Aramis it's basically impossible once you've done what you've done. You can't forgive yourself for those kinds of things. There's nothing that would ever make him forgive himself for letting his daughter die over the island, as well as him strangling Locke to death and killing Jacob

Aramis I think thats what he meant when he said he had some things to work on.

Strange how the murderer does not even dare to speak first, ashamed of what he did. It was up to the victim to take the initiative. Because of this, Locke was really special. And Ben was not.

Yes we should forgive those who strangle us to death. 🤣

@@johnnybravo8129 disagree

Imagine living so long with all your (our ) accumulated regrets and guilt.

The scenes where Ben thought he was being overlooked again when Jack asked for a cup, he gave his water bottle; and then when Hugo asked Ben to be his assistant.

And most important more of how he had his daughter killed. I think that was more painful than killing Locke. That’s why he cannot move on.

When Mib said to Ben what were the last thoughts Locke had before he killed him you could see in Ben eyes that he felt remorse

There have been a few close calls, and believe me there have been a few, but nothing grabbed a hold of me the way LOST did.

Deep Space Nine says hello.

Breaking Bad does a good job too

It is both a gift and a curse

@@jasongoldman5674 Monk

I wonder how old Ben is here. Also you can tell Hurley has matured at the end when he was introducing Sayid and Shannon back together Hurley displayed a certain zen quality.

@@taylorrussell3158 *Exactly! A lot - more than a lot - then to not realise his Jacob-esque quality more so when he interacts with Charlie, too ~*

Also ben became a pretty good advisor given how he told john he could walk. He changed.

@@marocat4749 I suspect he took on the role of island historian/teacher as well, just as he was represented in the flash sideways. If you think about it, after the events of season 6 he's one of the only surviving people with a first-hand account to everything that took place there from Dharma times to the present.

In the very last episode "Lost Epilog-New Man In Charge" Ben goes around closing all the Dharma warehouses, and (along with Hugo) rescues Walt from a mental hospital, I'm wondering if all that from the Epilog happened before or after what we are seeing here.

Damn. Never looked at it from the view....

Barry Buzz Lightyear we're all lost until we are fully realized ⚡️

True

Eh. Jacob was a pretentious, petty jerk with no regard for human life. He was happy to use people like pawns just to prove a point to his brother. He allowed so many innocent people to die just because he had to be so vague and obtuse about everything.

@@PaulH0824 Petty? He was basically safeguarding all of humanity. The stakes were anything but petty.

facts

Ben's character arc was extremely well done.

I loved the ending, but in Ben's case it makes no sense. Wouldn't he be allowed inside because he eventually would've worked things out?

@@Electricsheep86 He had hurt too many people to be allowed there. He was not part of the group. He still had his own afterlife though, with Danielle and Alex.

screw ben dudes going to hell

I think Ben is waiting for Danielle and Alex.

1080p on YT became available just half a year prior to this upload. The format itself wasn't new, though.

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They should do a spin off.

SPINOFF MAKE IT HAPPEN JJ

“LOST: The Adventures of Ben and Hugo”

Probably Ben manipulating Hugo for like 20 years

@@yamnayaseed356 im sure it started that way for a bit, but judging by this scene they clearly respect each other. and i feel it was not just 20, jacob was protector for at least 1800 so hurly could go probably 100, 150 at least.

No harm done Ben , my life was shit anyway , thanks for killing me bud'

Actually it is because Locke is bead and he doesn't need a chair anymore.

@@kdydm69000 cuz he realizes everyone dies, but there is a life afterwards.

Yes, and the Irony is that, in that moment just like Locke ben doesn't need to be in that "chair" either as in if Ben just accepts it, and allows himself to Ben can get up and walk in the church also... Kinda irks me, that neither offered slightly more encouragement to Ben in the moment...

Ues

***** I like Sawyer too.

Sergi sawyer

Agreed

Two of the best tv characters ever

He was the only one from Oceanic Six who believed in the power of island and that he had a purpose there. And yet, ironically, he ended up murdered by Ben...We look perfection and life purpose our entire life, and in the end we receive nothing...death comes when you're not expecting😢 Locke was the most powerful of them all, that's why MiB had chosen him, to break him, just like Joker chose Harvey Dent to destroy.

@Sugar Daddy nicely put! ✨

Yep!

What a wonderful comment

What a daft comment. You don't need to be any of those things to identify with a character. It's like saying I need to be Korean to identify with Sun. Or a Sayan with crazy hair and a love for martial arts to identify with Goku. John was a great character, as there were many in LOST. It was your favorite character, fine, but no, it wasn't because of that bs. It was because it was well written. Period.

@@ShaferHart goofy ass comment. Its easier to identify with people that are of your background and obviously people resonate with John despite not being american or shit because its not about nationality but about your day job and what you are as a person and so on so forth, dont be ridiculous

He also wanted to give his daughter the life she never had. That's probably how he forgave himself. His story is one of the best.

Richard Strong exactly. That's why getting sent to hell and being in hell is a paradox. The only way to get out is to accept what you've done and to know you don't deserve punishment. The paradox is A person who doesn't regret what they've done would never get out and the person that realizes what they've done would never feel like they don't deserve to be punished

I gey it knownice explanation

I get that , for sure , being punished now with my life and this girlfriend at my age of 51 , never been this sad , pissed off and lonely ever before

@@FastFordClub damn why what's going on?

***** Yea. He's done a lot of fucked up shit. Still felt bad for him in the end.

He was a masterfully crafted character. Went from a bit part to arguably the most popular character on the entire show. Such a complicated mess of a man, he did horrible things but he was always written in a way that he was never irredeemable - you always managed to root for him.

Yeah but he was in a lot of pain over the loss of his own daughter in that moment. You can see it in his voice, the anger, the thirst for vengeance. He wanted Charles to lose what he had. The key to that scene is the appearance of Penny's son Charlie which causes Ben's love of children to come to the forefront and momentarily kills his anger until Desmond gets to him

Nah look at all the bad shit he did. He killed locke! He don't deserve to go.

Not me. I’m glad he evolved but he was right to stay behind.

Flawd no

Justin Y. in my boot? Wot do u mean no.

@@DG-um3xi It means in this case symbolism/hidden meanings is just an out for not having an explanation, there are no hidden meanings because there never were any meanings. Let's make it ambiguous and symbolic so people can make their own interpretation (Translation: We have no interpretation)

"The writers did a superb job" -- OMG, you're an idiot the writers were totally making this up week to week they had no fucking idea what they were doing or where they were headed

first name ignorance

We'll find out soon......God Bless

Not heaven, but the place we meet and then all go together.

This is the purgatory, every soul go there, real Christian and people who didn't hurt anyone and believed in true love will stay there just to meet true friends, the exception here is Ben who betrayed anyone for his purpose to control people. He say "for a while" but it's a secret of the here after how long will be there... If you see Michael who shoots Ana Lucia and Libby isn't there AT ALL... Don't need any imagination where he went, sadly for him. Can God bless everyone, he loves each one of you. ❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️

@@roninroma There's an epilogue clip to the series that addresses Michael's situation, Hurley's in charge of the island and knows Michael is stuck there, and Hurley cares and does something about it.

@@roninroma Michael stayed on the Island as a whisperer ghost.

Well that and the fact that Christian literally tells that to Jack lmao

@@DarknessIsThePath That Christian dialogue really makes me think the writers added it for clarity sake. The lines are right to the point and direct. "Yeah, I’m real. You’re real. Everything that’s ever happened to you is real. All those people in the church, they’re all real too" and later "Everyone dies sometime, kiddo. Some of them before you, some long after you" It's literally spoon fed to the audience, to clear up any lingering questions. Yet some people think the whole show is purgatory.

@@JoeMitchell868 Anyone who didn't get it is just people who paid minimal attention, and then people who heard about it from them and then spread the lie like a game of telephone

@@bajscastTrue, it was spelled out clearly in the finale, but what I think really confused people was the b-roll footage of the plane wreckage on the beach during the final credits of the original airing. They just had some footage of the wreckage they shot before they had to remove it from the beach, and they thought by showing it, it would be a good way for viewers to “catch their breath” before the next program began. Unfortunately, because there were no cast members in the footage, many people took that to be the final “clue” that no one survived the crash. Not hard to see how people were confused. Personally, the fact that there were no dead bodies strewn across the beach (and if you look closely you can see the tarp from Jack’s original medical tent flapping in the breeze) in the footage negates that whole theory.

1.Ben 2.Jack (because I love him, his acting) 3.Locke 4.Desmond 5.Hugo.. but i;m a lostie so i still agree with your list

1. Locke 2. Richard 3. Jacob 4. Samuel 5. Jack

Jared I would put Jin #1 on the last. What a background story with differing social class and Sun unable get pregnant and her own drama.

Woah! My list is exactly the same with yours. Wasn't expecting that.

1.John 2. Jack 3. Desmond 4. Hurly 5. Charlie

It’s a fantastic and amazing way to say farewell to the two best and most interesting characters on lost, and yes I love the other characters a lot too, but man this scene and Ben and Locke.

Very much agree

Let the idiots disagree..it was great!

OMG, you're an idiot

Totally agree. Best ending in TV history.

can u explain to me the story in a few words and the ending? i wanna start it but idk

It's pretty good, but it sure ain't better than the Twin Peaks Finale

Nah not the dharma initiative, that would suck. Maybe if we didn't know everything that happened to them but nah. Because we already know that they all died and how it happened and pretty much everything about them. But Hurley and Ben being the protectors would be amazing. You can tell they become pretty good friends when Hurley said to him "you were a good number 2"

I feel like there's more about the DA that I'm still curious about, but yess Hurley and Ben running the island would be a great spin off

The Walt actor is at the age where they could do something like this would be really cool to see.

Omg, it’d have to be Hurley, Walt and Ben just havin fun fixin up the island, very sitcom-esque, no heavy drama - just those clowns goofin off :) I’d fucking watch the shit out of that.

I just finished the series recently and am still kinda sorting everything out but I feel like for all we know Ben and Hugo spent decades on that island as 1 and 2. And who knows how many more people came through the island in that time. Point is, I'd love to know more about their time there and who replaced them.

I wonder how long they lived for because with Ben Linus as his advisor he probably made him immortal too until they found new people to watch over the island. I love the look on his face when he greets Hurley you can tell they were friends for a really long time.

IKR the way he says Hurley.

em. 😂😂😭😭😭😭

Show is just genius.

Holy shit I didn't even grasp that. The idea that teacher Ben became enlightened in this alternate life and aware of his previous life as Island Ben. And that he now had an entirely different outlook on Alex and Rousseau. So much to sift through with this show.

My thinking is Ben is hanging back to help Alex remember, and perhaps is seeking her forgiveness.

shadowofthestatue I don't want to taint your sentiment, I think your comment is poignant. That said, I've always thought that God would be much more merciful to me that I would ever be to myself. That's my understanding of the Judgement anyway... it's not going to be a big scary throned old man sending everyone to the lava pits, it's going to be a kindly Father who can officially tell you your mistakes and bad choices have been forgiven and you can come home now.

God isn't an egotistical overLord because if He was none of us would exist.

Bad as in it sucked or as they were fighting

@@nicempie3178 Bad as in sucked. I don’t think there are any

The interaction between Ben and Locke is what makes 3x20, The Main Behind The Curtain, one of my favorite series episodes.

Kathy Horton I’m currently rewatching, in season 3 now on Amazon! Best show ever made in my opinion, would have been very hard to watch pre ‘binge watch’ age though!!

Truly the greatest show of all time.

KRiSTi ! best ben scene :)

I always hated Ben, he was indeed selfish and jealous of someone because of the little he had. He was a very good character, but not one I'd love, except when he repents at the end. Even there, he does not dare to talk first to Locke.

@@En_theo I hated him, but only for a season or two

And plus ben tries to protect him in the Flash sideways

You need to find another series then.

They cut a few scenes out for some reason. God bless KZfaq

@@RandomHero_85 I've just binged watched the whole of Lost on Prime after years of the final but always remember that scene, but was cut. Thought I was remembering it wrong. Locke and Ben scene but not the Hurley and Ben scene. Thanks to aadriens , I now know I'm not crazy. But why cut that scene? Its a key part of the closing those characters and hints what happened to them.

They were all in a kind of purgatory

Not all of them should go to heaven. I mean Said was a cold blood killer and John killed a lot of people. He threw a knife into a woman back and she was only trying to help them. Some of the should go to hell.

abby Sand They all made mistakes but atoned for them. That's the point, finding a new meaning and being enlightened.

Alanmarine1 I do not recall them atoning for anything. At least Ben atoned by working with Harley. You can see how much he changed in the sideways flash episode of Lost. For example he could have become Headmaster at the cost of his daughter (at least he did not know that at the time) going to college or he could step down and his daughter would get a glowing recommendation to any college. He chose the latter. A choice he would never have made in the past. After all did he not let his daughter died. Now John, Said, Sawyer, Claire, Charlie never atoned for their past murderous indiscretions. Said went on to murder a lot of people, John died before he could make up for his actions like killing that innocent girl and Sawyer never atoned for killing an innocent man in the alley way not to mention the consequences of cheating innocent people out of their money guaranteed he did hear his father murder his mother. How many innocent kids grew up to become just another Sawyer. What about killing John’s father in cold blood. Claire killed a man in cold blood with an axe because she believed he took her baby and Charlie murder a defenceless man in cold blood guaranteed he did hang by the neck earlier. Are you telling these people should go to to heaven….

Charity Diary I agree with some of thing you mentioned but I like to interject one thing Ben change began when he starting working with Hurley at the end of season 6. By the time he reach purgatory he was already a changed man. Although it was never shown until 2010 when a small clip was released showing him working with Hurley. A thing he would never would have done in the past. Recall the shadow monster read his mind and realized that he wanted to kill John (although not really John) and become leader again. In that clip he apologised for kidnapping Michael's son. The son forgave him and all three of them head back to the island that is Hurley, Ben and Michael's son. And finally the other's never atoned for their crime they should not be moving on. I think they are moving on to hell. The bad ones.

100%

As Charlie would say~spOt oN!

He was never bad, he was just mislead sadly

I mean, he still killed good, innocent people, for less than reasonable motives. He murdered John Locke out of pure jealousy, as he admitted in this scene.

In terms of degrees of badness, Ben is definitely on the scale. Keamy killed anyone just to achieve his objective and was ruthless in doing so. Ben is closer to Keamy in that regard. Sayid killed out of misguided allegiances to some vague ideals. Ben killed Locke out of envy and spite. Sawyer killed out of anger at least 3x--the shrimp truck guy, Locke's bio-dad, and Tom Friendly.

Unless he was protecting Hurley from danger.

I totally agree

My all time favorite TV show. ❤

Yeah, it wasn't perfect... I have some minor issues with it.... but I do feel it was quite apropos as a finale for Lost... Certainly didn't feel it was a let down!