Probably a lot more humble, since no one is perfect.

I expect Dawa v 5.0.3 may be worth a look.

This made me laugh for a good full couple of minutes, this is my favorite comment I've seen in a long while. Cheers!

Imperfect dawah is basically Daniel "Stop telling me I can't violate your human rights and murder queer people" Haqiqatjou

It's a true statement, just a dishonest one.

I think it's more complicated than that. It's denial. When people are so convinced of their religion, they just can't see an error even when it's in front of their noses. Admitting it should shatter their faith, and their mind are resisting too much to accept it. It's like watching a poor written movie. Normal people will find hole in the plots. Fanatics will always a crazy justification so things are still holding up in their mind.

The entire book is error

Every obvoius error you point out, is morphed and interpreted with word-Kung Fu so long, until it‘s apparently explained away. Example: The earth clearly was not made in 6 days. Muslim: „Yeah but the word X can not only stand for ‚day‘ but for any time period, so it‘s not en error.“ Oookay, but then the phrase is empty of content. If anything can mean anything (as these apologies always work out) , then its an empty message.

​@@locococo7362 Are you trying to say, that Star Wars if better than Star Trek😱

don't do it, you can get killed in a very slow and painful way.

@@robertoboehler-blumenau-sc8818 is that a threat?

​@@suleymanbabak1973I think they're showing concern because muslims don't treat ex muslims well (I am only talking about muslims not islam if any muslim sees this and goes to correct me to not assosiate islam with muslims)

@@suleymanbabak1973seemed more like a sincere word of caution. Pointing out a risk isn’t a threat, you need to relax.

To me it seems Muslim apologetics are 50 years behind Christians and Christian apologetics are just 50 years behind.

Islam didn't have much apologetics until recently. You can't chop everyone's head over the internet. So they just started with apologetics.

@@brazenbull36 How recently would you consider recently? People have been debating Islam for well over a century ago. However, it wasn't very common as it mostly predated commercial flights, and so the world was a lot more segregated in terms of how far people would normally travel, and it was limited how far you could travel and still communicate with your family back home. In short: There simply weren't all that many Muslims in Europe and North America back then. But we did see figures such as Bertrand Russel make commentary on Islam.

@@Thor.Jorgensen In your face criticism of Islam is very recent, thanks to the internet. Bertrand Russell’s criticism has 0 effect on Muslims around the world. In no Muslim majority country to this date you can criticize islam publicly. You have to use anonymity of the internet. And obviously the apologetic sucks.

​@@brazenbull36 Criticism of Islam has been around since the emergence of Islam. As has criticism of Christianity been around since the emergence of Christianity. What you're saying simply isn't true. And whether or not it affects Muslims is irrelevant. Does this video affect Muslims? Probably not. I guarantee you that more than 99.999% of Muslims will never see this video or the debate, let alone your comments. Bertrand Russell was a much bigger deal, but the effect? Again, it is irrelevant. Bertrand Russell also wasn't some anonymous figure, far from it, he was known far and wide. He did not fear beheading. To say that there was no criticism of Islam before the internet because people feared beheading is nonsense.

And the verse on how (not) to beat your wife is a more life saver than something on curing diseases.

u inTerPret it WrOnG pbuh pbuh!

@@temmaxtemma9570 _"And the verse on how (not) to beat your wife is a more life saver than something on curing diseases."_ And it's very precise and unambiguous. All scholars, without any exceptions, agree that, if you suspect that your wife might not spread her legs for you, you have to tap her with a small twig, like a long bow, or a maple baseball bat. Not aluminium. Aluminium is not a twig. Allah is wise and merciful. And don't hit the face, because you don't want people to ask questions. Social cohesion is the 1st priority. That is also why you publicly execute people who threaten that by being gay or stealing a bread. And that is also why knowing how to beat your wife is more important than curing a disease.

@@temmaxtemma9570 Oh let's not forget the best one. Allah who created the universe and lived for billions of years Is triggered by a mere human a mortal. and dedicates an entire chapter insulting him and his wife (can't find the verse probably just hadith so take it with a grain of salt) And how to deal with fights starting after donkey pisses

​@@MetalMustBleed maybe you are talking about the last revealed chapter. Dunno it's been a while since i ve read that shitty book

Billion years from now what will your life matter? So nothing you do in your life matters.

Islam is still very much in the mindset that it has absolute power, unlike Christianity that lost a lot of its power during the enlightenment era and thus, had to grow up. Its arguments are still shit of course, but it has to at least take into account getting pushback, while in Islams center of power, they can still chop off your head if you question the religion. It doesnt help that they somehow managed to convince everyone that anyone who questions their death cult is racist.

Muslim speaking to an atheist: "But christianity does bad things too!" You really have to hold them by their hand and guide them through the steps, it's unreal.

It’s not just that they think people in western countries will be afraid to debate them. It’s that in their own cultures, questioning the Quran is not tolerated. Christianity has been subject to logical critique for a good 300 years in the West, so Christians have had a lot of practice trying to come up with arguments to defend it. It still doesn’t work very well, but there has been a lot of effort put into it. In most of the Muslim world, it would be a very bad move to start openly saying the things Matt says in the video. Some places by law, other places just by the social consequences. But there are major barriers to critiquing Islamic belief in the Islamic world. So they don’t have practice defending a critique by logic.

Jewish and Islamic yes...also yes Sikhs and Buddhists ...and so there are prejudices but also Hindus. Many have such bs but to compete the bs...then political white nationalists christian and atheist the same though yes there is bs. So extremist cult likeness is a thing from all sides besides the cult child abuse ignored ...to say every thing is blasphemy is a thing but hypocritical bs also. Ah asch conformity to extremist bs no matter.

​@@willmosse3684 not really I have several times. It is the how you do things but most really do not get how debate or logical fallacies work. Also smart about the when and how is not a common thing world wide. Ah humanity...

Urk, that horror story. The totalitarian state with intentional indoctrination, stifling of creativity, and mass cullings of the population. The moment the warrior class notices they live in poverty compared to their foreign equivalents, they will turn to brutality and extortion. Machiavelli had an interesting argument against warrior castes.

@@Duchess_Van_Hoof I don’t think the OP was claiming to agree with the prescriptions of Plato’s Republic. Simply noting that utopian ideals have existed since long before the time of Mohammed. I wouldn’t want to live in Mohammed’s version of a utopia either.

@@willmosse3684 I don't think that the Duchess would agree with Machiavelli on much either, or at least I hope she wouldn't, although as it seems a lot of people still agree with many ancient philosophers whose arguments can easily be debunked by a modern 6 yo with a spare minute to think things through. But you're right, it's not exactly on topic. What is on topic is that some Jews in the same area wrote down some rules they adopted from (folklore from) earlier civilizations to achieve a utopia and that was thousands of years before Muhammed did. So we have written down records of people who Muhammed interacted with who had already done what Muhammed was supposedly unable to do and know. Granted, Muhammed was supposedly illiterate and there's a chance that all Jews born between 300 and 500 were all mute and born without muscles, so who knows, maybe all that knowledge was completely unavailable to Muhammed. I wasn't there to witness any of it.

LMAO

When you were a Muslim, did you subscribe to PD's interpretation?

@@Nocturnalux Some of it was presented to me, mostly post-hoc junk. I was never satisfied with any of it and I have been an atheist since 1996.

@@NocturnaluxI can answer that (ex Muslim atheist here) and hell to the no. Every scholar I learned from accepted the hadiths from Bukhari. One of the first things I learned was that Muhammad split the moon. Hamza Yusuf, respected Muslim scholar, has admitted Muhammad married Aisha at 6 and consummated it at 9. He gives as defense that if we accept that Hadith why don’t we accept other hadiths in Bukhari where a tree the prophet leaned on moaned after he stopped leaning on it, during his sermons. Still gross, just because a man can perform miracles to an audience does not mean he can have sex with a 9 year old. Also we have no way of investigating this “miracle” of a tree wailing. I can assure you PD is out of his mind. There is a well known Hadith that says the prophet said “I have been sent with the Quran and it’s like (meaning the Hadith) so hang onto them with your molars”. Anyone who rejects Hadith like PD does is not even a Muslim, or at least that was what I was taught. I’m not surprised at all Daniel Haqiqatjou and Ali Dawah have blocked him on social media he is not even within the same block of the normative scholastic tradition of Islam.

@@stayingwithit8632 Thanks for the input. That was my impression but I know precious little about Islam, so I always appreciate insight into those more knowledgeable. I never encountered anyone who interpreted things like PD does.

All who read will experience Jesus juice.

Avoid all religions. You will prosper if you trust always in the true spirit of God our Father in heaven. “When you pray, go into a room by yourself, and shut the door. Pray to your Father who is there in the secret place; and your Father who sees what is secret will reward you. In your prayers do not go babbling on like the heathen, who imagine that the more they say the more likely they are to be heard. Do not imitate them. Your Father knows what your needs are before you ask him. This is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, Your kingdom come; your will be done, on earth as in heaven, Give us today our daily bread, And forgive us the wrong we have done, as we have forgiven those who have wronged us. And do not bring us to the test, but save us from the evil one. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if you forgive others the wrongs they have done, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others, then the wrongs you have done will not be forgiven by your Father.” - (The Prophet and Messiah Jesus of Nazareth at Matthew 6: 6-15) - “Pass no judgement, and you will not be judged. For as you judge others, so you will yourselves be judged, and whatever measure you deal out to others will be dealt back to you.” - (at Matthew 7: 1-2) - “Always treat others as you would like them to treat you: that is the Law and the Prophets. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life and only a few find it.” - (Matthew 7: 9-14) - “I am the gate; anyone who comes into the fold through me shall be safe. He shall go in and out and shall find pasturage. The thief comes only to steal, to kill, to destroy; I have come that men may have life, and may have it in all its fullness.” - (John 10: 9-10) - “Beware of false prophets, men who come to you dressed up as sheep while underneath they are savage wolves. You will recognize them by the fruits they bear.” - (Matthew 7: 12-16) - “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” - (Matthew 7: 21) - “I am the resurrection and I am life. If a man has faith in me, even though he dies, he shall come to life; and no one who is alive and has faith shall ever die.” - (John 11: 25-26) - “I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world” - (John 12: 47) - “Whoever then will acknowledge me before men, I will acknowledge him before my Father in heaven; and whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.” - (Matthew 10: 32-34) - “I am the way; I am the truth and I am life; no one comes to the Father except by me. If you knew me you would know my Father too.” - (John 14: 6-7) - “An expert in the law, [a leading religious Pharisee] tested him with this question: ‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’ He answered, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. That is the greatest commandment. It comes first. The second is like it: Love your neighbour as yourself. Everything in the Law and the Prophets hangs on these two commandments.’” - (Matthew 22: 35-40) - “There is no greater love than this, that a man should lay down his life for his friends.” - (John 15: 13) - “Do not call any man on earth ‘father’; for you have one Father and he is in heaven. Nor must you be called ‘teacher’; you have one Teacher, the Messiah.” - (Matthew 23: 9-10) - “Take care that no one misleads you: For many will come claiming my name…” - (Matthew 24: 4) - “Many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many; and as lawlessness spreads, men’s love for one another will grow cold. But the man who holds out to the end will be saved. ” - (Matthew 24: 11-13) - “Teach them to observe all that I have commanded you. And be assured, I am with you always, to the end of time.” - (Matthew 28: 20) - Yours, in true Spirit and in our one given prayer, 2gointruth, on Thursday the 27th of April 2023: - (Matthew 5: 14-16) - Where every minute (of both day and night) can be a new beginning for any one of us. Let it always be you. Pray to God often, as prescribed above, before it is too late.

​@@2gointruth Imagine believing any of this. Cults are so weird.

@@HTGY6YTH67Y Yes, all religions are cults and in your words. "Cults are so weird." Even the cult of atheisim is "so weird."

With regard to all religions: “Do not call any man on earth ‘father’; for you have one Father and he is in heaven. Nor must you be called ‘teacher’; you have one Teacher, the Messiah.” - (The Prophet and Messiah Jesus of Nazareth at Matthew 23: 9-10) - “When you pray, go into a room by yourself, and shut the door. Pray to your Father who is there in the secret place; and your Father who sees what is secret will reward you. In your prayers do not go babbling on like the heathen, who imagine that the more they say the more likely they are to be heard. Do not imitate them. Your Father knows what your needs are before you ask him. This is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, Your kingdom come; your will be done, on earth as in heaven, Give us today our daily bread, And forgive us the wrong we have done, as we have forgiven those who have wronged us. And do not bring us to the test, but save us from the evil one. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if you forgive others the wrongs they have done, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others, then the wrongs you have done will not be forgiven by your Father.” -(The Prophet and Messiah Jesus of Nazareth at Matthew 6: 6-15) - “Pass no judgement, and you will not be judged. For as you judge others, so you will yourselves be judged, and whatever measure you deal out to others will be dealt back to you.” - (at Matthew 7: 1-2) - “Always treat others as you would like them to treat you: that is the Law and the Prophets. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life and only a few find it.” - (Matthew 7: 9-14) - “I am the gate; anyone who comes into the fold through me shall be safe. He shall go in and out and shall find pasturage. The thief comes only to steal, to kill, to destroy; I have come that men may have life, and may have it in all its fullness.” - (John 10: 9-10) - “Beware of false prophets, men who come to you dressed up as sheep while underneath they are savage wolves. You will recognize them by the fruits they bear.” - (Matthew 7: 12-16) - “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” - (Matthew 7: 21) - “I am the resurrection and I am life. If a man has faith in me, even though he dies, he shall come to life; and no one who is alive and has faith shall ever die.” - (John 11: 25-26) - “I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world” - (John 12: 47) - “Whoever then will acknowledge me before men, I will acknowledge him before my Father in heaven; and whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.” - (Matthew 10: 32-34) - “I am the way; I am the truth and I am life; no one comes to the Father except by me. If you knew me you would know my Father too.” - (John 14: 6-7) - “An expert in the law, [a leading religious Pharisee] tested him with this question: ‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’ He answered, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. That is the greatest commandment. It comes first. The second is like it: Love your neighbour as yourself. Everything in the Law and the Prophets hangs on these two commandments.’” - (Matthew 22: 35-40) - “There is no greater love than this, that a man should lay down his life for his friends.” - (John 15: 13) - “Take care that no one misleads you: For many will come claiming my name…” - (Matthew 24: 4) - “Many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many; and as lawlessness spreads, men’s love for one another will grow cold. But the man who holds out to the end will be saved. ” - (Matthew 24: 11-13) - “Teach them to observe all that I have commanded you. And be assured, I am with you always, to the end of time.” - (Matthew 28: 20) - Yours, in true Spirit and in our one given prayer, 2gointruth, on Sunday the 30th of April 2023: - (Matthew 5: 14-16) - Where every minute (of both day and night) can be a new beginning for any one of us. Let it always be you. Pray to God often, as prescribed above, before it is too late.

Nice post. No @mention. Moves from some chance he'll see it to zero. Just sayin.

If the scientific knowledge was laid out in the holy book, why did we have to wait until modern scientists discovered these facts using the scientific method?

They also seem unable to grasp the fact that a scientific miracle is a logical impossibility. It's like saying you can draw a circular triangle.

My favorite line that I used to hear (haven't in years) that it is a scientifically proven miracle, and every single time I asked them to support that, they just recycled the claim. Very much like Christians repeating Hovind over and over.

We built the heaven with might, and We widely extended it. (47) suraha 51 Does this also need an explanation ?

@@sageweeb7868 Well.. yes? I'm not sure what scientific principle you are talking about yet.

You forgot when they say that wife beatings in Islam is done with a small stick. Hahahaha Yeah, they use that " apologetic".

It actually surprises me he does more debates. **thinks** Oh, wait, they're all on Modern Day Dumbsterfires? That would explain why his horseshit would sometimes be effective. They have the worst debates with the worst debaters. The only reason I was tricked into watching this debate was because Matt let himself be tricked to debate this nublet.

He never jerks around. Especially with wankers.

@@brucebaker810 😂

How can your false preacher destroy anyone when he has no clue about life.He still does not understand that stars emit cosmic rays that are INVISIBLE to humans and cause harm to living beings in universe which proves Quran is right and your false preacher has no clue.

Realise that the naivety of the Muslim arguments are the level of Xtian apologetics 20 years ago, then realise that the current theists are just as dishonest but are now more aware of the pitfalls of making certain claims and have simply became more dishonest and deceitful to avoid scrutiny and justify their ridiculous beliefs.

I think MH would be a good choice and a better opponent for Matt.

How do you know there havent been another messanger sent and killed to die for our sins and whatever else....

There was once an Xtian caller who called into the AX straight after a Muslim, he started his call by observing how nonsensical the Muslim's apologetics were... After a few questions he started to stumble on his answers and as he realised why he actually admitted: *"Oh boy, I sound exactly like that Muslim fellow, don't I".* I like to think that maybe this happens a lot to theists who have a similar epiphany while watching these debates.

@@Yungrexy I would love to see that.

Matt's a psychopath. He doesn't love you or anyone.

@tandme2342 alright, I will. Thanks for the advice

All of the Abrahamic faiths are authoritarian and claim superiority over each other (and everybody else). Muslim apologists maybe the most naive but they are not the worst of the main 3 in my experience. This plays out geopolitically too... How many Muslim nations are currently occupying, annexing or bombing a foreign nation? How many Muslim nations have military bases and nuclear warheads placed all around the world? Welcome to the axis of evil.

If you reserve the right to arbitrarily decide what is and what isn't a message from god, then it is perfectly easy to predict the future with regard to whether there will be more messages. Duh. Rancid theists.

@@landsgevaer Be nice, they are your fellow humans.

I am lucky not to know anybody intimately (anymore) who actually identifies as a proper theist. Some theremustbesomethingists, but that is about it. I respect the right to believe, but not necessarily the belief. (I'm also not a native English speaker, so maybe "rancid" is a bit strong, but I do subscribe to Hitchens' book title "religion poisons everything".)

@@landsgevaer I understand what you mean, sorry if misunderstood it earlier. Try to use constructive ways to reach to them. Have a nice day!

@@TheseNuts2 Please do not apologize. I'm not sure I am on the "constructive" side much anymore. Yes, where it concerns the moderate agnostic wishful-thinking pseudodeists that I meet in my life, but a big no-no when it comes to rigorous apologetic convinced theists like this video is exposing; some of their ideas are just batshit crazy objectively. Like, humans are not human, wtf!?

It was! Modern Day Debates really need to step up their vetting process or at least moderate them properly. They seem to be scraping the barrel at this stage and will platform an idiot like Perfect Dawah just to keep the clicks going and the Ad cash coming in.

It is, but nothing extra strength certified face palm protection can't handle!

Sounds great , i believe you.

That's pretty convincing Okay, I'm in. Please let me know which religion I'm now in. Thx.

You mean being worse at lying is hopelessly behind the times? Anyway if the lies work, does it matter?

​@@skagenpige88 its not necessarily working, cause no one is really converting, they're being born into it and occasionally deconverting ironically to Christianity

Based on a true story though! Just like Star Wars is. There once was this person who grew up to do great things. I mean, I learned how to make coffee. I think that's pretty great :p I think the franchise might have been based on my life story! No one said it has to be recognizable.

No, he's just dishonest.

@@shawn092182 agreed. He hides behind ignorance to not be wrong. It’s wholly dishonest.

*did not have

@@shawn092182 I think he's a good man, but with a terrible religion. So he's trying to interpret its text in a way that fit his good morality. But it's sooo incompatible that his defense get ridicuoulous.

​​@@locococo7362 I feel this is accurate BUT I don't feel Islam is any worse than any western faiths. I live my life permanently with C‐PTSD from religious abuses. The xian‐sort. Anyhow yeah ‐ cognitive dissonance is part of indoctrination when ones fed with religious silliness from their very birth. Its so sad. Plus? Telling kids they're being watched by someone who won't help them but who will sentence then to hell is outright cruel.❤💔☮ Yeah ‐ most people have evolved to be good ‐ but religious identity causes good people to do bad stuff sometimes...

Yeah that channel is definitely not "the line"

LOL! No they won't. Fallacies are and always will be accepted in debates. NoStampCollector did a great animation years ago about a debate where debunked fallacies weren't allowed and there simple wasn't a debate after all the rules were established. I think that's very realistic when it comes to debates, especially about theism. And despite that animation and decades of videos and books about why all the fallacies are unreliable as a justification to accept anything at all, instead of learning to be honest and sincere, people are still learning more effective ways to hide the fallacies and manipulate people, because it works. Most people aren't equipped to recognize fallacies and they don't care that people use them to excuse things either. People only object to conclusions they don't like and enable the rationalizations to get there because they use them too and don't want to be criticized on it. This also means that they don't have any arguments for why things should be different or why we should or shouldn't do something. You probably do it too. I mean, you didn't bother to explain why you would lose a debate when you say you don't think something is possible and there are a gazillion reasons to say that and be correct.