"Amp Smoked at Gig" | Saving a '69 Deluxe Reverb | Part One

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@jasonstone1046
@jasonstone1046 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos mate. A pleasure to watch :)
@audiotechlabs4650
@audiotechlabs4650 2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t it funny, the difference between amp techs and amp owners? We as techs want to get an amp up in the very best condition for playability and safety, amp owners tend to want everything original. I understand not to degrade the worth of a vintage amp by replacing parts, if you are not going to play the amp, put it on a shelf and admire it. You HAVE to have it safe and up to spec if you’re gonna use it for the reason it was made! Leo wanted his amps used by working musicians! The idea to keep it original and play it every night is a myth! This amp is still old enough to be vintage and worth every penny that it takes to fix it. You can’t by an amp this old, in working condition for the cost of the repair. Love from NW Colorado. Thanxz
@deandee8082
@deandee8082 2 жыл бұрын
here is my take on this, owners who own vintage amps that are good enough to save as a survivor need to do... A. vacuum seal the entire amp, tubes separately then store in touring case, B. remove all vintage parts and components and replace with 3rd party if it's to be "gigged or used".. C. kept in an airtight vacuum sealed case when not is use and used sparingly like once a month for showing off or whatever.. B. donated to the smithsonian cannot have your cake and eat it, one is way ahead to just replicate the amp using better components to achieve that vintage sound, then gig the hale out of it! if you have a smithsonian quality vintage amp you want to retain its antiquity hermetically seal it and then put in fireproof touring case! period! also, these amps are not desirable or wanted for their age, they are desirable for their tone production, fact of the matter is you can build a more reliable cheaper amp kit from mojotone, and once you beat on it for 10 years still get your money back out of it.. I have a smithsonian or better quality princeton Reverb silverface, no jokes, ITS BRAND NEW, but so old... so old.. the fender RCA tubes are brand new, here is what I think happened, the tube slots got loose and failed to hold the tubes properly, so it had intermittent issues, owner played it maybe 4 hours then tossed it in the case in the closet, it was unsealed 45 years later and sold to me, now its back in the case, ridiculously new, speaker, everything, I wanted to make sure it worked, played on it 20 minutes going through all pots, reverb, and tremolo to make sure it all functioned, it does and some, its back in the case tucked away.. I am having a custom made seal and vacuum sealer nipple installed on it, going to suck all the air out of it, equalized to the lowest tunes pressure, slightly less prolly.. it will be in a museum one day, I really want to trace the original owner so him or her may have the posterity of first owner on the card next to the amp, and mine under it as second owner and donator.. I am not 100% sure this is why the amp was stored, as the same auction had a deluxe reverb blackface BRAND NEW, and a deluxe reverb silverface, brand new! which went for ridiculous prices, to this day I am not sure how I got the princeton? I attribute it to a bidding practice, but seriously $1250? huh? whereas the blackface deluxe reverb went for $5500, and the silver face was $2800 I believe, too rich for my blood, hale $5500 thats a soldano SLO 100 full stack FFS...
@voxpathfinder15r
@voxpathfinder15r 2 жыл бұрын
Replacement is also dependent upon the risk it poses in case of failure. If the negative bias capacitor dies, you lose negative bias, and the output tubes will become flame throwers.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
A stable, reliable bias supply is key to survival of not only output tubes but both transformers. After that, filter cap replacement; and examination/replacement of screen and grid-stopper resistors for tolerance and any sign of heat-stress; and checking output-stage coupling caps for electrical leakage. Any of these components failing can cause major damage, but IMHO the bias supply and filter caps *must* be replaced. If a customer won't agree to that after you've tried to explain the importance of changing those parts, tell him to take it elsewhere.
@audiotechlabs4650
@audiotechlabs4650 2 жыл бұрын
I looked on Reverb and these amps are going for $1800 up to $5000! A repair by a competent tech like you, will certainly be way cheaper than buying a used one! And……you could easily put it back to 1965 Blackface specs! Love from NW Colorado. Thanxz
@edwardhannigan6324
@edwardhannigan6324 2 жыл бұрын
Cool walk thru Lyle, Lots of info and tech tips..Nice amp..Ed..uk..😀
@russellesimonetta3835
@russellesimonetta3835 2 жыл бұрын
Fender amps in the seventies had really funky wires that leaked goop all over the inside of the chassis!
@BradsGuitarGarage
@BradsGuitarGarage 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, an all original amp is not a desirable thing. People need to get that out of their heads. All original vintage amps are fine for museum pieces as long as they're NEVER turned on again.
@normaljeans908
@normaljeans908 2 жыл бұрын
WGS has that 200 watt 12L something. It is a wonderful sounding speaker. It is capable of serving different genres of music. Oh, I bought one and put it in a 1x12 custom pine cabinet built by a local craftsman. That amp would work great for that speaker. Fender amps sound better as I get older. I hear about problems about some of their smaller amps made over the border.
@thetasigma6434
@thetasigma6434 2 жыл бұрын
Uncle Doug owned!
@audiotechlabs4650
@audiotechlabs4650 2 жыл бұрын
What year did Fender quit putting the brass plate under the pots for grounding? That might be another way to determine the year the amp was born. Love from NW Colorado. Thanxz
@turn3
@turn3 Жыл бұрын
“Fetishizes over toilet paper rolls”. 😂
@jerrymcgeorge4117
@jerrymcgeorge4117 2 жыл бұрын
79 would have the horrid pull boost on the Vibrato channel volume control and a foot switch input jack on the back panel.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
Note the El Menco-branded 6V6 tubes. Are they branded with a country of origin? They could be just about anything, sourced from anywhere. I've not been able to find any information on the original El Menco company, but elsewhere someone stated that the brand was purchased by IEC, who originally manufactured tubes in Long Island ---- where Amperex tubes also originally came from, by the way, until Philips of Holland bought the name---- but became a tube importer and distributor (notably for Mullard tubes) and sometimes a "re-brander" of tubes; similar to how National, a former manufacturer of transmitting tubes, was bought by Richardson Electronics, whose red tube cartons could sometimes contain real Mullards or Telefunkens but could also contain rebranded tubes from Russia, East Germany, Poland,, Japan, or even India! There was a lot of that going on in the 1970s and 1980s.
@Satchmoeddie
@Satchmoeddie 2 жыл бұрын
Those nylon jacketed crimp splices are old Canadian telco & Pac NW Bell telco connectors. They had to be different and used Bix Block punch down boards too. Mtn Bell, At Bell, MST&T and Bell So used those heat shrink looking nylon over a barrel crimp connectors. A greased cap wire nut would be a better choice.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
I've never seen crimp connectors inside a Fender amp and question their originality. Anyway, wire nuts don't stay in place well on stranded wire, and twisting them onto typical 20 or 22 guage solid wire sometimes used in amplifiers may tend to fatigue and weaken the wire, and I'd avoid using them on amps that are subject to shock and vibration from transport and gigging. Crimp fittings are a more reliable choice, assuming one has proper crimpers and uses them correctly. If you twist the wires together and solder them lightly, then either connector would probably work to cover the bare wire ends (the crimp fitting has to be able to compress the metal in order to stay in placen the wires), but a butt-splice crimp connector would look nicer and is easier to cover with shrink tubing as an extra precaution. (By the way, Big Clive recently tested some no-name solder-containing butt-splice variants that you are suppose to heat with a match or heat gun in order to solder the wires together, but they worked poorly. Name brand versions might be better but are expensive). PS, I was a Tele-data installation tech in a previous life ---- we mostly worked with 66 and 110 punchdown blocks. Prior to that I was a car stereo and alarm installer for 15 years ---- I must have crimped a zillion bell caps, butt splices, bullet connectors, forks, rings and spade lugs.....
@zbaby82
@zbaby82 2 жыл бұрын
There's no way on earth I would ever stuff new filter caps into old containers. I think that is ridiculous. I like the look of new electrolytic capacitors.
@grif900
@grif900 2 жыл бұрын
I do too; and if I may share, I personally just rebuilt a 66 Super Reverb and used F&Ts (they are hidden under the dog-house cover) and the rest of my work is obvious; Modern parts ( almost no orange drops ) but cloth-wrapped tinned wire well placed throughout. I went cheap on the speakers and used ceramic Fender Special designs that were take -outs from a hot -rod Deville 4-10. The thing is a MONSTER ! Sometimes we stumble onto something good, sometimes we have to scrape something off of our shoe.
@dennisflock3958
@dennisflock3958 2 жыл бұрын
Love my Deluxe. But I'd love to get it modded by you.
@bradc32
@bradc32 2 жыл бұрын
1 min in i don't like seeing the ruby rectifier.worth putting a good one there jmo
@jamesf2918
@jamesf2918 2 жыл бұрын
I hope the owner goes for it. I'm already emotionally invested.
@PsionicAudio
@PsionicAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Green light!
@grif900
@grif900 2 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio nice!
@mattjohnson6916
@mattjohnson6916 2 жыл бұрын
I've never understood the hesitancy among some players to have cap jobs done on their amps (or at least installing a grounded power chord) just in the name of keeping it "vintage" and having all original parts because they're afraid of lowering the value. It would be like buying a 1960s muscle car and insisting it still have the original brake fluid in it. Yeah... I'm sure it's going to look great in the driveway but good luck when you try to take that thing for a spin.
@jpalberthoward9
@jpalberthoward9 2 жыл бұрын
You said it! Carve your entire comment in stone! These "cork sniffers" are a colossal pain in the ass. They would rather have the thing be unusable, not working, or in serious danger of going up in smoke, possibly electrocuting somebody, or at the very least, sounding like a turd. Leo probably would have suggested putting tbese idiots in the rubber room. They're kind of like the coffee fanatics who obsess over the volcanic ash content of the soil the beans were grown in, and the elevation of the mountains, and the time of day the beans were picked, and what color shoes the guy was wearing, etc. Just stupid irrelevant crap dreamed up by comic book nerds and other clueless knuckleheads with too much time on their hands. Its just a shame when this mentality bleeds over into useful products that creative, productive people want to use to make art. Lots of people out there who don't have both oars in the water.
@williambock1821
@williambock1821 2 жыл бұрын
If it’s a Tweed that’s all original otherwise, I can see stuffing the old caps just to keep it nice an nostalgic. But just tape a note inside saying what was done of course. On something like a silverface ,it seems a bit like overkill tho.
@russellhltn1396
@russellhltn1396 2 жыл бұрын
I can kinda (sorta) see the point of stuffing caps if it's visible from the back panel. But not under the doghouse.
@shckltnebay
@shckltnebay 2 жыл бұрын
No amp has the caps visible with the cover on
@ramilrodriguez8340
@ramilrodriguez8340 2 жыл бұрын
I think I saw a horizontal crack on the last orange or brown cap on the left side of the board.
@PsionicAudio
@PsionicAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Just a bump in the coating. Been like that since it was made.
@antonix_81
@antonix_81 2 жыл бұрын
i guess replacement ot would be a mercury , maybe not , how do you consider a hammond in an amp like that? good enough?
@PsionicAudio
@PsionicAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Hammond makes some very good transformers. But my prices on Mercury are competitive with Hammond/Heyboer and that would be my choice. If needed
@antonix_81
@antonix_81 2 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio thas cool to know , cheers
@Billywagner22
@Billywagner22 2 жыл бұрын
Make amps great again!
@shckltnebay
@shckltnebay 2 жыл бұрын
Make great amps great again
@PetraKann
@PetraKann 2 жыл бұрын
@@shckltnebay it’s great to make great amps great again
@grif900
@grif900 2 жыл бұрын
@@PetraKann Yee-Ha !
@johnwilliamson467
@johnwilliamson467 2 жыл бұрын
The cap fetish is to me one of the least based in good engineering I know of . Many love a very color no linear cap because of folk lore at best. As you have shown here new and improved does not always apply . Cap tech on the other hand has advanced a great deal in the last 50 year.
@deandee8082
@deandee8082 2 жыл бұрын
it all matters, the better made and sealed caps are best, then using a meter to insure polarity and install accordingly, hale if a guy was to use sheiling on all cap leads that helps minimize noise and bleeding.. I am going to build a mojotone amp from kit, all premium components and trannys.. then I am going to use electronics encapsulant to seal the entire board save the tune sockets which I will use toilet paper rolls to keep encapsulant away form, the encapsulant is what they use on car ECU's aso forth, its gel like and heat resistant.. I figure this should really up the amps performance, ZERO bleed anywhere and no wiring come loose form vibration so forth... only hope its while before it needs servicing, you have to warm this stuff up fairly hot to melt it.. a real concern for me tho is heat, will it build up and destroy components? prolly, but I should get a few good hours out of it, then I'll figure out how to deal with the heat destruction... lol
@matthewf1979
@matthewf1979 2 жыл бұрын
On the whole originality thing, I think we see it as silly and would rather have an amp in its best possible working condition. Some people are collectors and that mindset has been mistakenly placed on inexpensive amps. Humans are weird, Man.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
If a car collector found a '57 Chevy that had been garaged for decades and still had it's original belts, battery, tires and lubricants, would he (or she) jumpstart it and drive it away, or have it towed to a mechanic to get it put into safe, reliable working order before taking it for a cruise? 🤔
@TheStimpy60
@TheStimpy60 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed Matt. Leo was a pragmatist and designed the amps to be easily serviced. I think he would be surprised at all the preservation nonsense and if he was still here, would be offering upgrade kits with F&T and Vishay caps and all sorts of modern things. Hiding new caps in old cardboard tubes - humans are weird is right.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
@@jahmosaxe7109 , apparently you know nothing about amplifiers. Go blow up your own vintage amp; or electrocute yourself because the amp doesn't have a grounded cord and its wiring doesn't confirm to modern electrical codes.
@strumminronin
@strumminronin 2 жыл бұрын
"Fetishises over toilet roll..." 😅
@gpdllcfun1
@gpdllcfun1 2 жыл бұрын
What did it smoke ?
@PsionicAudio
@PsionicAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Dunno. It didn't share.
@shckltnebay
@shckltnebay 2 жыл бұрын
Inconclusive
@deandee8082
@deandee8082 2 жыл бұрын
when you work on another's gear, always work on it like its the utmost importance that you give the gear back as if its been untouched, do not rub white stuff into board, yank on speaker wires, so on so forth.. that methodology will serve you well
@bradrebar101
@bradrebar101 2 жыл бұрын
I think that the guitar player, has more influence on the sound of the amplifier.... Begone.... you vintage snobs!! LOL
@BenState
@BenState 2 жыл бұрын
For someone with your skills, you shouldn't feel the need to explain your rationale. :)
@stevebrown4085
@stevebrown4085 2 жыл бұрын
Did you really have to go on and on about the "toilet paper rolls" thing? I now consider you a smaller man for that kind of an insult. You could have just said you think putting good caps into the old sleeves is a wrong thing to do, but to go to the potty humor? Insults just make you seem small to me.
@PsionicAudio
@PsionicAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Who was insulted? Mr. Whipple?
@markmanning3387
@markmanning3387 2 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio 🤣
@jerrymcgeorge4117
@jerrymcgeorge4117 2 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio That you remember Mr Whipple is astonishing! LOL!
@greg3030
@greg3030 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. You’re insulted by references to toilet paper rolls. That makes the interwebs seem quaint today.
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