember when you are rebuilding it to use the correct materials - no carboard or cardboard derivatives, no string & no cellotape - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adNlpNuL0sWuoYE.html Good luck with the new design & remember to attach the steering collum :)