I remember seeing a quote from a movie/show a few years ago..... "the problem with going from a soldier to diplomat is you have to listen to somebody you would have shot 2 weeks earlier...." I don't remember the exact show or movie after all this time but it stuck with me.

Ds9 and the bajoran storyline was well ahead of its time.

Star Trek is being Trek when there are no clear answers and explorations of issues that resonate with the present day. Everyone has a side and--as you said--those sides can be both right and wrong at the same time. It really depends on one's perspective.

I loved this arc of DS9, but then again, I loved most of them, and even almost all episodes (move along home comes to mind.) DS9 was, and still is, my favorite series and Sisko is my favorite Captain, as he was a real person, as opposed to an idealized version of a Captain.

Right or wrong, this is the best analytical series on Star Trek lore. This is why I am a member!

The Cardassian conquest of Bajor probably when down somewhat like the Trade Federation's initial taking of Naboo in the SW prequels. Still the events leading up to it and the after math might make for a pretty good mini series.

Bajor's sovereignty ultimately saves them when the Dominion comes

Kira is a better female character than all off the ladies in Discovery save for Number 1

Love this arc of ds9 because we all know that the Cardassian would retake bajor as soon as the federation left the sector

The Circle Trilogy was an early standout for DS9 that could hold its own with the most thoughtful work of TNG. The trilogy also firmly established the "family" dynamics of the main cast.

You do all the sponsorships you need to do. Been listening for years, I don't mind.

I question if the circle was in fact an internal movement to Bajor. We have seen that prior to the fall of the order that the cardissians had a network of spies and sympathizers in place, it would not have taken much for that network to have incited the revolt caused by the circle. Given the Kardashians calm demeanor and willingness to play the long game. I think we can safely assume that cardissian involvement was at a minimum The seed that started the circle.

Oh the distain on Cisco’s face when in the ready room with Picard is priceless! Something tells me he didn’t want to be there. 😉

This is one of those storylines that was so well written at the time and resonates so much today that I'm scared of reading the comments

Wonderful analysis as usual @lorereloaded

Thank you for that LR!

Thanks for the work you put into the channel. I rewatched DS9 because of you.

Please dont stop with the ads your a youtuber people just gotta deal with it honestly, you put the effort in for the videos and you have a family please just do what you gotta do, the people who have an issue are a minority and you can always skip the rage ads if its your kinda thing

Great video these type of stories from ds9 is why I believe this was the best written Star Trek show to date. Plus it's my favorite.

Really good solid work Lore. Re advertising: do what you need to do mate - if some don't enjoy it SURELY they can fast-forward through the ads? In watching your video, a few things come to mind about the show DS9; 1. DS9 was consistently good and more often, brilliant. In my personal opinion, it was Star Trek at it's zenith. 2. I really miss the well considered, constructed and written storytelling of this era of Trek, in particular, DS9. 3. The sets on DS9 were sexy and truly beautiful. Herman Zimmerman and crew excelled themselves on DS9. 4. Generally Trek from this period was smart and intelligent, looking at the social issues and questions of the time in a non-preachy reflexive way. 5. The actors were quality and created truly endearing characters - so much so, I actually know and remember their names! 6. Story came first - everything else organically followed and was designed to support the story. 7. 98% of the time everything made sense and would eventually piece together. This is what I miss about Star Trek. This why I feel heartbroken about the current iterations of Trek. This is why I am left constantly wanting after watching each series of 'modern' Trek. This is why I rail against the current Trek as it continues, seemingly blind to what Trek was and what it should be .... could be. Lore, your work reminds us of the brilliance of Berman's era, whether intentionally or not. You manage this without the slightest reference to current banal, lamentable, shallow Trek of Kurtzman era. Vale Star Trek of yore, I fear it's time is now long gone.

I agree. All sides in this conflict had their merrits and that is why it is so messy. At this time the Bajorans simply weren't used to handle things in a peaceful maner and were desperate for strong leadership. They were so badly looking fro some one to look up to, that they arguably were even unable to take matters in their own hands. The fact, that they put up a provisional governement and the fact that it stays provisional for a very long time speaks volume.

Good timing! Just finished rewatching TNG, and started season 1 of DS9... It truly is an *excellent* Star Trek series! o7

I didn't hate the ad but I did LOL when I got an ad in the middle of you taking about an ad that people hated.

I really like what you do. Insightful, knowledgeable covering interesting topics. I know you need to get money to pay for food and bills with sponsorships. However the reason many hate Raid Shadow legends is mainly because of it's heavy predatory microtransactions and the fact they sponsored everyone for a time and some exposed the way they demand how a KZfaqr should advertise it.

When you called people on Bajor influencers, all i could think of is, " hey guys its your boy Jaro Essa telling you about the hit new game Raid Shadow legends". ( You do all the sponsor spots you need mate , no skin of my nose)

When is the next livestream? Your most recent ones have been too late for me in the UK. 🙂

Sponsor away amigo ....it's clear the time you're putting in making world class content.

If the Cardassian takeover had occurred "with relatively no resistance" Bajor would probably still have considerably more major infrastructure than we see in the show. Fifty years after the take-over, Cardassians were having Bajorans mine ore with picks and shovels and processing ores on orbiting space-stations rather than in smelting plants on the surface. As we see from characters like Iden in Voyager, Ro Laren in TNG and Major Kira and Leeta in DS9 - any relationship with a Bajoran that DOESN'T end with a "mutual" break-up tends to end in a violent death for one or both parties.

There were a number of episodes which presented a thoughtful approach to the show, with some excellent story arcs. This makes for episodes which can be watched and re-watched, in stark contrast to STD and Pickard which are (in my view) wholly unwatchable.

Another excellent episode, I am surprised though that you did not draw any parallels to Afghanistan or Iraq or Israel in this episode.

first, well done vid

I honestly didn't mind the Raid promo. Yeah, they're everywhere, and overexposure can lead to a lot of "oh great, _this_ again" reactions, but there's something refreshing hearing someone talk about a product they genuinely like. Maybe the enthusiasm makes it feel less like a sales pitch, or the not-just-doing-this-for-a-paycheck perspective encourages a less-cheesy delivery. Whatever that extra element is, it's definitely there, and I appreciate it. Squire's channel does promos well too, though in different ways. He started out mostly doing machinima, but expanded to live-action skits a few years ago, and sets up smaller secondary acts for the promo. I would be a little surprised if he didn't have at least some formal training in film as well; maybe that trained eye is what makes the difference.

I don't mind your raid ads

My opinion, should the Bajorian people want to be fully independent? Yep. However the timing was not right for it. They still needed the Federation to protect them from the Cardassians and all other potential threats to Bajor. Their economy and their infrastructure were not too long ago were destroyed by the Cardassian Occupation. They needed outside help in order for them to get back on their feet, whether or not they wanted to admit it.

starfleet wasn't wrong in their withdraw, by retreating and announcing bajoran neutrality they minimized civilian casualties while retreating to a more advantageous position where they couldn't be flanked by cardassians as easily. its never a great decision to give up, especially when it breaks the promises that were made, but no amount of military power could really change the political situation

It's much easier to destroy trains then keep them running on time.

Thats why i always thought the cardi support to be a convinient plot device to kill off that plot thread. The Grievances in the bajoran People that gave Rise to the Circle in the first Place would be still in place regardless the public Figures voicing said concern are compromised or not

For the most part, paid sponsorships aren't what rub us the wrong way. It's certain sponsors, like Raid and Audible.

You can show us any ads to pay the bills

Hey! You make the content you add the Ads! I think your Patreon offer is more than fair. So thanks for the videos...

Why does this kinda feel a little how things are going in the real world

It sounds like the US withdrawal from Vietnam and the middle east combined... and the Syrian withdraw had happened almost 30 years after this episode was filmed... the Iraq and Afghanistan withdrawal had not happened yet.

07:33 damn

Why... Why do people complain about Adds anyway? Its 2021, yeah? Heard of 'Add-Blockers'? They literally have no Negative Side-Effects whatsoever. ...Why are they not Standard?

Really paid sponsorships arent bad, Raid is. Go get that raycon or surkshark latium.

Lakers!

If it was The American Federation of Planets they would be right in there supplying the Bajorans weapons and supplies at a cost of course.

Why people hate on paid sponsorships? owo

i was from kebajoran jakarta lol

Sadly that sounds like a lot what’s going on nowadays with politics and religion in this country so sad

I don't remember any of this...

"What gives them the right to vandalize our station." 😡 He is rightfully irritated,

Did you just blackmail your audience 😂 Live long and PROSPER.

I am on disability and actually at poverty level. I can never be on patreon. I do not mind ads like raid Shadow Legends at all. In fact I really do not mind ads unless they are extreme. Example there was a dog food ad that was 45 minutes long.

I am of the mindset that we all DESERVE something but that often sounds like entitlement regardless if you are the victim or not. The truth is the universe is a cold hearted place and you don't deserve anything simply because you were pitiful

"Fighting was easy, governing was harder" sums up the whole "revolutionary" experience. As a side note, some of this story reminds me of how the Jugoslavian union careened toward civil war in the '90s. It all started with a bunch of nationalist buffoons that "nobody with a brain woukd take seriously"...

IF you have Adds, why not for IOS Guardian Tales? Thats literally Quality-Rank-One.

Yes bellow 121 views

People were complaining about raid because the game is terrible and a money grab.

Brother... who the fuq cares if you have ads? dude, you make this entertainment for us. I, for one, appreciate it. there are triggered fricking people here who are opining about Raid and how they do business? i.e. "physiologically manipulative mechanics" Get the fuq over yourself little dude. Let this man earn a little money to support him and his kids. Lore, I dont skip your ads and when one comes on I go get a snack or take a leak so you get the "full view" and the pennies that entails. Keep it up. You're doing the Prophets work ;) HAHA

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I understand some Bajoran's need to be independent but this idea they have that the European Union, uh, I mean the Federation is some kind of threat is absurd. The Union, sorry, the Federation is not a threat to their individual sovereignty!

Just dont do raid we take all your money if u want to compete

the Disney tron legacy's large computer and laser, which suddenly digitizes and downloads Sam into the Grid with Sam sells it for money to the federal government With everything was found on earth in the future Union teams had been amazing to be Building an second unit Cross-linking it creating the Union installation first generation transporter within the orville vessel with the kids of the orville had been looked at technologies from Kevin Flynn, who was promoted to CEO of ENCOM International getting stuck in the orville computer with problems appear John LaMarr & Issac found the kids in the orville computer core! ( Admiral I digitizer the kids episode title)

Love the stuff buddy, but don't lie about R:SL. IT's bullshit.

Never have understood why it costs so much money to run low to medium-tier channels. I've made videos on KZfaq and it's cost me literally nothing but my time. Is it to allow the content creators to quit their day jobs? Equipment? What, exactly? And I'm not ragging on anyone, I seriously don't understand the economics of the situation.

0:30 Does Jake think that people didn't sail before the 1500s? Does Sisko agree? Does the writer agree? What the actual hell.

To be entirely honest with you, I don't believe your audience has trouble with you having Sponsors to support your channel. It's just that "Raid : Shadow Legends" has garnered somewhat of a bad reputation with us hardcore gamers ( read back then as hardcore nerds ) as we can clearly see the physiologically manipulative mechanics in the game quite easily. It kinda of pisses us off to see soulless corporations messing with our hobby. I just use the "L" button to quickly skip past if the AD read is boring. I will "ALWAYS" watch Count Dankula's AD read of "Raid : Shadow Legends" because he is just that entertaining.

Just can't get into DS9...however excellent reviews like this encourage me giving it another shot. That said, it's a huge improvement over Enterprise, The cringe theme + annoying and effeminate Brit = unwatchable. Nothing wrong with effeminate .... loved Scott Thompson on the Larry Sanders Show for example.

Keep doing sponsorships just no more raid shadow legends its on every KZfaq channel and it soooo annoying

OMG the Ad time was greater than the video run time.

I am fine with paid sponsorships (though not Raid, really gives the impression you are shilling for a POS game and company). You actually liking Raid has used up all your credibility

This sounds a lot like today’s politics. Incessant screaming, scheming, maneuvering, factionalism, and toadying. Nothing but half baked ideas and hate for anything you don’t agree with. Sounds like 2020/21 politics to me. I don’t like the adds for it because every channel I watch has adds for it. Plus while it looks good it’s still another pay to win mobile game.

I was always a little disappointed that Kyra and Benjamin never became a couple. Kyra was such a great character and for her to waste her time on Odo was a real shame. And Benjamin, possibly the best Star Trek captain ever, deserved better than the bland and pointless woman he ended up with. I always thought it would be interesting, that after Benjamin finally earned Kyra's respect and friendship, if Kyra had to figure out how to deal with the fact that her BF [Benjamin so we are clear] is a central religions figure to her and her people. Instead she ends up with a Authoritarian, almost emotionless, jerk. And Benjamin ends up with a boring and forgettable woman, who he has little in common with. Except that she looked somewhat like his dead wife, which is creepy in my opinion.

No one actually likes Raid Shadow Legends 🤣

the more you try to justify shilling for money, the more respect i lose for you, the more vehemently i push the dislike button

I invite my fellow Trekkers to enjoy a completely free novel. Just Google Star Trek Lost Destiny.