Acc: 10€ iRacing: a Kidney

Thats the thing, in ACC, all you really have is the modern GT3 cars so its not an issue

iRacing also requires a second mortgage. . .

Well acc is only gt3 so that s normal behaviour

ACC is a product. iRacing is a service.

The acc model also allows you to tune how much brake pressure you use. Meaning 100% input isnt 100% braking.

Well ACC is almost an exclusive GT3 Sim so it is understandable.

Ok you’re not going to touch on slip physics? The most game breaking part of iRscing and one of the things that makes ACC so great? The fact one reacts as a real car would and the other turns into an ice simulator

my irl track car def prefers to brake like you do in iracing. I have a pretty aggressive brake pad that actually engages the abs if I were to brake to 100% pressure

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Not according with that. Acc wants you to brake at 100% but if you're playing it realistically, you will always lock up your wheels when braking in acc. And, you are more efficient in acc braking like in I racing.

This is super important, and I struggled in places until I understood it. Obvy I watched onboards and saw the pedal work, but until I understood this from spending time in iRacing (mostly W12/W13) and watched dev blogs and read ACC documents, eracers, I struggled MIGHTILY in places like Hungaro. so THANK YOU for spreading the word,

I know this isn't a tutorial but this helps so much. I break on some corners at 100% playing Assetto and I got a good handle on the car but I lose speed, glad to know I just need to mess around with the brakes a little

So does that mean that the ABS system for ACC GT3 Cars is more realistic than in Iracing GT3 Cars?

I personally enjoy IRacing. It’s the best simulator in my opinon and if you have a job then I have no complaints about it. It shouldn’t spark a argument between sim racers globally. I don’t understand why can’t we just all enjoy our sims and get on with life. 😂😭

Someone needs to show gt7 creator about balancing with weight transfer.

And also a kidney for iracing 😂😂

If you turn off ABS or have low settings in ACC and break 100% into a corner you won’t be fast. Another big difference is the tyre model..

Thank YOU! That's exactly what I noticed right away when ACC was released years back. Now ACC is the only sim I take seriously and spent most of my simracing hours.

I can't really brake 100% in ACC, I feel like when the ABS engages the car just doesn't slow down as quickly, so I end up carrying a lot of speed at turn entry, understeering and losing the apex.

Having gone from ACC to a Ferrari challenge, my driving style and adaptation were fine IRL. I do think that knowing about threshold braking rounds out any issues the sim doesn’t cover though.

iracing is superior in most levels, but ACC has it's gems. Even RaceRoom kills it with their shifts (you feel it in the wheel)

VERY good points except that if you want to get better ar driving... you SHOULD try to brake hard without ABS now and then, and especially with different vehicle configurations

This is whats definitely making me slow in iracing, with most of my hours in ACC. Im not used to the not 100% breaking. Causing me to look up,starting out, and now just overall slower now that im getting used to it.

Acc is also a game based on said gt3 cars with amazing abs systems

It makes sense cause ACC got GT3's. Iracing I love too but that monthly sub kinda annoyed me. Not forgetting that you have to buy the tracks and cars you want.

Its almost like ACC is simulating a modern gr3 😮

Assetto should really come out with a free roam map that you can drive any car on while also having their racing sim mode, it’s a little hassle having to download all these mods, but I mean it’s still fun

Yes and No. With the most recent Tiremodel in ACC it is more effective to not go 100% on the Brakes. It's still a viable way to decellerate, but it is now slower and punishing on the Tires to go 100% on the Brakes.

Try braking like you would do in a GT3 but do it in a BMW M2 CS in ACC. And you will find out that the braking is different depending on what car type you are driving.

Hey Man, i really enjoy ur content, may u give us a bit of tips for the upcoming nordschleife 24 hours to get a better laptime Cheers

I love your videos and have learned and watched a lot, but when I play Assetto Corsa the wheels lock up very easily if you do 100%. Is it because I’m not doing competicione? I have had to learn trail breaking and brake pressure especially in the Tattus because it will lock up like expected.

Good comparison

I always drive with tc and abs turned off anyway. Sure abs will allow you to 100% brake without lockup but its slower than just braking at the correct threshold. Abs also makes it difficult to learn what that threshold is.

acc : 15$ iRacing : your whole life savings

Considering ACC focuses on GT3 racing it’s really accurate

I've never braked 100% and held it going through any corner, ACC will NOT allow you to do what you have said.

Suellio, I tried to outbreak someone off the straight in MX5 this week Virginia North turn 1. I had to purchase some stopping power by downshiftiwoth my breaking just before lockup. It was all too much and I blew my engine lol.. I didn't know I could do that lol

Well.. since gt3 cars use abs it's kinda normal to have it, on assetto corsa there are cars without it. +You can set abs 0 and you will block if you brake too hard

Biggest difference is the price.

Acc is a gt3 Sim so why wouldn't they brake like gt3 abs systems?

Hopefull when AC2 comes out they'll have some sort of ranked multiplayer system that will compete with iracing. We need more competition to iracing so maybe they'll stop charging an arm and a leg

Daniel Morad on his channel said when he races his real life gt3 you initially trigger the abs but then back off slightly so you are just below the threshold. Apparently you don't always stay deep in the abs **his words not mine**

from what i know/heard from real life drivers. the braking model is better on ACC since you have to go quite deep into the ABS to find time in the braking zone

I feel like reality lies halfway between the two styles.

There is no such thing as "100% braking" in a real system. so I wouldn't really look at pedal inputs too much unless you know what line pressures and wheel torques the sim is outputting.

In real car, belive me I do races on karts and cars, 100% brake application initially and then slow release is also better than do 80% application. So ACC does everything just right

Anyone having a list of real life racing drivers competing in ACC (excluded those who went from sim to real life racing). Driver61 and Daniel Morad prefer iRacing and Max Verstappen only competes in iRacing and rF2. Driver61 says iRacing is closest to real life and Daniel says braking is most realistic in iRacingkzfaq.info/get/bejne/arOGfJmGntqnZZs.html . Personally I miss a lot of road detail in iRacing and in ACC I actually feel the weight of the car as it is in real life. Mario was once asked if Sim Racing (I think it was in rF2) was the same as real lie, he said something like 'No, you need to know what the game wants' . And I always heard that rF2 has the best physics.

Even in the older AC i notice that if Im more aggressive with my breaking in GT3 cars its not the same and I always lock up my rears. Similar setups Ive chocked it up to poor ABS in the old games because once I stopped slamming down to 100% it stops

Ive never played Iracing but i find not engaging the ABS in ACC is faster.....Yes you can slam on the brake but many people are using 1 or 2 ABS settings which will allow you to lock up the tires. Especially if they are cold. The biggest thing in ACC is "CORE" tire temperature.. You can have your PSI perfect but if the "CORE" tire temperature is too low you're losing a ton of grip and braking performance! When you get that CORE tire temperature perfect in ACC the cars drive amazingly! Most people dont realize their tires core temps are too cold this costing them lap times! Having the core temperature just right can make a full second per lap difference using identical inputs! Hungaring, Valencia, Barcelona, Spa, and Weather tech are prime examples! I used to struggle at Weather Tech on the first half of the track. Once i got my core temps right i was down in the low 1:22's. But if the core temperature isnt right its easy to drop to the 1:23.5-1:24 Both Barcelona and Hungaring are the same way. Tire temps Right 1:43's comfortablely. Wrong 1:44's Valencia is another one. So much relies on corner exit. In order to do 1:30 consistently the tires must be in the window...Outside the window and its 1:31-1:31.8. that extra tire slip kills lap times.. Paul Richard 3rd sector is like that too! If you wanna get down to the 1:53's or better the core temperatures much be right. Even with the broken Physics model the ACC tire model is pretty good! Especially when the track is greasy or green! Thats another thing no one really seems to take advantage of! Starting races at green for free practice into Qualifying and working up to optimal. Green and optimal can easily be two seconds different per lap..

In response to some sad old bloke defending iRacing and the company's wallet as if they gave a shit about him or even knew who he was lmao: There's plenty of life service titles that have operated for close to a decade or more all the while not requiring every single player to spend hundreds of dollars on it every year for them to be able to just experience the game in totality. You can make the argument that people don't need every single track or every single car, but that's besides the point. At the end of the day the developers charge those prices because they know they have a unique product with not much competition. The playerbase is letting them get away with this. If everyone stopped buying cars/tracks and cancelled their subscriptions, they'd be forced to drop their prices immediately. Dude really said "well if you think about it it's way cheaper than going on actual track days".... as if that's an adequate defense of a game with one of the most aggressive monetization models in gaming💀

Wait so a sim for modern gt car has exactly what modern gt cars have?

So basically you could've summed it up as ACC simulates GT cars just as they are in real life while iRacing uses a braking style that's inaccurate for GT cars

Some dude really said: "Well, iRacing is expensive, but if you think about it it's way cheaper than if you owned a real race car and took it out for track days."💀yeah nice logic

Well, idk if this is a good thing, even though I'm new, I recommend other new players to enable the brake assist to make you not lock up

I lock up in abs, and im 0.5 from aliens

I mean doesnt gt3 and gt4 series have abs and traction control? If so, i mean thats the cars spec. Makes sense. With iracing you have varieties of many different racing series that doesnt use assists like abs and traction control

Assetto corsa (the normal one) feels like its more popular than acc How shoudl you breka in normal assetto corsa

Good point but main difference is Iracing takes all freaking day to load the game

Trail brake is very real on ACC

It makes me sick in every racing/simracing/car related comment section. It's brAking not brEaking, brAkes not brEaks. Please guys, use english properly

I like ACC i got it for free pretty much man!! it was like 10 bucks with all DLC's. I love it!! Never got to try the other one tho.

So what you are saying is that acc, which is a gt3 simulator and only a gt3 simulator (to my knowledge), simulates modern gt3 cars the way that they are irl and is closer than iracing for modern gt3 cars, and that iracing, which is a motorsport simulator for pretty much all kinds of motorsport, is realistic but not always perfectly accurate to the specific car

what is more realistic with ABS? ACC or iR braking?

ACC braking actually feels real, though. If you turn ABS off, you can 100% lock up the tires. In iRacing however, trail braking is almost useless, as there is almost zero difference in front grip while turning whether you brake or not. In iRacing, you just have to be at a low enough speed for the tires to work. Their physics feel unrealistic to me. ACC is much closer to real world feel, IMO.

So is acc more realistic on braking for gt3 cars? And then iracing is more focused on it’s braking physics for downforce and cup cars with no abs?

Is this a new thing with the modeling? I started on iracing back in 2010/2011 and i would hit 100% in the old Star Mazda and then trail it off effectively. No lock ups.

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Makes sense honestly cause ACC literally is modern GT3 cars only

What's the BGM called?

You guys brake at 100% without trailbraking in ACC ? I thought you were suppose to avoid triggering the ABS as much as you can I mean, I honestly don't know and I'm far from being fast but I always brake way faster by doing this than slamming the brake pedal without gauging anything

Do you coach people on ACC?

Well, i don't see the problem knowing ACC is basically GT3 sim racing

Even on standard road car ABS 100% brake pressure will be just as good at stopping you fast

Ah, so just like New Star GP xD I like that game, very fun

However, high Downforce cars do allow very heavy initial brake application but you have to bleed off the pressure as the grip/DF reduces.

So which one is realistic in terms of GT3? I would say its ACC from in regards of you clip.

Real life is more forgiving,but i think the iracing technique in irl open wheel cars works...max verstappen drives like that irl...look at him now

@SuellioAlmeida Question then: how does braking in ACC without ABS compare to iRacing?

so what is the issue? acc is focused on gt3? so what is your point??

Whew I thought you were gonna say ACC is sim inevery way but arcady in braking. Real life gt3 cars are just THAT good

i racing toyota gr98. most best laps with full 100% abs pressure brakes

U tellin me that acc is more similar to the reality compared to iR?

Not one acc video or my personal experience reflects what is said in this video at all, if you don’t trail brake you don’t go fast….period. Try that 100 -0 and you spin in acc

The main difference between them is just the force feedback that they're both produce I racing is really good but ACC is absolutely terrible can't race it. People keep saying the biggest problem with ACC is the fact that it doesn't have good online multiplayer features in base game but it's honestly just the feedback. That is the game's biggest problem

So it’s better to turn abs to 12 or change the break pressure to 50%

Braking is a breeze in AC

Difference between Iracing and Rfactor2?

IRacing's braking is its most accurate feature

So that leads me to ask, which one more realistic? Or they both equal in opposite direction?

What about gt7 could u do some video about gt7 :)

Does this only apply to Cars with abs on or even with it turned off

ACC just feels so unnatural i cant go back to it. I used to race in ACC for +500hrs, but it never felt natural for me. After i tried iracing i never returned to ACC.

So does it mean that I should turn off ABS in ACC if I want to grow a more realistic approach for breaking?

these comments are full of ACC drivers that suck at iRacing because of skill issues

Whag about threshold braking 🤔 I use it in ACC which isn't always optimal but its very consistent.

I never liked how the braking in assetto works

well it works for ACC because it's exclusive to modern GT3 cars

what about AMS2?

So iracing had racers working with them that cared about the car feeling over how a curb looked lol. Thanks David perel