Absolutely

Simple my ass! Talk about a convoluted bunch of nonsense.

He's very good isn't he. I think he struggles a bit with the explanation though and over complicates it. Shawn Clement would have loved to discuss golf with this guy I bet. Clement knows how to explain it all and what Manuel is trying to say and why, due to our task, which is to throw the club at the target basically or cut grass/dandelion stems with the bottom of the club. Just put a ball in the way.

Have a look at and read of the following....highly recommend checking out the wiki link at the end of this comment folks......Ernest Jones was a very successful teacher back after WWI when he lost his right leg from the knee down, yet was still able to shoot great scores (83 on 1 leg, his first round playing after losing part of his right leg! then a 72 after on a long tough course) Checkout the iki link below! Our bodies know the "hows" as soon as our minds give it a 'task' and as so many say, "paint the picture of what we want in our mind", then it's as simple as allowing the body to produce the right motions to get the 'task' at hand(s) done! Ernest Jones taught many of the greats back in his day, most notable being Glenna Collett-Vare who some of the best say was even better than Babe Zaharias, he also taught the likes of Betty Hicks, Horton Smith, Lawson Little and others. The mental pictures we paint in the minds eye, imho is the biggest key to the golf swings puzzle! Not one human on earth has to think about which muscles do what in hammering a nail, walking, talking, swinging any other object, yet golf, far too many seem to want to over complicate everything, by 'thinking' about all that babbling being said by so many teachers out there! Ernest Jones was saying the following back in the early 1900s - - The drastic simplicity of his approach to golf instruction met with rancor and objection when he was invited by the PGA (Professional Golfers' Association of America) to present his work. Horton Smith, then the incoming president of the association, told Jones his system was "..too simple. We wouldn't sell enough lessons." Jones responded, "That's the trouble, you want your students to keep on suffering. Once you get your people to swing the clubhead they will improve." Perhaps much to the PGA's chagrin, whereas an average pro would have given about 600 lessons a year, Jones would give many times that number.[3] One of Jones' devotees was Angel de la Torre who in turn taught this approach to his son Manuel de la Torre. These two professionals alone would add thousands to the list golfers who benefited from a "club-focused" approach to golf. Jones often said, "The trouble with the teaching of golf, is that one is taught what a swing produces [body movement], instead of how to produce a swing [club movement]." Manuel de la Torre was the preeminent authority on the Ernest Jones approach and further developed it in his teaching. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Jones_(golfer)

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I gotta say the same. Yesterday I played and was just experimenting/practicing. I felt I was swinging but felt "tied" up. From Manuel's book, I took a picture of the swing concept and saved it to my favorites on my phone. So I just tried to swing the club over my shoulder then over to the other shoulder. I started hitting really well but what it showed me is that I had been bringing the club around on the backswing rather just swinging it up over my shoulder. The freedom in the swing I experienced was instant. It's so simple. I'm a 3 handicap and was a pro for 15 years. The body responds to the swing. I've made it too difficult for myself.

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For EVERYONE!

Do you have his or her name? Posts on you tube?

Just got his book also. Love how easy he makes it. Would have loved to take a lesson from him. Leave your wrist and hands alone. Man they release beautifully when you don't try to move them. I think that why a practice swing is so smooth but then you get tense and use your hands on the down swing. Trust that you only move your arms on the down swing. The contact is so much better and no unintentional slice or hook.

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Wow.. 190 7 iron... please post your data... not saying you didnt hit this.. just would love to see your better than Tour av data.

@@mikebarnard2689 Precisely my thoughts. Sounds like a fantasy merchant that can’t distinguish between 150 yards and 190 yards

@@donharrold1375 everyone thinks they can easily carry a 7 iron 150 yds… possibly now with cranked lofts.. but most can’t .

dpardo74 that was brilliantly stated 👍🏼. It’s painful getting through these videos with all the “yeah buts”

It seems like they're even arguing with him on some points. Aside from swinging down with the arms instead of the hands, this is right out of the Jones book..

The group don’t realise they’re there to listen and copy not to quiz and ask redundant questions

Yep, that's what I think. He was wasting his time on most of those guys.

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.. the thought process is a dissecting process, it’s not wholistic. The sum of the parts is not the whole apparently 😳

You can't make so much money teaching a simple technique. If you make it complicated, students keep coming back to get things fixed!

At least you saw it 2 years ago! What about me, been playing 35 years, just found this. . .

What about me I’ve just seen it!

Wouldn’t Mac be the diametric opposite of Del Torre. I mean if you said to Manuel “you’re way out of position at p3” he would look at you like you had two heads haha

Manuel stated that you swing with the arms. Mr. Jones said that you swing with the hands and fingers. I "swing" like neither stated. I start the swing by turning to my right, from there my hands pick up the motion of the club. My hands are the only thing in contact with the club so they are where the message to my brain originates. No one can tell you how it feels when the club is swung. You have to learn it by doing it. Most golfers hit a golf ball by using leverage. Swinging is totally different. Your last sentence summed it all up pretty good.

They are Americans... everything has to be technical and complicated or it doesn't work. 😁

They are just trying to determine what muscles add power presumable so that they can add distance through exercise, at least that's how I took that line of questioning.

@@makemichiganhome agree, they’re just soaking it all in and taking advantage of good opportunity.

If that'a all you got. Rewatch.

Then cup your wrist if that’s natural

Brandon, does you ball generally go to your target when your left wrist cups at the end of the backswing? If so, I would say that it's nothing to worry about.

.. were you listening, there’s no how, just watch the video again dude

Look here (from about 2:00 to 3:20): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fJOYjM-p06iZf4E.html. I think this is what he was saying (which he basically repeats after the edit).

So, _so_ true.

Yes but the guy got paid just the same!

Tim, I took lessons from Manuel for the last 10 years of his life. Sure wish I'd found him sooner. As to your question I know that he felt the coil involved the reaction of the wrists, hands, and golf club to the momentum of the backswing. As far as the body he believed that it simply responds to the motion of the swinging elements (hands, arms, club) throughout the swing.

The coil he is referring to is the reaction from taking the club at address to the top of your shoulders. Its the shoulder and hip rotation going back, which is triggered by first the hands (takeaway) and then the arms (at top of the backswing). Yes, he (and not only him, but countless old school instructors) wants you to start the downswing with your arms to return the clubface to its original spot at address and gravity + physics will take care of the rest. Its pretty simple concept but extremely effective. "Swing back and then return the club to its original spot." He doesn't care about bowing of the left wrist or "swinging out to Right field" like many instructors teach today. "Swing back, swing through".Doesnt matter what you did or at what speed, just make sure you do the same going down. Downswing should always start with the arms like Sergio Garcia's father always said. "Like you are ringing a bell from the top" or Jack's "want my club to reach the ball before the buttons on my shirt". Golf is really a simple game in terms of the physics but because everyone is different in terms of height/weight.. swing plane will be different golfer to golfer. Modern instructors over analyze this but the concept has never changed for over 800 years.

I was thinking the same thing. The attitude definitely matches 🤣

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