The fact that ANY art contest would have a panel of judges without atleast ONE artist on the panel.... is genuinely depressing to me.

Kids mostly buys the Pokémon cards

@@DLAXTOX and kids deserve better.

That's simply not true. On their official rules page, it lists the judges for the contest. In addition to the President of TPCi and a few Directors of the TCG, there are members of the Illustration team, Art Design Team, Art Director, Senior Art Director, four names Illustrators, and a special judge, the National Craft Museum Director. To say that "non artists" are judging this contest is simply untrue, and a quick scroll through the official rules page disproves that claim.

@@ashefauxe3369 Several members of the judging team are artists. Check the official rules for the contest.

its cause of yesterdays video 😅

TRUEEE, ai image users really should be put to shame so they stop doing these scummy practices

At this point making fun and roasting AI artists is an art form itself Like oh hey watch me put this AI bro to shame with professor grammar, eerily dramatic poetry and peak comedy

Yep, but ai steal arts from someone else/other artist, so technically we making fun of the original artist. How ai steal? Well Idk how to explain, but i once don't know anything about ai and i wanted to try, so i put my drawing to the ai And.... boom! Ai steals my art!

To be fair plenty of people will just haphazardly throw out the "your art looks AI" accusation because they don't fully understand what makes it look like AI. Even then, that can be really damning for new artists. I think it's good she made sure she wasn't giving people the wrong impression. It's important to remind people to keep nuance in mind. Plus this is clearly meant to be a teaching moment, so...yeah. gotta be an effective teacher.

Mmhm

You realize that just means ai is as good or better than a lot of "artists" 😆

​@spidernoir9845 no it itsnt better than a lot of artists because it still has imperfections and let's not forget ai art generators steal from other artists art😐

​@spidernoir9845 The whole point of competition was to create a chance for artists to have their art placed on a card. if they wanted to have just a cool artwork, they would hire an artist.

@@spidernoir9845 Ummmmm probably because the system was purposefully fed the work of specific, legendary artists to mash together ? You shlt on real artists AS IF AI imagery-cobbling would even EXIST without these people who were ROBBED. Stuld sIut.

Correction: Artificial Rendered Image

It does look great

@@DLAXTOX Yeah, AI generated images look "great"...until you actually look closely and realize "Hold up, some things don't look right, here"

@@LittleParody that's expect if we are looking for a particular art method or style. it gets the idea across perfectly and that is, what matters🤷🏿‍♂🤷🏿‍♂

@@JArt872 AI images are Generated, not rendered. there is a huge difference between Generation and Rendering. Generated images comes from Noise and algorithms. Rendered (or image syntesis) images comes from 2d or 3D modelated simulators that turn them into photo realistic or non realistic images.

@@DLAXTOX might as well call yourself a chef when you put a frozen dinner in the microwave. Yes it's still "food" but you are no "chef" for microwaving a frozen dinner.

I've always been very specific in referring to AI Generated images as images or imagery, rather than as art. "AI art" is just a misleading term, It implies artistry, it assumes effort that wasn't there.

​@@DLAXTOX that would've been a good comparison if you were actually cooking something. You aren't. You're making the equivalent of instant ramen or microwave hamburger. You're simply typing in words/numbers to have the machine do it for you. You would be more akin to a client than anything.

@@DLAXTOX The word you're looking for is "chef," and no, telling a robot to make dinner for you doesn't make you one.

​@@DLAXTOX It's not. There is no skill, effort, or talent involved in typing words into a box, nor is there anything "artistic" about a computer algorithm scumming google and other image sources, taking multiple images that it doesn't even have permission to use, and slapping pieces of them together into a soulless amalgamation of pixels to make something vaguely resembling "art". AI generated imagery is not art, and people who type words into a generator are not artists. Your comparison to cooking also falls horrendously short, as has already been pointed out.

Damn thats cold

So real

"I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes," ~Joanna Maciejewska

The thing is pokemon tcg art contest allows non digital art forms to be submitted in which psds can be impossible

​@@lochelcyanide639 Take progress photos then. If you are doing a painting, take a photo at the halfway mark. If you are doing a clay figure, take a photo of the base shape before you start adding details. It can be doable.

That’s the thing though, ai art can very realistically replicate progress photos now which means they’d just sneak by again anyway.

conventions ask for progress pictures AND speedpaint, with also your layers to be sure it's not ai

​@@lochelcyanide639 is easier to prove something isn't AI when is traditional, because you can take photos of weird angles

AI "art" should be banned everywhere

Ai should be banned globally and be a violation of a Geneva convention

@@Ekraelum yes! It’s considering bc people have died bc of Ai nude images

@@June_doesarts died? tf?

I heard about people unaliving themselves because of this

Exactly, they are Ai images not art.

Dont play semantics you get what they mean

@@derpkipper dont care.

thank you, yes

@@bearswagger150 nor do we. but you all get up in arms an whine alot so maybe.. you do care?

FUK YEAH POKEMON TAKE THIS IDEA AS A DIEHARD POKEMON FAN ID PAY TO SEE THAT

Omg that actually is a really cool idea. Obviously in the context of here it’s “oh, we’re exposing “ai artists””, but it would also be a way to engage with the community more directly with a joint livestream. Maybe even go all the way and let them show up on stage with official pokemon artists and have like a joint art piece as a memorabilia of the event.

I can see the AI user type into their programm 😂 "cute pikachu sitting on a tree" and that's it hahaha

dont call them artists, call them AI Bros or AI Douchebags

"nice I love the Eevee drawing you just did, now draw a hisuian zorua"

Same

Haven't there been retroactive disqualifications / revocations before?

even if it wasn’t AI simply going over the entry limit should get them disqualified at this point, thats whats really getting me even non-artist judges can look at these names an go “wait…🤨”

True but I'm curious how many Other entries are AI. I'm thinking the only reason Vigo here was caught, was because Real artist's spotted the AI pieces and realized a Deja Vu moment multiple times with the name similarities. So there's probably other scammers on there that submitted the 3 pieces, but are actually AI pieces. Also, are Actual artist's of the PTC company analyzing over these submissions or is it Also AI "checking" the artwork/AI pieces? Like how KZfaq has AI "checking" reported videos and comments and nothing Actually gets done about a problem. 😑

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Lmao you are just bothered that people are chosing ai art over something someone like you would make, most people wouldn't know or care that that's ai

​@@spidernoir9845 skilless individual spotted

@@swagalicious2449 yeah, you :p considering you are probably not good enough to be an artist, not good enough to use an ai and not even good at saying something witty 😂

@@spidernoir9845 okay? Man why are you even here. You don’t even draw like this is so pathetic

@@spidernoir9845 literally anyone ever can use an AI shut the fuck up

Ah ALSO it's likely that "Weihang Ye"'s submissions with the sleeping pikachus are AI so it's not 6 slots being stolen but EIGHT

They probably made even more accounts and submitted even more pictures under different names.

yeah ugh it's so frustrating! i showed some artists pieces and they clearly looked so thought out and detailed and must've taken so long...and then there's this guy ;-;

I feel like people also don't understand that those people actually steal from others because an AI only functions with input (input from other drawings of other artists). So this person wasn't actually just violating the rules and taking away price money from actual artists, they actually scammed with stolen art which, in my opinion, is just unfair and disgusting. Use it for personal stuff, I don't care about that but don't make it commercial or call yourself an "artist" with stolen art.

I spent months as well working on stuff. I didn’t have time to finish and gave up on it, glad I didn’t waste my time and I certainly won’t enter any in the future.

@@mrs.quills7061 I'd love to enter in the future, but only if TPCi acknowledges this issue and actively works to make sure it doesn't happen in the future. Which let's be real, they probably won't.

i mean if ai art is beating legit artists whenthere is so much to criticize that says alot. A good artist should have no issue creating something better than ai. Now while i agree they should be banned and ai art has no place in competitions and should be watermarked its crazy that its on top lol. While i thought the AI art did look awesome there is so much better art that didnt make it that i would vote for. Imo these contests should be voted on byy the people instead of judges and stuff like this would be spotted.

That’s why some companies in Japan will ask artists for analog artworks that way they can be certain that the artist can actually draw. There are even some companies that require you to draw on spot. Same goes for art university. You are literally required to draw its part of the exam.

@@linboh2664 Oh yeah, I know. Going to an art university right now actually! It's pretty infuriating to see some of the teachers there promoting this AI stuff

@@Vipadra I’m in an art school as well not university but it’s a lot more tech focused with us learning 3d CG, video editing, photoshop, photography, programming, and etc. Yes teachers do encourage us to use AI but more as a tool to help us do things more efficiently helping us cut time down on unnecessary but time consuming tasks. But beyond that they don’t recommend using AI. Also AI art is pretty easy to spot for a professional artist even non artists can point out certain disfigurement like the infamous AI hands for example. I also wanted to use some artworks as reference and looked up on SNS only to find an AI illustration that literally did not make any sense anatomy wise. I tried tracing the artwork to try and figure out the logic behind it only to realize that there was none.

They don't request upon submission. What they do is request when they are doing the final rounds of judging. The reason is because the working file shows a lot with process, and basically shows a lot of the "secrets" to how they work (if there are any), plus other things such as assets that can be ripped off and used elsewhere. You don't typically offer these things up without some type of an exchange/benefit. The fewer people contests do this to, the better. WiP layer screenshots are a bit more common for preliminary checks if someone is trying to lay accusations of stealing someone else's work, but that's when you get things like social media and forums for people to start flinging mud around

​@@linboh2664AI illustrations aren't discouraging for people in art school because it's used in said art school. They're discouraging for people in art school because it's basically like going to school to be a telephone operator or attendant at a full service gas station.

the true ai poison

yea it's actually pretty funny

these were drawn by a person, not the ai itself

Your eevee was so edible ngl

Lol thanks!

I LOVED IT!!! It was so cute!!

Eevee was adorable!!

It's beautiful! I really like how well the fuzz is drawn especially on the pillow

Agreed! I’m not super into the DCG (my only card is a Guilmon I got at a shop with my brother because it’s my favorite Digimon), but seeing adorable card art online like Meicoomon and Morphomon makes me appreciate cozier artwork. I’ve always loved the cuter looking cards, and I remember back around Gen 6, there would be cards with little charms on the side with the description at the bottom telling a little story from the Pokémon’s perspective. That Eevee should’ve gotten in! It could’ve fit with those so well (if they still do those)!

I play the DCG on and off and focus on the PTCG, but the absolute quality of the card art in the DCG is insane! Pokémon sure has stepped up their game these past few years but the people at digimon are not playing. Stunning card after stunning card

exactly! I like art because theres someone behind it. It’s enjoyable to look at the art because you can actually dissect the artists choices and style, and understand why they would draw certain things a certain way. Its enjoyable because you can see and know the amount of work that goes into it. And often times they will share their work in progresses etc which i love The years of practice and observation it takes to even do a simple sketch is what makes it art Ai art is so soulless

I also like to say that current AI algorithms don't strictly know what anything "is" so much as what it "looks like", because for the most part they are _explicitly_ getting trained on finished results.

Exactly

Yep

just a question in this scenario : would you rather do complex math by writing out lines one by one to 'show your work', or by using a calculator that will give you a roughly correct answer in 5 seconds? I would say both, why deny the calculator? Even if you're trying to get the 'perfect answer' and can't trust the calculator, it can still be useful in the process. There seems to be a lot of misplaced hate towards the 'ai' and its users imo.

No, it's worse than that. These are two symptoms of the same crime: a crime against humanity.

Those detectors are not completely accurate; in fact they're often inaccurate, and lots of real, legitimate artists have been dogpiled now because people just run a thing through Hive and go "Oh, okay, that's true then."

Nah cuz I put my art through one and it said it was ai💀 those things inaccurate

Ya i have seen art i know was not ai get caught by those things and art that was ai not get caught

Absolutely not, ai companies also own those.

While I agree, I've seen actual artists put their art through AI detectors and it comes out as a positive--because people used their art to train models :') sadly it won't do much

Would be the best way, true! Because getting offended by this and only yell on YT about it, will not change anything

They probably still would have caught on anyway, I for one got a weird vibe from the artstyle, and that's when I typically do AI checks.

I think most people can tell from a glance if something is suspicious. I'm at best an amateur artist (wouldn't even call myself that). But there is just an uncanny look to AI art.

these would definitely have been caught, they just look too ai, but unfortunately, even now i’m wondering if other ai arts under a different name made it in 🥲 the ones ive looked at look amazing and very human at least!

For a layman, there are lot of ways to prove an AI. - Check if the fingers digits are correct - Check if there are obviously disjointed lineart somewhere despite the level of polish of the image - Check if some parts melds or melts into each other like hair or clothes. - Check for pattern seizures, where repeated patterns forced to places it shouldn't belong - Check for pixelated artifacts, artists tends to use the same tool and method across an image so it shouldn't have weird QR codes or mosaic censors over a gradient - Check if the formatting is weird. I spotted a japanese artist where they did well on the image photobashing but screwed making a rectangular magazine format where it blends and diffuses as AI does it - Check for patterns and it's center of mass/vocal point. I seen AI did well on mimicking floral patterns but failed on structuring it like a flower should, having a flower core and petal convergence. - Check for composition. An artist took creative liberties but not to an extent making it literally practically impossible to mimic. One example from the famous Willy Wonka scam House of Illuminati, the banquets in their reference are physically impossible to navigate or to enjoy or to physiologically imagine to attend. - Check for background character anatomy. Artist do skip these because it's not an object of focus, but not to a degree it's monstrously anatomically incorrect. - Check for periphery objects. Outside object of focus, AI tried to mimic how Artists reduces or mutes the side objects, but it comes with the expense of diffusing the vocal point and destroyed gradation. - The easiest of all is their background check. If they appear out of nowhere and have no credit or signs of throwaway account, it's AI. If they do have credits or referrals or backlog of links to their portfolio including their previously bad drawings, it's and Artist. Artists watches each others back. Words spread. It's something AI bros never understand or willing to accept with their "DiSrUpT ThE MaRkEt" agenda. I seen it myself during my IT university years. It's revolting.

@@defaulted9485 make this person check every art contest please

It's like using steroids in sports or a motorcycle in the tour de france

yep. ai is fun to screw around with. sometimes it’s funny. but when you use it to scam and deceive people, you’re straight up just a loser.

Problem is that using ai image generators even for personal use still harms artists and enables art and image theft and copyright infringement. You're still telling the developers you want to use their image generation service and therefore you're okay with them wasting water, stealing images and ignoring copyright laws "because ai fun hehe" (it's literally their argument in court, while people are losing their jobs and scammers are thriving)

@@eileencrys shit you’re right. honestly i was kinda only thinking about the realistic looking ai stuff

​@@eileencrysokay but idc about this shitshow enough to stop generating images of mario in the mafia, sorry

i agree, but i think the content of this video (and her other videos) are very accurate. as a professional artist, she has a lot of experience that is helpful in spotting ai, *AND* she emphasizes that only with multiple examples of ai-esque mistakes or tells are you able to say with certainty that an image is ai generated. duchess celestia has a great video (how to spot ai art) about this that i think you might be interested in

When submitting work ppl need to start including wips, ai can’t replicate the stages in a way that makes sense

@@lit_kzh Ya I think at best these are edge cases of either assisted works or works from popularly sampled artists. I myself am okay at identifying faked images but I also don't put much stock into it unless there's meta evidence (multiple works, past history, no history, etc.) And worst comes to worst I as a casual observer can just block anything that even remotely seems like it was fake and move on.

@@Yokolite94 Nah they can fake those too. You can directly generate (either officially in Adobe or unofficially in other products) and save as a workfile or just keep the generation to the invisible planning stages. That's honestly the worst part of this all. Not only is it antithetical to the creative process, but you can camo it in so many ways that this is going to be a new entry in the tech sector Whack-a-mole-a-thon.

@@RobertStoll ai art generation is so disappointing. on one hand, i'm excited to see it grow and become more accurate, more useful to artists, more fun, etc. on the other hand, i detest its affect on literally everything it touched after the first dall-e demos, and i hate that its profitable and is both devaluing artists and taking away their opportunities. overall i think its a huge net negative to human creativity and it seems to only get worse, i can only hope for a better future

There's another vaporeon that looks to be in the same style in another eevee picture that is under a different name as well

eevee paw laser beam move

I don't believe it's accurate to claim that AI generators necessarily generate results "from" their training datasets (as in, from any _specific_ example), but due to the sheer scale of computations involved (on both the pre-training AND generative ends alike) it's almost impossible to semantically "decode" how the computational network actually generates anything specific.

@@Stratelier They're essentially doing advanced photobashing using points that are recognized as "eye", "nose", mouth", "hair", etc, with various tags. Imagine if I fed you a crapton of Minecraft custom item model code, and you don't get to see it in engine, I just tell you "this worked" or "this didn't work", and you basically learn from trial and error that this bit of code makes XYZ wider, that one makes it taller, this other one is a rotation point. You'll never actually know what the heck you spit out, just if someone is happy with the numbers you gave them, or which numbers they didn't want, with a huge reference of OTHER number sets that get called something like "Baglorble" and "Rirituly"-- you don't understand the language OR what your numbers look like to someone else, you just understand that when someone asks for a baglorble with a rirituly-shaped shothrat, you need to put this set of numbers on that set of numbers (after removing a few numbers that are associated with "shothrat"). That's how machine learning does image recognition and spits out more images.

​@@Stratelier that's generally, in this case they traced out a real vaporeon fanart to put in the background.

There's also a very good chance it's traced, the artist whose art was traced posted their Vaporeon art and the AI one is near identical in pose and linework (but worse looking)

⁠@@zoruasnivy I saw that post yeah! It was near identical to their work, really disheartening to see because their Vaporeon art is really cute :(

art is to be witnessed, not to be drawn. no one cares if you lose job

@@f0kes32 and no one will care if you lose yours either

@@theawsomehawk2749 i know

@@f0kes32 you mad weird lmaooo saying you basically want artists to lose ur job cuz u have no skills

​@@f0kes32 who says no one cares? they are a lot of artists an other people that care a lot and are exposing people who abuses the use of ai and making tools of recognition of ai art and to protect artist drawings from it. Also why being rude with people that are doing nothing wrong?

There are definitely cases where it's not plausible. For certain physical competitions you can make a physical print of the digital artwork, much like how with online competitions you _necessarily_ must submit a digital copy (scan/photo) of an otherwise physical artwork.

Fakers will fake that as well, I've seen everything. (Scams have been an issue before AI, too.) We should just judge the art based on genuine artistic criteria and have good artists in the jury. Then actual quality will win.

exactly!! its just a ton of extra work

I was hoping to find this in the comments😂

Ashley Khachadoorian: I was at Pearl Harbor Trisha: Your AI images gave everyone a Pearl Harbor!

Yo I immediately saw that

She's a pencil! She's a Swizzle Stick! You can use her as a pool noodle! And now I'm holding up her arms!! ARMS!!!

Barbie doll anatomy

The problem is, there isn't just one program that makes AI images, there are many, and they would hardly do that, and it's very unlikely that any big AI company will do that either, they end up losing customers

Fire them into the sun.

Specially people who use AI and try to pass it as handmade one. If you want to create AI without gaining money and more of a curiosity putting the prompts , well, whatever. As long as you don't consider yourself at the same level as actual artists and you support them somehow. But they tried to win a contest using that. You didn't do it, it was a machine and machines can't compete with real people, it's demented. I saw dudes saying that actual artists are dumb for doing art and that we all should get erased and replaced with AI instead of being a tool or another medium (like it happened with digital art, since traditional artists still exist and they are well recognised and appreciated). They are one of the worst types of AI bros

Art is so fun :-) if you do give it a go i hope you enjoy it

I think this is the prompters actual style. They just used an AI filter to "render" their artwork. I have seen some random guy's channel who posted his "process" who did exactly that

@filiprafaelcichonski2948 I wish I could link the account but it'll get deleted. But the artist for the Vaporeon made a tweet saying their art was stolen for AI and they never entered the contest.

the luvdisc trying to kts was pretty funny tho

wait that's so true omg T_T

Or at least showing WIP or pencil sketches for poof I know some softwares like Porcreate have a speed draw feature

@@thegiftedfire3470 the issue is what they're supposed to do if those sketches are created by tracing though. Without seeing the WHOLE thing be made, there's no way of knowing for sure

I mean the ai kinda ate 😭not the cheater

​@@sc0tty_dog.The way it didnt

​@@sc0tty_dog.The ai ate what? Shit?

@@Cuyite can y’all relax 💀 it’s not perfect drawings but I didn’t realise I was in the presence of an art master cause If you think some of the flaws it made was bad try looking at regular people’s art like 💀

@@princeapoopoo5787 can y’all relax 💀 it’s not perfect drawings but I didn’t realise I was in the presence of an art master cause If you think some of the flaws it made was bad try looking at regular people’s art like 💀

AI generators maybe

They wouldn't if those artists were good, the only people that are bothered about ai are the ones that are mediocre and try to feel better by saying they put "effort" on their art

​@@spidernoir9845 what?

@@twist_ending7545 it's very easy to get what I said :p just put some of the effort that you don't use on your bad art and you'll be able :)

@@spidernoir9845 and are you trying to feel better by calling them mediocre and bringing people down?