A Tale of Two NBA Rebuilds
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Күн бұрынThe Oklahoma City Thunder are on pace to be a top 4 team in the Western Conference, while the Detroit Pistons are on pace to have the highest odds at the lottery. Both rebuilds started at around the same year. However, one team is thriving, and the other is suffering.
This is a tale of two NBA rebuilds
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 - Introduction
0:00:55 - Setting The Tables
0:05:36 - Seattle Savior
0:13:40 - Pistons Plummet
0:17:45 - Trio In Oklahoma
0:31:35 - Thunderstruck Losses
0:39:05 - Reggie Playoff Piston
0:42:10 - Snake Eats The Apple
0:46:32 - Grueling Griffin Era
0:52:02 - Mister Thunder Strikes Out
1:00:52 - The Presti Genius Play
1:07:08 - Weaver Outclassed By Master
1:13:49 - League Changing Draft Luck
1:17:24 - The Unraveling
@dsbeats5657 2 ай бұрын
I swear to God, it feels like every single team has a formers spurs assistant like Popovich coaching trees is insane and even crazier that they have a GM tree 😂
@kidgotgame4516 2 ай бұрын
Bro's low-key trying to recreate the Spurs. You have their former shooting coach and then a HC that preaches ball movement/defense. Presti ain't slick 🤣
@Romanus- 2 ай бұрын
@@kidgotgame4516it’s the right move. Look how much the spurs won during Duncan’s years. Right organization to try and emulate
@razkable 2 ай бұрын
Pop was a gm too
@808bboarder Ай бұрын
@@kidgotgame4516Spurs front office is fucking trash. It takes winning the lottery for generational big men to save them. Think about this. Spurs last playoff appearance was before Covid existed while the Thunder were in the Bubble Playoffs. How tf are the Spurs still ass and won less games with Wemby 💀
@prajwalkrishnabhat5539 Ай бұрын
@@808bboarder bro look at their first round picks they got after kawhi left the spurs. They couldn't get a single top 10 pick until last year and this year, in which they picked jeremy Sohan and wemby(good player). Are you saying they should've gone the Brooklyn nets route and just bring stars from outside when you know it's failed more often than not? The spurs have always been that team that actually builds their talent through the draft and now that they got it, they'll be good again. You can't expect them to make playoffs when they couldn't draft a single good player. It's not their fault that all their draft picks turned out to be bad.
@Iso_SSB 2 ай бұрын
just bouta eat sum dinner, tooforwon posts, this really a two for one 😂😂
@emceegames2909 2 ай бұрын
Fye 😂
@AsianLing 2 ай бұрын
What bro have for dinner ?
@AK-46 2 ай бұрын
@@AsianLing🎉
@98ore 2 ай бұрын
same lol
@marknneal4095 2 ай бұрын
lol sames
@hunterking6033 2 ай бұрын
"If sports betting was around back then..." There weren't smart phones and it took a couple more steps, but there was betting in 2004.
@tooforwon241 2 ай бұрын
Yeah I know. I definitely messed up there 😅
@604eign Ай бұрын
I was gonna say they been betting on sports since like 1700’s 😂😂😂
@JammerAma Ай бұрын
@@604eignpeople would bet on the gladiators lol. People have been betting as long as there's been sport
@mr.minimalist3956 2 ай бұрын
Sam presti is a generational gm
@hooper4193 2 ай бұрын
those first 15 seconds was probably one of the greatest intros from a basketball documentary. The music choice was perfect. GG’s
@KazDM 2 ай бұрын
As a Supersonic myself, the pain in seeing our former team draft 3 hall of fame players in consecutive drafts was crushing. When the Sonics return OKC will have hell to pay.
@julianbell9161 2 ай бұрын
I feel like OKC is, in a weird way, is kind of cursed because of how they left Seattle. They created the next great NBA dynasty with KD, Russ, and Harden, and then they blew it by trading Harden. They are close, but they kept getting beaten by San Antonio and Golden State
@robertsmith9741 2 ай бұрын
It's still crazy to me that there are 17 year olds walking around that have never seen a Supersonics game.
@elburto5387 2 ай бұрын
You're Sonic?
@Yeen125 2 ай бұрын
@@julianbell9161Milwaukee Brewers (aka the Seattle Pilots): *First time?!*
@blanetamez532 2 ай бұрын
Or the sonics will become the Cleveland Browns of the NBA and be clowned on by the OKC like the Ravens have to the browns for 24 years… be careful what you wish for.
@mubinahmed2318 Ай бұрын
Missed one thing, That blake griffin trade had a 1st rounder used to draft Shai Gilgeous-Alexander lmfaooooo
@KB-qk1ic 13 күн бұрын
Because he wasn't really. Miles Bridges was the pick that went to Los Angeles. He traded on draft night to Charlotte for SGA
@senorprepotente Ай бұрын
As a Thunder fan that’s been through both, this video was so well done. Brought back great memories, great frustrations but really showed how great Presti is and how quick we got back into the discussion with one of the brightest futures I’ve ever seen.. to have 11 QUALITY players that can play and not kill the team is crazy and one of the best players in the organization still hasn’t cracked the lineup yet. With one potential lottery pick this season (3total) and another 3 next year while having cap because ALL our players are so young is truly amazing. Thank you for the blast from the past and the look into the future
@skysmith4221 Ай бұрын
As someone from OKC, it has been an awesome roller coaster to witness and be a part of. Great video man!! Now let's ball! #ThunderUp
@SpexMedia 2 ай бұрын
Hubby finally uploaded😍
@fbmbjaay7913 2 ай бұрын
ayo
@thelastjerkbender2505 2 ай бұрын
Oh shit. Are you two dating? Happy for both of you.
@Bmoreflow 2 ай бұрын
gay
@scottbernberg9046 2 ай бұрын
good to have you back. best long form content in the biz.
@zackgammo4333 Ай бұрын
Hate watching this as a pistons fan born in 04
@robertperkins4075 19 күн бұрын
exactly. our only chip in my life time. i was 3 months old haha
@gunzs 2 ай бұрын
As a pistons fan, this hurts to watch
@flyingsaucerfoundation2766 25 күн бұрын
Two words broke my soul watching this: Josh Smith
@XandieFireman 6 күн бұрын
Curse of the Malice at the Palace
@CJmidnightreactions Ай бұрын
The OKC and Memphis second round was legendary!
@Shabutie554 Ай бұрын
Those were some WARS.
@cond.oriano8211 2 ай бұрын
Really great to see your progress bro. Your videos have been getting better and better
@chronics23 2 ай бұрын
as a Thunder fan the first 3 quarters of this video were hard to watch knowing what was going to happen in the end, but the last quarter gives me so much hope that we can maybe pull this thing off!
@RamG0602 Ай бұрын
Love this video as a Thunder fan!! Great compilation and narration. One thing was that Billy D didn’t get fired. He chose to leave OKC and go to the Bulls because he didn’t want to be a part of the rebuild
@Shabutie554 Ай бұрын
Such a blessing. Marky D is the man
@robareleaning836 Ай бұрын
The difference is one is drafting with an eye for talent and a developmental plan and the other plans to build their team by luck in hopes of top 5 picks in hopes it plans out. They are not the same.
@frankpaparo4839 2 ай бұрын
wtf is the background noise
@dman1069 Ай бұрын
Porn music
@sosmooth13 2 ай бұрын
1:02:23 the idiot bringing up how many titles OKC ended up with when questioning Sam Presti’s leadership must’ve forgot OKC went through the all-time best teams and players for the past decade 😂craziest gauntlet for a young team. Grit and grind Grizzlies, Kobe, Dirk, Bron, Duncan, Ginobli, Kawahi is a crazy list of HoF players bro just ignored.
@plutobp7191 2 ай бұрын
Amazing video as usually
@goodluckchucknetwork1374 2 ай бұрын
Happy to see ya back
@hoodg3nius 2 ай бұрын
Another banger once again tooforwon ❤️❤️❤️
@heliion9052 2 ай бұрын
shortly in already nicely done as always
@Dpantes 6 күн бұрын
Great content here! Thanks for making this!
@jankuc331 2 ай бұрын
What a great vid fam that was a hell of a watch ❤
@LosCorruptos 2 ай бұрын
Cade: "we're not this bad" You're not Cade. The rest of your team, coach, gm, even owner. Yeah, they are
@piptaz04 2 ай бұрын
earned a sub. what a movie
@vinsanity3510 2 ай бұрын
Man I was worried you were gonna drop some of the most heat videos and then disappear but you’re back! I won’t doubt you again brother hahah
@1abe 2 ай бұрын
Tooforwon video love to see it
@Bossforthecause 2 ай бұрын
Ur the goat!!! Love these type of vids
@somregularguy 23 күн бұрын
If you time traveled to someone in 2012 after the finals and told them that in 2024 the OKC thunder not only are still looking to make their first finals since let alone win their first championship they would not believe you
@cameronboakye7036 2 ай бұрын
Perfect timing .. bout to smoke a spliff to this one 😁😁
@michaelahurt 2 ай бұрын
The Chauncey trade wasn’t the worst because ultimately the run had already ended by that point. The Blake trade was the worst because it actively set the franchise back. It was like selling your house to take a vacation. And not even a good vacation. Like renting an over priced loft in Ohio for two months and eating frozen pizza every night.
@CD-tk2oc 2 ай бұрын
WHile OKC has done a good job rebuilding I feel like this isn't a fair comparison. OKC had the assets to really accelerate it where detroit has been trash for a minute.
@sosmooth13 2 ай бұрын
I agree. Presti definitely has an eye for talent that can’t be denied though. Harden and Westbrook seemed like reaches by experts and Presti knew the fit and upside was more important. That bet turned into big time trades that they’ll reap for years. Meanwhile, Pistons had no fucking capital in the draft at all, because they broke the bank on sorry broken down players.
@Bob-te3le 2 ай бұрын
OK compare Pistons to Rockets. Rockets are on the rise and Pistons are still straight trash. It almost like the Pistons should've picked Jalen Green over Cade Cunningham for one.
@michaelahurt 2 ай бұрын
@@Bob-te3le One team signed veterans and one didn’t. Assuming Detroit goes and gets veterans this off season they too will improve. The big difference is Houston’s core guys aren’t primary ball handlers. I mean they had given the ball to Amen instead of FVV they have 10-15 wins too. Orlando would be the more apt comparison since they are at least doing it with young players. I think Detroit is the 18-19 Suns. They were trash for four years with Booker before they showed signs of life. Only guys like Luka and Bron can just run a team starting in year two
@michaelahurt 2 ай бұрын
@@sosmooth13 Harden definitely wasn’t a reach. He made by far the most sense among the available players. (Maybe Steph but no one was looking at Steph like that.) But 100% on everything else
@Nick_MyName 2 ай бұрын
u could also blame the pistons for tht tho they held on to old players for too long and never traded to get younger and wanted to "compete" by being a 5-8 seed for years like the pacers as a gm u gotta know when its time to actually restart if u want to actually compete and not be mediocre for a decade
@Djporkchowp Ай бұрын
Great doc keep em coming
@e1028 2 ай бұрын
Reviving all of this and seeing the starting 5 at 15:55 gives me nightmares. Thanks Tooforwon! Really tho this is a great video besides all the pain I feel as a pistons fan. Atleast I was alive to see 2004 I guess
@user-qq5uu2rz2h Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your great reporting! ❤
@Mudboy44 2 ай бұрын
Love the new style good video
@elburto5387 2 ай бұрын
Awesome video 241!
@Laidback_616 2 ай бұрын
NGL, as a Pistons supporter, I've looked at OkC with envious eyes a few times. Like how many times can yall break down a team and bounce back like Gumby lmao. I can only blame the team for picking Darko, and even that should be forgiven by now. Hayes over Haliburton still kills me, along with giving our coach an offer he couldn't refuse.It's just so many head scratching moments. I've always liked Okc. Hope you guys get one.
@rexisright 2 ай бұрын
Oiii the mic quality from the first sentence 🔥 as a watcher of all your vids, THANKGAWWWD
@calebfilms4044 28 күн бұрын
Bro you are mad talented fr. I respect the amount of time you put into this vid beats a lot of basketball documentaries out there. Great stuff man appreciate the content you make.
@Breezy_alee 2 ай бұрын
Bravo 👏🏽
@modtick 29 күн бұрын
As a Long time Thunder Fan. well as long as they have been here. There's a lot of old memories I have tied to story.
@HenryZhoupokemon 2 ай бұрын
When the Ford family bought the lions in 1964, they were a storied franchise, and turned the team into the laughingstock of the NFL, and is only now changing their culture Tom Gores bought the Pistons in 2011, which was also a historic franchise, and has basically run them to the ground. If you’re over the age of 30, you’re probably not gonna see another pistons chip in ur lifetime assuming Gores holds onto the team
@sosmooth13 2 ай бұрын
Someone has to have the type of love and eye for talent that the Holmes and Presti’s out there do along with draft capital. Lions had that capital and turned it around along with Presti in OKC. Detroit didn’t have any of that. Just money.
@VastContent 2 ай бұрын
I mean this in the best way possible but holy shit is this unlike any other of your videos, It is simply amazing
@neilsonsmith7214 Ай бұрын
Dirk was a killer that year, what a run
@j.k.kaisla1431 2 ай бұрын
I was thinking this morning why there`s only short ones from you. getting little annoyd. And there it is! Thanks. I know i`ll watch this again, bacause english is my second language and these are good.
@1abe 2 ай бұрын
The mic quality and music was amazing with this video, great improvements 🔥
@tooforwon241 2 ай бұрын
Thank God! I saw one comment that said otherwise, but I'm happy that you see improvements this time 🔥
@Shabutie554 Ай бұрын
Watching the old Westbrook playoff highlights makes me wonder why he abandoned that midrange jumper he was really good at. He’s never been a great shooter, but he could hit that regularly.
@moomoo1826 2 ай бұрын
chill with the sound effects nice video
@corradocampo 2 ай бұрын
Booted first round of my fantasy playoffs last night cuz my team was looking like a damn hospital and I ran out of waiver moves. This was nice to wake up to, thanks man
@sosmooth13 2 ай бұрын
As a Pistons fan, I already know everything there is to know about these guys. GM’s threw money and trades for out one championship and drafted absolutely horribly for the next decade. Then it continued all the way up until Cade. We had no draft capital after the leadership turnover and questionable decisions in recent years. It’s crazy how exactly 20 years since our last championship, we are the total opposite in terms of defense and winning.
@valleyranch_8973 Ай бұрын
Omg thank goodness this channel popped up on my feed
@bigjabba 2 ай бұрын
the goat is back
@Savagewayz42 16 күн бұрын
Good work on the video
@ricphilly4520 Ай бұрын
Went to sleep early and now I’m wide awake with 4 hours until work and I can’t go back to sleep! I see twoforwon done post a video finally! This video is so on point right now!✅💯
@LetttuceMan 27 күн бұрын
First time seeing your videos. Great storytelling
@veggietalefacts1541 Ай бұрын
The nba should be very thankful okc decided to not tank for wemby and Chet back to back years
@Ekenei 2 ай бұрын
Welcome back buddy
@ajanthanthevarajah5529 Ай бұрын
Good work
@yesnomaybe1220 Ай бұрын
Good topic!
@lukesomers3798 Ай бұрын
Why is this nightmare fuel
@DSPHistoricalSociety 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant research
@garretttank1711 Ай бұрын
And now OKC is the 1st seed in the West trying to make a WCF appearance
@FatalEther12 2 ай бұрын
I hate this team so much... idc about anyone on this roster except Duren. We have good players but none of them fit with the other. Eternal Damnation to Tom Gores we have been the worst team in the league since he bought the team in 2011.
@sosmooth13 2 ай бұрын
Duren, Ivey and Cade all have potential. Ausar has A LOT to be desired offensively, but his defense is already all-star worthy. They’re our corner stones. Since the Pistons have not draft picks, the only hope is to build through the draft and trade a player with some value like a Stewart.
@notatrollll 2 ай бұрын
Ah dont be so hard on cade. He still has potential
@Shabutie554 Ай бұрын
Love my Thunder. We are so fortunate to have Sam Presti.
@adg5311 2 ай бұрын
Great video THUNDER UP
@TK-qd5xw 2 ай бұрын
Here is an insane fact about OKC screwing with the Supersonics before they even existed. Seattle Supersonics were named after the Boeing 2707, which was supposed to be the first supersonic passanger airplane. The plane never entered service as the problems of supersonic passanger flight were realized in operation bongo II also known as the "Oklahoma City sonic boom tetsts". Test done in Oaklahoma City destroyed the thing that the sonics were named after and then almost 50 years later the same city stole the team.
@808bboarder Ай бұрын
Take the foil off your windows and go outside. One city didn’t want to fund a new arena for their team and the other just voted on it.
@TK-qd5xw Ай бұрын
@@808bboarder what are you talking about? I didn't incinuate anything I just pointed out a wild coinsidence. You can just look up the origins of the Seattle Supersonics from any offical NBA or Sonics source and bongo II from any offical US source. There is no conspiracy and bongo II and the fact that the Sonics moved have nothing to do with each other and nothing in what i wrote says that there is.
@mhar2812 27 күн бұрын
Solid okc fan here since moving seattle to okc in 2008..
@geezushasrisen Ай бұрын
Seeing KD’s smile when Jeff got drafted with him makes me smile. Im from the same hood; seeing some DMV representation makes me happy.
@TrinzySpencer 2 ай бұрын
very happy to see you back love the content!!
@ddevineisofine 2 ай бұрын
This was also a good reminder of how stupid good dirk was, he was unstoppable
@BlackMetalPidgeon666 2 ай бұрын
New vid yaaaaay
@Hyside14 Ай бұрын
you should make a video about the orlando magic rebuild, its feels like theyve been rebuilding for 20 years and finally showing promise now
@MrIgnaxius 2 ай бұрын
Hard to believe the Pistons won the title 20 years ago (they were my favorite team growing up and Big Ben was my favorite player) and the then-sonics are stucked in mediocrity back in Seattle. How the mighty have fallen and the tables have turned.
@ihashup 27 күн бұрын
My mental health this year as a Pistons fans this last decade + has suffered severely. I am not I will ever be the same again.
@manzac112 2 ай бұрын
This was probably your best video hands down.
@offthetrail636 Ай бұрын
42 minutes in and I guarantee I finish this. Good doc
@Oblikf 2 ай бұрын
Best time to be a Thunder fan, worst time to be a Pistons fan.
@jfrank1013 2 ай бұрын
Preciate u fam✊🏽
@SixerIverson04 26 күн бұрын
A little correcto, Billy Donovan did not get fired. His contract expired and did not want to accept the extension that OKC offered him
@ThreeBZ 2 ай бұрын
Remember when I was in these comments a couple years ago repping sga for King 👑..I've been on that since he was at Kentucky..feels good to be right every once and awhile lol
@blanetamez532 2 ай бұрын
Great job man you never fail to entertain!
@chukwuee 2 ай бұрын
Missed you bro, thanks for dropping
@MrImabowss 2 ай бұрын
Tbh we gotta appreciate the fact that Sam Presti had two superstars to trade and start their rebuild. This doesn't really happen that often. The way Sam Presti navigated the domino effect from those two trades was truly masterful.
@erfquake8415 2 ай бұрын
Gone gone thank you at the beginning🤩🤩🤩
@JW-1089 2 ай бұрын
Great video brother, I really enjoyed watching and keep it going.
@lorenzocordero6780 2 ай бұрын
Why’s there owl noises around 5 mins 😂
@WOYGx1010 2 ай бұрын
Aye I know you put a lot of work in on these videos and I have to salute you for it
@KristianParayno Ай бұрын
ironically Sam Presti never won GM/Executive of the year
@3rdaaa 2 ай бұрын
Sam Presti farming ability needs to be studied. Excited to see both teams in the future, how each team can maximize their players
@wookieecookie13 2 ай бұрын
Just watched the Kyrie and Ben Simmons ones again, perfect timing for another dope video
@mollyanderson657 2 ай бұрын
SGA gives me KD flashbacks
@ThunderChels Ай бұрын
🔥🔥
@DSPHistoricalSociety 2 ай бұрын
Oof AS a Bucks fan this hurt hard
@wholelottareese5268 2 ай бұрын
my glorious king uploaded 😅
@alexandrebeik6314 2 ай бұрын
Brother just to start off and get this outta the way you make the best basketball vids on KZfaq imo. What you could still improve are 2 things - consistency of uploading and for this video specifically there were parts in the beginning that were way to low on brightness to see what was happening. Besides those minor things you're Killin it. Been with you from early. Respect sent from Toronto
@TheKing60210 Ай бұрын
Hey man. Just wanna say, this is great editing and I really enjoyed this. Im a Wolves fan and I really respect the Thunder. SGA and Company really deserve their flowers for the rebuild
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