"An Honest Conversation about Gender Identity"

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@RhonyHart Жыл бұрын

i felt like the girl in the yellow. I always felt off and disconnected from femininity and womanhood. At 20 i went to a psycologist and got diagnosed with Autism or ASD. As i came to terms with my diagnosis and aided my symptoms my idea that i was non-binary went away. Feminity requires a lot of prepwork and hygine and I struggled with that since I was very little. And assumed these things make me more masculine. A long with insecurities about being black at the time made me fear people misgendering me or assuming i was a guy because i didnt look presentsble that day or was stronger than girls my age. But as i confronted these issues these thoughts about my gender and identity in that way went away each year as I age.

@cman04 Жыл бұрын

Congrats on your journey and finding yourself in a sense. I think you highlighted a problem though. The autistic community has a very high % of people identifying as LGBTQ. Higher than the general population. They are looking for an answer to their difference when their difference is their autism.

@eliTheGuy05 Жыл бұрын

@@cman04 Correlation ≠ Causation, you just did a major logical fallacy. People who are autistic are less likely to be reliant on social norms and this less likely to suppress their gender/sexual identity. There are many people who suppress there identity to conform to social standard and do it either knowingly or unknowingly. Gender disphoria is real, and the unanimous opinion of specialists in this field say that the solution is transitioning.

@jeffchase9096 11 ай бұрын

@@eliTheGuy05 - You just exposed a major logical fallacy, yourself. ASD people are not less reliant on social norms. They find them significantly harder to conform to. You also assume that people suppress their identity to conform, while ignoring that youth often WANT to rebel from societal standards. The more they question their place in the world, the more they are likely to rebel from societal standard. The the opinion of specialists in the field of psychology (who would diagnose gender dysphoria) absolutely is NOT "unanimous" in the believe that transitioning is the solution. I say this from 17 years working in a mental health facility and having multiple discussions with psychologists on topics such as this. You are not only exposing a logical fallacy, but a very clear bias, if you are willing to "make up facts" like it being "unanimous" in order to attempt to win a debate. If people who disagree with your narratives can set aside their personal feelings to seek to understand opposing views by coming to watch this, ... those who agree with your narrative should be just as willing to seek our the opposing views of psychologists on the other side of this debate, rather than insisting everyone agrees, because the only information they have ever gone to seek, is information from those who agree with their view.

@thefuturist8864 11 ай бұрын

There is no fallacy in the OP because there is no claim, either overt or covert, about causation. We ought not to attribute fallacious reasoning to cover up our own faulty inferences.

@Aspartame69 10 ай бұрын

Black women have a lot more testosterone than women from other groups. That goes most of the way to explain the outrageous behaviour even in the ones not gender confused.

@420Gold 11 ай бұрын

What does a woman or man “feel” like? How does a biological female know what a male “feels” like? Or Vice versa. I don’t understand that statement, and I’ve NEVER heard someone actually explain what that means without stereotyping the sexes.

@valkyrieloki1991 8 ай бұрын

That's a good question.

@ncorp2668 6 ай бұрын

It's illogical on multiple levels. Being M or F is a state of being, and anything felt within a person is just am extension of their biology. Brains are not separate from bodies, for starters.

@420Gold 6 ай бұрын

Exactly, I’m not a man because I “feel” like a man. I have no idea what a man “feels” like. I just am one, and I accept it. If i thought I “felt” like a woman, then that’d be an issue with my feelings, because clearly if im a man then men can “feel” such a way. The whole thing is based on feelings, which are entirely subjective. No one can ever truly no what another feels, and there is no male or female “feeling”.

@capoman1 5 ай бұрын

The same way that it "feels" to be tall, or skinny, or blonde. It's NOT a self identity feeling, it's WHAT OUTSIDERS refer to you as. Spud Webb didn't "feel tall" when he dunked. But we as outsiders would say "that short dude dunks like a tall dude."

@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 5 ай бұрын

@@capoman1 being tall or skinny or blond is not a feeling. It is a physical attribute

@learoe6834 Жыл бұрын

I’m always intrigued. I’m a ‘masculine’ woman and know I don’t fit the mould. Honestly couldn’t care less about what other people think. I’ll wear what I want, behave how I want, sleep with who I want. Still a woman though. Don’t need to describe myself as a anything else. It’s other peoples’ problem.

@learoe6834 Жыл бұрын

I feel it’s regressive to think of man and woman in these stereotypical ways

@fimanu 11 ай бұрын

Yes, young ppl sound awfully regressive.

@geno929 10 ай бұрын

Bravo!

@yellowstoic7678 8 ай бұрын

20 years ago it would've been called Tom boy. A girl that dressed like the guys when we were in elementary school and played just as hard with us. When she grew up, she got into more girly things. Either way, nothing wrong with a girl being interested in male things. If the tom boy liked the girl then she'd just be considered a lesbian.

@extremecentrism9796 Жыл бұрын

It sounds like the lady on stage is confusing personality with gender.

@guyledouche357 Жыл бұрын

That's what literally everyone does. Gender identity doesn't exist. It's just a word to describe the personality traits that we observe at different scales between men and women.

@theintellect3977 Жыл бұрын

@@guyledouche357 I agree but the word gender comes from the the French word for “kind, sort, genus” so it is kind of fitting a bit

@guyledouche357 Жыл бұрын

@@theintellect3977 which would be a physical classification depending on reproductive gametes and sexual organs...not because you feel a certain way. That's a synonym for what we call sex. That's not "gender identity" as it is understood.

@theintellect3977 Жыл бұрын

@@guyledouche357 the word isn’t limited to a description of sexes at its root.. but as I said I agree with you

@extremecentrism9796 Жыл бұрын

@@guyledouche357 if I'm reading your comment correctly, you're saying gender identity is basically just a person's personality and can be on a spectrum?

@instrumentofpeace8234 Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see someone in the discussion who's expression departs from gender mores, but who still identifies with their biological gender. Someone needs to show these kids that rejecting gender expectations does not mean you must reject the gender itself. If you want to tear down ideas that how you look is not tied to your gender, then stop changing your gender based on how you look. Gender is not fluid, fashion is fluid.

@MrSk8ingrules Жыл бұрын

Exactly it’s not Fluid at it’s basis it is on a binary spectrum. A spectrum nonetheless highly complex to which the majority of people end up with their gender in rightful (natural) accordance with their anatomical sex. Of the minority of people not in accordance with their biological sex the majority are homosexuals (or lesbian) and the minority are trans-true transgenders are .006% of the population. Homosexuality and true transgenderism are on the same spectrum, one much smaller than the spectrum that falls onto the continuum between gender and sex, or nature and nurture. Gender being largely social sex being biological. The scale is biased toward biology but is also again in it’s complexity largely effected by socialization. As our brains are predisposed to interpret reality as are our genetics which are formed in the womb (prenatally developed and unalterable/innate).

@hotelmario510 Жыл бұрын

There are so many comments in this thread that make me think "Who cares?" I don't know why people are so determined to get into an ontological argument about this. The only morally correct position on transgender people, if you don't agree ontologically that they are men or women or something inbetween or whatever, is to say "Okay, well, best of luck to you", call them by whatever names they tell you, and by whatever pronouns they use. I don't understand what it's like to be a Muslim, or a hunter-gatherer in Africa. But far be it from me to tell a Muslim or a hunter-gatherer in Africa that they live their life "wrong" simply because I can't understand that life. Better for me to say "Well, if that's what works for you, then by golly, that's fine by me." I honestly think that there is no justifiable basis _not_ to respect transgender people's identities and how they understand themselves. The only reason - quite simply the only reason - to respond to someone telling you their name and pronouns with a haughty "No, I don't think so, I'm going to use the name on your birth certificate", is to be wilfully and callously cruel. It is couching bullying behaviour in high, academic, ontological language. It is the pathetic, petulant, backwards behaviour you'd expect of a child refusing to eat vegetables. Just _grow up!_ It's not hard to do! Everyone has to do it! Hold your nose if you have to! Just eat your greens! You massive, tantrumming _baby!_

@MrSk8ingrules Жыл бұрын

@@hotelmario510 yea we all need to grow up and give in to linguistic coercion and censorship. I love Marxism! Don’t get me wrong I’m not gonna go out of my way to not call someone something they’d prefer when they’re reasonable. However, denying biological sex in way of prioritizing this gender identity disorder mass delusion, is not any way a benefit to the health of that individual, as they are essentially suffering from a mental disorder. It’d be like telling a schizophrenic yes I actually do have a gun and want to kill you, when in reality it’s only in his head. Possibly bad analogy but you get the idea.

@cjamir5cj 11 ай бұрын

You ever see a straight married man with kids who is not homosexaul, but is a little soft spoken and somewhat feminine. Thats gender fluidity. At least most people have feminine and masculine, if only in their head. That's fluidity.

@thefuturist8864 11 ай бұрын

@@hotelmario510it might be of benefit to you to do a bit of growing up yourself and recognise that your own standards aren’t shared by everyone else. Telling other people they’re wrong and assuming that you’re right is one of the more childish things a person can do.

@zachariemelanson485 Жыл бұрын

One thing, a lot of people seem to mistake masculinity or femininity for a feeling, but it's actually determined by behavior. You can "feel" masculine or feminine as much as you want, but if it isn't perceived by the people around you, you are not the feminine or masculine person you feel you are.

@hotelmario510 Жыл бұрын

Okay. Who cares? They're not bothering you in any way. They just want to be able to live their lives in peace. The issue is _not_ an ontological disagreement. People disagree about whether God exists or if there is such a thing as free will. But a person who believes or does not believe in God, or free will, does not get to say that the opposite view is invalid and should be legally suppressed. And it is the same for being transgender. Transgender people, generally speaking, aren't harming anyone. No, really, they aren't. A person does not go through the expensive and often taxing process of transitioning from one gender to another for the specific purpose of harming others. Yes, there have been transgender criminals, and some of them violent criminals, rapists, abusers, and so on, but that is because a percentage of _any_ population will contain violent criminals and sex criminals. Unfortunately, that is the reality of the world we live in. You don't prevent rape and murder by telling people their identities are not real. Transgender people only want to be able to live their lives. Yes, that requires you, as a human being, to call them by the names they choose and the pronouns they choose. Yes, that requires you to make some effort to at least understand where they are coming from. Ontological disagreements are never an excuse for abandoning your humanity. All people are worthy of respect, even if you consider their beliefs to be absurd or untrue. And if you can't manage that, then I sincerely doubt you actually care about the ontology of it at all. You're using it as an excuse to be cruel to people. Nobody is asking the world of you. Just have some basic decency. If you can't manage that, then why should anyone else do the same for you?

@egondro9157 11 ай бұрын

You do realize this girl has existed forever and a day. They just call them tomboys. They are usually targeted by other girls, but if they look good, guys will flood around them. They are more associated with common interests but they are still a girl and have everything that makes them a girl. To a guy that is a win win. The point beings is most who feel in the tomboy area who don’t look good, well those people are targeted by women and guys just don’t associate or will be dismissive to agree with a woman of interest.

@jeffchase9096 11 ай бұрын

@@hotelmario510 - If you are being accosted by someone because you accidentally mis-gendered them in public, ... they are most definitely "bothering you." Who wasn't trying to bother anyone was likely the person who accidentally mis-gendered them. In this scenario, who didn't have "some basic decency?" Happened to me at a carry out counter. I said, "She was here first." They yelled "MY PRONOUNS ARE HE/HIM!" Literally the only thing masculine about this very pretty young person, was the chain on their wallet. (And even that, I didn't notice until well after being yelled at.) They didn't look masculine, weren't dressed masculine, didn't sound masculine, ... nothing. Instead of simply stating their response, I was yelled at by someone who intentionally used it as an excuse to cause a scene in a public place, as if I purposely mis-gendered them. If I have to choose between never being polite or risking being accosted, ... I'll just have to accept being accosted. But, it definitely doesn't make it right, ... and you deflinitely can't tell me they weren't bothering me in any way.

@cjamir5cj 11 ай бұрын

Thanks professor.

@thefuturist8864 11 ай бұрын

What’s sad about this particular thread is that it’s a classic example of person A saying xyz, and person B claiming that person A said abc, meaning that person A now has to respond to an interpretation that largely misses the point of what they tried to say. The original post seems to be about how merely feeling one way or the other is not enough to make a person that way or the other. It says nothing about whether they ought to be *allowed* to be this way, and it *certainly* doesn’t make any claim that this is harmful.

@oliviareames1500 Жыл бұрын

Woman does not equal feminine, man does not equal masculine Though women tend to lean more feminine and men more masculine Why do we need to replace feminine and masculine traits with gender?? They aren’t the same thing

@tangchan6221 Жыл бұрын

There’s only two genders though, the rest is a fabrication though. You can be a tather feminine man, you can be a rather masculine woman. You are still belonging to the binary, whatever you do whoever you are and even if you are intersex.

@kokonut222 Жыл бұрын

Exactly! I’m a gay woman and I’ve barely ever felt feminine in my life and people have generally understood me to just be a tomboy. I walk, talk and act like a boy most of the time just cuz it’s natural to me. This whole they/them stuff is just confusing the next generation into thinking they need to fit in a certain category when they should just be themselves! What happened to loving yourself for who u r :(

@extremecentrism9796 Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I've noticed a lot of "trans" people are just trying to reinforce gender stereotypes.

@someones_daughter_ Жыл бұрын

Hashtag save the tomboys

@pescafresca2053 Жыл бұрын

There is supposedly a link between autism and trans/nb people. Corey is constantly swaying looking like a stim. Would've been an interesting discussion as people with some milder types of autism have always felt different, but never faced a society embracing gender fluidity. For some it may be a quick fix and in the case of medical transition irreversible and may not result in the alleviation of feeling different

@Julie-qr9ow Жыл бұрын

I believe it. Every nonbinary person I've met is also autistic

@buddyrevell6369 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting observation. There is definitely more going on there than just gender disorder.

@cajunking5987 Жыл бұрын

A lot of teenage girls I argue with online who identify with some of these things are also autistic. Rare tho.

@tylerwhitney3443 Жыл бұрын

Def something there with neurodivergence. Kiddo I lived with was autistic and transitioned ftm

@SaltyTofu Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but they were also probably nervous to be up there in front of the class; could explain the movement as well. Would be very interested to see what the research shows in this field 100 years from now.

@davidatrout Жыл бұрын

Hope the Prof doesn’t wind up in trouble for saying Corey can never be a man in the sense that the Prof is a man. He does a great job on his high wire and it is a much needed conversation to have. I also appreciate that this classroom is able to have some open convo on this issue. Everyone seems polite and engages with decorum. As a 60 year old man, accepting of all kinds of lifestyles, I have turned to these classroom discussions as a means to move away from some echo chambers. But what the professor said is the exact same statement and sentiment that elicits vitriol and hate from activists in the trans community. Reactions such as those experienced by Riley in California were reprehensible. The conversations are just too volatile. When I was a young man, my experiences in having intellectual conversations about hot button issues were far less volatile. Props to the Prof. keep up the great work as long as you can.

@ShoulderUnderwear Жыл бұрын

Agreed completely. People (like JK Rowling) have receive death threats for saying less than the professor probably did here. Speaking of, check out the podcast "The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling." I just finished the final episode of it today during my commute and it was excellent. It was definitely far from any sort of echo chamber. I sadly wouldn't be too surprised if professor Sam Richards' career gets cut short after this class.

@MrJimmy738 Жыл бұрын

He's alright. Kinda obvious and cringe when he like sucks up to them and is like " it's sooooo cooooooool man" but at least as liberal as he is the man seems to have a little common sense when it comes down to the actual factual biology of it all.

@meglocklear Жыл бұрын

The pronoun thing eats at me. The pronouns are ones that we would use when that person is not around for the most part. If the person with different pronouns isn't around why would they get upset when someone uses the wrong pronoun?

@Ryanblueshoes Жыл бұрын

In a sense Meg, you are already able to navigate those conversations based on how you framed your comment. When talking about another person you can say "they" in the same way you say "why would they get upset". You are talking about a person, you can say "they" in that context and it seems natural. It's the same for someone who wants to have their pronouns as "they". You can also refer always to a person by their name and remove pronouns entirely from the conversation.

@willsl321 Жыл бұрын

It should eat at you. It’s a fashionable social contagion that permits people to manipulate and coerce others under threat of being called a bigot totally arbitrarily. It also fundamentally makes no sense, and there’s a weird top down cultural demand for you to adhere to these new, constantly shifting rules.

@someones_daughter_ Жыл бұрын

It's an automatical proces in my mind, if my mind subconsciously categorises someone as a girl, it wil navigate to 'she'. I'm sorry, but a tomboy or masculine woman is still going to socially interact as a woman. Your body language and mental mannerisms, the way you socialise and emotionally express yourself will always expose you, no matter how hard you play a different role

@szalaytamas3184 Жыл бұрын

@@Ryanblueshoesyou didn't even answer the question. In my country in my native language there is no sex in the pronounce so it's strictly when you say them or they equivalent you mean more than one people and when you use he/she it's the same word. I think it doesn't give anything about language it's only about logical thinking.

@blobbita Жыл бұрын

Well, a lot of the time you do hear it. And based on the pronoun that other people use to refer you, they make judgements about your gender. The issue is not being respected as a trans individual, not the pronouns themselves. For example, if i let other people know that i am nonbinary, and they continue to refer to me as she in front of others, i feel disrespected the same way that you might be if someone used the opposite gendered pronouns for you. It just shows disregard I guess. Its not like you only use pronouns when that person is not around, either.

@JonnM Жыл бұрын

I genuinely feel great sympathy for the young woman. She/He is psychologically all over the place. She doesn’t really know who she is. To use that 60s phrase, she still trying to find herself.

@robertosnow3841 10 ай бұрын

maybe this individual does not demand it, but the community as a whole does to the point of holding legal accountability for not fulfilling their psychotic demands and screw this guy for suggesting for brushing it off as "cool"

@livetotell100 Жыл бұрын

The problem most people have with this kind of thinking is that they are teaching it to elementary school kids. Once these kids are old enough to make an adult and informed decision, then fine. I have no problem with it. It's totally fine.

@thefuturist8864 11 ай бұрын

I agree, but only because I think *any* focus on gender at that stage of education sets up barriers to the curiosity of a child. There are going to be things that boys and girls need to learn about being boys and girls, but it’s of great benefit not to create obstacles that force a child to wonder if an activity or interest is ‘correct’ for them.

@punna28 11 ай бұрын

Let's understand something scientifically important and indisputable here- it's not just the (question of) anatomy and a few body parts.. what we are is defined in each and every cell in the body.. you cannot cut and move some pieces if body here and there & pretend to be a different sex. What we are ALL born with is immutable.

@realtalk7547 Жыл бұрын

I figured they would get around to this. She feels like neither? I don’t sit around saying to myself man I feel like a man. Being male or female in based on fact and not what I sit around thinking about myself. This is just an extension of what we called in the 60s the counter culture. The door was opened to a new way to see things and now all kinds of absurdities will advance. As we abandon the concept of “ male and female created he them” you end up with human anarchy.

@legessi 10 ай бұрын

And no man is going through gender euphoria. Shes basing her entire identity on whether or not someone else believes that she's a man. There is no happy ending for outsourcing your identity to other peoples affirmation. No one has to "believe" I'm a man for me to be a man.

@realtalk7547 10 ай бұрын

@@legessi You make a good point. However the real issue in my opinion is when a biological male and their allies try to force society to agree wholeheartedly with their “thoughts” or suffer the consequences.

@keatings50 Жыл бұрын

Being required to use neo-pronouns or "they/them" in the singular gives me the 'ick'. Your identity is not yours alone and you cannot dictate that others recognize your self-id as truth or fact. These new identity labels (gender-queer, non-binary, two-spirit, etc) just seem more like variations on the Big 5 personality traits rather than actual distinct classifications of identity.

@4dl0w Жыл бұрын

What is your problem with something being gender neutral? Plus, I imagine people treat your identity as fact every day of your life. Why is it so challenging when YOU disagree?

@dani4ever Жыл бұрын

They has been used as singular since Shakespeare, it's such a weird thing to be opposed to. But I also think it's weird that people care so much about pronouns when they're used to refer to a 3rd party in a conversation. The subject of the pronoun doesnt hear the pronoun most of the time.

@eliTheGuy05 Жыл бұрын

First off language is fluid and a human construct, you can’t make a objective argument in regards to language. But even if your trying to do that, they/them has been used in singular form for a majority of the existence of modern English. It is the appropriate term to use when you don’t assign a gender with pronouns, for example if your friend tells you about something about their friend, and doesn’t specify gender, if you want to ask a question or comment you would use THEY. Or the other case, if someone doesn’t fit in perfectly with male/female they can use they as a pronoun. Your not as smart as you think you are and that “ick” is just bigotry. Maybe it’s time for you to evaluate yourself and change

@cajunking5987 Жыл бұрын

@@4dl0w humans aren’t gender neutral. We have genders.

@szalaytamas3184 Жыл бұрын

@@eliTheGuy05 lol. I would never use they and them for a girl or a boy. That's cause misunderstanding. The best in language that you can describe things most accurately so others don't have to guess what you mean by that or this. imo. I think people don't understand their self so they try to make up things so they can say ohh that's what I am. I'm special I'm a whole different thing than you. Or something like that.

@user-ks9fq2yp3o 11 ай бұрын

She wasn't s "assigned " her gender at birth , her sex was determined by the health care professional who delivered her.

@bogusphone8000 10 ай бұрын

Not accurate. The doctor / nurse simply observed the reality and confirmed it.

@OssamabinKenny Жыл бұрын

It should work the same way at the bank, with my account balance: I feel like there is 20k in my checking account. …and the teller should give me 20k or else they are Balance-Phobic 😡

@cisium1184 10 ай бұрын

Are we all just going to ignore the fact that the person in yellow _never stops moving around?_

@TheLesporter 8 ай бұрын

Cory is very confused with herself. She is also living in a dream if she feels the world gives a shit.

@Erica-lp6bl 8 ай бұрын

ADHD. I'd put money on it.

@elainegoad9777 Жыл бұрын

Lesbian, Gay and Bi-sexual is you are attracted to same sex relationships/sex partners and Bi, one is attracted to both sexes for relationships and sex partners but maybe not equally. Gender has to do with being a male/man or a female/woman. There is no relationship between the two and "T" should not be included with the LGB (logo)

@extremecentrism9796 Жыл бұрын

Well said! LGB community is about being attracted to the opposite sex. How can T be a part of it of they can't even define what a man or woman is....

@TheWorldIsGoingToShit Жыл бұрын

100%!!

@cajunking5987 Жыл бұрын

Agreed. There are only three sexualities. Hetero, homo, bi. Gender identity isn’t a thing, only sex matters. LGB has nothing to do with T

@philmulrooney7020 8 ай бұрын

It seems that it’s required that we must accept people that cannot accept themselves.

@saxaphone9496 11 ай бұрын

Sex isn't assigned at birth. At the moment of conception, sex is determined by chromosomes. The majority of people are XX or XY, you cannot change your sex.

@zarbins 5 ай бұрын

Gametes are a better determinate of sex and are what define sexual biological dimorphism in our species.

@Dandeliondart 10 ай бұрын

Why are we normalizing feeling like something is wrong with your body and wanted to mutilate your body to fix that feeling?! Removing breast tissue? Taking opposite sex hormones? Clearly Cory is NOT happy with her body as a woman, why don't we work on getting her help to accept her body the way it is naturally growing and developing? Instead we say "yes go change your name, pronouns, get surgery, that'll fix the problem!"

@mjones7887 9 ай бұрын

Because that’s not how gender dysphoria works. You’re confusing body dysphoria versus gender dysphoria with your two completely different things.

@Dandeliondart 9 ай бұрын

@mjones7887 so what is gender dysphoria? A feeling that you are born in the wrong body, feeling out if place, etc.? The problem then is to fix the feeling not the natural and healthy body you have!

@shebacat565 Жыл бұрын

Binding is not benign, it causes many physical problems. There is so much bio/physical ignorance in the trans movement.

@salvatoreshiggerino6810 11 ай бұрын

Does anyone else here have trouble relating to the two men here saying it would feel weird to be called "she"? I'd feel the person calling me "she" was the weird one, not me.

@mylesleggette7520 Жыл бұрын

Professor: "Corey is not demanding that anyone see things a certain way." Corey: "I use these pronouns, so that means you can use these pronouns to refer to me." The professor likes to be, you know, like, all cool and stuff maaaan, but the idea that people who try to dictate others' language via pronouns are accepting of anything and not trying to exert control is pure fantasy.

@RoderickEtheria Жыл бұрын

That's precisely what they are asking people to do, professor.

@unhingedmanchild Жыл бұрын

Yup, demanding that somebody else calls you something specific via wielding the threat of fines/incarceration/penalties is "compelled speech." That's fuckin tyranny and not free speech.

@slimmoses3376 Жыл бұрын

She's not demanding, but asking. Even the professor used the wrong pronoun for he/they on accident and it was fine.

@RoderickEtheria Жыл бұрын

@@slimmoses3376 They are telling you certain pronouns can be used, meaning the pronouns not listed cannot be used. It basically demands that you must conform to their worldview.

@extremecentrism9796 Жыл бұрын

@@slimmoses3376 I would be interested to see what happens if he denied her request at changing the pronoun he uses to address her. Also, this is why pronouns are important. That last sentence was so easy to write. And you know exactly who I'm talking about without any names. In fact, I dont remember either of their names.

@guyledouche357 Жыл бұрын

The only honest discussion to be had to to recognize it as complete bunk.

@MrJimmy738 Жыл бұрын

The lady on stage is such a mess of confusion lol if your just you, why do you need to create all these terms to refer to yourself as? I'm just not convinced by these people. Not one of them can sit and have a rational conversation about it without coming out looking mentally ill.

@fireflames09 Жыл бұрын

I want to mention that Corey didn't create all this language. Corey went all their life feeling like they didn't fit in. Something about who they were was never aligned with how others expected them to be. Corey finds others who share this experience and they've all been using these words because none existed prior. Corey adopts these terms because they resonate with how they feel and how they've experienced life.

@BaiLong45 11 ай бұрын

A lot to consider here, but honestly, this has been the lecture I've been looking for. An honest, civil, and open discussion that looks at a number of different perspectives without vitriol or anger. These kids are lucky to have this professor and this professor rocks for teaching these kids. Great job to Alex and Corey for giving their input on this as well.

@matthewyeiser3451 9 ай бұрын

this is not an open discussion, this is a leftwing "professor" contributing to the delinquencies of minors. This is a mental illness, not something to be celebrated.

@wordsrwind22 8 ай бұрын

It’s not honest. It’s totally one-sided and biased. The professor didn’t challenge anyone here. I like these videos and I respect Dr. R, but come on, this was not as you described.

@ab3240 7 ай бұрын

@@wordsrwind22 "You will never have my body. Are you cool with that?" - This is the very essence of being challenged. Did we watch the same video?

@nickcalegari4274 10 ай бұрын

I think this conversation would be better served without the professors bias and reinforcing statements.

@rwillson291 Жыл бұрын

Sam is a fabulous professor and does a nice job negotiating the social minefield of Corey's pronouns and can be forgiven for stumbling around the 17:25 and 17:35 mark. Yet, I wonder how many more stumbles it would take for Sam to get a call from HR. Those conversations may not be so cool. Meanwhile, perhaps as a companion lecture to this one, Sam can address trans athletes trying to compete in women's sports. The videos from Riley Gaines's appearance at San Francisco State earlier this month clearly show demands being made by the trans activists. Those videos are not so cool!

@dfinma Жыл бұрын

1:19 Sex is observed at birth, not assigned.

@extremecentrism9796 Жыл бұрын

Great use of language to clearly and concisely explain what is actually happening. This new gender ideology is about lying to our eyes and perceptions.

@chrisk1208 Жыл бұрын

Separating sex and gender breaks down amongst others for me with this: I have never heard of a lesbian falling in love with a biological male identifying as a woman, or a gay man falling in love with a biological woman identifying as a man. Sex and gender are strongly connected and gender is not a social construct.

@cajunking5987 Жыл бұрын

As a gay man you’re right, as far as I remember gender was synonymous with sex. People UNDENIABLY used them interchangeably (not for the verb sex though)

@mjones7887 9 ай бұрын

That’s not true at all there is plenty of examples of lesbians, falling in love with trans women and gay man falling in love with trans man.

@chrisk1208 9 ай бұрын

@@mjones7887 please give some of those examples.

@RetroFab Жыл бұрын

I feel like I'm a Vulcan. It does not mean I am one and neither would I force people to change their language to have to address me as one. There lies the whole issue I have with this debate.

@lynnoettl5996 Жыл бұрын

What would a body language expert or behaviorist/psychologist say about the rocking? Body changes aside, also, can't be in the man chair because Cory cannot think/understand what it is to be a man from a primal perspective.

@TheGraffLord Жыл бұрын

I wondered why she was doing that so much. Maybe a nervous tick

@jasondowd3248 Жыл бұрын

That struck me also the rocking and fidget, like a skater on the top of the ramp just jittering

@dallassegno 5 ай бұрын

Looks like schizophrenia

@thefuturist8864 11 ай бұрын

We could, if we wanted to, take a far more practical approach. Not everyone will get what they want, but everyone will get something that helps them. How do we do this? First we distinguish between biological sex and sociological gender; then we accept that there will be some people who don’t feel physically right in their body, while there will be others who don’t feel comfortable conforming to whatever social expectations are placed upon them by society. We then stress the importance of live and let live, applying to all equally, which means that anyone can request to be called by anything, but they cannot demand it and anyone else is free to not call them that. Lastly we make a concrete distinction between actual physical harm (and associated psychological harm) on the one hand, and merely feeling bad on the other, and discourage people from claiming that it is ever wrong for them or anyone to feel bad about themselves. The obstacle to this is a simple but difficult one: identity groups that have politicised their preferences such that their bad feelings are mistaken for actual harm. These groups don’t want to compromise, but until such compromise happens we will not get past this mess we’re currently living.

@cococali6589 6 ай бұрын

How does one know any different? Does a cow wonder what being a chicken feels like? It’s not a knowing kind of thing. I mean yeah I could wonder what it feels like to be treated certain ways, I could want unmerited favor but is that has nothing to do with my sex organs, dna or brain chemistry.

@saxaphone9496 11 ай бұрын

I have a problem with the pronoun thing. Never in my life have I been told what English words I must use in a sentence. Can a person tell me what adjectives and nouns I must use? I work at a University and we are required to use the Pronouns a person requires.

@imgoodaswell9558 11 ай бұрын

God help us all. These kids are lost.

@JonnM 9 ай бұрын

I’m not sure of the medical accuracy of what the young woman is saying. I feel great sympathy for her; she clearly has serious mental issues. As an adult, she can, of course, identity as whatever she wants; I have no issue with that. However, I do feel perpetrating gender alignment surgery on a minor is akin to child abuse.

@poixon_asherzzz Ай бұрын

Firstly before doing surgery there are a lot of stuff to do before getting surgery you know? It's not an easy thing you know?maybe do research first yk?

@ncorp2668 6 ай бұрын

Can we talk about how a certain segment of ideologues have completely re-written the use of that term, particularly concerning fminst theory? 20 years ago, what this girl believes would be (rightly) considered regressive and normative. We were supposed to be bucking the roles, not spiritually essentializing them.

@ncorp2668 6 ай бұрын

And no, the roles aren't "psychology", it's socialized through oppressive and restrictive norms.

@dahliapothos1434 Жыл бұрын

I feel like the word euphoria is being misrepresented. Is there another word to explain feeling appropriate in your body? Because euphoria means to have a sense of intense excitement. If this was something I dealt with i'd feel a lot of disappointment down the road because euphoria is temporary. I'm fairly certain no one is eternally euphoric. I guess I just want to hear a more appropriate word. ❤ Thanks for the good conversation

@420Gold 11 ай бұрын

I’ve thought that same thing before.

@nicovanos 6 ай бұрын

I wish we would promote self-acceptance more, rather than considering sugary. Your body is amazing. Learn how to love it, instead of cutting it up.

@artmaltman Жыл бұрын

PLEASE NO MUSIC!!! Way too distracting. Horrible. These are fantastic conversations but the music destroys it.

@SOC119 Жыл бұрын

Hey Art, Thanks for the comment. We put music in the intro/outros to create more engaging videos. Timestamps are always in the description - skip the intro to avoid the intros :) It's Sam's overview of the class and guest intros. However - the music was way too loud for this series. We are making adjustments!

@artmaltman Жыл бұрын

@@SOC119 Yes, making the music very subtle would help a lot. But honestly, the conversations are so incredibly engaging that any music at all just detracts. You might need music to pump up boring conversations -- not an issue here!

@unpopularopinionedpariah6102 Жыл бұрын

Play this instead "JL B.Hood - Psychosis" 🎵 I troll ❤😆I troll TROGdorTHEburninator! Release the TROGDOR!

@geno929 10 ай бұрын

A lot of this conversation revolves around "looks" or "looking like" the opposite of what your were born with. I don't hear anything related to the mental aspects of this conversation. I feel most of this subject needs to be directed by professional counseling of some sort. I can do everything I can to look like Taylor Swift, but all of that effort won't make me Taylor Swift!

@vlndfee6481 Жыл бұрын

My.... this chaos... The mental rollercoaster.. The problem is .. The UN is promoting this ... And attached financial consequences to it. That makes it awful

@justlol7281 Жыл бұрын

Why not have conservatives push back on their views?

@dani4ever Жыл бұрын

Push back? You're looking at this wrong. Stop treating every conversation as a confrontation.

@matts6139 Жыл бұрын

What view would you like pushed back on?

@salvatoreshiggerino6810 11 ай бұрын

What is there really to push back on? This is just a woman in pants who's not making any demands. Even the conservatives who do think women shouldn't wear pants must concede that they lost that debate 100 years ago, at least for people outside of their own communities. I've looked over several of Dr. Richards' videos and this seems to be the overarching theme. In the CRT lecture he said that there is a complex system of factors that lead to poor outcomes for blacks, which is obviously true, but then why do we need CRT? If he neither defends nor challenges any of the extreme views at the heart of the conservative-woke conflict, I don't really see the point of any of this.

@levnazarov Жыл бұрын

What if ... just what if ... a person is not born as a pansexual ... but somebody having difficulty understanding their own body.... not understanding signals it is sending... not understanding why the body makes the person feel the way it does. The person might have an image of what the body should provide and being disappointed when the body provides something different. Then that person can say - you know what this body is difficult to understand, I'm not happy with it, I would like a different body , the one easier to understand. Wouldn't this mean the person will be in a endless pursuit of their new expectations of the mythical body they know nothing about while ignoring all the potential benefits of their biological body. Replacing a set of unrealistic expectations with another one. I wish all the best to whoever is on this journey.

@blobbita Жыл бұрын

I think you might be confused by the terminology, but I assume you are referring to trans / nonbinary people. Because pansexual is a sexuality where you are attracted to all kinds of people without a preference. And while for some trans individuals gender mught be confusing, or their bodies might make them feel confused, a lot of them are very sure from an early age that the body they are in is not right, and the societal role that people put on them is also not right (being aan or woman is in a way a sociatal role :) ). So they decide they gotta do something about it or they cant bear living like this anymore. Its just a way to make themselves feel like themselves, rather than anything else.

@silasgenovese3572 9 ай бұрын

Lets make mental health issues mental health issues again.

@freddiesimmons1394 Жыл бұрын

9:38 But no, it wouldnt be the same as if someone called me she or Ezekiel or something. It would be weird to me to be called those things because I have never been called those things in earnest. It's not because I "identify" as a he.

@MariaTorres-hc5uq 11 ай бұрын

Did anyone notice their different body posture? The way the guy who identifies as a gay, moves his feet a little, maybe because his legs are hanging. The "whatever" creature is moving all the time, sort of repetitious like some autistic children do. Curious.

@TheWorldIsGoingToShit Жыл бұрын

The difference in being called a man when you’re a woman vs “feeling” like a woman and being called a man is astronomical. It’s absolutely ridiculous to even engage in this type of conversation, it just doesn’t make sense!

@extremecentrism9796 Жыл бұрын

Agreed. This thing where we're catering to every single feeling a person can have is absurd. We can't run a society like this. At a certain point, others need to conform to the status quo, the status quo simply cannot conform to every individual.

@TheWorldIsGoingToShit Жыл бұрын

@@extremecentrism9796 it’s the reason for every problem in society. People keep trying to force others to accept and believe in everything they do. In return, people rebel and fight against the pressure to change.

@francisconnorOsteopath 11 ай бұрын

They is confusing… which part of being female/woman is confusing. I feel this needs exploring.

@lre4real Жыл бұрын

He sound like Shaggy from Scooby Doo and I can't unhear it

@RekzaFS Жыл бұрын

A lot of truthphobics in that room.

@robschramm1 11 ай бұрын

The unfortunate part of this and while I really enjoy it almost every conversation that sock 119 has... I think there's some disingenuousness going on here. You're talking about having a difficult conversation but you make assumptions about what's happening in the world today with minors and skip over the most terrifying aspects to people. I would be much more interested in this as you've done in the other classes use statistics to take out a lot of the emotion. This particular classroom is all adults. They have a vastly different perspective which is interesting.

@danielfox3003 7 ай бұрын

It’s so confusing for me and I don’t have these issues. I can’t imagine how confusing it is for these kids. It would probably be easier if it wasn’t so popular.

@bogusphone8000 10 ай бұрын

An honest conversation would be confident enough to challenge and decompose all points presented to arrive closer to reality, fact, and maybe truth. This was a one sided presentation with no attempt to validate the points presented. At one point, the instructor presented the goal of critical thinking. Yet, i have seen very little in numerous videos. There was another discussion about this topic. One person asked "how do you know?". The other person responded "because I say I am.". The other then responded with "okay, then with your rationale, I am a kangaroo.". The other, looking puzzled replied "that's really weird". "Why?" asked the other. "I am because I said so." "But, you're not. You're a human." As the words came out, you could see the mental turmoil rising in their eyes. Having to critically come to the understanding the difference between what one is and what one chooses to present. I would love this instructor to put this young adults in circumstances where critical thought is exercised on diverse topics. Ask probing questions to ask sides and enable tomorrow's adults to be mentally strong, honest, and free if the word "like".

@skunkymule6993 2 ай бұрын

Anyone notice that quary can‘t sit still? I think there are also other issues than then gender disphoria

@RekzaFS Жыл бұрын

This is not an honest conversation whatsoever. An honest conversation would be to discuss the metaphysical implications of transgenderism and neopronouns instead of just taking it for granted.

@ab3240 7 ай бұрын

It's a sociology class, not a political or philosophy one.

@manthing1467 11 ай бұрын

Going into debt for this type of "education".........

@bleekrides 10 ай бұрын

The back ground music really distracts from the conversation. I'm glad it trails off at the beginning of the lesson.

@maggiemae4584 Жыл бұрын

Like they always Iike to say like Is like driving me like crazy 😢

@dallassegno 5 ай бұрын

If it's only like, then it isn't is it? It's only like, right?

@cajunking5987 Жыл бұрын

Man if I were in that blue hood boy’s position that girl would hate me

@kkrenken895 7 ай бұрын

I’m curious to see how “honest” this discussion will be.

@chrisk1208 Жыл бұрын

Does the gender queer lady enter a boys bathroom when feeling more masculine? What about men feeling like a women, should they enter a woman's bathroom? How do you distinguish between men who really identify as a woman or want to transition, and sociopaths who want to be a peeping Tom? About the pronoun thing. Just stop it. There is grammar and you don't get to tell me how I address you when you are nit there. When I am talking to you, I am calling you you, or by your name.

@TFHanisch1978 Жыл бұрын

I think a good point is made by making a difference between gender and sex.. and there are many more ways not to confirm to gender-stereotypes.. (Dividing up the world in "masculine" and "feminine" -thing is sth very strange to me, if it is not connected to this role-playing-game about mating..) One Problem I see is this mixing up gender issues with transsexuality, wich is called "Gender dysphoria" - but actually is a sex dysphoria - with a deep need to "correct" the body in direction of the right sex. The differential diagnosis is very hard - because of Gender issues, somtimes very strict ideas about gender or homosexuality, and also sometimes the psychological consequences of sexual harrassment or abuse. Normally subconcious - but all logical: If one preferes same sex partners, it would be easyer to have the opposite sex, and if someone suffers under sexual harrassment or abuse - the idea to get rid of the sex could "solve" this problem, is understandable. Medical treatment and surgery is a treatment for those who really really can`t live with their biological body. It`s nothing nice.. hormons are a risky thing - and this is about hormons in a much higher dose than in oral anticonceptiva.. and they cause irreversible changes of the body.. and surgery - cutting off bodyparts, or trying to construct something that looks like genitals - is also not really a nice thing.. It causes a loss of function - and often to much nerves are cut... This medical treatment is not about "gender", it`s about sex, and it's a treatment you only chose - if there are no other ways, to help someone with a severe disorder. And - it should not be a way to express "I don't give a shit aout your Ideas how I should behave because of my sex" - because there are many other - less harmful -ways to do so. And I think there are also two different discussions about that.. on the one hand a discussion about offering severe medical treatment without a high standard diagnosis, and on the other hand a discussion about privileged college kids, thinking about their lives, gender roles and about pronouns - and not so privileged people who think "Whatever - lucky you, you have the time to think about something like that - i have 3 jobs 4 kids and bills to pay - so do whatever you like, burt do not bother me with your bs" (OK - and in the US you may have this religious fundamentalists, hwo say "This is all against the plan of god, and you will go to hell .." and things like that, we don`t have in Germany - or we have perhaps one or two- but no one really cares, because they ar not in a position of power.. )

@AyakoTachi 9 ай бұрын

something about all of the rocking/swaying

@muffaloaf Жыл бұрын

So, she’s gay. That’s ok

@markphc99 8 ай бұрын

I ‘feel’ that society is going to drop the whole she / he distinction out of sheer exasperation

@phil5569 11 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, I feel like this entire conversation is nothing more than entertaining some level of mental illness. Much of what was said by Cory just doesn’t really make any kind of rational sense.

@TaylorBrain 2 ай бұрын

There’s only two, what’s to discuss?

@salvatoreshiggerino6810 11 ай бұрын

Why is it s*x? If I like writing it with an e in the middle, does that make me a TERF?

@frankenbeans6930 11 ай бұрын

If a man wants to get more jacked on testosterone, because he identifies as hyper masculine, should that also be celebrated?

@punna28 11 ай бұрын

You "transition" when the body parts are chopped off/rearranged.. until then you are just "impersonating". That's how the English language works.

@jamieweeks2120 8 ай бұрын

Are feelings facts?

@jennh2096 11 ай бұрын

This is the exact reason I dont want my kids to go to college now. They might come back as a they/he/she/it and totally detached from reality

@GiovanniRuedaMarketing 5 ай бұрын

How is your relationship with your father?

@michellenicoledelgado1021 Жыл бұрын

Someone got put on blast👀

@thistles Жыл бұрын

Like Cory should like drop out and like be a barista or like something.

@clarkewalker6454 11 ай бұрын

Super cool, hip professor that is very engaging….which is the problem. Professors are paid to educate, not paid to be “cool”. Just my opinion.

@MyNameIsThe_Sun 7 ай бұрын

Lets not pretend as if there isn't social utility and self image attributed to gendered speech.

@dallassegno 5 ай бұрын

Neurological problems create inability to sit still. Schizophrenia comes to mind.

@tombeilharz8931 11 ай бұрын

It seems to me Corey is exploring sex and is leaning toward lesbian. That is sex not gender! She seems like a masculine leaning girl. She does not need a special pronoun to be who she is!

@tawanawalker2473 Жыл бұрын

I thank the Lord that I went to a university that did not feed into this.

@tylerwhitney3443 Жыл бұрын

I went to Oregon State University from 2001-2006, so I just missed the woke indoctrination fervor

@co7013 8 ай бұрын

I almost stoppedwatching because of the annoying music that lasts up to 2:00

@cyberwarlord7363 3 ай бұрын

What happens when you hyper focus on one aspect. Its not that important.

@buddyrevell6369 Жыл бұрын

Why would anyone call you anything other than your name when talking to you? Pronouns are only used when the person in question is not around. So they are trying to force you to change your language when they aren't even present. At this point, the whole thing has jumped the shark, and people are just ignoring each other.

@extremecentrism9796 Жыл бұрын

Um.... the teacher had to use a pronoun with the person sitting right there.

@buddyrevell6369 Жыл бұрын

@Untie Ken Pomo No, he should have used their name since they were present. Which is actually the polite thing to do when the person you are talking about is in the room.

@extremecentrism9796 Жыл бұрын

@@buddyrevell6369 sorry. That's just not how our language works. Imagine this scenario. Ezekiel and Ariande show up to a friend's house. They then tell a story to their friend: Ariande: "Ezekiel took me out on a date. It was wonderful! Ezekiel pulled out this beautiful blanket that Ezekial knitted Eziekielself! Then Ezekiel and I started to get cold. So Ezekiel toook Ezekial's jacket and put it around my shoulder. Ezekial whispered to me, "it'll be okay. Ezekial is here." Then Ezekial gave me a small kiss on the cheek, and Ezekial smiled at me so nicely. I warmed up so much at Ezekial's smile. Ezekial: Yes, that all happened. Friend: Wow, what a great story! Now, that is sooo much to say. And NO ONE will talk like that. I used zero pronouns to refer to Ezekial, and it sounds absurd. Here's a rephrasing using pronouns. Ezekiel took me out on a date. It was wonderful! He pulled out this beautiful blanket that he knitted himself! Then we started to get cold. So Ezekiel took his jacket and put it around my shoulder. He then whispered to me, "it'll be okay. Ezekial is here." Then he gave me a small kiss on the cheek, and he smiled at me so nicely. I warmed up so much at Ezekial's smile. Much better and natural.

@angusmackaskill3035 9 ай бұрын

you either do or do not have a y chromosone

@lembo3572 Жыл бұрын

The professor sounds like an excited kid, "it's so cool", there is nothing cool about mental illness.

@tylerwhitney3443 Жыл бұрын

I respect Buck Angel on this. He champions having a gender dysphoria(disorder). Rather than flipping it around as a virtue. Folks today are terrified of owning any foibles, shortcomings, ailments for what they are. E.g fatphobia

@muffaloaf Жыл бұрын

It’s so cool to have compulsory speech? Wtf

@eliTheGuy05 Жыл бұрын

Cory is a legend

@AZ-kr6ff 10 ай бұрын

It gives me "the ick" to use pronouns that dont align with a persons biology.

@massimosuklan3046 11 ай бұрын

They is just too egocentric... They is "just me" not like weothers...

@bendadestroyer 10 ай бұрын

*"Why do we gotta be feminine or masculine" ... I don't know, why do we have to be black or white. Its genetic, we have two gametes.*

@ncorp2668 6 ай бұрын

He's talking about the social roles, not seggs

@bendadestroyer 6 ай бұрын

Social roles are heavily influenced by male vs female genetics.

@williamerdman4888 Жыл бұрын

This is an "Ick" video.

@williamerdman4888 Жыл бұрын

Highly non-constructive target. A waste of time. The they/he girl has something going on? Androgyny has marked the end of many civilizations

@matthewyeiser3451 9 ай бұрын

This prof, celebrating insanity, claiming he is a teacher.

@leafer3 Жыл бұрын

Uhm, like. Uhm, like. Uhm, like

@eldudarino9579 Жыл бұрын

This professor is walking proof to why college is a complete waiste of money. He wants to be cool 😎 what a joke! Is this class groomer 101?

@unpopularopinionedpariah6102 Жыл бұрын

Rachel Levine on NPR talking bout the importance of "Gender Affirming Care" Something like most people idenftifying as trans are between the ages of 13-17.... 20% of gen z identify as lgbtqiaa+.... it also seems to be clumped in certain areas vs others *Cough liberal cities Cough*............. This is the button the pushes all buttons "Corey". Most people dont care if you do these things after adulthood, but its being pushed on youth who are impressionable and have a natural survival instinct for self preservation to please there peers and adults so they dont get left behind ................ Fighting for Gay rights back in the 80's was different than it is now... they were fighting to not have there clubs raided by FBI.... now what are they fighting for? I just unsubbed from Vaush and ContraPoints b/c they keep bringing up the childhood transitioning... in order for a child to participate in the opposite genders sports they need to take puberty blockers before the age of 13...........Those channels were a way of me trying to stay out of a Echo chamber.....Im still subbed to Destiny and Caleb Maupin.... but i dont agree with their ideologies..... I watch podcasts and these things allllllll day and its mostly right wing stuff. Its Full stop once you Try to transition children. There will be no more rebuking... You rebuke the ones you love. You will knock on the door and i will say "I do not know your name" Dont play it off like its not happening. If you think that YOU ARE IN THE ECHO CHAMBER! I'm not going to post you examples they're all over the place. Fix your damn google searches and stop blaming the "Fox" news boogey man like the left wing main stream corporate comedy shows have indoctrinated generations to think that there's truth in comedy and they're news. They're not news.... Stewart said it himself. He's not news... its comedy. You're being fed 1 side perspective and its almost impossible not to develop a deep seeded animosity towards opposing sides and opinions. Just say "No" to LGBTQ+ in schools with children. ADULTS +1 CHILDREN -1. simple.