I FIRST... WATCHED, "4 FREE"... ON "KZfaq", AS MANY OF MANUEL de la TORRE's VIDEOS AS I COULD...AND LISTENED CAREFULLY...THEN DID EXACTLY AS HE WAS INSTRUCTING...HOLY SHIT!...I DROPPED 10 STROKES OFF MY CARD AFTER JUST A FEW MONTHS OF PRACTICING OF "NOT FOCUSING ON THE DAMN BALL", BUT ON MY "CLUB AND HOW IT WAS MOVING" INSTEAD. I JUST LOVE THIS APPROACH. IT HAS HELPED ME MORE THAN ANY OF THE HUGE AMOUNT OF TRADITIONAL GOLF LESSONS I EVER HAD. i HAVE BEEN PLAYING SINCE I WAS 10yo...MORE THAN 50 YEARS NOW, AND ENJOYING IT MORE THAT EVER B4... IT SO SAD 😢 HE HAS NOW GONE TO HEAVEN.... RIP "MANNY" AND THANK YOU FOR LEAVING US YOUR VIDEOS TO WATCH, AND LEARN BY...👍❤✝🙋♂️✔
@afogie696 жыл бұрын
I have been playing a number of years and had instruction along the way that focused on body position which I spent hours working on at the range. It came to the point where I had so many swing thoughts I could execute them which let me down the road to the 'quick fix' like on the golf channel. The fix never worked very long and a new fix was required. My golf game deserted me and I was ready to quit until one day I was at the range and a man was getting a lesson next to me and the instruction was completely different than anything I had seen, read or had been told. Manual's method worked for me and I've seen it work for others, the theory sounds simple until you try it as all your perceptions have to change. It's the club you need to move and not force your body to move.
@jeromebalbi93012 жыл бұрын
Same conclusion after 10 years of play ! On the course, when I merely focus on the target and what I want to achieve, everything becomes natural and result is way better than when I feed my brain with so many swing thoughts during execution. I strongly believe this is how human body and brain work. We focus on intention and the rest is "natural", even though it requires to learn and develop skills.
@justineller67184 жыл бұрын
Ed is 100% right about everything he said. I have incorporated all these tips into my game and have improved dramatically! Thank you Ed and thank you Manuel!
@sph262Күн бұрын
I totally agree with Ed, I prefer old school golf swing, more natural, when I swing I only care my grips, swing paths, momentum, rhythm. I don't care how my arms drop, how my left elbow straight, how weight transferred, they all controlled by the "momentum of my downswing"
@downunderpar4 жыл бұрын
One of the best interviews I have ever listened to! I have been preaching this for years! So good, so simple! Yet people are duped into believing otherwise! In order to be great in this game. you have to be very prepared to walk contrary to the world's ways!!
@dogloverjb68734 жыл бұрын
My instructor teaches the Manuel de la Torre swing method. After 30 yrs of taking lessons and just not getting it from other instructors in the past....I finally get it with the Manuel teaching technique ! Forget about the body and focus on the golf club. Learn to be aware of it in your swing and your body and swing will correct itself.
@fredgreene4 жыл бұрын
So glad you enjoyed this episode!
@cyborgramos7 жыл бұрын
Just listened to the podcast today and went to the range. Focused on planting my feet to stay in balance and allowing the club to go through it's arc. Love it!!! Thanks for the tips and all other podcasts!!!
@bobt57787 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid (I'm 59 now) my dad said "just swing the club back and forth" and get out of the way. Never understood that until I read De la Torre's book. I just stay focused on driving the ball down the target line. I see a dotted line from the ball to the target and swing the club thru the ball and down that line. My body just responds to this requirement. Good luck with your game.
@akeenamateur78445 жыл бұрын
A really interesting discussion! I came to a similar conclusion a few years ago, and it is good to hear that there are some golf instructors who's philosophy is about learning to use the tool first. Of all the lessons I have over years, never once have they ever started with how you should be using the golf club! Most golf instruction always starts with a full swing, which is like trying to play Hotel California on you first guitar lesson! The trouble is most people who take up golf want to start playing straight away - I mean how hard can it be? You just have to hit a stationary object! But golf in one of the fastest games, and probably the one with the smallest of margins (and you've got 14x the equipment to deal with!) Everyone would be better off just starting with wedge and a putter, and not progressing until you've worked out how to use these properly! I'm really interested in the way Moe Norman approached the game. It seems to me that his approach all along was precisely this - using they equipment first to get the desired result, hence the idiosyncrasies of his swing (he also had a unwavering belief in his abilities). Interesting video to watch on him is when he talks his about swing after seeing de la Torre.
@gibsonguitarplayer5 ай бұрын
This was great
@ricardorel50298 ай бұрын
Great video. The school in Las Cruces is Professional Golf Management program at New Mexico State University (NMSU)
@RollYourRock4 жыл бұрын
@ 0:01 to 27:10 (The Why) / @ 27:11 to 46:40 (The How)
@MrLeftyno17 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, I remember being at a range and a player said to me that this game is so difficult, my reply was no the game is simple we make the game difficult. It is like the guy who hits one OB left then the next ball OB right, then in despair says to his playing partners to hell with this and tees up a ball and pures it straight down the Fairway, he is amazed and both mad that he could not do it the first time, see on the first 2 shots he got in the way of the swing on the last he just swung the club and got out the way of himself. the secret LOL.
@bobt57787 жыл бұрын
So true - I've played my best round after tanking my score and tossing my card. Your mind is now cleared! Whacky game this is!
@alexpaul90557 жыл бұрын
New sub from be better golf. Love this podcast I have a lot of catching up to do.
@steveperry13445 жыл бұрын
about 20 yrs ago i had a video with manuel delatorre and i think the man on the right was the host.
@robertminer1829 ай бұрын
Correction; Earnest Jones lost his right leg not his left leg.
@jardinesydney94476 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed podcast,why has golf instruction drifted away from old Manuel De La Torre,s philosophy on golf swing,and did he modify the swing that Ernest Jones taught him,as regards the swing it sounds so simple and makes complete sense.S/J.
@robsaxepga6 жыл бұрын
What is astounding to me is that some are so adverse to this approach. It's so easy to learn this way it's incredible. It is just like using a spoon or fork. Using those are easy...what's the difference?? lol I've bounced between this and the body approach for 40 years and this still works better for me. There is only one main principle to understand. From there just practice to refine the understanding of the feel of it and you're off. If the ball goes where it's supposed to, how can the body be wrong??
@steveperry13445 жыл бұрын
people have fretted over the golf swing since it was started. i 've had tons of books over the years the oldest from the early 20's and it's the same thing, way too much analysis.
@FredCDobbs-er4qd3 жыл бұрын
Which is what made learning next to impossible. With Ernest Jones is was simply: Learn what it feels like to use a "swinging" motion with a golf club and then do it. That's it. Sounds simple but it takes some practice. But it WILL work, it is much easier using this method than any other AND when things are not going right on the course you WILL know exactly what to do about it.
@Shagley5 жыл бұрын
Why aren’t golf clubs shorter? That way you can be more over the ball and have a much straighter and direct swing towards the target. No????
@Master...deBater2 жыл бұрын
You lose too much distance.
@Shagley2 жыл бұрын
@@Master...deBater Well i bought a set of one length from 3-pw and I’m now swinging in the same position over the ball, it’s just the club face angle and head weight that is different. It’s certainly helped with accuracy and consistency
@Master...deBater2 жыл бұрын
@@Shagley Yeah...they tend to help people with issues hitting long irons. They eliminate the need to change tempo with increasingly longer shafted clubs. Glad to hear they're working for you. Are the shafts that of a typical 6 or 7 iron?
@Shagley2 жыл бұрын
@@Master...deBater all at 7 iron length yes. 7/8 being my favourite clubs in a standard set
@davidmcnamara32432 жыл бұрын
Manuwell Manuwell :*if only twazz that simple!!!!
@sukhparhar Жыл бұрын
So, is the Driver also to be kept in the centre of my stance?
@bobgsearchАй бұрын
Yes
@jacobr455815 күн бұрын
Absolutely not! You are swinging on an ark and the majority of the clubs you're trying to catch at the bottom of the arc. The driver you're trying to catch it a little past the bottom of the Ark so in a typical stance setup you're going to play it more toward your front foot.
@sukhparhar15 күн бұрын
@@jacobr4558 Thank you
@jacquestaulard3088 Жыл бұрын
I like this conversation because it is a rare conversation. Let add this consideration, though. Most golfers are not children and/or take up the game perhaps later in their lives. What does this lead to? Guess.....RIght, older men notoriously approach problems or skill development as a process and a rational process. They also have physical limitations, injuries, sports failures in their youths, sports which they no longer can play. This leads to a certain entitlement and a problem-solving focus on their own bodies making movements which lead to clubhead control. Add to this the old commercial slogan of: sell to wants, not to needs and you have a ravenous pack of teaching wolves eager to pocket the local hourly rate. An older golfer is a difficult person to induce to even try swinging the clubhead. If he doesn't accept the simplicity and prefers to insist that difficulty is in his future, he goes on and tries to be a kinesiologist, an anatomist, a person who can decipher celebrated tournament golfers' own impossible descriptions of their swings (i.e., the pro golfer's swing). Add to that how the years appear to grant a man the ability to learn quickly and easily, a fantasy if there ever was one. We men mistake our passive presence on the planet for experience and learning which it is not. We still elect corrupt officials, send our boys and girls to trivializing schools, fall for the same sales pitches, hurt our health with foul eating and sleeping habits and imagine that our beautiful hair will sprout anew on a shiny pate. The principal golf student is a difficult guy (gals not so bad) to persuade of the beauty of the God-given body, of the need for good flexibility (within reason), and a solid program of useful practice where balance, good hands, and feeling the clubhead are the priorities. Once that is more or less habitual, the only thing that matters will be how to play a certain course so we have good opportunities to score well. And, at some point, should we be blessed with time and money to play very often, we have to settle for diminishing returns. Even though I am certain a scratch golfer is very pleased and properly so with his amazing handicap, he is in so many ways the most wretched of players because he KNOWS in his heart that this or that detail in his shoulder, foot, turn, club brand and even diet will remove one more stroke! Well, some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them. Adding: all are born with limitations and the costs of exceeding those are in the nature of a sacrifice, a costly one. And, in the end, it is play or serious betting or even both. Winning is great fun, hitting a series of good shots or having a run of low scores is a warm thing to clutch to at a wintertime fireplace. It is, in human terms, a rare experience, few will ever know. Finally, and this is a look under the emotional hood we all keep tightly latched: if we are good solid players, we get a smug satisfaction watching all those golf cripples flail and groan on the range. We know of their frustration, pain, ego-crushing confusion, wasted hours and dollars. And we don't have that any more! Well, not as much...
@golfsmarter Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your watching/listening and offering your comments. When did you start playing? How's your game today? From my conversations, I've learned that there are many golfers who do start when they're young and have the same frustrations as those of us who start later in life. But there's also those who succeed at the game no matter when they start.
@steveperry13445 жыл бұрын
golf should be a little more instinctive?
@mrkipling38417 жыл бұрын
Ive had a think about this and I cant quite buy the Yoda/zen approach. I can walk. I can throw a ball straight. Because I am facing my target. So try opening up your body to hit to the target you are facing and you'll end up with a (probably) massive slice. I know where my target is and I know that to get it there I need to hit it flush with a straight facing club, doesnt everyone know that? So why is it so difficult to do? Does this chap think that most people turn instrospective because its fun? Of course not. They are trying to figure out why they can throw a ball straight, walk in a straight line but NOT hit a golf ball straight (consistantly). So as much as this is well meaning and I guess at some level true I cant buy that simplicity as Ive tried too hard to be simplistic about it and it doesnt work (consistantly). Let me throw a curve ball in...what if the target is your ball? You know where you want the ball to go and how far to hit it, so why cant the target be the ball? At least you could then give that target your full attention and give max effort into making the club hit the centre of the ball and keep the club stable and square to where you deem the (external) target to be. Just a thought, thanks for a very interesting video.
@briano62687 жыл бұрын
No zen, just a little basic geometry & physics and a little knowledge of how we humans learn & perform physical actions. First the geometry. We swing the club around a center (ourselves) in a circle. Anytime there is a circle it's on a plane. All the horizontal chords of that circle are parallel to each other & to the tangent on that plane which represents the target line. In the swing, anytime the club passes thru horizontal it becomes a partial chord of the circle being described by the club. Jim Furyk and others have proven that it's only the forward swing geometry that matters to the ball. However, it is much easier to swing the club back and forward on the same circle (plane) than to change midstream. Anyway, on the forward swing, if you are aligned correctly to your target and you swing the club forward so that the club is parallel to the target line as it passes thru horizontal coming into impact and again after impact the club will have been returned to impact dead square. A millisecond before the club is horizontal/parallel beyond impact the entire club (i.e. the shaft) will be pointing directly at the target. This leads us to the physics principle which states that anytime you're trying to propel an object in a certain direction with another object that object must be moving in the target direction. So our job is to setup aimed and aligned as precisely as we can on our target and then make the best circular swing that we can with our club in the direction of the that target. The best way to do that is not to try to control all of our body motions. The best way is to VISUALIZE what we wish to do with the tool we are using, the golf club. Just like we visualize driving a nail, or swinging an axe on a tree without thinking about what our elbows, and shoulders, and knees etc... are doing. Become familiar with the geometric characteristics of a swinging golf club, believe that if you swing it in the direction of your target the ball will go there, and practice swinging your clubs at targets while visualizing your club swinging at those targets.
@bobt57787 жыл бұрын
Funny though, Lee Trevino said that a round of gold takes "a minute and a half" to play" meaning that you really only concentrate for the 1.5 seconds required to perform each shot. Golfers tend to let a lot of stuff creep into their head during the moments before during and after! Negative stuff like "I hope I don't hit the trap, or chunk it, slice etc..." The only thing to be done in golf is send the ball to the target, but we can't look at the target like throwing a ball to someone. Just a thought, but this is what makes is a game you never get bored with (45 years of playing for me)!
@dtgps4 жыл бұрын
@@briano6268 The hammer thrower, swings arms in a circle;Not in a full golf swing. Our bones and muscle create levers. In golf we set lever angles in the BS and those angles get released by the kinematic sequence in the DS. Deceleration of the proximal creates acceleration of the distal in a chain action. The only connection to the golf club is with our hands, so to control the tool, we have to know how to control our hands.
@allansteele46022 жыл бұрын
He lost his right leg , not the left
@golfsmarter2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for catching that. Sorry for the misinformation.
@robsaxepga5 жыл бұрын
Fred needs help... Lol
@johnlawson20677 жыл бұрын
Stopped watching/listening @ 1: 21 when the guy started using words that He obviously didn't know the meaning of.. "Penultimate" Wtf ?....
@johnlawson20677 жыл бұрын
Did as you suggested & whilst the videos were very enjoyable they are a wee bit dated. For example, He explains how to produce a"Draw" ( By closing the club face), but Trackman/Science proves this not to be the case. Not blaming Him, everyone at that time thought the same, but still well worth listening to.
@briano62687 жыл бұрын
From Manuel de la Torre's book "Understanding the Golf Swing" on how to produce a hook (or a draw): "1. Close the club face to whatever degree the ball is to be hooked. 2. The club face must be facing the direction in which the ball is to start. If the closed club face is facing the target where you want the ball to end, as the ball curves it will move away from the target instead of toward it. 3. Your body should be positioned so that it faces the shaft of the club squarely, which will set the body farther to the opposite side of where the ball is to end. After this setup had been accomplished, make your swing the same way as if the ball were to be sent straight. The club face will impart the spin to the ball." So, as you can see, Manuel was teaching the correct way to curve shots all along without the benefit of Trackman. BTW, Mr. Lawson, it seems a little ridiculous to dismiss a golf instructor's teaching simply because he misuses a word. He's not an English teacher you know.
@johnlawson20677 жыл бұрын
"Old ball flight laws" & "New ball flight laws".... You can believe what ever you want to.
@briano62687 жыл бұрын
If you read carefully the steps I posted from de la Torre's book you will find that they DO conform to the "new ball flight laws".
@johnlawson20677 жыл бұрын
Newer equipment & new golf balls react in a different way. The C.O.R. of a modern golf ball is different to an old golf ball.
@lutzchoco17 жыл бұрын
Does a car drives you ?
@lutzchoco16 жыл бұрын
Jacob Agree ! But it is far more intricate than that I beleive that geometry is the real deal
@lutzchoco16 жыл бұрын
Jacob the quote about the car is from Mike Austin and when Mike speaks.....
@lutzchoco16 жыл бұрын
Jacob Nothing if it does not move
@lutzchoco16 жыл бұрын
Jacob thats the secret because if the tool doesn't move in space accordingly ( really narrow route btw) then good luck with consistency. I was expecting deeper conversation from you than a split.
@lutzchoco17 жыл бұрын
bs
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