The crossover nobody expected

Perfect example of 2 folks who have some different points of view on some things showing how they agree on the VAST MAJORITY of points...not to mention displaying mutual respect.

For some reason, this became outright amazing when Mike realised he was allowed to swear.

"You are trying to become a dangerous, wild animal. You are trying to become an inconvenience to people. People don't want you to be strong." Loved this quote.

As a fellow teacher I attended one of our high school's strength training sessions during a backsquat day. Technique, load, and volume were all dialed in to where the athletes were clearly pushing their limits. They had an undefeated football season and in late winter also took first place in our state's "Strongest Team" power lifting competition. I'm convinced the two accomplishments are related. Coach is an accomplished lineman who's been lifting for a long long time. Great teacher and skilled at being fully human.

Would love that hypertrophy conversation between the two of you. Please make that happen.

As a KZfaq viewer, I have now watched this video.

I think this should be a series on the podcast. We can call it intense stares and aggressive blinking.

Rip is so addicted to the sound of his own voice and interrupting people, he almost looks panicked when someone else is speaking. By the way, love Rip.

Two of my favorite sources for info, together at last. $20 says Dr. Mike is wearing crocs right now.

"if everything you know is on paper, you don't know anything" - Rip

Y'all need to have a two hour conversation, but structured, versus just talking smack about the sad state of affairs in sports. Enjoyed the episode, but still, offering feedback for the second round.

this was good. get mike on the show more often

Thank you both for the podcast! Can't wait for part 2 and beyond. I started lifting in high school with Rip and 70s Big as my guides, and I've been following Mike for a few years now with RP dieting and his training philosophies. Glad to see these worlds collide

Another great episode. Thanks for never selling out, Rip.

Really enjoyed this, I've learnt so much from both of you guys. From starting to lift again, after 20 years of being in "Office Space" territory, you've both been an inspiration and education. Thanks. 💪

So many great parallels to what I’ve seen myself. Dr. Israetel was spot on with his examples and views of the industry. This was a great discussion to have been had.

If possible, I’d love to see an interview with Dr. Mike Israetel again with a Q&A format where both give insights with their own experience.

One of my favorite parts around 49 minutes, the volleyball 'slap' going to a BOOM and "I don't want to get hit by that!" that right there is the voice of successful coaching. 🏋️ Loved watching these two guys talk, real gift, *thanks* SS

2020 is truly a twilight zone of a year...

Very cool to see Dr Israetel on here. I wasn't surprised to hear them agree this much but I am surprised Rip didn't interrupt him more. Pleasantly surprised.

Absolutely fantastic discussion!

Most excited video ever for me..Rip with Mike..dream came true

I'm so stoked that this is happening!

Looking forward to the next installment.

Two of my favorites in the fitness world!

I really enjoyed that. Shortest hour long talk show I've heard in a while. Sad that it wasnt longer

Hi Rip, I'm a big fan and I appreciate your work. I like when you have guests on your show. Please ask more questions and give your guests a little bit more space to speak and express their views :) After watching this episode I have to say it is getting better in comparison to previous episodes. Keep up the good work!

I really did love this thank you both.

Enjoyed the episode, a second round would be great!!

Love the discussion about academia. Generally, in academia you learn the concepts to be able to understand why things work the way they do. However, you don't really learn how things work. This is what you learn in the real world. Someone with a lot of experience just learns how things work first and foremost. I think once you are there, academic insights can really help guide you in the real world, but the other way around is typically bound to fail. Had the same in my engineering career...

this is a great commentary on university becoming more and more obsolete...

All hail Dr.Mike! Full rom gang checking in

cant believe i overlooked this one, great episode

This brings Dr. Mike one step closer to being on JRE

Get Eric Bugenhagen on the podcast. That’d be a great episode

At Ohio State Women’s rowing, we learned to back squat, military press, and bicep curl. Those were the only lifts we were allowed to do. I’m sure it’s different now, but looking back I wonder how much better we would have been if we had powerlifted more. And had a nutrition coach.

Good to see Dr. Mike behaved well.

yes!, more please

I was hoping they would actually talk programming 😩

I've tried it and this video is so true I'm telling you guys I tried it and my deadlift is considered weak do a lot of heavy lifters I'm maxed out at 405 and CNS fatigue that you get from that the fatigue you get from litsey cycling or running or lifting lightweights 4 sets of 25 or whatever you're doing. The amount of time it takes to recover has to take into effect I'm just thankful that I can get back to running doing whatever else that I'm used to doing.

my kinesiology undergrad made us learn lifts! i didnt graduate able to coach well though and it took a lot of learning on my own time before i felt comfortable training average people

Starr also wrote about strength coaches not trying to get athletes stronger anymore due to the fear injury, which isn't very statically very high anyway. Dr. Mike Israetel is one the very few individuals who graduated from university in regards to training who is worth listing too.

Great conversation. Felt like they were just starting to get into the juicy stuff before it ended. Would love to see a disagreement between these two.

This is gold.

Just found this, but I need to get some popcorn before I watch.

Nice intro Rip ... Great show 👍

the most important podcast on the internet

I’d love to hear a hypertrophy discussion between the two of you guys.

12:20 reminds me of how I asked a (young) physical therapist to judge my deadlift technique when I just started lifting. I had been deadlifting for about a month using youtube videos as my source for learning the technique. When I showed the physical therapist my deadlift (using 10 pound dumbbells as they had no barbell), she told me my shins were too far forward. In fact, she told me my shins should be vertical. So she essentially tought me how to do a SLDL. As clueless as I was, I took her advice seriously and the next time I went into the gym to apply what I had learned, I worked my way up to 200 pounds using the vertical shin technique and subsequently tore a muscle on the side of my 'core'. Took me well over a month to recover while enduring the most agonizing pain whenever I sneezed during the first couple of weeks of recovery.

That's me... great coach always had it tough.

When can we look forward to the Aassgard Tiktok channel?

This is either gonna be amazing or a cringe fest.. cant wait to find out which

This is the greatest crossover that the world doesn’t know about

Can’t wait for round two

My two heros

24:08 I also think that's true. That's why I don't like to judge people on their looks/performance but rather their knowledge and its practical application.

Please do a part 2 of this about "HYPERTROPHY" training like you hinted at the end of this video!

Halfway through and wishing there’s a part 2

This guy looks like he’d tell a puppy to get a job

Two great minds discuss training for athletic pursuits. Awesome. If you two didn't have more convo's that I can find I hope you will.

What's the book that rip mentioned near the beginning on physiology?

This is an awesome video with tons of great insights into the faults of athletic training programs and them not utilizing the full potential. I think the reality is that not many people (unfortunately) have actually maximized their strength potential on the big lifts because it is really hard and requires dedication and consistency over large periods of time. You can instead just do drills and play your sport because they are more fun. Of course the athletes don't get bigger and stronger. Only hardcore psychos want to get bigger and stronger. Also when it comes to a football team, a lot of athletes enjoy the playing of the game, not the hardcore disciplined eating, sleeping, and training that comes with strength training. So they are likely to slip on their consistent eating. So when the team trainer asks them to increase their squat another 5lbs today and they haven't eaten properly and are physically weaker as a result, they could increase the risk of injury. So they have to dumb things down to accommodate the lack of seriousness and consistency in the athletes. I come from a elite level downhill mountain bike racing background. The off season strength training for these athletes is a joke. The eating is a joke. So the go relatively nowhere in terms of strength. If they got insanely strong and put on another 20-30lbs of muscle mass, they would destroy their competition, crash less, get injured less, and be more mentally strong. I wish I knew what I know now about strength training so that I could have applied it when I was younger and racing at a high level. It would have improved every aspect of my performance from mental to physical.

Would like to see Mike back.

Wow this really ended way too fast,,, can't wait for the next discussion

I was expecting a contentious debate, but they obviously respect each others’ individual specialties.

Rip, you should invite Joel Seedman on your podcast to talk about his Eccentric Isometrics and 90° squats

Epic crossovers

That was great

Counter point. If your star player decides they aren't gonna take the strength program seriously there isn't a whole lot you can do about it.

Born is thy King of Israetel

What the hell happened at 39:03? A bit of a disagreement from Dr. Israetel so it's cut out?

Great guest....one old legend, and a new one in the making.

good team up

Totally agree with what they said about people with degree. I used to lift in a university’s gym. Those “trainers” who are master/PhD students in physiology are absolutely useless. None of them even noticed my balance issues until I went to a sport physiotherapist. I’m not against formal education. In fact I hold a PhD in computer science. But I learned so, so much more from hands-on experiences the first year in my real job. It can’t be just working in well-controlled benchmark datasets. It has to deal with all types of real scenarios. Engineering degrees in my opinion have to be offered with certain years of industry experience as a prerequisite.

I think I understand Mark’s point regarding exercise science degrees, but it was Interesting how Dr Mike was confused/skeptical when Mark claimed exercise science degrees are not actually “science”.. lol might provide a little insight as to how he might be too set in his ways- around @14:05

Dr Mike is enhanced

I would love to hear opinions on programming

But what do you think about heavy sets of FAHHVE?

“Can I swear on here? …I hope you do.” -Rip. 🤣

53:15 , it's Israetel.

OMG my worlds are colliding 🌍 💥🤯

Holy shit!!!

Mike is a Huge Hex Bar Deadlift proponent. He believes in this bar big time. But remember Mike trains real athletes and knows the significance of the Hex Bar Deadlift

this is great but Rip interuppting is insane

Don’t tell Rip but Dr Mike uses dumbbells and machines as well as barbells 😀

I think the same thing about personal trainers who look out of shape or who you suspect have never put much time in working out but at the same time, has Bill Belichick ever played football?

I was just thinking man I wish they would talk. Today user that they already did three years ago!

Mike had a whole debate with Greg Doucette about avoiding progressive overload so frequently so as to let the body recover. Where do I see him now ? On the 5 lbs every workout podcast :D

If I went for a Phys Ed degree and they asked “Why do you wish to enroll here.” My response would be. “I want to take a whole bunch of regular people and make them harder to kill. So I figured knowing how the body works could help with that.” I wonder what their response would be.

while this is all generally correct, some of the s and c coaches at my school were into powerlifting and i remember a few of our football players being very strong

Fahves on a frahdaae

I have a question that i hope Rip or someone can answer then please. If you are saying you cannot make someone more explosive, adding in 200lbs to a squat and deadlift wont make then more explosive, and that you cannot turn their 22 inch vertical into anything more than a strong 22 inch vertical. Are you saying people cannot train and then get better numbers on that vertical? Because im sure ive seen people manage to add plenty of inches to their jump. Im not sure i understand Rips definition of explosive if this is the case.

Holy fuck I didnt not see this one coming!

These two discussing programming for anyone that's not a beginner will be hilarious.

Wow wow wow

hi rip iv been trying to get onto the forums but cant get the security question to work iv downloaded your app but im a little confused what weights i should be starting with ? iv done the first week of it but the weights felt very light so i pushed myself to see what i can do my 1 rep maxes are bench=75KG this was very hard for me deadlift=135kg i think i can do more but i have no more weights i haven't been able to do a squat yet because iv been cycling pretty hard and it hurts my thighs to even do one but i plan to cut the bike out this month could you or someone give me some help to get onto the forum im completely new to weight training

anybody has that brooks and fahey book? asking for a friend 👀

Oh boy oh boy

It’s like an officer fresh out of West Point becoming a Plt leader and never been in combat lol