I don’t think that anyone would ever be wrong for entering the competition. However making people fork over their rights to their hard made works is straight up exploiting new artists and possibly desperate people….
@sehamon Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I don't blame anybody who works hard and enters into a competition like this. I think it's awesome they're willing to give it their all. I do blame Pink Floyd for extorting these animators. If the terms of contract didn't immediately seize the right to your animation so they could use it later without paying you, we might not all be talking about this. But that clause shows they're just concerned about their bottom line, and care nothing for the animators.
@anyaisma4878 Жыл бұрын
They aren’t exploiting anyone. It’s a free entry contest. Don’t join it if you don’t like the conditions. What are you complaining about if you can read?
@Purple_Trial Жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw Pink Floyd in the title I was like “oh god what’s going on”
@evilgenius97 Жыл бұрын
I cant believe the people who hated on Pink Floyd for the rainbow they've had forever
@Purple_Trial Жыл бұрын
@@evilgenius97 fr though, like no they aren’t trying to go woke💀
@cmtcomet Жыл бұрын
Did the title change because “pink floyd” is not in the title at all
@Purple_Trial Жыл бұрын
@@cmtcomet I’m pretty sure it did
@Faunadude Жыл бұрын
Same
@randirafaeli Жыл бұрын
As someone that is living in a developing country and that is learning animation I could be interested by this. The amount of money would be enough for me to not survive but live a good life for years. But also as someone that was screwed over by some employee that didn't pay the rest of my pay for commission work and ghosted me, those clauses definitely sounds too fishy for me. Also the 30 submissions stuff is just ridiculous. I definitely would understand why people would love to participate but I feel like this one is not worth it. Just my own opinion.
@jacoblee21 Жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for everybody who entered the contest. I feel that both artists and animators deserve to be treated better AND paid fairly.
@brimstoner982 Жыл бұрын
For a band that had an entire album about capitalism and how it exploits the working class, they're looking pretty expoititive rn.
@Jane-oz7pp Жыл бұрын
Same band that has a whole album about the evils of war who now support Putin?
@brimstoner982 Жыл бұрын
@@Jane-oz7pp I don’t think Pink Floyd supports Putin. The band published their first single in 8 years about the war. And even though Roger Waters has shitty Ukraine takes, he still condemns Putin for starting the war.
@mr.nobodymc9741 Жыл бұрын
@@brimstoner982 his “shitty takes” are about stopping World War III from happening.
@Froggycolouring Жыл бұрын
What a beautiful pfp
@TDisHere Жыл бұрын
I love the videos coming out in Fridays. Great way to start a weekend watching commentary after the worst week 😓 I hate when big companies take advantage on hard work from animators. I'm someone who's heading in the field of animation soon to learn and get a job from it so hearing things like this is really wrong and honestly sad.
@AndaraBledin Жыл бұрын
The worst part in this case is that the 'big company' is actually the band's corp, which is run by Gilmour, Mason, and Waters. So disappointing.
@stwormmarkus Жыл бұрын
@@AndaraBledin there not the ones making the choices? Right? Like sure some stuff was decided by them but they don't make the decision to keep the rights to the music video. Right?
@AndaraBledin Жыл бұрын
@@stwormmarkus Not sure how it wouldn't be them. They might be operating on the advice of lawyers or something, but they, specifically, are the ones at the top, so any decisions made are signed off on by them if not originated with them.
@stwormmarkus Жыл бұрын
@@AndaraBledin right. I'm banking on the record company or the lawyers. Because I don't see them be this unprofessional in the topic of animation. I guess they just don't know any better.
@AndaraBledin Жыл бұрын
@@stwormmarkus There is no record company. Or, more accurately, THEY are the record company in this instance. And you can't blame the UK group that is also a part of the contest. I wanted to, so I checked up on their other contests and the ones they do without partners are far less abusive.
@MariusWales Жыл бұрын
What has the animation medium done to deserve all the shit it's been getting as of late?! From David Zaslav's infinite wisdoms to crap like this. I know animation is expensive, but a lot of these higher ups sure do like to make themselves the top priority, don't they?
@taylorslade8080 Жыл бұрын
Exist
@bunnywar Жыл бұрын
Entitled brats think they were born owed luxury products and therefore want to take from everyone. People support millionaires ripping off disabled workers but those same workers are labeled as elitists even when they're under charging for their products and labor
@phantom-ri2tg Жыл бұрын
Animation is expensive because it is a lot of work. They can deal with it.
@greenhowie Жыл бұрын
Old rock stars tend not to really know what the fuck is going on, remember Ringo's bizarre NFT-verse thing? Someone is taking advantage of them and probably scooping the rights for the animations off to their own company.
@Fionapollo Жыл бұрын
It's the same thing with gorillaz releasing nfts, it's moreso the record companies shilling them out rather than something the actual band wants a lot of the time
@AndaraBledin Жыл бұрын
The company in question is actually run by Gilmour, Mason, and Waters. No third party involved.
@Jane-oz7pp Жыл бұрын
Don't pretend PF aren't the same as any other old people tbh, they're greedy and have no understanding of global issues. Roger Waters is a Putin support ffs, they're not good people.
@The_Open_Book Жыл бұрын
Pulling out if they get less than 30 submissions is an odd clause to add.. I understand that a host for a contest doesn't want to shell out anything if they don't get what they were looking for, but it's so much worse than a Kickstarter not going through, because it's not just "oh maybe I lose some money" it's "I did lose time, money, and effort, making something for a contest that doesn't acknowledge that product anymore" :/
@humanbeeing4780 Жыл бұрын
Then don’t enter
@Justcetriyaart Жыл бұрын
Yep this seems like a decision by committee thinking it's "engagement ". Lol I kinda want to to see them flooded with ai to see what happens
@AndaraBledin Жыл бұрын
So, the contest is being created in collaboration with British Film Institute. However, the promoter is listed as Pink Floyd Music Ltd and the people behind that are Gilmour, Mason, and Waters, so those three would be the ones to profit. Checking the terms of another contest that is sponsored solely by the BFI, it appears that the usurious copyright terms are actually from PFM. There is no record label involved. So, I can't say who came up with those terrible terms, but it was either the band or people directly involved with them, which is sorely disappointing. I do have to tell all you kids that the show they put on in support of the release of The Wall was pretty spectacular.
@ElvisRocking1 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit, amazing job with this deep dive! This video needs a ton of more exposure, thank you for your work, it has not gone unnoticed.
@rai1578 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think "competitions" like this cross a little too far into the territory of spec work for my comfort. I think art contests are great. However, I think it crosses a line when they are used as a way for a company or an individual to get a lot of different options that they can choose from- to use for their own profit- without needing to pay all of the artists. I don't blame anyone who enters contests like these. They're the ones being exploited in this situation, not the ones causing the problem. I think in the cases of famous people, like this and the Billie Eilish thing, it feels particularly manipulative. They know their fans have a parasocial relationship with them. Most people wouldn't work for free just because their boss asked them to, but it's a different story when it's their favorite musician instead.
@1kaz1 Жыл бұрын
I'm from Argentina, an artist (who occasionally animates) and struggling with money right now That's the whole comment I just wanted to note the coincidence
@1kaz1 Жыл бұрын
AND I rlly like Pink Floyd
@emperorofscelnar8443 Жыл бұрын
The thing about companies, anything you draw for that company automatically becomes their property, the characters you create end up no longer being yours, they end up being company property with all those contracts in place of course.
@emperorofscelnar8443 Жыл бұрын
Business is a messy thing.
@emperorofscelnar8443 Жыл бұрын
This is why I only do art as a hobby.
@holy.diever Жыл бұрын
As a hobbyist that doesnt rlly care for the money nor exposure im probably the prime demographic for something like this lol. Your video informed me that it even existed Im glad you're not condemning everyone who thinks of entering, but yeah this is a shady contest. Honestly though every contest ive ever seen is shady. Not sure if theres a way to make an art contest without it being inherently shady. People who partake in them just need to know what theyre getting into and make informed decisions based on their personal situation. Younger and inexperienced artists should have guidance from older artists to make sure they aren't unknowingly getting exploited by contests. My problem with contests usually is them targeting younger/newer inexperienced artists that dont have the knowledge to know what theyre getting into. Contests can be fun af, even if theyre inherently exploitative on the hosts part. The host can do things that midigate that (pink floyd has not done those things btw) but the artists always need to know what they're getting into so they can make an informed decision about it. I might partake just bc my goals are to have fun and do art for fun and i think competition is fun My motivation doesn't conflict with it. I just wanna experiemnt and have fun. They wont take away my ability to tell people i made it and thats all id really care about honestly. Id never have a need to use the animation again and i make a livable wage from my day job so idc about the money aspect. Also i like the music so lol. But not everyones like me and people need to be informed and make decisions based on their own situation and what would be ok for them.
@AndaraBledin Жыл бұрын
The contest is being done in collaboration with the BFI and looking at some of the contests they run, the terms here are really bad in comparison.
@CloudyDaze Жыл бұрын
The entirety of the Dungeons and Dragons community had stood up in a massive uproar over a licensing issue that would have forked over the rights of third party publishers. We just barely scrapped by back to the status quo yesterday. I for one am getting pretty dang tired of corpos and millionaires or billionaires claiming to strip the rights of others to "protect themselves". Just because Pink Floyd's record label was influential in the past does not mean they hold the same values as they did today. It's hard to want to give them the benefit of the doubt when they're already in such a protected and privelaged position. Guilds and Unions are helpful. Jesus christ.
@cydney1545 Жыл бұрын
this reminds me of the Billie Eilish fanart/merch situation from last year almost exactly. even the sketchy term and conditions seem the same which is really disappointing seeing as the fanart competition got such backlash that they would even try to exploit artists again in the exact same way. such a money grab
@lafolleauxmostisma Жыл бұрын
Nice art like always! Idk what to think about this to be honest... it would have been cool if they just commissioned animators but what do I know I don't really know much about this stuff ^^'
@hollybrownvideos Жыл бұрын
To me it seems like a good way to get some money while practicing animation. Idk just don’t count on winning .
@Fionapollo Жыл бұрын
That's fair, I'm genuinely not opposed to ppl entering & would've liked to myself if they didn’t require your legal name lol
@LushiferII Жыл бұрын
bout the legal contract: Ai is not listed because it cannot be copyrighted. If a contestant use AI art it will probably be automatically disqualified, as the company won't be able to copyright the end material. So even if they didn't specify it, artists are protected by that.
@ridwanjodi1429 Жыл бұрын
Animator here, working on small studio. On AMV (Animation Music Video) project, we usually make repeatable and reusable frames to ease the job, like lipsync in still position or walk cycle, or whatever movement i.e. something reusable and let the compositor unite them. And as small studio we often use 8 fps rather than 12 fps except for the client pays extra, but that is rare chase so just use 8 fps but keep the quality of the movements good because, of course, deadline. So yeah, we work in efficient way but pleasing for our client.
@SaffronicSaffron Жыл бұрын
I Thought pink floyd was dead... I'm rrrreeeaaallyy out of the loop.
@digitalkartoffel5358 Жыл бұрын
Lol. How would the band be dead
@CloudyDaze Жыл бұрын
19:32 To try to curb my seething anger at you I need to point out... Yes. Yes you can ENTIRELY disregard this point. This is essentially the same as "working for exposure". This mindset of thinking that talking points is worth blood sweat and effort is insulting and continues the problems artists are creating. I bet Seong-rak Jang felt brilliant drawing themselves to death because Solo Leveling was popular and they could get their work exposed to so many people. That was certainly worth the death of overwork, right?
@CloudyDaze Жыл бұрын
Doubling down on this, I realized something else entirely more baffling. Because you mentioned earlier in the video that creators in south america would also be working and that the benefits they could receive for doing this would be way better. Do you know what also goes a long way for South Americans? *MONEY!* Fun Fact: $20 USD is around 3,760 Argentinian Pesos. That prize pool could DEFINITELY change the life of one particular artist who won IF they were from there but the bottom line is you could vastly underpay plenty of south american workers and they could still have meaningful impact on their situations. But even that point is entirely dashed when you even consider paying people in EXPOSURE. I guess it's okay to take advantage of impoverished people because they're minorities. Silly me. Also I want to apologize for being so spiteful. I'm puerto rican and my island is in the hand of greedy debtor companies and the economy is fucked beyond belief and it's still doing better than some other countries south of the border. So hearing any permutation of the "Exposure goes a long way" argument sets me off something fierce.
@RosesnWater Жыл бұрын
thanks for making these great in depth videos ^^
@emperorofscelnar8443 Жыл бұрын
My cousins, uncle and aunts are British, my parents where born in England but moved to Canada where I was born, I had grandparents in England but their gone now, for years by now.
@captainkirk265 Жыл бұрын
Here's the thing though. If you participate in this competition you're actively hurting the entire industry and reinforcing the fact that this giant corporations can do whatever they want to do. If this works what's to stop them from offering no prize money at all for another competition? I can't stop anyone from entering but I won't say that it's ok because it's not. Until people stand up together these problems won't go away. We need to send a message that they can't treat us like trash and we'll just accept it.
@rockfan243 Жыл бұрын
This is so sad. Dosn't pink floyd remember the 60's and 70's when new rock musicians were exploited by millionaire record labels and so many artists lost rights to their music?!?! Disgraceful.
@AndaraBledin Жыл бұрын
So, Clause 26 is quite a doozy and I wish it had been covered: 26. The Promoter shall have the right, at its sole discretion and at any time, to change or modify these Terms, such change shall be effective immediately upon posting on this page. Yikes!
@FreshmanGrimm Жыл бұрын
If i recall shaq did the same two years ago with shaqtoons
@StickmanLLC1 Жыл бұрын
Some big title you got there, you have my interest.
@kidshipley69 Жыл бұрын
Hold up, did you say thousands of dollars was cheap? I'd kill for that amount, and also could somebody fill me in on the whole animation rights thing?
@kidshipley69 Жыл бұрын
@@5H4RKU8US how much would it be if it was a group?
@kidshipley69 Жыл бұрын
@@5H4RKU8US would a group if animaters get paid less for the same project compared to one?
@kidshipley69 Жыл бұрын
@@5H4RKU8US what's the animation rights about?
@markcooperartcomofficial Жыл бұрын
Are you homeless?..You probably work at mcdonalds with a comment like that.
@brianneutralnerd1 Жыл бұрын
I’ve never heard any of their songs except one for a little bit from one of AVGN’s game reviews. Though I’ve heard that if you played the album with a movie called “The Wizard of Oz” like playing the album while watching the movie… I think it would be cool or something. I don’t know.
@AndaraBledin Жыл бұрын
So, I've done the 'play the album with the movie' thing and let me say that it's actually way better with the movie Fantasia than The Wizard of Oz.
@Igorooooleynikov Жыл бұрын
Lol, I received a proposal to animate for ed shiran pokemon music video (rotoscope part, they had "take on me" as a reference) FOR around 800$! Whole f*ing video! Full production. I had 3 seconds cost 1k$(which is not very much, should've take more).
@shelbybayer200 Жыл бұрын
Yikes, this is incredibly Sleazy to do to say "Hey artists, anything you make even if they don't win the contest aren't your's anymore. They belong to us now"
@MultiKwolfАй бұрын
Depends on where the Argentina person lives, if he or she lives in a rural or poor area then yes it would make a huge difference but if they live in a city or somewhere high end then no its not going to make a huge impact on their lives, just like if you would compare someone living somewhere in a rural England vs london not all are the same and over simplflying it , is a massive disservice to people living in Argentina. Sorry Fiona its really not that simple.
@floodattendant002 Жыл бұрын
damn... that is super annoying. thank you for covering this. i love the art, though! great job
@marianbaker7800 Жыл бұрын
Never heard of that band but love your videos so much.
@tinnedteainsyrup8943 Жыл бұрын
I love pink floyd music but HHHHHH!! So much recent drama this sucks
@ianb3515 Жыл бұрын
Hey Fiona, where did you study at for animation?
@Fionapollo Жыл бұрын
University
@MariusWales Жыл бұрын
@@Fionapollo Not as vague as that, you ducky! XD
@ianb3515 Жыл бұрын
@@Fionapollo lol i figured. but which University ?
@Kiara.step-daughter Жыл бұрын
I used to listen to Pink Floyd. This is interesting news
@skarpenske Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I don’t know much about this since I don’t animate I just make digital art, but it doesn’t seem like that big of a problem. Like at least they’re paying the winners unlike some other celebrity held art/animation competitions I’ve heard of, like just so long as everyone who’s work is used is payed fairly for their work it seems perfectly fine. I see how the copyright thing could be an issue but at the same time if you’re participating in the competition you know what you’re singing up for if you’re not comfortable with then just don’t enter, simple as that. I recognize all the problems animators have been facing lately but I honestly don’t think this is exploitation, you’re entering it fully knowing what you’re singing up for there’s no trickery or shady stuff going on behind the scenes.
@tVt2000 Жыл бұрын
Pink Floyd, my men, why you gotta do this.
@emperorofscelnar8443 Жыл бұрын
A lot of good songs come from the 19 hundreds, from the 50s to 90s of the last century.
@wannabewyvern Жыл бұрын
my dumb ass only found out through this video that Pink Floyd was a band and not a person 💀💀💀
@emperorofscelnar8443 Жыл бұрын
So what is your thoughts on VTubers, people who use anime girl avatars to manipulate people for money, in other words playing people like a fiddle for profit, I don’t know why but VTubers are crossing my mind even though your not talking about them in this video.
@that_tvhead Жыл бұрын
i only know one thing about pink floyd (before watching this video) : their name
@LEOLEOOLEO Жыл бұрын
as someone from a south american country, i dont really agree with your point. Just because we are from developing or third world countries it doesn't mean we should be grateful for a pay that is considered bellow a living wage in the country of origin, specially when the cost of living keeps increasing and the minimum wage isn't close enough to cover a decent living condition
@Fionapollo Жыл бұрын
That's fair enough, I wasn't trying to insinuate that you should be happy with something that another country would be dissatisfied at. It was just me theorising with the numbers that the internet gave me & other factors would definitely play into whether this contest would be worth it for someone from any corner of the world.
@Clown234-k1p9 ай бұрын
NOOOO NOT PINK FLOYD THERE MY FAVORITE :(
@EOdesigns11 ай бұрын
The competition is now clearly indicating that only the winners give their rights of their work to the band in exchange for winnings. Losers keep their losing content.
@Flagnightstar Жыл бұрын
I was actually wearing a dark side of the moon hoodie while watching this lol. I don't even listen to pink floyd.
@lamecasuelas2 Жыл бұрын
That fanart Is pretty cool, but It seems More suitable for a Hawkind cover.....but not as druggy......or horny.........and with less dancers...... What an amazing band! But i digress, Man! Floyd should learn from the Génesis fandom, there's a guy who Made a complete animated movie for The lamb Lies down on Broadway, it's amazing!
@ARCHIVED9610 Жыл бұрын
WHAAAAA
@artposting1012 Жыл бұрын
If they own the rights without paying you a living wage in your country, what's the point of using human labor to do it?
@bluefox8011 Жыл бұрын
Losing your rights to your work? Time to not enter that contest
@useyowords9745 Жыл бұрын
Funny how all the old hippie boomers decided capitalism is actually great.
@guyalmate Жыл бұрын
JOJO'S BIZARRE ADVENTURE
@Kiara.step-daughter Жыл бұрын
I used to listen to Pink Floyd. This is interesting news